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I grew up hearing about the violence of the sixties. Like any little kid, you digest what the elder ones say around you. When I became a teenager, these things I digested didn’t make sense to me. I entered UG and started to immerse myself in different perspectives on my country’s history. I rejected many of the things I heard around my home when I was a little boy.


Here are three examples that were not only illogical, but extremely weird.

I was told that the ‘Son Chapman’ boat that blew up and killed over forty African Guyanese was the work of the PNC cadres who were taking bombs to Mackenzie. My research informed me that the ‘Son Chapman’ was a manifestation of tit-for-tat between the Indian PPP and the African PNC.Prior to the destruction of the ‘Son Chapman’, Indians were badly beaten in the riots at Mackenzie. Indian women were raped, men killed and homes destroyed. It seems the bombing of the ‘Son Chapman’ was a revenge act.


Secondly, I was indoctrinated to believe that the arson that killed Arthur Abraham – the Permanent Secretary of Premier Cheddi Jagan – and seven of his nine children, was the work of The United Force, that was making bombs at Abraham’s home. My research led me to think that Abraham was targeted for alleged secrets he passed on to The United Force, of which his daughter was a big leader.


Finally, the editor, Peter Taylor, of a popular newspaper, the Argosy, that was a thorn in the side of Premier Jagan, was almost assassinated at his home. I grew up hearing that was done to blame the PPP Government. It didn’t make sense for any opposition party to kill a nationally effective anti-government editor that was one of their main vehicles. I eventually got to know who were the two men sent to kill Taylor, and who was the female in the PPP leadership that sent them. One of the two men was a close relative of mine.


All three explanations offered to me when I was growing up were nonsense. In the sixties, the PPP leaders were committing acts of violence against PNC targets, the PNC leaders were committing acts of violence against government personnel and PPP cadres. There was no complex situation to tax your brain. It was as simple as that. Maybe if I had remained a nonentity in Wortmanville without any education at all (I left school at the primary level and never saw a high school door) I still would have believed that indoctrination of an all-embracing, angelic PPP.


I got to know more about the PPP as I continued at UG and became active with the WPA, and as I got to know Dr. Jagan, Mrs. Jagan and other PPP leaders. I never thought in my years from thereon (as a UG student onwards) that the PPP as a party and its leaders were a respectable, principled, humane outfit. I lived to see the PPP hold power in Guyana for twenty-three years, and it was a frightening moment in my life. I almost lost my life twice, was hunted out of my UG job, and my wife was victimized.


The victimization of my wife at her GO-Invest job (the new APNU+AFC administration should have reinstated her, but more on that later) is an evil I will never forget or forgive the PPP for. I saw the violent nature of the PPP leaders in those twenty-three years, and I knew those myths about it being innocent victims of PNC’s violence were appalling, sickening fictions.
The PPP is a violent party. It cannot reform and will not reform. It is in my opinion, an irredeemable animal.


The treatment the President received two weeks ago when he addressed Parliament came as no surprise to me. The violent action that greeted the police as they moved to escort Juan Edghill out of the House did not surprise me. The PPP was violent when it was in power; it will remain violent even now that it is out of power. I sincerely believe that the PPP will oppose the government through acts of violence. It will happen. It happened throughout the reign of Forbes Burnham when sugar estates were constantly torched.


What Edghill did, and what the PPP Parliamentarians did was merely acting out the nature of the beast. I saw video clips with PPP parliamentarians hitting policemen. If the State does not confront those violent acts and charge those two parliamentarians, then worse is yet to come.

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Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

FM

The PNC has always been violent, Their many acts against the PPP, WPA and all who oppose them knows no limits. It is well documented that in and out of Power the PNC has been violent all along. The use of the House of Israel thugs, GDf. GPF and many other arms of the state. So for Freddie to come and say that the PPP is violent is to be totally blind because of his hatred for the PPP. I wonder what kind of academic is Freddie Kissoon. Freddie is always forgetting what the Army did to him at Camp Ayanganna but have selected memory.

R
Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

FM

I have tried to view Freddie as neutral, but his mouth was in his ass when PNC was creating havoc!

Django, I assume the headline is your opinion.

If it is, then you had your mouth up your ass as well when PNC was carrying out mo fiah slo fiah!

FM
RiffRaff posted:

I have tried to view Freddie as neutral, but his mouth was in his ass when PNC was creating havoc!

Django, I assume the headline is your opinion.

If it is, then you had your mouth up your ass as well when PNC was carrying out mo fiah slo fiah!

Violent when in power, still violent when out of power


Django
Dave posted:
Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

Dave,

the headline is not mine.

Regarding your questions.

(1) No...I was a kid when the PPP was first in Gov't.

(2) Migrated in 1996.During the four years i have not witnessed any violence.

While the PPP in opposition,it's a known fact Sugar Cane Fields was set alight illegally.

(3) Personally..No.

I have witnessed violence on the WCD,carried out by PNC henchmen against Political Parties.

 

 

Django
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RiffRaff posted:

what attack?

All I saying is that I don't remember you posting anti PNC stuff when they were creating havov

During the period when PNC was in opposition,i was not posting a lot on GNI.

I have acquired a business and my focus was there.

Django
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Freddie needs to do some more researching. No reasonable person would think of the PPP when considering party violence in Guyana. Maybe that feces is still affecting his ability to think properly.

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

Dave,

the headline is not mine.

Regarding your questions.

(1) No...I was a kid when the PPP was first in Gov't.

(2) Migrated in 1996.During the four years i have not witnessed any violence.

While the PPP in opposition,it's a known fact Sugar Cane Fields was set alight illegally.

(3) Personally..No.

I have witnessed violence on the WCD,carried out by PNC henchmen against Political Parties.

 

 

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

FM

Freddie is a sick man.  He concocts crap to throw at the PPP. It's no wonder some real crap boomeranged directly into his face.  Keep lying. Your lies will only fool a few stupid people. We have a lot of stupid Indians who believe fictitious things.  That's one of the problems Indians have as a whole. We need to educate ourselves so that we are not fooled and misled by people who don't have our interests at heart. We must search for the real truth and one way of aiding that is to first educate ourselves.  We don't need pseudo-academics like Freddie Kissoon to feed our minds with filth that corrupt our minds. We need more people to write and express their opinions on current affairs. For too long most of columnists have been political hacks whose minds have been tainted with hate, racism, and backwardness. 

