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Looks like Tola's organization is not doing such a good job, these other guys find it necessary to set up their own suicide NGO: ‘The Hope is Rising’,

NGO strives to reduce suicide in Guyana


 

 

An organization that is bent on decreasing the alarming rates of suicide in Guyana has collaborated with the Ministry of Social Protection to move Guyana from being labeled as one of the countries with the highest rates of suicide in the World.
‘The Hope is Rising’, a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) in collaboration with the Ministry of Social Protection, launched a concert which will be held at the National Stadium on November 3rd, 2017. The event was launched last evening at the Regency Hotel. The concert is expected to include performances from popular local and international gospel artistes.
It is promised to be not only one with a difference, but one which will transform lives.
It was organized by Christians in Guyana who have recognized the need for an intervention and cooperation between the church and the government to eliminate suicide.

Popular Guyanese artiste, Saiku sharing remarks at last evening’s forum

An official from the NGO, Melissa Davy said, “We are going to be having the Travis Greene celebration of Life Concert. This is actually the launch of the activity. We have many stakeholders here; we have pastors, businessmen and women, persons from all parts of society are here today. A lot of them are very influential people. This organization is non-profit, and all of us who are in the organization actually have our own jobs or businesses, but we work together to reduce poverty through job creation, which will eventually reduce suicide and violence. We are working in partnership with the Ministry of Social Protection, they have come onboard and are supporting.
“The organization has realized that there are a number of people in society who are hurting and in despair and might feel hopeless, but we are here to help those people and to encourage them to use their skills to become a more productive person and in the process minimizing not only poverty, but suicide.”
Persons attending the concert at the National Stadium can expect performances from international artiste, Travis Greene and his band, Saiku; Sherwin Gardener, Samuel Medas, Cherlyn Melony, Cassandra Keise, Kester Deane and several other artistes.
The Hope is Rising is a NGO which was established in April of this year and is an arm of the Philia Foundation, which has been in existence since 2008. It is a ‘faith based organization’ that works along with various churches, the government and the public sector. The aim of the institution is to cooperate with other institutions with the intent of eradicating poverty and suicide in Guyana through the creation of jobs. It is led by Pastor Joseph Persaud.
In previous ventures, the association was able to provide jobs through Qualfon and the Ministry of Social Protection, who implemented a ‘job bank’ to help persons find a job that matches their qualifications.

 

 

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Drugb posted:

Looks like Tola's organization is not doing such a good job, these other guys find it necessary to set up their own suicide NGO: ‘The Hope is Rising’,

What reason would anyone have for such nasty negative comment of a noble cause? You crave attention this much?

A
Last edited by antabanta

Suicide groups are mushrooming like dandelions inside and outside Guyana to combat the scourge in Berbice, Demerara and Essequibo. Why would a poster want to single out Tola if not for mischief and provocation? 

FM
Django posted:

That's great,

the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting,it clearly shows to warped minds,Guyanese are looking out for each other,real change is in the horizon,not good for the Divisionist.

This has nothing to do with Afro.  This thread is about suicide.  Read it back again you will see what I am talking about.

Bibi Haniffa
Gilbakka posted:

Suicide groups are mushrooming like dandelions inside and outside Guyana to combat the scourge in Berbice, Demerara and Essequibo. Why would a poster want to single out Tola if not for mischief and provocation? 

Don't talk about mischief.  You have been found guilty of Giving out inaccurate information about people's personal lives to other posters solely for the purpose of mischief making.  As such you are no authority on the subject since you lost credibility.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

That's great,

the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting,it clearly shows to warped minds,Guyanese are looking out for each other,real change is in the horizon,not good for the Divisionist.

This has nothing to do with Afro.  This thread is about suicide.  Read it back again you will see what I am talking about.

What you talking about ???

read below,the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting on decreasing the alarming rates of suicide.

"Persons attending the concert at the National Stadium can expect performances from international artiste, Travis Greene and his band, Saiku; Sherwin Gardener, Samuel Medas, Cherlyn Melony, Cassandra Keise, Kester Deane and several other artistes."

Django
Last edited by Django
Chief posted:

Thanks Cain.

How are you Buddy?

Ah deh!  

I am actually on the road a lot. I see dem guys sold or selling off their mosque in Thorncliff and and just grabbed another building nearby (by my place) for 8mil banna. Dunno if you know the area..it is off Overlea Blvd.

cain
Last edited by cain
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

That's great,

the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting,it clearly shows to warped minds,Guyanese are looking out for each other,real change is in the horizon,not good for the Divisionist.

This has nothing to do with Afro.  This thread is about suicide.  Read it back again you will see what I am talking about.

What you talking about ???

read below,the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting on decreasing the alarming rates of suicide.

"Persons attending the concert at the National Stadium can expect performances from international artiste, Travis Greene and his band, Saiku; Sherwin Gardener, Samuel Medas, Cherlyn Melony, Cassandra Keise, Kester Deane and several other artistes."

Read the article again.  It's about suicide.  And if you don't believe me, ask somebody else.  They will tell you it's about suicide.  

Bibi Haniffa

Suicide is everybody's business. I am delighted to see people and organizations taking up the mantle to help spread the word that life is precious. I tip my hat to àll that making a difference in suicide prevention.

FM
cain posted:
Chief posted:

Thanks Cain.

How are you Buddy?

Ah deh!  

I am actually on the road a lot. I see dem guys sold or selling off their mosque in Thorncliff and and just grabbed another building nearby (by my place) for 8mil banna. Dunno if you know the area..it is off Overlea Blvd.

Is that the Brampton area?

