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Re post of a response on this thread. It needs its own space.

 

The ideological space for racial bigotry is reserved space by Indians. Lets get one fact to the fore. No one has taboos about miscegenation or fear race mixing or loudly insist others are intent on sexually subjugating their women via National service of on entry into the security services.

 

No other group loudly proclaim their supreme aptitude for business or management or for doing whatever needs to be done as vociferously as Indians. On that account alone they shout down  others for even attempting those offices. This is the reality, the bedrock of a belief system that is firmly implanted in the minds of many Indians and inculcated generationally while discounting the real history of origins. Indians conveniently forget they were the oppressed subaltern, backward status over centuries in their home world. They forget the very things the scream from the roof top " black people incompetency" was religion in Indian and they were its footstool!

 

There is something psychologically damaging to the above legacy and it manifests itself in all sorts of pathologies in our community. It is the reason the political ideological space of the PPP party locates its support in the Indian community and builds its philosophy of right to rule. It centers itself on the unspoken presumptions that their latent competencies means governing the state as a genetic inheritance from their Caucasian brothers idea of the "white man's burden". It is easy for an Indian to shout and feel validated to the core that "black man" or buck man" cannot do anything. It is a natural as sneezing to many.

 

This entire malignant campaign of disunity presently being orchestrated via Ravi dev Through the Guyana times is on massaging that disease in the Indian community. The claims of reverse racism is  its natural disguise.  Granger stole office he did not win it. Granger cannot govern well because he has natural limitations. The perilous state the nation is in is not a legacy of the PPP corruption. That is conveniently forgotten because Indians cannot be corrupt...only wise!  It is a convenient lie we have to tell ourselves otherwise our belief system that we are the best will become completely destabilized.  The state is not in the terrible bankrupt condition because of Indian sealing over 23 years. It is a consequence of a  black man in office just barely over a 100 days!

 

And how dare Nagamotto insist he is Guyanese and not Indian at the GOPIO conference!  They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

The Guyana Times, built of the loot from the state is now guided by the quintessential Indian racist Ravi Dev about black racism. This is the man who wanted to create two Indian only states in Bebice and Essequibo and a black state in Demerara while lumping the Native peoples in land locked Rupunini and think it is a fair deal. This is the man who just made a speech in India with the full authority of the Minister of Finance that Guyana is a place for Indians and ready for Indians in India to come and become rich.

 

My hope is Granger is not goaded by these racist bitches into reacting negatively. Black racism as Amerindian is always reactive. It is time to be proactive an be a fair ruler. There are enough good people among the Indian community who will not be swayed by this malice of the racist crowd that his government means black people is out to get them. It is time we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward without the reliance of good people from whatever ethnic group to fill positions and work for a common end.

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I would like the socalled moderate Indians like VVP, VishMahabir, TK, Chief, and Kari to comment on this.

 

It is this perspective which explains the root of the African insecurity dilemma, which is 50% of the reason for our ethnic morass.  Of course that ethnic insecurity also contributing to the Indian ethnic insecurity.

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

BULLSHIT!!!  

 

we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward

Why is this bullshit? First, you quoted him incorrectly. He wants to move AWAY from a racial hegemony! He wants merit over nepotism, competence over friends and family! Suh all dis is a bad ting, eh? Alyuh ignars iz really really a backward bunch of people.

 

Or are you just too bloody stupid and dunce to understand what he's saying? If so, then stick to baking bara!

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Nehru:

BULLSHIT!!!  

 

we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward

Why don't you give up bitching about nothing? You don't know how to quote, and don't know how to answer. Now, here is the proper quote, quite a difference is it not?

 

"It is time we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward without the reliance of good people from whatever ethnic group to fill positions and work for a common end."

cain
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

BULLSHIT!!!  

 

we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward

Why is this bullshit? First, you quoted him incorrectly. He wants to move AWAY from a racial hegemony! He wants merit over nepotism, competence over friends and family! Suh all dis is a bad ting, eh? Alyuh ignars iz really really a backward bunch of people.

 

Or are you just too bloody stupid and dunce to understand what he's saying? If so, then stick to baking bara!

Really??  You are indeed an ASS!!!!!!

Nehru
Originally Posted by Nehru:
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by Nehru:

BULLSHIT!!!  

 

we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward

Why is this bullshit? First, you quoted him incorrectly. He wants to move AWAY from a racial hegemony! He wants merit over nepotism, competence over friends and family! Suh all dis is a bad ting, eh? Alyuh ignars iz really really a backward bunch of people.

 

Or are you just too bloody stupid and dunce to understand what he's saying? If so, then stick to baking bara!

Really??  You are indeed an ASS!!!!!!

Yes, really. You are a stupid skont hole! You clearly don't understand that a hegemony means racial domination! Danyael wants away from that. He wants people promoted and appointed on the basis of their ability (merit and competence) versus knowing friends, family or having connections.

 

Why is that bullshit, you DUNCE!!!!! Or is it that you want racial domination by Indians and a continuance of them putting only their indian friends and family in positions? DUNCE!!!!

FM
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

without the reliance of good people. 

 

now a question.

 

What constitutes a good person? 