 

Billy Ram Balgobin
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yuji22 posted:

Freddie likes to bark from under his desk.

Good morning Django, what are you up to again this morning ? You prappa like to dig up trouble or you chul chul ? Which one ?

Do you blame him? He is afraid he might get a booster dose.

FM

Django gets a high out of posting the most anti-PPP articles on this forum with the sole objective of helping the insecure PNC. He relishes every second of daubing dirt at the party with political viewpoints that bashes the party no matter how absurd. A fair-minded Guyanese would not give credence to any viewpoints that is riddled with malice and lies about any individual or political party, but Django job requires him to do so. 

How does an Indian fit in with the PNC?  If you are keen at observing Indians who support the PNC you cannot help but observe a trend among them - the inculcate in themselves all the racist charges you can ever imagined coming out of Congress Place and thrown at the PPP. They devoted themselves to memorizing loads of old and new propaganda that justifies fraud, economic disaster, and vile racism against other groups. What they cannot deny they are trained to justify with lies emanating from Congress Place. Django is at the dept of this vileness and he, like Freddie, is spewing out dirt like an active volcano spewing out lava.

Billy Ram Balgobin
RiffRaff posted:

I have tried to view Freddie as neutral, but his mouth was in his ass when PNC was creating havoc!

Django, I assume the headline is your opinion.

If it is, then you had your mouth up your ass as well when PNC was carrying out mo fiah slo fiah!

Well said, I couldn't have said it better.

K

"In the sixties, the PPP leaders were committing acts of violence against PNC targets, the PNC leaders were committing acts of violence against government personnel and PPP cadres. There was no complex situation to tax your brain. It was as simple as that."

On point Freddie.

Mars
skeldon_man posted:

Freddie thinks he has all the answers to Guyana's race problems. I wonder why he is afraid to run for public office and resolve this curse.

Freddie is another liar, he studied in Canada and never wrote and defended his paper, but returned to Guyana and say he has a PhD. He hated the PPP because they investigated his qualifications and found he lied. he was fired from UG.

K
Mars posted:

"In the sixties, the PPP leaders were committing acts of violence against PNC targets, the PNC leaders were committing acts of violence against government personnel and PPP cadres. There was no complex situation to tax your brain. It was as simple as that."

On point Freddie.

The PNC negroes were more violent.

FM
yuji22 posted:

Freddie likes to bark from under his desk.

Good morning Django, what are you up to again this morning ? You prappa like to dig up trouble or you chul chul ? Which one ?

Good Morning bhai,

Not starting any trouble,i posted FK article so that posters can make their comments.Kaiteur News is a big seller,the news is spread far and wide.We cant give him a free ride.

Our rebuttal to untruths or truths will be noted.

Django
Mars posted:

"In the sixties, the PPP leaders were committing acts of violence against PNC targets, the PNC leaders were committing acts of violence against government personnel and PPP cadres. There was no complex situation to tax your brain. It was as simple as that."

On point Freddie.

Don’t speak through your rear .. provide facts to support your arguments 

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Mars posted:

"In the sixties, the PPP leaders were committing acts of violence against PNC targets, the PNC leaders were committing acts of violence against government personnel and PPP cadres. There was no complex situation to tax your brain. It was as simple as that."

On point Freddie.

The PNC negroes were more violent.

Negro is a decent word to describe the holligans 

FM
Django posted:

 


Secondly, I was indoctrinated to believe that the arson that killed Arthur Abraham – the Permanent Secretary of Premier Cheddi Jagan – and seven of his nine children, was the work of The United Force, that was making bombs at Abraham’s home. My research led me to think that Abraham was targeted for alleged secrets he passed on to The United Force, of which his daughter was a big leader.

 

In addition, Abraham's daughter Anne, who was a UF activist, was charged for sedition by the PPP government after she disclosed payments that were being sent to the PPP by the Soviets. She was working at Barclay's Bank and discovered money being sent to the PPP by the Russians. Their family paid a heavy price for defying the PPP.

Mars
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Dave posted:
Mars posted:

"In the sixties, the PPP leaders were committing acts of violence against PNC targets, the PNC leaders were committing acts of violence against government personnel and PPP cadres. There was no complex situation to tax your brain. It was as simple as that."

On point Freddie.

Don’t speak through your rear .. provide facts to support your arguments 

Dummy, are you denying that there was violence on both sides during the Sixties?

Mars

Billy and Skelly.

I don't get high or boost posting articles on GNI,check all the articles i have posted today,you will notice they aren't one sided.

As for the PPP i don't hate the party,i don't like the direction the party is heading under current leadership.The same goes for the PNC.I had some confidence Granger will bring about change and unify the nation.The current corruption and utterances by one of the Minister have made my hand fall.

I have voted twice in Guyana and the votes were for the PPP and GAWU to represent the Sugar workers.

For that matter i don't hate any ethnicity,i get along well with everyone.I see each of us as humans.I always lend a helping hand when ever i see some one needs help..

Django
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This is a lot of crock from Freddie...yes there was violence on both sides.

But if the PPP were a violent party, they would not have let the Kabaka rule for 28 years...especially it being a Marxist Revolutionary party that wages revolution to remove a government and being admirers of Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra. PPP leaders are *****cats when it comes to comparing violence on both sides....incidentally Indians seem to be more violent when they deal with other Indians, not Africans...

Burnham was a violent man but he knew how to add finess to it so he did not come off as a traditional dictator...remember Rodney, Teekah and the Rabbi.

V
VishMahabir posted:

This is a lot of crock from Freddie...yes there was violence on both sides.

But if the PPP were a violent party, they would not have let the Kabaka rule for 28 years...especially it being a Marxist Revolutionary party that wages revolution to remove a government and being admirers of Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra. PPP leaders are *****cats when it comes to comparing violence on both sides....incidentally Indians seem to be more violent when they deal with other Indians, not Africans...

Burnham was a violent man but he knew how to add finess to it so he did not come off as a traditional dictator...remember Rodney, Teekah and the Rabbi.

Vish,

Don't think there were no East Indian underground groups that had intentions to over throw Burnham.There were a few.Burnham was a smart fella he had undercover Secret Police Group one of my friends brother an East Indian was affiliated.