Chief
Chief posted:
cain posted:
Chief posted:

Thanks Cain.

How are you Buddy?

Ah deh!  

I am actually on the road a lot. I see dem guys sold or selling off their mosque in Thorncliff and and just grabbed another building nearby (by my place) for 8mil banna. Dunno if you know the area..it is off Overlea Blvd.

Is that the Brampton area?

No, just West of Scarborough, off of Don Mills. It is said this is an area with the largest group of Muslims in Ontario...and possibly Canada.

cain
Last edited by cain
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Suicide groups are mushrooming like dandelions inside and outside Guyana to combat the scourge in Berbice, Demerara and Essequibo. Why would a poster want to single out Tola if not for mischief and provocation? 

Don't talk about mischief.  You have been found guilty of Giving out inaccurate information about people's personal lives to other posters solely for the purpose of mischief making.  As such you are no authority on the subject since you lost credibility.

Oh my my my there you have it girly.  Me Mammy always warn me of old men.  Sir Gibbakka adores madame secretary but not her man crave Hon Dr B Jagdeo, president come 2020 huh.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

That's great,

the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting,it clearly shows to warped minds,Guyanese are looking out for each other,real change is in the horizon,not good for the Divisionist.

This has nothing to do with Afro.  This thread is about suicide.  Read it back again you will see what I am talking about.

You have to excuse djangy, it could be the after effects of consuming too much roasted black bigan choka. He now seeing a black man in every shadow and around every corner.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

That's great,

the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting,it clearly shows to warped minds,Guyanese are looking out for each other,real change is in the horizon,not good for the Divisionist.

This has nothing to do with Afro.  This thread is about suicide.  Read it back again you will see what I am talking about.

What you talking about ???

read below,the Afro brothers and sisters are assisting on decreasing the alarming rates of suicide.

"Persons attending the concert at the National Stadium can expect performances from international artiste, Travis Greene and his band, Saiku; Sherwin Gardener, Samuel Medas, Cherlyn Melony, Cassandra Keise, Kester Deane and several other artistes."

Read the article again.  It's about suicide.  And if you don't believe me, ask somebody else.  They will tell you it's about suicide.  

LMAO @Bibi Haniffa primary school post.

Mitwah
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:

Looks like Tola's organization is not doing such a good job, these other guys find it necessary to set up their own suicide NGO: ‘The Hope is Rising’,

What reason would anyone have for such nasty negative comment of a noble cause? You crave attention this much?

This is not a negative comment, it is an observation that for such a small country, 2 or more NGO will be competing for the same funding and will not be as effective as they will be spending most of the funds on maintaining two different organizational structures, advertising, outreach personnel etc. Get your mind out of the gutter.

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:

Looks like Tola's organization is not doing such a good job, these other guys find it necessary to set up their own suicide NGO: ‘The Hope is Rising’,

What reason would anyone have for such nasty negative comment of a noble cause? You crave attention this much?

This is not a negative comment, it is an observation that for such a small country, 2 or more NGO will be competing for the same funding and will not be as effective as they will be spending most of the funds on maintaining two different organizational structures, advertising, outreach personnel etc. Get your mind out of the gutter.

Bullshyte! Don't try to weasel your way out by posting more BS.

A
antabanta posted:

Bullshyte! Don't try to weasel your way out by posting more BS.

Look, it is not my business that your head in the gutter but there is more to this than the eyes can see. 

Apparently this organization "the hope is rising" seem to have done a study and determined that jobs will cure suicide:

"“The organization has realized that there are a number of people in society who are hurting and in despair and might feel hopeless, but we are here to help those people and to encourage them to use their skills to become a more productive person and in the process minimizing not only poverty, but suicide.”"

In fact, most of the suicide cases I have read about in Guyana involve mental issues over relationships gone bad rather than people killing themselves over lack of good jobs. 

Tola et al were not addressing this, neither is this new group. Based on what I read, they are doing a concert at the stadium to raise cash but I wonder if this is a scam or what percentage of the money will actually go to help people. 

 

FM
Princess Di posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Suicide groups are mushrooming like dandelions inside and outside Guyana to combat the scourge in Berbice, Demerara and Essequibo. Why would a poster want to single out Tola if not for mischief and provocation? 

Don't talk about mischief.  You have been found guilty of Giving out inaccurate information about people's personal lives to other posters solely for the purpose of mischief making.  As such you are no authority on the subject since you lost credibility.

Oh my my my there you have it girly.  Me Mammy always warn me of old men.  Sir Gibbakka adores madame secretary but not her man crave Hon Dr B Jagdeo, president come 2020 huh.

You going from base to base man!!!

alena06
alena06 posted:
Princess Di posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Suicide groups are mushrooming like dandelions inside and outside Guyana to combat the scourge in Berbice, Demerara and Essequibo. Why would a poster want to single out Tola if not for mischief and provocation? 

Don't talk about mischief.  You have been found guilty of Giving out inaccurate information about people's personal lives to other posters solely for the purpose of mischief making.  As such you are no authority on the subject since you lost credibility.

Oh my my my there you have it girly.  Me Mammy always warn me of old men.  Sir Gibbakka adores madame secretary but not her man crave Hon Dr B Jagdeo, president come 2020 huh.

You going from base to base man!!!

GNI Rocks. 

Mitwah
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Bullshyte! Don't try to weasel your way out by posting more BS.

Look, it is not my business that your head in the gutter but there is more to this than the eyes can see. 

Apparently this organization "the hope is rising" seem to have done a study and determined that jobs will cure suicide:

"“The organization has realized that there are a number of people in society who are hurting and in despair and might feel hopeless, but we are here to help those people and to encourage them to use their skills to become a more productive person and in the process minimizing not only poverty, but suicide.”"

