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FM
Former Member

STABROEK NEWS, MAY 12 

Dear Editor,

The race is on early for a presidential candidate for the PPP in the 2020 general and regional elections. It is touted already that there is serious infighting going on within the party leadership and among rank and file members as to who that person should be. As a Marxist-Leninist party, the PPP has supported opportunism both of the right and the left and has been charged with race-baiting at every recent election.

At the moment there are two front-runners for the presidency: Clement Rohee and Bharrat Jagdeo.  During internal voting there has always been confrontation between the Ex-Co and Central Executive members because of hand-picking. This is where Jagdeo will continue to be favoured because the executive members are afraid to vote against him for fear of being marginalized within the party superstructure. In the past comrades had an idea how the party machine and the bureaucracy operated.

This kind of policy inevitably would lead to disagreement with the young leaders in the party who will never stand a chance of becoming president or holding a top position. There are many young and vibrant leaders who deserve a shot at the presidency. It has been reported that at every congress there was extensive fraud to keep certain comrades from becoming members of the Central Executive Committee. There is a growing belief that internal voting is so manipulated as to make change impossible. If this becomes true, democracy in the party is finished.

The party when in government treated its members and supporters badly, and now it is out of government it wants those same members and supporters to vote for them come 2020. My gut feeling is that no one will ever go back with them. Some ministers were so big you couldn’t talk  to them, although you were rubbing shoulders with them on political platforms and in bottom house meetings; no one forgets these things easily. I myself had a horrible experience with one of the persons running for the presidency. He was a minister in the previous administration, and I called his phone to report a security matter which was endangering my life; he told me bluntly not to ever call him again at his home or office.

These were the kinds of comrades who when out of power knew you, but when they assumed power they treated you worse than a dog. That party has a lot of soul-searching to do; they took their Indian supporters for granted, and they felt that they would be there forever, so they were doing all sorts of things to hurt their own people, not knowing that one day those same people would turn against them and vote them out of office. Dr Jagan told me at a meeting that in a democratic country, a government can lose its power anytime if it does not treat its supporters well. It doesn’t mean you have to give them everything; all you do is hug and talk to them kindly.

Dr Jagan and LFS Burnham were smart and brilliant politicians; they knew how to keep their supporters behind them, not like this crop of politicians today who only think about themselves and their families. The PPP will have to go back to the drawing board and see why they lost two successive elections under Donald Ramotar and how they can correct those mistakes. The strength of a national democracy resides with the people and their institutions, and it is any party’s duty to harness this strength if they want to win elections and stay in power.

Yours faithfully,

Mohamed Khan

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"At the moment there are two front-runners for the presidency: Clement Rohee and Bharrat Jagdeo.  During internal voting there has always been confrontation between the Ex-Co and Central Executive members because of hand-picking. This is where Jagdeo will continue to be favoured because the executive members are afraid to vote against him for fear of being marginalized within the party superstructure. In the past comrades had an idea how the party machine and the bureaucracy operated."


Here is my take the PPP will loose the General Elections if the presidential candidates are Rohee and Jagdeo [is Jagdeo trying to sneak in thru the backdoor]

Django

And what makes your analysis correct? Because you agree with Mohammed Khan, or because you have a clearer crystal ball or because you have been parroting a lot of inane statement by others. (Since you say you do not support any political party)

get real! The elections are years away and things can change, we might get another third force instead of the AFC fraud of a third force we currently have, the PNC might decide to run alone because they see the other small parties and the AFC as not bringing much political support, a new leader other that Rohee or Jagdeo might emerge in the PPP. Granger might be out of the picture and Harmon in, Williams or Trottman might give him competition, the AFC might split, etc. 

Z
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Banna ,your analysis is wrong.

Why? We see you supporting the train wreck policies of the administration and you are telling us that you are not a PNC man? It's like Carib telling us he is not a PNC supporter. Please don't be economical with the truth.

FM
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Unless the PPP plans to rig the elections in 2020, I suggest that you learn to care about what others think of them.

1. Not every Indian is a PPP slave, and the PPPs disastrous performance in the last LGE in G/T suggests that they have lost a big chunk of the Indians who live there.

2.  Lacking incumbency, the PPP will not be able to bribe tochaos. Daily we see that Granger is outreaching to that group, even as he neglects his own base.

3. The Indian population is declining, so there will be even fewer Indian voters in 2020 than there were in 2015.

4.  The PPPs previously covert anti black racism has become very overt.  They will not be able to bribe or intimidate the few blacks votes that they got, when they threatened blacks who received house lots that these would be taken from them if they didn't vote PPP.

 

The only hope that the PPP has, in its current form, is if the coalition gov't remains as signally incompetent as it currently is, forcing its base to stay home.

FM
Zed posted:

And what makes your analysis correct?

He can analyze, based on current facts. The rest is pure conjecture.

FACT. No third force is going to exist once the monster of racial insecurity remains. 

With the PPP screaming "blackman a kill ahbe", that they are a "coolie people party, who are consolidating the East Indian base", and also continuing the whisper campaign about the savage and violent "blackman", they will not win non Indian support.

And blacks/mixed will flock to which ever entity that protects them against that racist beast.

FACT.  Jagdeo owns the PPP.

FACT. Previous covertly racist against blacks, for some unknown reason, the PPP decides to now become overtly hostile to blacks.

FACT. Given the current demographics, unless the PPP changes its attitude, their future is grim. 

In fact its this increasingly overt anti black racism that pours out of Jagdeo's mouth that is the thread which holds the coalition gov't together. All they need to remind people, who now dislike them, is that the monstrous racist ogre is even WORSE!

I see no indication that the PPP has learned its lesson and that it plans to reform itself.