I was not easy to overthrow Burnham,one of the reasons he choose the Chief of Staff.

Django
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How can you people say the PPP are not violent and yet relish the thought of one of theirs tossing faeces on another person?

The PPP apologists just cannot accept the fact the PPP were just as violent as the PNC. Freddie has spoken out against everyone at one time or the other but when he does speak against the PPP, the PPPites get annoyed because as we know, the truth hurts.

cain
ksazma posted:

Freddie needs to do some more researching. No reasonable person would think of the PPP when considering party violence in Guyana. Maybe that feces is still affecting his ability to think properly.

DEm was right to throw SHIT of that IDIOT. Imagine this ASS was teaching at UG!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
cain posted:

How can you people say the PPP are not violent and yet relish the thought of one of theirs tossing faeces on another person?

The PPP apologists just cannot accept the fact the PPP were just as violent as the PNC. Freddie has spoken out against everyone at one time or the other but when he does speak against the PPP, the PPPites get annoyed because as we know, the truth hurts.

Freddy smokes erbs and who smoke erbs speaks garbage .. they are Dotish and Pagli 

FM
Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This is a lot of crock from Freddie...yes there was violence on both sides.

But if the PPP were a violent party, they would not have let the Kabaka rule for 28 years...especially it being a Marxist Revolutionary party that wages revolution to remove a government and being admirers of Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra. PPP leaders are *****cats when it comes to comparing violence on both sides....incidentally Indians seem to be more violent when they deal with other Indians, not Africans...

Burnham was a violent man but he knew how to add finess to it so he did not come off as a traditional dictator...remember Rodney, Teekah and the Rabbi.

Vish,

Don't think there were no East Indian underground groups that had intentions to over throw Burnham.There were a few.Burnham was a smart fella he had undercover Secret Police Group one of my friends brother an East Indian was affiliated.

I was not easy to overthrow Burnham,one of the reasons he choose the Chief of Staff.

In every country has a group that wants to over throw a elected government . 

The BIG question you running from is ..

where is the evidence that PPP was a violent party .

FM

Anyone need any more evidence. PNC murdered anyone who dare to stand up to election rigging:

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Granger was an integral part of Burnham's Rigging Machinery. He was a part of the Military when these Brave Berbicians were murdered.

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Django posted:

Billy and Skelly.

I don't get high or boost posting articles on GNI,check all the articles i have posted today,you will notice they aren't one sided.

As for the PPP i don't hate the party,i don't like the direction the party is heading under current leadership.The same goes for the PNC.I had some confidence Granger will bring about change and unify the nation.The current corruption and utterances by one of the Minister have made my hand fall.

I have voted twice in Guyana and the votes were for the PPP and GAWU to represent the Sugar workers.

For that matter i don't hate any ethnicity,i get along well with everyone.I see each of us as humans.I always lend a helping hand when ever i see some one needs help..

After three years Granger fail to unite the nation , In fact he drive wedges between his party and AFC by ignoring the AFC recommendation for a gecom Rep . 

He is firing Indians and hiring retire Blackman . Wouldn’t you agree to this .

Good to know you vote PPP , you na spoil the ballot paper by mistake

FM
Dave posted:

The BIG question you running from is ..

where is the evidence that PPP was a violent party .

Dave,

Don't know how old are you,from the inception of struggles East Indians are not saints.

May i ask what actions are deemed violent..

Django
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Django posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This is a lot of crock from Freddie...yes there was violence on both sides.

But if the PPP were a violent party, they would not have let the Kabaka rule for 28 years...especially it being a Marxist Revolutionary party that wages revolution to remove a government and being admirers of Fidel Castro and Che Guevarra. PPP leaders are *****cats when it comes to comparing violence on both sides....incidentally Indians seem to be more violent when they deal with other Indians, not Africans...

Burnham was a violent man but he knew how to add finess to it so he did not come off as a traditional dictator...remember Rodney, Teekah and the Rabbi.

Vish,

Don't think there were no East Indian underground groups that had intentions to over throw Burnham.There were a few.Burnham was a smart fella he had undercover Secret Police Group one of my friends brother an East Indian was affiliated.

I was not easy to overthrow Burnham,one of the reasons he choose the Chief of Staff.

Django,

You have any info on these people of group? I have never read about any of them...thanks

V
cain posted:

How can you people say the PPP are not violent and yet relish the thought of one of theirs tossing faeces on another person?

The PPP apologists just cannot accept the fact the PPP were just as violent as the PNC. Freddie has spoken out against everyone at one time or the other but when he does speak against the PPP, the PPPites get annoyed because as we know, the truth hurts.

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney, not the throwing of miasma on our boy Frederick. ..ones that the top leaders are aware of.

Not sure if Freddie was seen as someone who the top leaders of the PPP targeted...but I could be wrong.

 

V
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Thanks for reminding us, Shaw was also murdered by the PNC Para Military gang. 

FM
VishMahabir posted:
 

Django,

You have any info on these people of group? I have never read about any of them...thanks

They were not in the public,that's is secret bhai,one was from WCD.Most of the fellas are seniors,some probably passed away.

Django
yuji22 posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Thanks for reminding us, Shaw was also murdered by the PNC Para Military gang. 

Yugi,

there is some ambiguity about Sawh demise,me thinks Granger mentioned about an inquiry.

Django

On the ESsequibi coast, there was no violence as experienced in other parts of Guyana. However. I think that both groups were involved in violence. The PNC 's was organized as was evident by the report on the Wismar rapes and killing, the x13 plan. I think that the ppp's were reprisals at a local level.

it makes no sense to me that if the British or Burnham had evidence of violence organized by the PPP that they would not have used it against the PPP to destroy them. instead of the idle speculation touted by many with no evidence. Look how the PNC shut down the COI of the assassination of Rodney.

I think that the leadership of the POP has not been very effective in responding to the violence organized or orchestrated by the PNC. However, we need to understand that the security forces were predominantly PNC members who were at times unwilling to be vigorous in their prevention and investigation of things and during the pnc dictatorship, were instruments of oppression and violence against those who struggled for freedom. I recall the failure of the police in Wismar to respond, the regent street violence, the Agricola shooting, the Buxton freedom fighters, Felix and Williams conversation caught on phone.