And here's a question that has NOTHING to do with this thread, thrown in with the express purpose of derailing it. Not worthy of any further response from anyone!

R u ****ing stupid?

S
Originally Posted by caribny:

I would like the socalled moderate Indians like VVP, VishMahabir, TK, Chief, and Kari to comment on this.

 

It is this perspective which explains the root of the African insecurity dilemma, which is 50% of the reason for our ethnic morass.  Of course that ethnic insecurity also contributing to the Indian ethnic insecurity.

I will comment on this issue in Stabroek News using the rigid smell test of economic methodology. For now you, Ravi Dev, Freddie Kissoon and the lot at IAC carry on...my smell test is at another level. Stay tuned...

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:

I would like the socalled moderate Indians like VVP, VishMahabir, TK, Chief, and Kari to comment on this.

 

It is this perspective which explains the root of the African insecurity dilemma, which is 50% of the reason for our ethnic morass.  Of course that ethnic insecurity also contributing to the Indian ethnic insecurity.

I will comment on this issue in Stabroek News using the rigid smell test of economic methodology. For now you, Ravi Dev, Freddie Kissoon and the lot at IAC carry on...my smell test is at another level. Stay tuned...

That pic you usin got a nice nose for some good sniffin'

cain
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:

I would like the socalled moderate Indians like VVP, VishMahabir, TK, Chief, and Kari to comment on this.

 

It is this perspective which explains the root of the African insecurity dilemma, which is 50% of the reason for our ethnic morass.  Of course that ethnic insecurity also contributing to the Indian ethnic insecurity.

I will comment on this issue in Stabroek News using the rigid smell test of economic methodology. For now you, Ravi Dev, Freddie Kissoon and the lot at IAC carry on...my smell test is at another level. Stay tuned...

That pic you usin got a nice nose for some good sniffin'

Yo watch it that's Mark Twain.

Django

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Last edited by Billy Ram Balgobin
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

Who wrote the article? I thought D2 posted from another source.

S
Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:

I would like the socalled moderate Indians like VVP, VishMahabir, TK, Chief, and Kari to comment on this.

 

It is this perspective which explains the root of the African insecurity dilemma, which is 50% of the reason for our ethnic morass.  Of course that ethnic insecurity also contributing to the Indian ethnic insecurity.

I will comment on this issue in Stabroek News using the rigid smell test of economic methodology. For now you, Ravi Dev, Freddie Kissoon and the lot at IAC carry on...my smell test is at another level. Stay tuned...

That pic you usin got a nice nose for some good sniffin'

He He He...Cain, the banna meditating man

V
Last edited by VishMahabir
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

You are arguing what was never proposed. I never denied casteism in other cultures. I spoke to our casteism and its expression among retrabalized indians in Guyana. Do not get angry with my use of the term tribalism. I am being precise. Out of the domms, the dossas, the lohars the pillars the chamars the danglyars and at least a dozen more tribe comes the Guyanese Indian.

 

What does Africans never being a unity or whatever? India is also a recent construct as is the entire world. As for the the hierarchical nature of most societies...where have I disputed that? Lets not get adrift because India is itself a sore on the backside of the planet for many reasons no less than other places. My focus is not on India bur the Guyanese.

 

Read my post, take it apart sentence by sentence and focus on Africans and Indians as Guyanese. Other than that you would be wasting my time.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

Who wrote the article? I thought D2 posted from another source.

I did....this personality does not know any D2...check my wings...I am not even a dragon.  I am an archangel!

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

Who wrote the article? I thought D2 posted from another source.

I did....this personality does not know any D2...check my wings...I am not even a dragon.  I am an archangel!

 

Suh, yuh nah D2. Okay.

 

But in the Book of Enoch, Danyael was a fallen angel. There were only 7 Archangels-have to recheck the names in the book.

 

Now, that I have ur attention. It appears from ur commentary, all that is needed to solve the issue in Guyana are good people. I agree.

 

How a good person determined?

 

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

Who wrote the article? I thought D2 posted from another source.

I did....this personality does not know any D2...check my wings...I am not even a dragon.  I am an archangel!

 

Suh, yuh nah D2. Okay.

 

But in the Book of Enoch, Danyael was a fallen angel. There were only 7 Archangels-have to recheck the names in the book.

 

Now, that I have ur attention. It appears from ur commentary, all that is needed to solve the issue in Guyana are good people. I agree.

 

How a good person determined?

 

I aint fall from nowhere. Me and my buddy Uriel drinking beer here. Raphael on his lute as usual

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Re post of a response on this thread. It needs its own space.

 

The ideological space for racial bigotry is reserved space by Indians. Lets get one fact to the fore. No one has taboos about miscegenation or fear race mixing or loudly insist others are intent on sexually subjugating their women via National service of on entry into the security services.

 

No other group loudly proclaim their supreme aptitude for business or management or for doing whatever needs to be done as vociferously as Indians. On that account alone they shout down  others for even attempting those offices. This is the reality, the bedrock of a belief system that is firmly implanted in the minds of many Indians and inculcated generationally while discounting the real history of origins. Indians conveniently forget they were the oppressed subaltern, backward status over centuries in their home world. They forget the very things the scream from the roof top " black people incompetency" was religion in Indian and they were its footstool!