In fact, most of the suicide cases I have read about in Guyana involve mental issues over relationships gone bad rather than people killing themselves over lack of good jobs. 

Tola et al were not addressing this, neither is this new group. Based on what I read, they are doing a concert at the stadium to raise cash but I wonder if this is a scam or what percentage of the money will actually go to help people. 

 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? Did you really need a study to understand the impact of gainful occupation on the psyche? How will a non-profit organization go about providing jobs for the citizens of a country? If they cannot do that, how can they help?

A
antabanta posted: 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? Did you really need a study to understand the impact of gainful occupation on the psyche? How will a non-profit organization go about providing jobs for the citizens of a country? If they cannot do that, how can they help?

I see you also determined that the reason for suicide in Guyana is due to lack of jobs and no analysis is needed. This is not surprising as this is how the PNC is running Guyana today, bypass studies and come up with solutions off the top of their heads. 

If you did a cursory study based on news paper articles, you would note that at least 99% of the suicide cases are due to mental issues related to relationships and not to job loss.  But as a PNC operative, this will not resonate with your wrang and strang mentality. 

FM
antabanta posted:
 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? 

Suicide rose under the watch of Tola and his alleged NGO organization. Need I say more?

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? 

Suicide rose under the watch of Tola and his alleged NGO organization. Need I say more?

Count your blessings that Tola was able to save you. 

 

Mitwah

There is a group going to Guyana from England on 6th October 2017, to assist with the suicide problem, they will be travelling to all three counties. Many of these guys are specialists in this field, I am trying to get another doctor from Toronto to join them ,but he recently lost his father, he may still go later.Guyana has doctors and nuff lawyers ,but no specialists in the field of mental problems, we are quick to call people MAD, but never think that there is a solution. Please note, these mental specialists are paying their own way,and donating their time and resources.

K
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted: 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? Did you really need a study to understand the impact of gainful occupation on the psyche? How will a non-profit organization go about providing jobs for the citizens of a country? If they cannot do that, how can they help?

I see you also determined that the reason for suicide in Guyana is due to lack of jobs and no analysis is needed. This is not surprising as this is how the PNC is running Guyana today, bypass studies and come up with solutions off the top of their heads. 

If you did a cursory study based on news paper articles, you would note that at least 99% of the suicide cases are due to mental issues related to relationships and not to job loss.  But as a PNC operative, this will not resonate with your wrang and strang mentality. 

Please explain your arrival at this conclusion. Or is this just more of your usual Rat groupie thoughtless and asinine behavior?

Who in the world would believe that you studied newspaper articles on suicide?

Are you denying that lack of gainful occupation impacts people mentally and emotionally?

A
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? 

Suicide rose under the watch of Tola and his alleged NGO organization. Need I say more?

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

A
antabanta posted:
 
 

Please explain your arrival at this conclusion. Or is this just more of your usual Rat groupie thoughtless and asinine behavior?

Who in the world would believe that you studied newspaper articles on suicide?

Are you denying that lack of gainful occupation impacts people mentally and emotionally?

Don't play stupid. If you were following the daily news out of Guyana you would know that the majority of suicide were crimes of passion and mental health not related to lack of employment.  Lack of employment does not drive people to suicide, it drive them to rob.   You should know this as PNC supporters are known as skillful robbers. 

FM
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:

Suicide groups are mushrooming like dandelions inside and outside Guyana to combat the scourge in Berbice, Demerara and Essequibo. Why would a poster want to single out Tola if not for mischief and provocation? 

you left out jealousy...

GTAngler
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted: 

What is Tola and his organization doing and why are you displeased with it? Did you really need a study to understand the impact of gainful occupation on the psyche? How will a non-profit organization go about providing jobs for the citizens of a country? If they cannot do that, how can they help?

I see you also determined that the reason for suicide in Guyana is due to lack of jobs and no analysis is needed. This is not surprising as this is how the PNC is running Guyana today, bypass studies and come up with solutions off the top of their heads. 

If you did a cursory study based on news paper articles, you would note that at least 99% of the suicide cases are due to mental issues related to relationships and not to job loss.  But as a PNC operative, this will not resonate with your wrang and strang mentality. 

Please explain your arrival at this conclusion. Or is this just more of your usual Rat groupie thoughtless and asinine behavior?

Who in the world would believe that you studied newspaper articles on suicide?

Are you denying that lack of gainful occupation impacts people mentally and emotionally?

Who in the world would believe he has a brain?

GTAngler
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

Drugbeer, why are you singling out Tola? Get a life jackass. teck dis. 

Mitwah
Last edited by Mitwah
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

How do you measure success? What cost do you put on a human life? Please answer honestly. As far as I am concerned, if one life was saved, it's success. 

GTAngler
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
 
 

Please explain your arrival at this conclusion. Or is this just more of your usual Rat groupie thoughtless and asinine behavior?

Who in the world would believe that you studied newspaper articles on suicide?

Are you denying that lack of gainful occupation impacts people mentally and emotionally?

Don't play stupid. If you were following the daily news out of Guyana you would know that the majority of suicide were crimes of passion and mental health not related to lack of employment.  Lack of employment does not drive people to suicide, it drive them to rob.   You should know this as PNC supporters are known as skillful robbers. 

The most skillful robber in Guyana is your idol the Rat. But let's not digress. Are you denying that lack of gainful occupation impacts people mentally and emotionally?

A
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

Do you have a report to share?

A
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

How do you measure success? What cost do you put on a human life? Please answer honestly. As far as I am concerned, if one life was saved, it's success. 