Also was there lots of support from members and supporters of the ppp for more effective response?Leaders can lead only where supporters want to go. Indo not think that many supporters and some leaders of the PPP had the intestinal fortitude for anything but peaceful struggle.

Z
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

Mars
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Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Thanks for reminding us, Shaw was also murdered by the PNC Para Military gang. 

Yugi,

there is some ambiguity about Sawh demise,me thinks Granger mentioned about an inquiry.

Let him start one na. His party will be implicated twice. First for murdering Rodney and now this.

FM
Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

Another unproven PNC Nancy story:

Unknown-1

Those numbers are like: "Burnham does it again by winning with BIG numbers"

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yuji22 posted:
Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

Another unproven PNC Nancy story:

Those numbers are like: "Burnham does it again by winning with BIG numbers"

Are you denying the existence of the PPP Phantom Squad? 

At one time, you clowns praised RK, Gajraj and the Phantoms as heroes and now you're trying to deny them? Which one is it?

Mars
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Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

FM
RiffRaff posted:
Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Mars

there is no proof that a phantom squad killed 400 people...this was made up by that organization (ACDA or something like that) to try and say blacks were being murdered in Guyana...when we all know what was going on on the East Coast

 

FM
RiffRaff posted:
 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

U.S. calls on Guyana to investigate "death squads"

July 19, 2010

GEORGETOWN (Reuters) - The United States on Monday called for Guyana to investigate reports that members of the security forces, sometimes employing criminals, murdered hundreds of people during the last 17 years.

In November, opposition political parties released a file listing 449 alleged extrajudicial killings in the English-speaking South American country between 1993 and 2009, many blamed on an elite police unit called the “Black Clothes” squad.

read more


 

Riff,

what is you estimate ?

Django
RiffRaff posted:

there is no proof that a phantom squad killed 400 people...this was made up by that organization (ACDA or something like that) to try and say blacks were being murdered in Guyana...when we all know what was going on on the East Coast

 

It's not difficult to compile names of people being executed as every murder is broadcast in the news media. It's a fact that many blacks and people of other races were executed and their murders were never solved. At the same time, there was a death squad sponsored by the PPP carrying out extrajudicial murders. 

Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Mars

bullspit...

lots of these suckers were robbing and killing people...they deserved what they got...

they should have investigated all the victims of some of these murderers, but some people life don't mean squat to some of you

US investigate my ass....that organization figured they would just put forward a report without all the facts

FM

I am not saying Phamtom squad did not exist, most of the people who got killed were doing killings of their own...they were not boy scouts

FM
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RiffRaff posted:

bullspit...

lots of these suckers were robbing and killing people...they deserved what they got...

they should have investigated all the victims of some of these murderers, but some people life don't mean squat to some of you

US investigate my ass....that organization figured they would just put forward a report without all the facts

So if you rob someone, you should be executed by a Government sponsored hit squad? That makes a lot of sense. 

How do we know that the men who were executed robbed or killed anyone? We should just take your word or the PPP's word for it and bump them off?

Man, y'all would take us back to caveman days if given the chance.

Mars
RiffRaff posted:

I am not saying Phamtom squad did not exist, most of the people who got killed were doing killings of their own...they were not boy scouts

What ever happened to the rule of law where one is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law? Y'all prefer cowboy justice!!!

Mars
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RiffRaff posted:

Hey, all the killing and robbing stopped after they were wiped out...obviously they must have been responsible

The killing stopped? I must have missed it. So why do I see people here claiming that crime is out of control. 

So how do you know that 300 men were not innocently killed and 100 were actually guilty and deserved what they got?

Mars
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:
Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

V
VishMahabir posted:
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:
Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

Someone here some time ago  brought up the elimination of Indos from Wismar...anyone got the source for this or is it fake news?

Just asking

V
VishMahabir posted:
 

Someone here some time ago  brought up the elimination of Indos from Wismar...anyone got the source for this or is it fake news?

Just asking

Young man,the info is on GNI.

check here

Django
VishMahabir posted:
Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

There is a dossier that was compiled in Guyana. I'm not sure who's responsible for the dossier.

Mars
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:

there is no proof that a phantom squad killed 400 people...this was made up by that organization (ACDA or something like that) to try and say blacks were being murdered in Guyana...when we all know what was going on on the East Coast

 

It's not difficult to compile names of people being executed as every murder is broadcast in the news media. It's a fact that many blacks and people of other races were executed and their murders were never solved. At the same time, there was a death squad sponsored by the PPP carrying out extrajudicial murders. 

Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Let me put it you in simple terms, the army and police was and is controlled by the Blacks/ PNC operatives, so it was justifiable for the PPP government at the time had the Phantom Squad. Many of the crimes were done by Police and Military if not directly, they loaned their weapons to the criminals to get a piece of the pie. Although in opposition, the PNC controlled the Police and Military, they called the" shots".

K
Mars posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

What is the source you referring to??? Thanks

There is a dossier that was compiled in Guyana. I'm not sure who's responsible for the dossier.

There was a dossier, half of the names on it were criminals...the other half were victims of most of these criminals, some were victims of RK and his squad

I don't disagree that this was not the way to have justice...but things were way outta hand

FM
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:
Mars posted:
cain posted:
VishMahabir posted:

Cain,

I think they referring to political killings....like Teekah and Rodney,

 

..they must have forgotten Sawh and other persons during BJ's time.

Don't forget the PPP Phantom Squad which was responsible for an estimated 400 extrajudicial murders.

Sawh met his demise because he wanted to stop the purchase of Kaow Island by Roger Khan. 

this is nonsense...I aint no PPP defender, but this 400 killing by phantom squad is made up story

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

FM
Dave posted:
Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Mars
Mars posted:
Dave posted:
Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Shut the fk up . You knows nothing but spreading blacks propaganda .

you is a skt hole .

FM
Dave posted:
Mars posted:
Dave posted:
Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Shut the fk up . You knows nothing but spreading blacks propaganda .

you is a skt hole .

For you info , the PPP did not create the phampton squad, it was finance by business owners to wipe the criminals out , unfortunately 95% were  blacks .

your kind mentally shackles their foot and don’t want to work for a living . What you should do now is help them in Guyana , the sufferment and starvation blacks are experiencing  now in Guyana is heart breaking to see humans suffer this much . Do something to help them . 