 

There is something psychologically damaging to the above legacy and it manifests itself in all sorts of pathologies in our community. It is the reason the political ideological space of the PPP party locates its support in the Indian community and builds its philosophy of right to rule. It centers itself on the unspoken presumptions that their latent competencies means governing the state as a genetic inheritance from their Caucasian brothers idea of the "white man's burden". It is easy for an Indian to shout and feel validated to the core that "black man" or buck man" cannot do anything. It is a natural as sneezing to many.

 

This entire malignant campaign of disunity presently being orchestrated via Ravi dev Through the Guyana times is on massaging that disease in the Indian community. The claims of reverse racism is  its natural disguise.  Granger stole office he did not win it. Granger cannot govern well because he has natural limitations. The perilous state the nation is in is not a legacy of the PPP corruption. That is conveniently forgotten because Indians cannot be corrupt...only wise!  It is a convenient lie we have to tell ourselves otherwise our belief system that we are the best will become completely destabilized.  The state is not in the terrible bankrupt condition because of Indian sealing over 23 years. It is a consequence of a  black man in office just barely over a 100 days!

 

And how dare Nagamotto insist he is Guyanese and not Indian at the GOPIO conference!  They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

The Guyana Times, built of the loot from the state is now guided by the quintessential Indian racist Ravi Dev about black racism. This is the man who wanted to create two Indian only states in Bebice and Essequibo and a black state in Demerara while lumping the Native peoples in land locked Rupunini and think it is a fair deal. This is the man who just made a speech in India with the full authority of the Minister of Finance that Guyana is a place for Indians and ready for Indians in India to come and become rich.

 

My hope is Granger is not goaded by these racist bitches into reacting negatively. Black racism as Amerindian is always reactive. It is time to be proactive an be a fair ruler. There are enough good people among the Indian community who will not be swayed by this malice of the racist crowd that his government means black people is out to get them. It is time we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward without the reliance of good people from whatever ethnic group to fill positions and work for a common end.

You blaming Ravi Dev and Guyana Times for all of Guyana's racial problems?. You are missing your marbles! This is garbage...both of them did not exist when the country became divided before independence. Also, you are patronizing the coalition as if their hands are clean and they represent a unity government. You seem to also forget the 28 years. This is not an analysis...its your anecdotal and lunatic notions of all Indians are guilty. This kind of BS provides fodder for the likes of Carib, Redux and Itaname.

 

Carib, I am surprised you falling for this nonsense. 

V
Last edited by VishMahabir
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:

That's all rubbish you wrote.  Discrimination by Indians against Indians in India's ancient caste society was little or no different from discrimination in Europe, China, or Africa. There was always a ruling class in these societies and there will always be one. The British discriminated against Catholics and other white folks whom they considered their inferiors. Ask our Portugese brethens how come they were indentured by the British when they were white and European. Ask why so many violent tribal wars in Africa that tearing the continent apart. Africans don't see themselves as Africans. Stop kidding yourself if you believe that. Tribalism and nationalism rule supreme in Africa. Their society is still hierarchical and violent. Discrimination against other tribes is rampant and at times extremely violent.

India is not perfect but it has always been an ordered society but peaceful. The caste system is dying. The gov't. of India has been fighting it for decades to end discrimination.

Who wrote the article? I thought D2 posted from another source.

I did....this personality does not know any D2...check my wings...I am not even a dragon.  I am an archangel!

 

Suh, yuh nah D2. Okay.

 

But in the Book of Enoch, Danyael was a fallen angel. There were only 7 Archangels-have to recheck the names in the book.

 

Now, that I have ur attention. It appears from ur commentary, all that is needed to solve the issue in Guyana are good people. I agree.

 

How a good person determined?

 

I aint fall from nowhere. Me and my buddy Uriel drinking beer here. Raphael on his lute as usual

Okay, I am smiling. U had a read of the book.

 

Now, to the Queston.

S
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Re post of a response on this thread. It needs its own space.

 

The ideological space for racial bigotry is reserved space by Indians. Lets get one fact to the fore. No one has taboos about miscegenation or fear race mixing or loudly insist others are intent on sexually subjugating their women via National service of on entry into the security services.

 

No other group loudly proclaim their supreme aptitude for business or management or for doing whatever needs to be done as vociferously as Indians. On that account alone they shout down  others for even attempting those offices. This is the reality, the bedrock of a belief system that is firmly implanted in the minds of many Indians and inculcated generationally while discounting the real history of origins. Indians conveniently forget they were the oppressed subaltern, backward status over centuries in their home world. They forget the very things the scream from the roof top " black people incompetency" was religion in Indian and they were its footstool!

 

There is something psychologically damaging to the above legacy and it manifests itself in all sorts of pathologies in our community. It is the reason the political ideological space of the PPP party locates its support in the Indian community and builds its philosophy of right to rule. It centers itself on the unspoken presumptions that their latent competencies means governing the state as a genetic inheritance from their Caucasian brothers idea of the "white man's burden". It is easy for an Indian to shout and feel validated to the core that "black man" or buck man" cannot do anything. It is a natural as sneezing to many.