Success is result based. Ever since Tola's organization have operated in Guyana we have seen the suicide rate rising, we can assume zero impact. Today Guyana is at the 1 and 2 position as the country with the highest suicide rate per capita on two different rating systems.

We should not all be like cattle, afraid to question effectiveness and validity of these fly by night organizations because we are afraid to be labelled as politically incorrect. A lot of these groups are not held accountable, they hold fund raisers, solicit donations from businesses and individuals but offer no visibility into how the money is spent and what percent actually goes to help vulnerable people. In addition Tola was asked for years to provide this information about his organization but always found an excuse to dodge the questions. 

There is no evidence, nor can there be that would show that any lives were saved. What we can measure is from a holistic approach, the suicide rate over time. This is how the police measure crime fighting, pollution is measured etc. Why not suicide. 

FM
antabanta posted:

Do you have a report to share?

Yes, see for yourself the ineffectiveness of these fly by night suicide groups.  Tola's group has been in Guyana for years and yet the suicide rate has sky rocketed. 

https://www.telesurtv.net/engl...s-20170415-0009.html

Guyana, Nation with Highest Suicide Rate, Fights Mental Illness

 

Guyana has the world's highest suicide rate. | Photo: Reuters

Published 15 April 2017
 
Guyana's Ministry of Health is investing millions into a new program to reduce and possibly eliminate instances of attempted suicide and self-harm.

Guyana’s Ministry of Health on Saturday announced plans to launch a nationwide campaign tackling mental illness, Jamaica Observer reports, citing the country’s concerning suicide epidemic. 

Guyana, one of South America’s smallest countries, currently has the highest suicide rate in the world, according to the World Health Organization.

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Do you have a report to share?

Yes, see for yourself the ineffectiveness of these fly by night suicide groups.  Tola's group has been in Guyana for years and yet the suicide rate has sky rocketed. 

https://www.telesurtv.net/engl...s-20170415-0009.html

Guyana, Nation with Highest Suicide Rate, Fights Mental Illness

 

Guyana has the world's highest suicide rate. | Photo: Reuters

Published 15 April 2017
 
Guyana's Ministry of Health is investing millions into a new program to reduce and possibly eliminate instances of attempted suicide and self-harm.

Guyana’s Ministry of Health on Saturday announced plans to launch a nationwide campaign tackling mental illness, Jamaica Observer reports, citing the country’s concerning suicide epidemic. 

Guyana, one of South America’s smallest countries, currently has the highest suicide rate in the world, according to the World Health Organization.

Where is there mention of the work done by Tola's group?

A
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

How do you measure success? What cost do you put on a human life? Please answer honestly. As far as I am concerned, if one life was saved, it's success. 

Success is result based. Ever since Tola's organization have operated in Guyana we have seen the suicide rate rising, we can assume zero impact. Today Guyana is at the 1 and 2 position as the country with the highest suicide rate per capita on two different rating systems.

We should not all be like cattle, afraid to question effectiveness and validity of these fly by night organizations because we are afraid to be labelled as politically incorrect. A lot of these groups are not held accountable, they hold fund raisers, solicit donations from businesses and individuals but offer no visibility into how the money is spent and what percent actually goes to help vulnerable people. In addition Tola was asked for years to provide this information about his organization but always found an excuse to dodge the questions. 

There is no evidence, nor can there be that would show that any lives were saved. What we can measure is from a holistic approach, the suicide rate over time. This is how the police measure crime fighting, pollution is measured etc. Why not suicide. 

How do you know the impact of the groups is zero? How do you know that the rate would not be higher without the groups?

A
Drugb posted:
 

Yes, see for yourself the ineffectiveness of these fly by night suicide groups.  Tola's group has been in Guyana for years and yet the suicide rate has sky rocketed. 

 

 

Dankey Rugbeer like you pulling stats info from your anus. How far up?

Mitwah
Last edited by Mitwah
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Do you have a report to share?

Yes, see for yourself the ineffectiveness of these fly by night suicide groups.  Tola's group has been in Guyana for years and yet the suicide rate has sky rocketed. 

https://www.telesurtv.net/engl...s-20170415-0009.html

Guyana, Nation with Highest Suicide Rate, Fights Mental Illness

 

Guyana has the world's highest suicide rate. | Photo: Reuters

Published 15 April 2017
 
Guyana's Ministry of Health is investing millions into a new program to reduce and possibly eliminate instances of attempted suicide and self-harm.

Guyana’s Ministry of Health on Saturday announced plans to launch a nationwide campaign tackling mental illness, Jamaica Observer reports, citing the country’s concerning suicide epidemic. 

Guyana, one of South America’s smallest countries, currently has the highest suicide rate in the world, according to the World Health Organization.

Where is there mention of the work done by Tola's group?

I just love debating you, you make my points for me without even trying. This is exactly the point, despite Tola's group being in the country for years, there is no evidence that they did any good, ineffective at best, in fact some may even conclude that they contributed to the rise in suicide cases. 

FM
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

How do you measure success? What cost do you put on a human life? Please answer honestly. As far as I am concerned, if one life was saved, it's success. 

Success is result based. Ever since Tola's organization have operated in Guyana we have seen the suicide rate rising, we can assume zero impact. Today Guyana is at the 1 and 2 position as the country with the highest suicide rate per capita on two different rating systems.

We should not all be like cattle, afraid to question effectiveness and validity of these fly by night organizations because we are afraid to be labelled as politically incorrect. A lot of these groups are not held accountable, they hold fund raisers, solicit donations from businesses and individuals but offer no visibility into how the money is spent and what percent actually goes to help vulnerable people. In addition Tola was asked for years to provide this information about his organization but always found an excuse to dodge the questions. 