FM
Dave posted:
Dave posted:
Mars posted:
Dave posted:
Mars posted:

Dude, there is documented evidence of an estimated 400 execution style murders in the early 2000's. Are you saying that the Phantom Squad never existed or the numbers are inflated?

Document by African association . You know crap. I live and experience this period in Guyana and can relate to this . You know bull shit .. shut the fk up . You are are making my blood boil with your fake news .

Dumbass, so only the PPP can document something to your satisfaction? You think only PPP propaganda matters. Maybe to dumbasses like you who are incapable of comprehending anything else.

Shut the fk up . You knows nothing but spreading blacks propaganda .

you is a skt hole .

For you info , the PPP did not create the phampton squad, it was finance by business owners to wipe the criminals out , unfortunately 95% were  blacks .

your kind mentally shackles their foot and don’t want to work for a living . What you should do now is help them in Guyana , the sufferment and starvation blacks are experiencing  now in Guyana is heart breaking to see humans suffer this much . Do something to help them . 

The Phantom Squad was facilitated by the PPP from providing weapons, hit men from the military, hi tech phone tapping device and the freedom to operate above the law without any fear of prosecution. 

Do you know anything of my kind? Stupid idiot! You can barely write above the level of a ten year old.

Mars
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Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

Dave,

the headline is not mine.

Regarding your questions.

(1) No...I was a kid when the PPP was first in Gov't.

(2) Migrated in 1996.During the four years i have not witnessed any violence.

While the PPP in opposition,it's a known fact Sugar Cane Fields was set alight illegally.

(3) Personally..No.

I have witnessed violence on the WCD,carried out by PNC henchmen against Political Parties.

 

 

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

Mars
Mars posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Dave posted:

Djanjo , regarding your headline, please answer the following questions .

1.Have you suffer or experience violence under  the PPP government .

2. If you left guyana before PPP get into government , have you experience or witness violence while PPP was in the opposition .

3. Have you experience violence living under the PNC government .

Waiting on Djanjo ?? 

Dave,

the headline is not mine.

Regarding your questions.

(1) No...I was a kid when the PPP was first in Gov't.

(2) Migrated in 1996.During the four years i have not witnessed any violence.

While the PPP in opposition,it's a known fact Sugar Cane Fields was set alight illegally.

(3) Personally..No.

I have witnessed violence on the WCD,carried out by PNC henchmen against Political Parties.

 

 

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

FM
Dave posted:
Mars posted:
Dave posted:

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

That's the most you morons can come here and do. Curse when you cannot mount an argument that makes any sense. Working in the factory is an honest living. I don't begrudge anyone has to use their hands because of their limited education. Maybe you should invest in some ESL classes in your spare time.

You know nothing of my type and if you were of my type maybe you wouldn't be so stupid and ugly.

Mars
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All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

FM

Those scumbag murderous criminals were raiding Eve Leary Police Headquarters. What within law approach was going to work. Mueller issue a warrant for Manafort to turn himself in. Think the Guyana Police Force could have done the same? Would those murderous criminals who were praised by the PNC and eventually given stately funeral by the PNC have peacefully turn themselves in to the police? Yet the moaning and groaning over them.

FM
ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Mars

The Phantom Squad served a good job to get rid of die hard criminals which the police refused to take action. The country became safer businesses grew and lots of development. 

K
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Kaz do you know for fact all of those who were killed were criminals? To what we have heard that has been going around, the small time crooks were being eradicated in order for the big guys do their work in peace. Now if the leader of a country cannot get the police force nor armed forces to work for them whose fault is it? Did the PPP ever try to bring these outfits up to standard and did they ever try to have a good balance of the various races or did they just figure it's a black thing?

The PPP then resorted to hiring killers to work for them. Do not forget where the leader of such a group is now sitting.

cain
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kp posted:

The Phantom Squad served a good job to get rid of die hard criminals which the police refused to rake action. The country became safer businesses grew and lots of development. 

I find it difficult to believe that you people would sanction state sponsored murder. I bet if it was being done by Granger, you'd be up in arms. How do you know that those people executed were die hard criminals? How did the country become any safer? There was still out of control crime when the PPP left in 2015.

Mars
Mars posted:
Dave posted:
Mars posted:
Dave posted:

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

That's the most you morons can come here and do. Curse when you cannot mount an argument that makes any sense. Working in the factory is an honest living. I don't begrudge anyone has to use their hands because of their limited education. Maybe you should invest in some ESL classes in your spare time.

You know nothing of my type and if you were of my type maybe you wouldn't be so stupid and ugly.

Don't need schooling from a dummy. Go headucate yourself about the facts how the 400 plus was kill ... take your ead out your ase .

FM
Dave posted:
Mars posted:
Dave posted:
Mars posted:
Dave posted:

Thank for your response . However , being the messenger of a man who’s creditability is in question, it is expect you will share your views after posting his article  unless you are in agreement  with him which I believe .

Look at this moron. What the hell is creditability? The word is whose. "It is expect". LOL.

Did you ever go to high school or you started cutting cane straight out of primary school?

I earn a honest living unlike your type.

so shut the fk up skt hole

That's the most you morons can come here and do. Curse when you cannot mount an argument that makes any sense. Working in the factory is an honest living. I don't begrudge anyone has to use their hands because of their limited education. Maybe you should invest in some ESL classes in your spare time.

You know nothing of my type and if you were of my type maybe you wouldn't be so stupid and ugly.

Don't need schooling from a dummy. Go headucate yourself about the facts how the 400 plus was kill ... take your ead out your ase .

Of course you don't need schooling from a dummy. That would be one dummy trying to teach another. You need to go back to a proper school and get a bit of education beyond your primary school level.

Mars
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

FM
cain posted:

Kaz do you know for fact all of those who were killed were criminals? To what we have heard that has been going around, the small time crooks were being eradicated in order for the big guys do their work in peace. Now if the leader of a country cannot get the police force nor armed forces to work for them whose fault is it? Did the PPP ever try to bring these outfits up to standard and did they ever try to have a good balance of the various races or did they just figure it's a black thing?

The PPP then resorted to hiring killers to work for them. Do not forget where the leader of such a group is now sitting.