 

This entire malignant campaign of disunity presently being orchestrated via Ravi dev Through the Guyana times is on massaging that disease in the Indian community. The claims of reverse racism is  its natural disguise.  Granger stole office he did not win it. Granger cannot govern well because he has natural limitations. The perilous state the nation is in is not a legacy of the PPP corruption. That is conveniently forgotten because Indians cannot be corrupt...only wise!  It is a convenient lie we have to tell ourselves otherwise our belief system that we are the best will become completely destabilized.  The state is not in the terrible bankrupt condition because of Indian sealing over 23 years. It is a consequence of a  black man in office just barely over a 100 days!

 

And how dare Nagamotto insist he is Guyanese and not Indian at the GOPIO conference!  They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

The Guyana Times, built of the loot from the state is now guided by the quintessential Indian racist Ravi Dev about black racism. This is the man who wanted to create two Indian only states in Bebice and Essequibo and a black state in Demerara while lumping the Native peoples in land locked Rupunini and think it is a fair deal. This is the man who just made a speech in India with the full authority of the Minister of Finance that Guyana is a place for Indians and ready for Indians in India to come and become rich.

 

My hope is Granger is not goaded by these racist bitches into reacting negatively. Black racism as Amerindian is always reactive. It is time to be proactive an be a fair ruler. There are enough good people among the Indian community who will not be swayed by this malice of the racist crowd that his government means black people is out to get them. It is time we see a transition away from racial hegemony into a society where merit over nepotism and competence over friends and family causes a person to get a job. Guyana cannot move forward without the reliance of good people from whatever ethnic group to fill positions and work for a common end.

You blaming Ravi Dev and Guyana Times for all of Guyana's racial problems?. You are missing your marbles! This is garbage...both of them did not exist when the country became divided before independence. Also, you are patronizing the coalition as if their hands are clean and they represent a unity government. You seem to also forget the 28 years. This is not an analysis...its your anecdotal and lunatic notions of all Indians are guilty. This kind of BS provides fodder for the likes of Carib, Redux and Itaname.

 

Carib, I am surprised you falling for this nonsense. 

 I am blaming them for setting a racial tone and inciting acrimonious racial strife by making mountains out of mole hills. Moses has every right to say he is Guyanese as opposed to indian. I wonder if he said he was Indian they would have complained he was a madras fellow.

 

You fellows make up your own arguments for arguments sake. My statements are clear. Indians are inclined to think they are better than africans for spurious reasons. The same goes for belief of both that Amerinds are less than humans and lacking a culture.

 

Everyone here have heard me argue the reasons for racism...in short...competition for resources once held unduly scarce by the colonials and the inter play of benefits for acting against each other in the colony. It translated into full racial strife with the segmentation of the parties and today exist as a low level internecine warfare by two groups retribalized around political party and seeing the state as an ethnic prize.

 

My address above was to the wrongheadedness of the arguments. Indians are no brighter or smarter than any. They are not less inclined to thievery and debauchery than any nor are they possessed of a superior culture or creed than any other. They are just another human group negotiating social space and inventing all sorts of rancid crap ( in this case) to claim a preferred space.

 

It was an Indian government...rife with ethnic nepotism...inclined to thievery and corruption that has us where we are. APNU if they can must dig us out. They like any has the smarts to do it. They like any can fail on reasons no less than the PPP/

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:

 

They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

 

Is that true?  Do we have the exact words by any chance? Kari?

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

BY the way... Ravi Dev is a racist dick.

So are you D2, Stormsewer, Danielle gyal!!!!

Do you believe the because you presume I am a girl you will get your way? That is as usual a problem I find with most country men. They do not have the merest grasp on how to interact with women on an intellectual level. They always digress to sexual continues etc. Well, I am a dude with the only thing swinging is my Johnson.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

 

They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

 

Is that true?  Do we have the exact words by any chance? Kari?

the black brethren part is my ornamentation...he said Guyanese indians are not like indians from india.

 

He said they are lazy, not concerned with sending their children on to higher education, not culturally sophisticated and in short more inclined to criminality.

 

We discussed it here in the early 2000. All the New York dailies were appalled. 

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

 

They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

 

Is that true?  Do we have the exact words by any chance? Kari?

the black brethren part is my ornamentation...he said Guyanese indians are not like indians from india.

 

He said they are lazy, not concerned with sending their children on to higher education, not culturally sophisticated and in short more inclined to criminality.

 

We discussed it here in the early 2000. All the New York dailies were appalled. 

You are an antiIndian basher and a loose cannon parading like a know it all fool. We ask you for the quote above. Now its obvious that you making this shyte up. 

V
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

 

They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

 

Is that true?  Do we have the exact words by any chance? Kari?

the black brethren part is my ornamentation...he said Guyanese indians are not like indians from india.

 

He said they are lazy, not concerned with sending their children on to higher education, not culturally sophisticated and in short more inclined to criminality.

 

We discussed it here in the early 2000. All the New York dailies were appalled. 