There is no evidence, nor can there be that would show that any lives were saved. What we can measure is from a holistic approach, the suicide rate over time. This is how the police measure crime fighting, pollution is measured etc. Why not suicide. 

How do you know the impact of the groups is zero? How do you know that the rate would not be higher without the groups?

Bai like yuh head hard, how can anyone prove that Tola prevented any suicide? You would need a time machine and two parallel universe to prove this. Run a parallel test with Tola's group involvement and one without then compare the results.  This is practically impossible. What we know for sure is that under Tola's tutelage the country suicide rate increased to the highest in the world. By inference one can surmise that he was ineffective. 

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Do you have a report to share?

Yes, see for yourself the ineffectiveness of these fly by night suicide groups.  Tola's group has been in Guyana for years and yet the suicide rate has sky rocketed. 

https://www.telesurtv.net/engl...s-20170415-0009.html

Guyana, Nation with Highest Suicide Rate, Fights Mental Illness

 

Guyana has the world's highest suicide rate. | Photo: Reuters

Published 15 April 2017
 
Guyana's Ministry of Health is investing millions into a new program to reduce and possibly eliminate instances of attempted suicide and self-harm.

Guyana’s Ministry of Health on Saturday announced plans to launch a nationwide campaign tackling mental illness, Jamaica Observer reports, citing the country’s concerning suicide epidemic. 

Guyana, one of South America’s smallest countries, currently has the highest suicide rate in the world, according to the World Health Organization.

Where is there mention of the work done by Tola's group?

I just love debating you, you make my points for me without even trying. This is exactly the point, despite Tola's group being in the country for years, there is no evidence that they did any good, ineffective at best, in fact some may even conclude that they contributed to the rise in suicide cases. 

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

A
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

How do you measure success? What cost do you put on a human life? Please answer honestly. As far as I am concerned, if one life was saved, it's success. 

Success is result based. Ever since Tola's organization have operated in Guyana we have seen the suicide rate rising, we can assume zero impact. Today Guyana is at the 1 and 2 position as the country with the highest suicide rate per capita on two different rating systems.

We should not all be like cattle, afraid to question effectiveness and validity of these fly by night organizations because we are afraid to be labelled as politically incorrect. A lot of these groups are not held accountable, they hold fund raisers, solicit donations from businesses and individuals but offer no visibility into how the money is spent and what percent actually goes to help vulnerable people. In addition Tola was asked for years to provide this information about his organization but always found an excuse to dodge the questions. 

There is no evidence, nor can there be that would show that any lives were saved. What we can measure is from a holistic approach, the suicide rate over time. This is how the police measure crime fighting, pollution is measured etc. Why not suicide. 

How do you know the impact of the groups is zero? How do you know that the rate would not be higher without the groups?

Bai like yuh head hard, how can anyone prove that Tola prevented any suicide? You would need a time machine and two parallel universe to prove this. Run a parallel test with Tola's group involvement and one without then compare the results.  This is practically impossible. What we know for sure is that under Tola's tutelage the country suicide rate increased to the highest in the world. By inference one can surmise that he was ineffective. 

I haven't made any claims or accusations one way or the other. The impact of the organization would be evident from their records - very simple. Any dunce can see that the would have case files that can be perused. If they are working on cases that are suicidal then they're effective.

The question is, how do you know they're not? On what grounds are you accusing Tola of ineffectiveness? Or were you just experiencing another spasm of verbal diarrhea? You should seek medical assistance and stop these embarrassing posts. While you're at it, take the other idiots along. You might get a group rate from the doctor.

A
antabanta posted:

I haven't made any claims or accusations one way or the other. The impact of the organization would be evident from their records - very simple. Any dunce can see that the would have case files that can be perused. If they are working on cases that are suicidal then they're effective.

The question is, how do you know they're not? On what grounds are you accusing Tola of ineffectiveness? Or were you just experiencing another spasm of verbal diarrhea? You should seek medical assistance and stop these embarrassing posts. While you're at it, take the other idiots along. You might get a group rate from the doctor.

Nonsense, you must be related to Tola to go to such great lengths to defend his organization. The proof is in the pudding, the suicide rate in guyana is # 1 in the world, what other evidence do you need? Why would you put any credence in "records" from an organization tooting its own horn?  They could make up any nonsense and sell you pig in bag. Meanwhile the one truth that you and Tola can't refute is the police records of the # of suicides in Guyana and the WHO report and acknowledgement that Guyana is #1 suicide capitol in the world per capita. In fact Guyana so popular for suicide, which reflects Tola's ineffectiveness, that people take suicide vacations there. Remember the recent British woman, and the others that jumped off the Kaieteur?

FM
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

I haven't made any claims or accusations one way or the other. The impact of the organization would be evident from their records - very simple. Any dunce can see that the would have case files that can be perused. If they are working on cases that are suicidal then they're effective.

The question is, how do you know they're not? On what grounds are you accusing Tola of ineffectiveness? Or were you just experiencing another spasm of verbal diarrhea? You should seek medical assistance and stop these embarrassing posts. While you're at it, take the other idiots along. You might get a group rate from the doctor.

Nonsense, you must be related to Tola to go to such great lengths to defend his organization. The proof is in the pudding, the suicide rate in guyana is # 1 in the world, what other evidence do you need? Why would you put any credence in "records" from an organization tooting its own horn?  They could make up any nonsense and sell you pig in bag. Meanwhile the one truth that you and Tola can't refute is the police records of the # of suicides in Guyana and the WHO report and acknowledgement that Guyana is #1 suicide capitol in the world per capita. In fact Guyana so popular for suicide, which reflects Tola's ineffectiveness, that people take suicide vacations there. Remember the recent British woman, and the others that jumped off the Kaieteur?