Cainsta, I don't know if they were all part of the murderous criminal gang but I remember that those criminals were targeted and eliminated. I remember reading abut the shootout in Prashad Nagar that took the live of that scumbag who was given a stately funeral by the PNC dudes. I have no problems with the measures that were taken to put that scumbag and his compadres some six feet below ground.

Regarding the GPF, even when we lived in Guyana, the police officers were always rice eaters. They didn't care about fighting the real criminals. They just use their positions to victimize regular citizens. Nothing changed even though the government changed from the PNC to the PPP to the joke that is in government now. The ranks of the police force has always had a criminal and bullying nature to them. They were useless against the murderous criminals who were terrorizing the country before they were deep sixed. I don't care to lose sleep over them. 

FM
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

Running a government is a tough undertaking and if you're not up to the task, you need to be replaced. Did you see Obama or Trump hire death squads to bring crime under control in Chicago? The murder rate there is a lot worse than it ever was in Guyana but there has to be the rule of law or else the society will erode into anarchy. How do you know that the people being executed were murderous criminals? Were they put on trial through the designated justice system? Was execution the punishment for a crime they might have committed? You people seem to care about sticking to constitutional requirements by Granger but turn a blind eye when the PPP threw the constitution out of the window. A death squad to execute your own citizens without a trial is never necessary. There are other means of curbing crime within the nation. For instance, hiring and training more police officers like the current government is doing. Collaborating with the US DEA and Scotland Yard and learning advanced crime fighting techniques like the current government is doing. Crime is being reduced slowly but surely without resorting to outsourcing crime fighting to a hit squad.

Mars
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cain posted:

Kaz do you know for fact all of those who were killed were criminals? To what we have heard that has been going around, the small time crooks were being eradicated in order for the big guys do their work in peace. Now if the leader of a country cannot get the police force nor armed forces to work for them whose fault is it? Did the PPP ever try to bring these outfits up to standard and did they ever try to have a good balance of the various races or did they just figure it's a black thing?

The PPP then resorted to hiring killers to work for them. Do not forget where the leader of such a group is now sitting.

Crime was out of control because the army and police were directed by PNC elements to destabilize the country and bring it down to its knees . Similarly to what took place at parliament building yesterday. The speaker directing the police who to arrest where his jurisdiction is only within the house.

In the ppp Government ,police radios were intercept and redirecting the police to other locations where crimes were not committed . Police station were locked up from the gate at 6 PM , in some cases all day the gates were locked.

RK had his own empire and as the situation gets out of hand, his squad was hire to wipe out the criminals that was harbouring by buxtonians. Nightly visit was done by known PNC top brass. 

The squad then was going after drug lords and paid to kill .

Reyaz Khan ( glen lall  brother) was fighting to take control of the drugs trade in Guyana 

Most of the dangerous criminals got wipe out after kidnaping the wrong man ( Bramanan from Keisher ) you don’t mess with him . The Colombians along with a sislian was brought in to rescue Brama and they did. 

Brama , RK and Reyaz sends their troop in to wipe out all tom dick and harry ... cause their business was suffering ... that’s when blacks start jumping up ... them a kill Abe 

When Andre Douglas gives his interview to  CNS tv with a ak47 at his side in Buxton , guess what... I was there and heard all the police messages on the criminals radio , as we were about to drive out Nigel, Basil Williams were coming in. 

FM
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

You still braying.

FM
 to Dave posted:
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

You still braying.

Actually calling you a jackass is an insult to those dumb animals since they are much more intelligent than you can ever dream to be.

Mars
Mars posted:
 to Dave posted:
Mars posted:
RiffRaff posted:

watch the language fellas

Talk to that jackass who shows up and starts with his vile behavior. I'm not going to let these morons insult me.

You still braying.

Actually calling you a jackass is an insult to those dumb animals since they are much more intelligent than you can ever dream to be.

“Dumb animals “... why insulting your people. Why are you so deranged wacko , had your meds . 

FM
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

Running a government is a tough undertaking and if you're not up to the task, you need to be replaced. Did you see Obama or Trump hire death squads to bring crime under control in Chicago? The murder rate there is a lot worse than it ever was in Guyana but there has to be the rule of law or else the society will erode into anarchy. How do you know that the people being executed were murderous criminals? Were they put on trial through the designated justice system? Was execution the punishment for a crime they might have committed? You people seem to care about sticking to constitutional requirements by Granger but turn a blind eye when the PPP threw the constitution out of the window. A death squad to execute your own citizens without a trial is never necessary. There are other means of curbing crime within the nation. For instance, hiring and training more police officers like the current government is doing. Collaborating with the US DEA and Scotland Yard and learning advanced crime fighting techniques like the current government is doing. Crime is being reduced slowly but surely without resorting to outsourcing crime fighting to a hit squad.

I know that the Phantom squad worked because the murderous criminals were deep sixed and those citizens' lives when back to normalcy. Eve Leary Police Headquarters did not have to get those security guards anymore. Guyana is not like the US where there are law enforcement units that are respected and obeyed. The police ranks in Guyana are themselves perpetrators of abuse against regular citizens to one cannot compare the situation in Guyana to the US. The reality if that the Phantom squad worked. Those terrorists who were terrorizing the citizens of Guyana were deep sixed. That is enough justice. Lastly, the crime situation now is nowhere it was during those 5 years when Fineman and his murderous compadres terrorize Guyanese residents. Training from Scotland Yard and the DEA would not be effective during those 5 years. Snuffing them out the way we snuffed out Bin Laden was the right and only approach. In Guyana, due process through the court is a joke. People exchange money in the courtyard of the Magistrate Courts and the charges go away. Fineman would have been terrorizing the neighborhood hours after he is arrested given the way things work in Guyana.

FM
Dave posted:

RK had his own empire and as the situation gets out of hand, his squad was hire to wipe out the criminals that was harbouring by buxtonians. Nightly visit was done by known PNC top brass. 

The squad then was going after drug lords and paid to kill .

Reyaz Khan ( glen lall  brother) was fighting to take control of the drugs trade in Guyana 

Most of the dangerous criminals got wipe out after kidnaping the wrong man ( Bramanan from Keisher ) you don’t mess with him . The Colombians along with a sislian was brought in to rescue Brama and they did. 