You are an antiIndian basher and a loose cannon parading like a know it all fool. We ask you for the quote above. Now its obvious that you making this shyte up.,,its part of your "ornamentation"??  Now we know who is the real dyck. 

V
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

 

They forget that  the President of GOPIO did not embrace Guyanese Indians as equal but expressed a similar opinion of them that was the legacy of what kept the ancestors to Guyanese Indians in limbo in India. The President said Guyanese Indians are as their black brethren in Guyana backward and lazy and  not the same Indians cultural capacities as the native Indian!

 

 

Is that true?  Do we have the exact words by any chance? Kari?

the black brethren part is my ornamentation...he said Guyanese indians are not like indians from india.

 

He said they are lazy, not concerned with sending their children on to higher education, not culturally sophisticated and in short more inclined to criminality.

 

We discussed it here in the early 2000. All the New York dailies were appalled. 

You are an antiIndian basher and a loose cannon parading like a know it all fool. We ask you for the quote above. Now its obvious that you making this shyte up.,,its part of your "ornamentation"??  Now we know who is the real dyck. 

I am certain I know more than you to this point because I have not seen any thing offered in contradiction to what I said. I have twin daughters who grew up in India, am still in daily contact with their wonderful mother with whom I raise these kids so what again do you know of the culture in its broad spectrum that I miss?

 

Add to that I have one parent of  Indian ancestry whose blood courses through my veins. Add to that I am incubated in the culture so its belief systems and cultural artifacts are etched in my being so who are you to tell me what is it is to be an India nor not? That I acknowledge I my thought space also include my white and Amerindian culture  and that I embrace the latter does not make be a little less Indian. It in fact makes me Guyanese!

 

What the President of GOPIO said of Guyanese is no less than what Indians say of black people....lazy, culturally and morally deficient, of little concern for learning etc and simply not up to speck as the real India from India.

 

My choice of words should not have been "ornamentation" implying I embellished. It should have been ironic because that is what it is. It is ironic that GOPIO feels that way. Further, whether you care to knowledge it or not many Indians from India we are faux indian... not cut from experiences in the same land and so have profound  contamination in the social fabric. Deny that if you must but every Guyanese  Indian in the diaspora or who ever visited India will tell you their concept of being superior to us seeps through their mode and manner  like thick molasses!

 

Now you can continue being a dick or address what displeases you about what I said.

FM

For me, I am a person at all times. Race or religion is not an over-riding factor in my life. I am aware of the significance of God in my daily existence. Repentance and Forgiveness is the central theme of my belief. Because we are flawed as humans. And the golden rule of treating others as you would have them treat you recognizes our flaws as humans.

 

Those who become leader of nations, are really like shepherds guiding a flock. Unfortunately for Guyanese, our leaders lacks that understanding.

 

Guyana lacks the spirit for good. Jobs and employment could help us.  

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

For me, I am a person at all times. Race or religion is not an over-riding factor in my life. I am aware of the significance of God in my daily existence. Repentance and Forgiveness is the central theme of my belief. Because we are flawed as humans. And the golden rule of treating others as you would have them treat you recognizes our flaws as humans.

 

The convoluted, confused ramblings of a first rate liar, cuss bird and bigot! Guh "repent" and come back and cuss out black man again!

FM
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
. This kind of BS provides fodder for the likes of Carib, Redux and Itaname.

 

Carib, I am surprised you falling for this nonsense. 

No I am just laughing at you proving my point.  Was this an indictment of the treatment of Indians under the Burnham regime, you would have been over the moon in ecstasy.

 

But any chat about Indian racism.  SSSSH.  TK has run off to write an article in Stabroek News, filled with economic data.  About WHAT!

 

Danyael made points here and the reaction was as expected.  All the socalled moderate Indians having a heart attack that Indian racism has been exposed, and they can no longer present themselves as the "innocent race", trapped in this land with these "barbaric and savage blacks, who only know destruction, and who live for nothing other than leaching off hard working Indians".

 

 

This is a taboo topic in Guyana!

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:

For me, I am a person at all times. Race ion is not an over-riding factor in my life. .  

And yet you pray that damnation should befall Afro Guyanese and they should be cast to walk naked for the rest of time.

 

I think that Shaitaan wasn't the only one with a split personality.  It least in his case its his sojourn to a war zone which is the cause.  What is YOUR problem?

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

My address above was to the wrongheadedness of the arguments. Indians are no brighter or smarter than any. They are not less inclined to thievery and debauchery than any nor are they possessed of a superior culture or creed than any other. They are just another human group negotiating social space and inventing all sorts of rancid crap ( in this case) to claim a preferred space.

 

It was an Indian government...rife with ethnic nepotism...inclined to thievery and corruption that has us where we are. APNU if they can must dig us out. They like any has the smarts to do it. They like any can fail on reasons no less than the PPP/

OOOH no.  Black man is evil, savage, criminal, illiterate, lazy, and lives for nothing other than feasting off of Indians, and rubbing Indian blood as he engages in orgies of violence.

 

This is spread DAILY by the Indo KKK, yet look and see who VVP, VishMohabir and the other socalled moderates Indians call racists.

 

Caribj, redux, and Itaname. 

