Trump signs executive order to keep out 'radical Islamic terrorists'

Keffer posted:
Prince posted:
ba$eman posted:
Chief posted:

This is unAmerican!

What is?

Chief patriotism of America is see our children die by the hands of terrorists as prescribed by the Holy Qu'ran. 

Your response above is not only extremely offensive; it is also a clear reflection of unadulterated ignorance and ugly, dirty bigotry ! I challenge you to quote ONE reference from the Qur'an that supports 'see our children die at the hands of terrorists' !

I read the same Qu'ran as you do, but your interpretation differs to defend to the Satanic verses of Islam. GNI is not a court of law to prove anything to you. I am here to get down and dirty with the BS.   

Chief posted:

Yugi is now kissing Mr.T.

Where is Nehru?

Chief, this is a serious issue for many muslim folks even in my neighbourhood. It was mostly muslims from Pakistan and India who first came to this part of London and even converted an old building to a mosque. Because of the mosque, a lot of the new muslim arrivals settled down in the neighbourhood as well. And the new ones are heavily involved in criminality in the drugs trade.

Mr.T posted:
Chief posted:

Yugi is now kissing Mr.T.

Where is Nehru?

Chief, this is a serious issue for many muslim folks even in my neighbourhood. It was mostly muslims from Pakistan and India who first came to this part of London and even converted an old building to a mosque. Because of the mosque, a lot of the new muslim arrivals settled down in the neighbourhood as well. And the new ones are heavily involved in criminality in the drugs trade.

Thank you for stating the facts.

Mr.T posted:
Chief posted:

Yugi is now kissing Mr.T.

Where is Nehru?

Chief, this is a serious issue for many muslim folks even in my neighbourhood. It was mostly muslims from Pakistan and India who first came to this part of London and even converted an old building to a mosque. Because of the mosque, a lot of the new muslim arrivals settled down in the neighbourhood as well. And the new ones are heavily involved in criminality in the drugs trade.

guess there wasn't a drug trade or criminals prior to this

Prince posted:
Mr.T posted:
Chief posted:

Yugi is now kissing Mr.T.

Where is Nehru?

Chief, this is a serious issue for many muslim folks even in my neighbourhood. It was mostly muslims from Pakistan and India who first came to this part of London and even converted an old building to a mosque. Because of the mosque, a lot of the new muslim arrivals settled down in the neighbourhood as well. And the new ones are heavily involved in criminality in the drugs trade.

Thank you for stating the facts.

What 'facts' ? Facts are established by evidence, you dingbat ! Someone makes a statement of opinion and you immediately conclude that it is true. What evidence did you see in Mr. T's statement, you ignorant, bigoted donkey ? Your comprehension of English is evidently seriously lacking. What criminal or statistical record is there to support the claim that Muslims are involved in the drug trade ? None whatsoever, absolutely none ! But given that your pint-sized intellect is so steeped and consumed by foul and dirty prejudice, you joyously and immediately jump on the bandwagon of Muslim bashing !  

Keffer posted:
 

What 'facts' ? Facts are established by evidence, you dingbat ! Someone makes a statement of opinion and you immediately conclude that it is true. What evidence did you see in Mr. T's statement, you ignorant, bigoted donkey ? Your comprehension of English is evidently seriously lacking. What criminal or statistical record is there to support the claim that Muslims are involved in the drug trade ? None whatsoever, absolutely none ! But given that your pint-sized intellect is so steeped and consumed by foul and dirty prejudice, you joyously and immediately jump on the bandwagon of Muslim bashing !  

To call the Prince an idiot is like praising him.

Chief et al,  it appears that Muslims have a PR problem.  Is there anything the muslim community can do to improve the image of the umma worldwide? 

Why is it that the Buddists, Hindus, Christians, Jews and other religious faiths don't have this issue with their image, being associated with terrorism like Islam?  Isn't there something that the larger Muslim community can start working on to improve this image via tv ads, publicizing the turning in a few terrorists etc? Something tangible to show the world that they are against the terrorists, other than just complaining about discrimination.  When was the last time we heard publicly that the muslim community turned in a terrorist or stopped a terrorist attack? I am sure this has happened but it is not given the publicity it deserves. 

The image of the umma that jumps out at the rest of us is the muslims shouting death to America, burning the US flag or celebrating the death of "infidels" etc.  Seldom do we see images of Imams and clerics condemning the acts of terrorism and working with law enforcement to turn in the terrorists.  This needs to be publicized.  The silence from the larger Muslim community is interpreted as endorsing of terrorism. 

We all know that the majority of Muslims are good people and the bad rap comes from the actions of just a few comparatively. Similar to how Blacks like CaribJ are associated with crime and welfare despite the evidence to show otherwise. 

Drugb posted:

Chief et al,  it appears that Muslims have a PR problem.  Is there anything the muslim community can do to improve the image of the umma worldwide? 

Why is it that the Buddists, Hindus, Christians, Jews and other religious faiths don't have this issue with their image, being associated with terrorism like Islam?  Isn't there something that the larger Muslim community can start working on to improve this image via tv ads, publicizing the turning in a few terrorists etc? Something tangible to show the world that they are against the terrorists, other than just complaining about discrimination.  When was the last time we heard publicly that the muslim community turned in a terrorist or stopped a terrorist attack? I am sure this has happened but it is not given the publicity it deserves. 