Use some common sense. All you have to do is sit in the office and see who comes and goes. The fact is, as long as the organization has cases (people seeking help), then the organization is effective. Of course, it is probably too simple for you to consider that the rate of suicide, or the increase in the rate, is greater the suicide prevention organizations can handle. The increase in suicides reflects the dire situation in the country as opposed to the effectiveness of the organizations. The organizations can only counsel people, they cannot reduce the causes of suicide.

Tola is my brother. Me and he used to pitch marble together.

A
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Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

That is evidence of suicide, not evidence of the work of the organizations.

A
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

That is evidence of suicide, not evidence of the work of the organizations.

Anta,

you have a lot of patience with that fella.

Django
Django posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

That is evidence of suicide, not evidence of the work of the organizations.

Anta,

you have a lot of patience with that fella.

Them bais think they can wear you down with incessant BS. They lucky I don't have as much time as I did ten years ago.

A
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

That is evidence of suicide, not evidence of the work of the organizations.

To extrapolate, tell us how the police measure themselves on crime. How many crimes they investigate or the crime rate. As far as I have seen it is the crime rate going down that is tooted by the police organization, not how many investigations they did.  This is the same for suicide, not whether people come to them for help. There is no evidence that Tola ever helped anyone, the only evidence we have to go by is Guyana is # 1 in suicide per capita. 

FM
antabanta posted

Use some common sense. All you have to do is sit in the office and see who comes and goes. The fact is, as long as the organization has cases (people seeking help), then the organization is effective. Of course, it is probably too simple for you to consider that the rate of suicide, or the increase in the rate, is greater the suicide prevention organizations can handle. The increase in suicides reflects the dire situation in the country as opposed to the effectiveness of the organizations. The organizations can only counsel people, they cannot reduce the causes of suicide.

Tola is my brother. Me and he used to pitch marble together.

More nonsense, who knows they could be selling drugs out of the office for all we know. This is not a measure of effectiveness. Suicidal people don't normally go to an outreach in person because of the stigma attached to the disease, they would rather call a hotline and be anonymous. The increase in suicide reflects ineffective outreach such as Tola's organization. 

No wonder you try to defend Tola, you and he is buddy friend, so already you are biased in his favor. 

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

That is evidence of suicide, not evidence of the work of the organizations.

To extrapolate, tell us how the police measure themselves on crime. How many crimes they investigate or the crime rate. As far as I have seen it is the crime rate going down that is tooted by the police organization, not how many investigations they did.  This is the same for suicide, not whether people come to them for help. There is no evidence that Tola ever helped anyone, the only evidence we have to go by is Guyana is # 1 in suicide per capita. 

This is not only bull shit but also some square blocks mixed in from the fabulous GNI dankeybeer. 

Mitwah
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So in the absence of no evidence, you use obeah to know that they had no effect? Good perseverance. Perhaps one day you'll win one of the debates.

The evidence is provided, the WHO report proclaiming that Guyana as the #1 suicide capital of the world.  Irrefutable evidence even to the blind. 

That is evidence of suicide, not evidence of the work of the organizations.

To extrapolate, tell us how the police measure themselves on crime. How many crimes they investigate or the crime rate. As far as I have seen it is the crime rate going down that is tooted by the police organization, not how many investigations they did.  This is the same for suicide, not whether people come to them for help. There is no evidence that Tola ever helped anyone, the only evidence we have to go by is Guyana is # 1 in suicide per capita. 

How do you know there's no evidence that Tola helped anyone? Please present your investigation on his organization. One deterrent to crime is punishment. Another is prosperity. Which one of these do you think would have prevented Robin Williams' suicide? Tell us how suicide prevention organizations can reduce the causes of suicide.

A
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted

Use some common sense. All you have to do is sit in the office and see who comes and goes. The fact is, as long as the organization has cases (people seeking help), then the organization is effective. Of course, it is probably too simple for you to consider that the rate of suicide, or the increase in the rate, is greater the suicide prevention organizations can handle. The increase in suicides reflects the dire situation in the country as opposed to the effectiveness of the organizations. The organizations can only counsel people, they cannot reduce the causes of suicide.

Tola is my brother. Me and he used to pitch marble together.

More nonsense, who knows they could be selling drugs out of the office for all we know. This is not a measure of effectiveness. Suicidal people don't normally go to an outreach in person because of the stigma attached to the disease, they would rather call a hotline and be anonymous. The increase in suicide reflects ineffective outreach such as Tola's organization. 

No wonder you try to defend Tola, you and he is buddy friend, so already you are biased in his favor. 

So you're saying we can measure the phone calls? Don't be jealous of my relationship with Tola, it is irrelevant. Have you somehow extrapolated that Tola's organization is one of the causes of suicide? It is amusing how you manage to insert that little negative insinuation about drugs. Very sly.

A

The reason DRUGGIE comes up with these accusations is because that is how he operates..seems its all he knows.. he speaks from experience when he talks about drugs...crime...slopcans...being drilled by huge Baigans etc

cain
antabanta posted:

How do you know there's no evidence that Tola helped anyone? Please present your investigation on his organization. One deterrent to crime is punishment. Another is prosperity. Which one of these do you think would have prevented Robin Williams' suicide? Tell us how suicide prevention organizations can reduce the causes of suicide.