 

NOT cobra, rama, yuji, and the rest of the Indo KKK, including the "Christian" man who is busy praying for God to cast evil on Afro Guyanese.

 

I knew that this was the direction that this thread would go.

 

I am curious about the regression analysis that TK will do to prove that Indian racism doesn't exist in Guyana, and that its only Burnham who is responsible for ethnic exclusion.

FM
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Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
basher and a loose cannon parading like a know it all fool. We ask you for the quote above. Now its obvious that you making this shyte up. 

But if was screaming that all blacks do is rob Indians, that they are lazy and contribute nothing positive, YOu would say NOTHING.

 

Because this type of poison pours out frequently from the fingers of cobra, yuji, rama, and baseman, and then we have the Jesus man, seignet praying for hell and damnation to fall on blacksm because we have the devil on us.

 

Not ONE word from you.

 

But Indian racism........that is Guyana's secret, and only racists insist that it must be brought out as part of any discussion on ethnicity in Guyana.

 

You do Indians no good service as you merely prove that Indians, racist, and those who pretend not to be, have no interest in admitting that its not only Africans who have committed racists acts in Guyana.  All that interests you is the endless daily peddling of "savage black man, beating on killing poor innocent Indians".

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

What the President of GOPIO said of Guyanese is no less than what Indians say of black people....lazy, culturally and morally deficient, of little concern for learning etc and simply not up to speck as the real India from India.

 

 

And we read this daily on GNI about blacks, and NOTHING on that from VVP and the rest of those who scream how racist Granger is.  SUDDENLY racism is a huge problem in Guyana, and the only "racists" on GNI are caribj, itaname, and redux.

 

Vishmahabir and the others PRETEND that you want unity.  No they don't.  They just don't want any discussion of Indian racism, as it means that Indians are revealed to be just as damaging to Guyana's fabric of ethnic relations as are the other groups which live in that nation.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

What the President of GOPIO said of Guyanese is no less than what Indians say of black people....lazy, culturally and morally deficient, of little concern for learning etc and simply not up to speck as the real India from India.

 

 

And we read this daily on GNI about blacks, and NOTHING on that from VVP and the rest of those who scream how racist Granger is.  SUDDENLY racism is a huge problem in Guyana, and the only "racists" on GNI are caribj, itaname, and redux.

 

Vishmahabir and the others PRETEND that you want unity.  No they don't.  They just don't want any discussion of Indian racism, as it means that Indians are revealed to be just as damaging to Guyana's fabric of ethnic relations as are the other groups which live in that nation.

Everyday you claimed that the PPP was racist.  Isn't that a problem.  The PPP had 49% non Indians in their Government.  What is your problem?.  The PNC government now has 5% non blacks and you don see anything wrong with that. No wonder Indians can't trust you people.

R
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

What the President of GOPIO said of Guyanese is no less than what Indians say of black people....lazy, culturally and morally deficient, of little concern for learning etc and simply not up to speck as the real India from India.

 

 

And we read this daily on GNI about blacks, and NOTHING on that from VVP and the rest of those who scream how racist Granger is.  SUDDENLY racism is a huge problem in Guyana, and the only "racists" on GNI are caribj, itaname, and redux.

 

Vishmahabir and the others PRETEND that you want unity.  No they don't.  They just don't want any discussion of Indian racism, as it means that Indians are revealed to be just as damaging to Guyana's fabric of ethnic relations as are the other groups which live in that nation.

If Indians are truly the racist, how come dem doan beat up every blackman dey see.

 

On the contrary, Granger may turn out to be a great leaders. Second to Desmond Persaud. I am expecting David Arthur Ganagdeen to do great things for Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
. This kind of BS provides fodder for the likes of Carib, Redux and Itaname.

 

Carib, I am surprised you falling for this nonsense. 

No I am just laughing at you proving my point.  Was this an indictment of the treatment of Indians under the Burnham regime, you would have been over the moon in ecstasy.

 

But any chat about Indian racism.  SSSSH.  TK has run off to write an article in Stabroek News, filled with economic data.  About WHAT!

 

Danyael made points here and the reaction was as expected.  All the socalled moderate Indians having a heart attack that Indian racism has been exposed, and they can no longer present themselves as the "innocent race", trapped in this land with these "barbaric and savage blacks, who only know destruction, and who live for nothing other than leaching off hard working Indians".

 

 

This is a taboo topic in Guyana!

The writer made the assertion that the reliance of good people can make a difference in Guyana. I asked the man to define a good person. He ain doing it so far. But I KNOW, you three racist on here are not the kind of people he is referring to as good people. 

 

YUh all write the same nonsense over and over and over. I am beginning to think, u 3 is 1. 

S
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

For me, I am a person at all times. Race or religion is not an over-riding factor in my life. I am aware of the significance of God in my daily existence. Repentance and Forgiveness is the central theme of my belief. Because we are flawed as humans. And the golden rule of treating others as you would have them treat you recognizes our flaws as humans.

 

The convoluted, confused ramblings of a first rate liar, cuss bird and bigot! Guh "repent" and come back and cuss out black man again!

lame brain.

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:

For me, I am a person at all times. Race ion is not an over-riding factor in my life. .  