Brama , RK and Reyaz sends their troop in to wipe out all tom dick and harry ... cause their business was suffering ... that’s when blacks start jumping up ... them a kill Abe 

 

So you are aware the Cartels were part of the Economy under PPP watch.

Where there are Drugs there is corruption,money have to be laundered.

Django

I said before that under the PPP there were extra-judicial killings of hundreds of people. That's a FACT, not my opinion. One cause had to do with hardened criminals. The other cause had to do with the so-called Buxton freedom fighters pledging to overthrow the government. The security forces proved inadequate for quelling the carnage so, as Dave said, rich businessman pooled their resources and hired the phantom squad with some blessing from the government. While I understand the dilemma the government faced, I am against vigilante justice. In the long run it is a dark shadow still haunting the PPP. 

FM
Django posted:
Dave posted:

RK had his own empire and as the situation gets out of hand, his squad was hire to wipe out the criminals that was harbouring by buxtonians. Nightly visit was done by known PNC top brass. 

The squad then was going after drug lords and paid to kill .

Reyaz Khan ( glen lall  brother) was fighting to take control of the drugs trade in Guyana 

Most of the dangerous criminals got wipe out after kidnaping the wrong man ( Bramanan from Keisher ) you don’t mess with him . The Colombians along with a sislian was brought in to rescue Brama and they did. 

Brama , RK and Reyaz sends their troop in to wipe out all tom dick and harry ... cause their business was suffering ... that’s when blacks start jumping up ... them a kill Abe 

 

So you are aware the Cartels were part of the Economy under PPP watch.

Where there are Drugs there is corruption,money have to be laundered.

They were always there, that’s not new . 

FM

I forgot abou the US England and Canada offering assistance in crime fighting but BJ had his plan which was to keep them away. Was this deliberate so the ABC countries not see the real reason crime was escalating? As mentioned by Dave "Drugs" was the culprit and by what we heard, lots of drugs. Guyana at the time was considered the hub for drug running, so why would the President not accept the assistance he was being offered?

cain
Dave posted:
 

They were always there, that’s not new . 

Not very prevalent in the trade when i reside there,some of those names i know,except RK.

I will stay quiet.

They and others got a free run under Jagdeo's watch.

Django
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Gilbakka posted:

I said before that under the PPP there were extra-judicial killings of hundreds of people. That's a FACT, not my opinion. One cause had to do with hardened criminals. The other cause had to do with the so-called Buxton freedom fighters pledging to overthrow the government. The security forces proved inadequate for quelling the carnage so, as Dave said, rich businessman pooled their resources and hired the phantom squad with some blessing from the government. While I understand the dilemma the government faced, I am against vigilante justice. In the long run it is a dark shadow still haunting the PPP. 

It is difficult to be concerned about vigilante justice when murderous criminals are terrorizing the neighborhood. It was kill or be killed. Certainly the murderous criminals didn't have right to life over the ordinary citizens.

FM
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:

All this moaning and groaning about the necessary steps taken by the PPP government to eradicate the criminals who were terrorizing the law abiding and innocent people of Guyana. The crime situation got corrected pretty quickly. I don't know why anyone would lose any sleep over those scumbags lives being put out. 

Do you actually support state sponsored murder? Do you know what would be the outcry from folks like you if Granger were to hire a hit squad to execute citizens of Guyana? If the crime situation was corrected so quickly, why is it that crime was still out of control when the PPP were voted out in 2015? How do you know that all the people executed by the Phantom Squad were scumbags? Were they not entitled to a fair trail as defined in the laws of Guyana? Was execution a fair punishment if they committed a crime? 

Y’all would take us back to caveman days if given a chance.

Perhaps you need to revisit the crime situation in Guyana around that time in question. Maybe you can start with the ridiculous notion of Eve Leary Police Headquarters considering hiring security guards to protect them from those murderous criminals. For those murderous criminals, execution is the perfect punishment. I don't care to lose any sleep over their demise just like I didn't lose any sleep over Bin Laden's demise. If a Phantom Squad was necessary, then a Phantom Squad it will be and was.

Running a government is a tough undertaking and if you're not up to the task, you need to be replaced. Did you see Obama or Trump hire death squads to bring crime under control in Chicago? The murder rate there is a lot worse than it ever was in Guyana but there has to be the rule of law or else the society will erode into anarchy. How do you know that the people being executed were murderous criminals? Were they put on trial through the designated justice system? Was execution the punishment for a crime they might have committed? You people seem to care about sticking to constitutional requirements by Granger but turn a blind eye when the PPP threw the constitution out of the window. A death squad to execute your own citizens without a trial is never necessary. There are other means of curbing crime within the nation. For instance, hiring and training more police officers like the current government is doing. Collaborating with the US DEA and Scotland Yard and learning advanced crime fighting techniques like the current government is doing. Crime is being reduced slowly but surely without resorting to outsourcing crime fighting to a hit squad.

I know that the Phantom squad worked because the murderous criminals were deep sixed and those citizens' lives when back to normalcy. Eve Leary Police Headquarters did not have to get those security guards anymore. Guyana is not like the US where there are law enforcement units that are respected and obeyed. The police ranks in Guyana are themselves perpetrators of abuse against regular citizens to one cannot compare the situation in Guyana to the US. The reality if that the Phantom squad worked. Those terrorists who were terrorizing the citizens of Guyana were deep sixed. That is enough justice. Lastly, the crime situation now is nowhere it was during those 5 years when Fineman and his murderous compadres terrorize Guyanese residents. Training from Scotland Yard and the DEA would not be effective during those 5 years. Snuffing them out the way we snuffed out Bin Laden was the right and only approach. In Guyana, due process through the court is a joke. People exchange money in the courtyard of the Magistrate Courts and the charges go away. Fineman would have been terrorizing the neighborhood hours after he is arrested given the way things work in Guyana.