The image of the umma that jumps out at the rest of us is the muslims shouting death to America, burning the US flag or celebrating the death of "infidels" etc.  Seldom do we see images of Imams and clerics condemning the acts of terrorism and working with law enforcement to turn in the terrorists.  This needs to be publicized.  The silence from the larger Muslim community is interpreted as endorsing of terrorism. 

We all know that the majority of Muslims are good people and the bad rap comes from the actions of just a few comparatively. Similar to how Blacks like CaribJ are associated with crime and welfare despite the evidence to show otherwise. 

You did well until the "RACISM" kicks in with the last paragraph.

How can some one take guidance from you ???

Drugb posted:

Chief et al,  it appears that Muslims have a PR problem.  Is there anything the muslim community can do to improve the image of the umma worldwide? 

Why is it that the Buddists, Hindus, Christians, Jews and other religious faiths don't have this issue with their image, being associated with terrorism like Islam?  Isn't there something that the larger Muslim community can start working on to improve this image via tv ads, publicizing the turning in a few terrorists etc? Something tangible to show the world that they are against the terrorists, other than just complaining about discrimination.  When was the last time we heard publicly that the muslim community turned in a terrorist or stopped a terrorist attack? I am sure this has happened but it is not given the publicity it deserves. 

The image of the umma that jumps out at the rest of us is the muslims shouting death to America, burning the US flag or celebrating the death of "infidels" etc.  Seldom do we see images of Imams and clerics condemning the acts of terrorism and working with law enforcement to turn in the terrorists.  This needs to be publicized.  The silence from the larger Muslim community is interpreted as endorsing of terrorism. 

We all know that the majority of Muslims are good people and the bad rap comes from the actions of just a few comparatively. Similar to how Blacks like CaribJ are associated with crime and welfare despite the evidence to show otherwise. 

Druggie, you are not necessarily going to know if/when Muslims do those things because the media isn't interested in publicizing it. It is a bit easier now given that by defending Muslims is going against Trump and the media isn't too fond of Trump. Take for instance this refugee issue. Only this week a former senior UK government official was on MSNBC stating that it is not the west that has taken in most refugees but rather the Middle East, particularly Lebanon and Jordan which together has taken in over 2 million refugees. That was the first time I saw on tv here that the West has taken in only a small portion of Syrian refugees compared to those two countries.

And then we go back to Guyana in the 70's where Muslims were maligned even though they were only a small segment of our population.

Muslims have to continue to do what is necessary to separate themselves from the terrorists but it is not their burden what the terrorists do. Even parents in America do not have to carry the burden of their murderous children and vise versa.

ksazma posted:

Druggie, you are not necessarily going to know if/when Muslims do those things because the media isn't interested in publicizing it. It is a bit easier now given that by defending Muslims is going against Trump and the media isn't too fond of Trump. Take for instance this refugee issue. Only this week a former senior UK government official was on MSNBC stating that it is not the west that has taken in most refugees but rather the Middle East, particularly Lebanon and Jordan which together has taken in over 2 million refugees. That was the first time I saw on tv here that the West has taken in only a small portion of Syrian refugees compared to those two countries.

And then we go back to Guyana in the 70's where Muslims were maligned even though they were only a small segment of our population.

Muslims have to continue to do what is necessary to separate themselves from the terrorists but it is not their burden what the terrorists do. Even parents in America do not have to carry the burden of their murderous children and vise versa.

I fully agree with you up to the point where you mention that it is not their burden. I will argue that if the negative perception of Muslims is to change then each and every Muslim must make it their burden to ensure that the positives outweigh the negatives.  Think about it as an advertising campaign where perception trumps reality.  

Drugb posted:

I fully agree with you up to the point where you mention that it is not their burden. I will argue that if the negative perception of Muslims is to change then each and every Muslim must make it their burden to ensure that the positives outweigh the negatives.  Think about it as an advertising campaign where perception trumps reality.  

It is not practical for the law abiding Muslims to change the actions of the one determined on evil actions. By your own observation above, "We all know that the majority of Muslims are good people and the bad rap comes from the actions of just a few comparatively" the actions of the good Muslims gets out-shadowed by that of the lesser numbered evil Muslims.

ksazma posted:

It is not practical for the law abiding Muslims to change the actions of the one determined on evil actions. By your own observation above, "We all know that the majority of Muslims are good people and the bad rap comes from the actions of just a few comparatively" the actions of the good Muslims gets out-shadowed by that of the lesser numbered evil Muslims.

I would beg to differ. Let us take the Jews as an example. How did they change the negative perception from the Hitler days when no one cared that Hitler was marching them to the gas chambers in the millions? Today if a Jew is harmed it becomes headline news with sympathy from all quarters. 

Drugb posted:
ksazma posted:

It is not practical for the law abiding Muslims to change the actions of the one determined on evil actions. By your own observation above, "We all know that the majority of Muslims are good people and the bad rap comes from the actions of just a few comparatively" the actions of the good Muslims gets out-shadowed by that of the lesser numbered evil Muslims.

I would beg to differ. Let us take the Jews as an example. How did they change the negative perception from the Hitler days when no one cared that Hitler was marching them to the gas chambers in the millions? Today if a Jew is harmed it becomes headline news with sympathy from all quarters. 

That is because of peoples' guilt of the holocaust. Even today, whenever Israel does something that would definitely earn them global condemnation, they quickly invoke the holocaust memorial to temper the reaction. Muslims don't generally ask for pity. They demand rights. I would suggest they demand those rights too vociferously to their general detriment. They should just chill a bit.

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