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Banna ,your analysis is wrong.

Why? We see you supporting the train wreck policies of the administration and you are telling us that you are not a PNC man? It's like Carib telling us he is not a PNC supporter. Please don't be economical with the truth.

Skelly, you're using fancy phrase now!!! Warria would be proud of you. 

FM
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Unless the PPP plans to rig the elections in 2020, I suggest that you learn to care about what others think of them.

1. Not every Indian is a PPP slave, and the PPPs disastrous performance in the last LGE in G/T suggests that they have lost a big chunk of the Indians who live there.

2.  Lacking incumbency, the PPP will not be able to bribe tochaos. Daily we see that Granger is outreaching to that group, even as he neglects his own base.

3. The Indian population is declining, so there will be even fewer Indian voters in 2020 than there were in 2015.

4.  The PPPs previously covert anti black racism has become very overt.  They will not be able to bribe or intimidate the few blacks votes that they got, when they threatened blacks who received house lots that these would be taken from them if they didn't vote PPP.

 

The only hope that the PPP has, in its current form, is if the coalition gov't remains as signally incompetent as it currently is, forcing its base to stay home.

Carib, you remind me so much of Cheddi Jagan. Week after week, month after month, year after year, he found it necessary to repeat himself to his supporters at public meetings throughout Guyana. Even Indians had told me "Jagan like a stuck LP record" but I thought otherwise. You see, Jagan knew the psychology of his supporters and he had the patience of a tortoise to keep drumming the same political points in their brains repeatedly. You're a man of patience and persistence, Carib. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Unless the PPP plans to rig the elections in 2020, I suggest that you learn to care about what others think of them.

1. Not every Indian is a PPP slave, and the PPPs disastrous performance in the last LGE in G/T suggests that they have lost a big chunk of the Indians who live there.

2.  Lacking incumbency, the PPP will not be able to bribe tochaos. Daily we see that Granger is outreaching to that group, even as he neglects his own base.

3. The Indian population is declining, so there will be even fewer Indian voters in 2020 than there were in 2015.

4.  The PPPs previously covert anti black racism has become very overt.  They will not be able to bribe or intimidate the few blacks votes that they got, when they threatened blacks who received house lots that these would be taken from them if they didn't vote PPP.

 

The only hope that the PPP has, in its current form, is if the coalition gov't remains as signally incompetent as it currently is, forcing its base to stay home.

Carib, you remind me so much of Cheddi Jagan. Week after week, month after month, year after year, he found it necessary to repeat himself to his supporters at public meetings throughout Guyana. Even Indians had told me "Jagan like a stuck LP record" but I thought otherwise. You see, Jagan knew the psychology of his supporters and he had the patience of a tortoise to keep drumming the same political points in their brains repeatedly. You're a man of patience and persistence, Carib. 

"By 2020 the death of Indians and emigration will cause PNC boys to WIN the election again."

Bibi Haniffa
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Unless the PPP plans to rig the elections in 2020, I suggest that you learn to care about what others think of them.

1. Not every Indian is a PPP slave, and the PPPs disastrous performance in the last LGE in G/T suggests that they have lost a big chunk of the Indians who live there.

2.  Lacking incumbency, the PPP will not be able to bribe tochaos. Daily we see that Granger is outreaching to that group, even as he neglects his own base.

3. The Indian population is declining, so there will be even fewer Indian voters in 2020 than there were in 2015.

4.  The PPPs previously covert anti black racism has become very overt.  They will not be able to bribe or intimidate the few blacks votes that they got, when they threatened blacks who received house lots that these would be taken from them if they didn't vote PPP.

 

The only hope that the PPP has, in its current form, is if the coalition gov't remains as signally incompetent as it currently is, forcing its base to stay home.

Carib, you remind me so much of Cheddi Jagan. Week after week, month after month, year after year, he found it necessary to repeat himself to his supporters at public meetings throughout Guyana. Even Indians had told me "Jagan like a stuck LP record" but I thought otherwise. You see, Jagan knew the psychology of his supporters and he had the patience of a tortoise to keep drumming the same political points in their brains repeatedly. You're a man of patience and persistence, Carib. 

Looks like a love fest between imbicles.

FM
Drugb posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:

Who cares about your take ?

You are a PNC man and please, don't tell us that you do not support any party because your position on GNI is quite obvious.

Unless the PPP plans to rig the elections in 2020, I suggest that you learn to care about what others think of them.

1. Not every Indian is a PPP slave, and the PPPs disastrous performance in the last LGE in G/T suggests that they have lost a big chunk of the Indians who live there.

2.  Lacking incumbency, the PPP will not be able to bribe tochaos. Daily we see that Granger is outreaching to that group, even as he neglects his own base.

3. The Indian population is declining, so there will be even fewer Indian voters in 2020 than there were in 2015.

4.  The PPPs previously covert anti black racism has become very overt.  They will not be able to bribe or intimidate the few blacks votes that they got, when they threatened blacks who received house lots that these would be taken from them if they didn't vote PPP.

 

The only hope that the PPP has, in its current form, is if the coalition gov't remains as signally incompetent as it currently is, forcing its base to stay home.

Carib, you remind me so much of Cheddi Jagan. Week after week, month after month, year after year, he found it necessary to repeat himself to his supporters at public meetings throughout Guyana. Even Indians had told me "Jagan like a stuck LP record" but I thought otherwise. You see, Jagan knew the psychology of his supporters and he had the patience of a tortoise to keep drumming the same political points in their brains repeatedly. You're a man of patience and persistence, Carib. 

Looks like a love fest between imbicles.

Let's all bow down and worship Emperor Haile Carib and his inner circle.

FM

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