I repeat again, there is no evidence that Tola ever prevented a suicide. What is evident is that his organization's work had adverse impact on Guyana's suicide rate. From this fact we can extrapolate that there were ineffective, only collecting donations and have no hard data to show that they made a difference. Not even a photo of them cutting a rope to save a hanging person or knocking a bottle of malathion from a victim's mouth. 

FM
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Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

How do you know there's no evidence that Tola helped anyone? Please present your investigation on his organization. One deterrent to crime is punishment. Another is prosperity. Which one of these do you think would have prevented Robin Williams' suicide? Tell us how suicide prevention organizations can reduce the causes of suicide.

I repeat again, there is no evidence that Tola ever prevented a suicide. What is evident is that his organization's work had adverse impact on Guyana's suicide rate. From this fact we can extrapolate that there were ineffective, only collecting donations and have no hard data to show that they made a difference. Not even a photo of them cutting a rope to save a hanging person or knocking a bottle of malathion from a victim's mouth. 

On what then is your accusation based? You stated "Looks like Tola's organization is not doing such a good job..." and "who knows they could be selling drugs out of the office for all we know..." Lacking evidence of their operational effectiveness, are these accusations based on brain farts?

How is it evident that his organization's work had adverse impact on Guyana's suicide rate? Please provide us the data from your detailed or cursory studies that shows a direct correlation between the actions of the organization and suicides.

A
antabanta posted:

So you're saying we can measure the phone calls? Don't be jealous of my relationship with Tola, it is irrelevant. Have you somehow extrapolated that Tola's organization is one of the causes of suicide? It is amusing how you manage to insert that little negative insinuation about drugs. Very sly.

If you genuinely wanted to know about measuring Suicide Prevention program, you should read this link.  Nowhere does it mention phone calls, organization data as part of the criteria. I suspect you are not interested in the details as your motive is to protect your marble playing buddy who might be enriching himself at the expense of our most vulnerable members of society. 

http://www.health.gov.au/inter...llenges-of-measuring

FM
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Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

So you're saying we can measure the phone calls? Don't be jealous of my relationship with Tola, it is irrelevant. Have you somehow extrapolated that Tola's organization is one of the causes of suicide? It is amusing how you manage to insert that little negative insinuation about drugs. Very sly.

If you genuinely wanted to know about measuring Suicide Prevention program, you should read this link.  Nowhere does it mention phone calls, organization data as part of the criteria. I suspect you are not interested in the details as your motive is to protect your marble playing buddy who might be enriching himself at the expense of our most vulnerable members of society. 

http://www.health.gov.au/inter...llenges-of-measuring

 You have me cracking up. The sweet thing about Google is that people who offer links to material that they do not read really make fools of themselves. I bet my bottom dollar that you did not read that material. Or, if you read it, you did not understand it.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

A
antabanta posted:

 You have me cracking up. The sweet thing about Google is that people who offer links to material that they do not read really make fools of themselves. I bet my bottom dollar that you did not read that material. Or, if you read it, you did not understand it.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

Ineffective at best, at worst they encouraged more suicide. I would suggest that they get out of Guyana. As doctors say, it is better to do no harm. The #1 ranking of Guyana as suicide capital of the world is all the evidence that is needed to proclaim that Tola and company are ineffective. Case records don't mean squat if the statistics is not in their favor.  

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

 You have me cracking up. The sweet thing about Google is that people who offer links to material that they do not read really make fools of themselves. I bet my bottom dollar that you did not read that material. Or, if you read it, you did not understand it.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

Ineffective at best, at worst they encouraged more suicide. I would suggest that they get out of Guyana. As doctors say, it is better to do no harm. The #1 ranking of Guyana as suicide capital of the world is all the evidence that is needed to proclaim that Tola and company are ineffective. Case records don't mean squat if the statistics is not in their favor.  

You are a jackass hence the asinine comment. Can you imagine what the volume would have been if his team did not do some work? You are a useless brayer, and naysayer. Unlike you, Tola is a doer and he doesn't boast about his works.

 I don't see your name on the roster to run on Oct 18th in Maplewood for suicide prevention. Drugb 

Mitwah

Druggie your claim that the suicide prevention group ( I.E Tola's ) is not nor has ever been effective, but yet you have not displayed any solutions to this epidemic that plagues not only Guyana. Is it because you neither have a solution for this dilemma or even capable of coming up with anything constructive, I gather your dilemma is your mediocre disposition of reasoning.         

ball
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

 You have me cracking up. The sweet thing about Google is that people who offer links to material that they do not read really make fools of themselves. I bet my bottom dollar that you did not read that material. Or, if you read it, you did not understand it.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

Ineffective at best, at worst they encouraged more suicide. I would suggest that they get out of Guyana. As doctors say, it is better to do no harm. The #1 ranking of Guyana as suicide capital of the world is all the evidence that is needed to proclaim that Tola and company are ineffective. Case records don't mean squat if the statistics is not in their favor.  

Control your verbal diarrhea and respond:

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

A
yuji22 posted:

Tola should keep Anta and Mitwah on the suicide list. I know that Mitwah has a lot of issues that I cannot reveal here at GNI. It was a shocking revelation.

Looks like the "XX Chromosome" taking over,

it's never too late,seek help,also take Drugb with you.

Django
antabanta posted:

Control your verbal diarrhea and respond:

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

My argument is that Tola's organization is ineffective in Guyana evidenced by Guyana's #1 ranking as suicide capital of the world. Address the suicide rate and the effect that Tola has on it and the we can move on from there. Don't bring up fictitious suicide case, the organization is not a hospital to have suicide cases. No one in Guyana are singing their praises, there is zero testimonial about their effectiveness in the press. In fact Baseman called out Tola to present transparency on the organization and he duck behind a bush. 