And yet you pray that damnation should befall Afro Guyanese and they should be cast to walk naked for the rest of time.

 

I think that Shaitaan wasn't the only one with a split personality.  It least in his case its his sojourn to a war zone which is the cause.  What is YOUR problem?

Where ignorance is bliss, it's a folly to be wise.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

If Indians are truly the racist, how come dem doan beat up every blackman dey see.

 

On the contrary, Granger may turn out to be a great leaders. Second to Desmond Persaud. I am expecting David Arthur Ganagdeen to do great things for Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

Yep, "industrious" east indians and lazy black man. We gat it bai! You help prove the point of Danyael's thread. Now it's time yuh guh praise de lawd and pray fuh black man extermination.

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

If Indians are truly the racist, how come dem doan beat up every blackman dey see.

 

On the contrary, Granger may turn out to be a great leaders. Second to Desmond Persaud. I am expecting David Arthur Ganagdeen to do great things for Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

Yep, "industrious" east indians and lazy black man. We gat it bai! You help prove the point of Danyael's thread. Now it's time yuh guh praise de lawd and pray fuh black man extermination.

lame brain. Y do u take every comment wid a racist twist. Aren't u all seying that Indians gat the money. I doan c dem choke and rab for dey wealth. When an Indian is robbed, iz hundreds ah thousands dey loosing. Dey industrious. Granger giving u all the opportunity, doan gamble it away. Get ur ppl to wuk.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

lame brain. Y do u take every comment wid a racist twist. Aren't u all seying that Indians gat the money. I doan c dem choke and rab for dey wealth. When an Indian is robbed, iz hundreds ah thousands dey loosing. Dey industrious. Granger giving u all the opportunity, doan gamble it away. Get ur ppl to wuk.

Tenk yuh fuh de advice bai. Yes, abee choke and robbing black man do appreciate alyuh "industrious" indians. Is it time for you to thump your bible and tell we about the wonders of the golden rule yet?

FM
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

lame brain. Y do u take every comment wid a racist twist. Aren't u all seying that Indians gat the money. I doan c dem choke and rab for dey wealth. When an Indian is robbed, iz hundreds ah thousands dey loosing. Dey industrious. Granger giving u all the opportunity, doan gamble it away. Get ur ppl to wuk.

Tenk yuh fuh de advice bai. Yes, abee choke and robbing black man do appreciate alyuh "industrious" indians. Is it time for you to thump your bible and tell we about the wonders of the golden rule yet?

Yuh know the story in the Bible about the "talents". Well, we Indians doan bury our money, we spread it around like manure-we mek tings grow. Tek lessons from us, doan hate us for being industrious. Lame Brain.

 

Read George DaSilva, he knows wah we can do.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Yuh know the story in the Bible about the "talents". Well, we Indians doan bury our money, we spread it around like manure-we mek tings grow. Tek lessons from us, doan hate us for being industrious. Lame Brain.

 

Read George DaSilva, he knows wah we can do.

Too bad your Indian govt. didn't mek the rice and sugar industry grow bai. Yuh run am into the ground. Alyuh did do wonders with the narco trade though. Yuh spread am around good deh.

 

Don't stop posting as George DaSilva. Or yuh lost the password?

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Yuh know the story in the Bible about the "talents". Well, we Indians doan bury our money, we spread it around like manure-we mek tings grow. Tek lessons from us, doan hate us for being industrious. Lame Brain.

 

Read George DaSilva, he knows wah we can do.

Too bad your Indian govt. didn't mek the rice and sugar industry grow bai. Yuh run am into the ground. Alyuh did do wonders with the narco trade though. Yuh spread am around good deh.

 

Don't stop posting as George DaSilva. Or yuh lost the password?

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. Check all dem out, thieves and criminals. The majority of East Indians are peaceful people. But yuh black fellas see the few in high places because they are visible and yuh want to sey all Indians are like them.

 

Them thieves and criminals of the PPP and PNC are like gods-they live in the above. We mortals are divided, taht makes them getaway wid wah dey doing.

S
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
.  What is your problem?.  The PNC government now has 5% non blacks and you don see anything wrong with that. No wonder Indians can't trust you people.

The APNU/AFC has 50% Africans among the cabinet and the Ministry of the Presidency.  The PPP had 60% Indians among the senior ministers.

 

Junior ministers have no clout and so are not counted.  So don't bore me with your stupid ministers like Juan Edghill, who cannot even balance a check book.

 

I suggest that you cease trying to fool yourself that the PPP isn't racist, when its own leadership called it a "coolie party", and screamed that Africans are violent savages.  The PPP NEVER apologized for that infamous Chronicle editorial, or even explained why it was published in the first place.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
.

If Indians are truly the racist, how come dem doan beat up every blackman dey see.

 

Indians.   

And here you imply of course that all blacks do is beat up every Indian who they meet.  Continue babbling as each time you do your show the world how racist you are.

 

Why don't you stop pretending that you have a Nigerian pastor, as its clear that blacks repulse you.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

And he says this and thinks that he isn't a racist.

 

Seignet your racism is so deep that you don't even recognize it for what it is.

 

Every post of yours proves Danyael right.