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

Mars
Mars posted:
 

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

FM
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
 

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

I'm not surprised that you would support state sponsored murder but only when used by the PPP. Would you now support the current government using death squads to control crime? These are methods employed by brutal dictators and are usually found in countries where democratic principles are not adhered to. Authorized law enforcement personnel, like every other country around the world uses, would have been sufficient. Violent crime was not brought under control by the time the PPP left in 2015 so the Phantom Squad was basically ineffective and very illegal. For every Fineman killed, there were many more who took their places so to claim that the Phantom Squad worked is simply not true. Once again you showed that you are clueless when it comes to Guyana's politics. It is grossly inaccurate to associate the killing of Fineman with the Phantom Squad since he was pursued and killed by authorized members of the joint services. They should have been using the Police and Army effectively all along instead of using hitmen in the employ of drug lords to control crime.

Mars
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
 

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

I'm not surprised that you would support state sponsored murder but only when used by the PPP. Would you now support the current government using death squads to control crime? These are methods employed by brutal dictators and are usually found in countries where democratic principles are not adhered to. Authorized law enforcement personnel, like every other country around the world uses, would have been sufficient. Violent crime was not brought under control by the time the PPP left in 2015 so the Phantom Squad was basically ineffective and very illegal. For every Fineman killed, there were many more who took their places so to claim that the Phantom Squad worked is simply not true. Once again you showed that you are clueless when it comes to Guyana's politics. It is grossly inaccurate to associate the killing of Fineman with the Phantom Squad since he was pursued and killed by authorized members of the joint services. They should have been using the Police and Army effectively all along instead of using hitmen in the employ of drug lords to control crime.

By all means, I would support the current government using death squads to control the kind of crimes that Fineman and his murderous compadres perpetrated between 2003 and 2008. Crime is crime and whoever is able and willing to work to control it is welcomed by me.

FM
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:
 

You must be dreaming if you think that crime was under control when the PPP left in 2015. It is bizarre that you people would support state sponsored murder, but then again, the PPP is God in your eyes so you will justify anything they do even if it's unconstitutional to the highest degree. Bin Laden was not an American citizen committing a crime in America. The US was at war with Al Qaeda and in a war, the rules of engagement are different. I'm surprised that you wouldn't know something as elementary as this. Then again, why am I even surprised? I tend to forget who I'm speaking to at times. The US DEA and Scotland Yard offered their assistance but the PPP turned them down because they were working in co with the drug lords. Those international agencies would have detected the collaboration between Khan and the PPP in a heartbeat. All their illegal dealings such as government land sold to Khan for pennies, providing him with the spy equipment, etc, would have been exposed. The PPP also didn't mind having high crime to deal with since they were locked away in their mansions at night. The drug trade was bringing in massive amounts of foreign exchange so the PPP turned a blind eye to it, leaving citizens to face violent crime brought on by drug lords competing for turf.

I didn't say that crime was under control when the PPP left office in 2015. I was referring to the situation between 2003 and 2008 when Fineman and his murderous criminal compadres were terrorizing the neighborhood. Every locality has their way in how they deal with murderous criminals and the method used to deep six Fineman and his compadres is perfectly fine with me. I don't know if any other method would have been as effective but this one worked so no need to lose sleep over it. 

I'm not surprised that you would support state sponsored murder but only when used by the PPP. Would you now support the current government using death squads to control crime? These are methods employed by brutal dictators and are usually found in countries where democratic principles are not adhered to. Authorized law enforcement personnel, like every other country around the world uses, would have been sufficient. Violent crime was not brought under control by the time the PPP left in 2015 so the Phantom Squad was basically ineffective and very illegal. For every Fineman killed, there were many more who took their places so to claim that the Phantom Squad worked is simply not true. Once again you showed that you are clueless when it comes to Guyana's politics. It is grossly inaccurate to associate the killing of Fineman with the Phantom Squad since he was pursued and killed by authorized members of the joint services. They should have been using the Police and Army effectively all along instead of using hitmen in the employ of drug lords to control crime.

By all means, I would support the current government using death squads to control the kind of crimes that Fineman and his murderous compadres perpetrated between 2003 and 2008. Crime is crime and whoever is able and willing to work to control it is welcomed by me.

I guess you have no regards for the law. People like you do not belong in civilized societies. 

Mars

Hey Kaz, yuh feel 21st century Guyana should be like 19th century Arizona with vigilante justice, eh? We have to be more humane. Criminals are entitled to due process, not powpowpow till dem drap dead.

FM
Mars posted:

I guess you have no regards for the law. People like you do not belong in civilized societies. 

The reason I am still here while criminals like Fineman and his murderous compadres are deep sixed is because I do abide by civilized society's laws and rules. Therefore I don't care to lose sleep over whatever methods are employed to remove criminals from society. Them being dead is icing on the cake.

FM
Gilbakka posted:

Hey Kaz, yuh feel 21st century Guyana should be like 19th century Arizona with vigilante justice, eh? We have to be more humane. Criminals are entitled to due process, not powpowpow till dem drap dead.

Gilly, Fineman and his murderous compadres were operating like any century criminals so any century method to deep six them is perfect.

FM
ksazma posted:
Mars posted:

I guess you have no regards for the law. People like you do not belong in civilized societies. 

The reason I am still here while criminals like Fineman and his murderous compadres are deep sixed is because I do abide by civilized society's laws and rules. Therefore I don't care to lose sleep over whatever methods are employed to remove criminals from society. Them being dead is icing on the cake.

Fineman met his demise in a confrontation with law enforcement officers and that's the way it should be. How do you know that the people removed from society were in fact criminals? 

You do not belong in a civilized society, not because you obey the laws but because you support the use of death squads to maintain law and order. Civilized societies do not control crime by using hit men to murder suspected criminals.

 

Mars
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Zed posted:

On the ESsequibi coast, there was no violence as experienced in other parts of Guyana. However. I think that both groups were involved in violence. The PNC 's was organized as was evident by the report on the Wismar rapes and killing, the x13 plan. I think that the ppp's were reprisals at a local level.

it makes no sense to me that if the British or Burnham had evidence of violence .

And the PPP couldn't furnish any proof that it was the PNC which blew up the Son Chapman, as has been their propaganda.  This in their usual way to paint the PPP/Indians as virginal saints with the PNC/blacks as being vessels of the devil.

I note as usual your attempt to show the PPP view.

1.  The PNC was organized.

2. The PPP was only local "reprisals".

Listen PYO members were being trained by Castro who was also shipping them arms. BOTH sides were proxies in the Cold War and BOTH sides were both engaged in organized activity and in local revenge based violence.

FM

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