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Control your verbal diarrhea and respond:

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

My argument is that Tola's organization is ineffective in Guyana evidenced by Guyana's #1 ranking as suicide capital of the world. Address the suicide rate and the effect that Tola has on it and the we can move on from there. Don't bring up fictitious suicide case, the organization is not a hospital to have suicide cases. No one in Guyana are singing their praises, there is zero testimonial about their effectiveness in the press. In fact Baseman called out Tola to present transparency on the organization and he duck behind a bush. 

You still haven't read the material in the link you so cunningly posted, did you?

People who display a mental disposition towards suicide go to hospitals? People who contemplate suicide out of depression and frustration or grief or loss go to hospitals? Which planet are you on? Please provide the reports of no one is singing them praises. Please provide a report on the investigation on their operations.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

A
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

Tola should keep Anta and Mitwah on the suicide list. I know that Mitwah has a lot of issues that I cannot reveal here at GNI. It was a shocking revelation.

Looks like the "XX Chromosome" taking over,

it's never too late,seek help,also take Drugb with you.

The PPP and the Rat must be ecstatic to have these dumb supporters who are perfect to manipulate.

A
antabanta posted

You still haven't read the material in the link you so cunningly posted, did you?

People who display a mental disposition towards suicide go to hospitals? People who contemplate suicide out of depression and frustration or grief or loss go to hospitals? Which planet are you on? Please provide the reports of no one is singing them praises. Please provide a report on the investigation on their operations.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

Incorrect, the first stop is parents, friends and family. The next stop is to a psychiatrist/doctor who would prescribe anti depressants etc.  That is why these fly by night organizations can hardly get funding to run their business as there is no evidence that they make a difference, nor can they prove it. That is why Tola can find no one in Guyana to sing his praise. They only take donations and don't have results to show. Its a scam. 

FM
cain posted:

What a jealous, miserable person. Termites musbe eating away at that goady nuh baie?

You disagree that the measure of Tola's success it the suicide rate going down? You are willing to accept that he is effective and should be given additional funds with no accountability? 

FM

Facts are facts and Tola should step forward and post some of his achievements, this will clear up any misunderstanding. Until then, posters will continue to question his role and contribution in Guyana.

There is no harm in naming organizations after all, people can step forward and assist.

GNI has some very wealthy individuals who keep a very low profile.

FM
cain posted:

Seeing you know everything just as Trump does...How much funding and assistance did Tola's organization receive?

Baseman asked multiple times but Tola duck and hide behind a latrine, maybe he even fell in.  Tola should not come on this side and boast of what he did if he can't provide the evidence of his claims. 

FM
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

Seeing you know everything just as Trump does...How much funding and assistance did Tola's organization receive?

Baseman asked multiple times but Tola duck and hide behind a latrine, maybe he even fell in.  Tola should not come on this side and boast of what he did if he can't provide the evidence of his claims. 

Keep on masturbating then GFY. 

Mitwah
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted

You still haven't read the material in the link you so cunningly posted, did you?

People who display a mental disposition towards suicide go to hospitals? People who contemplate suicide out of depression and frustration or grief or loss go to hospitals? Which planet are you on? Please provide the reports of no one is singing them praises. Please provide a report on the investigation on their operations.

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

Incorrect, the first stop is parents, friends and family. The next stop is to a psychiatrist/doctor who would prescribe anti depressants etc.  That is why these fly by night organizations can hardly get funding to run their business as there is no evidence that they make a difference, nor can they prove it. That is why Tola can find no one in Guyana to sing his praise. They only take donations and don't have results to show. Its a scam. 

Because to your knowledge all the miserably poor people who tend more towards suicide can afford psychiatrists and said psychiatrists have relentless campaign to educate the general public and caution and counsel them towards better mental health, free of charge?

Please provide a report of your investigations that shows it's a scam.

Suicide cases do not go to their friends and family for help. Many of them threaten suicide without asking for help then carry out the threat. Again, which planet are you on?

Please tell us how you know that Tola's organization has had no effect on those people with suicide tendencies with whom the organization has had contact.

Which of the cases the organization has managed did still commit suicide?

How many people who have read or heard educational or counseling material provided by the organization still committed suicide?

Which of the targeted prevention activities of the organization have failed?

A
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

What a jealous, miserable person. Termites musbe eating away at that goady nuh baie?

You disagree that the measure of Tola's success it the suicide rate going down? You are willing to accept that he is effective and should be given additional funds with no accountability? 

Why do you assume there is no accountability?

A
Mitwah posted:
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

Seeing you know everything just as Trump does...How much funding and assistance did Tola's organization receive?

Baseman asked multiple times but Tola duck and hide behind a latrine, maybe he even fell in.  Tola should not come on this side and boast of what he did if he can't provide the evidence of his claims. 

Keep on masturbating then GFY. 

Shame on you Mitwah for using this type of language in a forum that has rules.

FM
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

What a jealous, miserable person. Termites musbe eating away at that goady nuh baie?

You disagree that the measure of Tola's success it the suicide rate going down? You are willing to accept that he is effective and should be given additional funds with no accountability? 

Why do you assume there is no accountability?

Please provide the name of Tola's organization and I will provide all evidence. 

FM
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

What a jealous, miserable person. Termites musbe eating away at that goady nuh baie?

You disagree that the measure of Tola's success it the suicide rate going down? You are willing to accept that he is effective and should be given additional funds with no accountability? 

Why do you assume there is no accountability?

Please provide the name of Tola's organization and I will provide all evidence. 

Now you admit your ignorance; and it explains your alternative facts. 

Mitwah

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