 

Every post of yours where there is no rebuttal from TK, Kari, VVP, VishMahabir, and Chief, suggests that Danyael is clearly correct that this is the belief system among Indians, jst that some are more open in saying so.

 

Gilbakka, Riffraff and Mitwah are the only Indians who rebuff this racism. 

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

If Indians are truly the racist, how come dem doan beat up every blackman dey see.

 

On the contrary, Granger may turn out to be a great leaders. Second to Desmond Persaud. I am expecting David Arthur Ganagdeen to do great things for Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

Yep, "industrious" east indians and lazy black man. We gat it bai! You help prove the point of Danyael's thread. Now it's time yuh guh praise de lawd and pray fuh black man extermination.

lame brain. Y do u take every comment wid a racist twist. Aren't u all seying that Indians gat the money. I doan c dem choke and rab for dey wealth. When an Indian is robbed, iz hundreds ah thousands dey loosing. Dey industrious. Granger giving u all the opportunity, doan gamble it away. Get ur ppl to wuk.

Can you tell me when you call blacks lazy, how can we not interpret this as the height of racism?

 

Why don't you tell the Nigerian pastor that he belongs to a lazy race of people, and see how fast he doesn't run you out of the church.

 

That is of course if this Nigerian isn't a figment of your demented imagination, as it is clear how deeply embedded your hatred of blacks is.

FM
Originally Posted by Itaname:
. Is it time for you to thump your bible and tell we about the wonders of the golden rule yet?

No he is too busy beating the bible to get God to damn blacks to unending hardships.  God isn't listening to him though.

 

Life must be tough for a man who was so sure that Indians would rule Guyana for ever.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

FM
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Originally Posted by seignet:
Well, we Indians doan bury our money, we spread it around like manure-we mek tings grow. Tek lessons from us, doan hate us for being industrious. Lame Brain.

 

Read George DaSilva, he knows wah we can do.

And here seignet repeats verbatim what Danyael says is the typical Indian view of blacks, and yet will scream that Danyael is a racist.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

And he says this and thinks that he isn't a racist.

 

Seignet your racism is so deep that you don't even recognize it for what it is.

 

Every post of yours proves Danyael right.

 

Every post of yours where there is no rebuttal from TK, Kari, VVP, VishMahabir, and Chief, suggests that Danyael is clearly correct that this is the belief system among Indians, jst that some are more open in saying so.

 

Gilbakka, Riffraff and Mitwah are the only Indians who rebuff this racism. 

Maybe reading me wrong.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

And he says this and thinks that he isn't a racist.

 

Seignet your racism is so deep that you don't even recognize it for what it is.

 

Every post of yours proves Danyael right.

 

Every post of yours where there is no rebuttal from TK, Kari, VVP, VishMahabir, and Chief, suggests that Danyael is clearly correct that this is the belief system among Indians, jst that some are more open in saying so.

 

Gilbakka, Riffraff and Mitwah are the only Indians who rebuff this racism. 

Maybe reading me wrong.

Blacks are lazy, beat up every Indian who they meet, and need a curse from God as punishment.

 

That about sums up what you said. 

 

The black "racists" on GNI have highlighted many of your quotes, so feel free to go read them.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

If Indians are truly the racist, how come dem doan beat up every blackman dey see.

 

On the contrary, Granger may turn out to be a great leaders. Second to Desmond Persaud. I am expecting David Arthur Ganagdeen to do great things for Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

Yep, "industrious" east indians and lazy black man. We gat it bai! You help prove the point of Danyael's thread. Now it's time yuh guh praise de lawd and pray fuh black man extermination.

lame brain. Y do u take every comment wid a racist twist. Aren't u all seying that Indians gat the money. I doan c dem choke and rab for dey wealth. When an Indian is robbed, iz hundreds ah thousands dey loosing. Dey industrious. Granger giving u all the opportunity, doan gamble it away. Get ur ppl to wuk.

Can you tell me when you call blacks lazy, how can we not interpret this as the height of racism?

 

Why don't you tell the Nigerian pastor that he belongs to a lazy race of people, and see how fast he doesn't run you out of the church.

 

That is of course if this Nigerian isn't a figment of your demented imagination, as it is clear how deeply embedded your hatred of blacks is.

actually, I was telling a mixed Guyanese how polite and nice I found Nigerians to be. He replied, only Guyanese Afro people are like the way they are. Me nah know wey dem come from. My feeling is the iboo round up all the lower castes for exportation. 

 

So far, I have said Indians are industrious and they show proof of it. I haven't call anyone lazy. As yet. If u continue to call Black people lazythen I will have to agree wid you. Bcz u seying suh.

S
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

The PNC physiologically destroyed the minds of all Guyanese. Suicides, thiefing and criminality are all part of that era. Filtering will takes time. De country get a bad start.

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Well, we Indians doan bury our money, we spread it around like manure-we mek tings grow. Tek lessons from us, doan hate us for being industrious. Lame Brain.

 

Read George DaSilva, he knows wah we can do.

And here seignet repeats verbatim what Danyael says is the typical Indian view of blacks, and yet will scream that Danyael is a racist.

Suh we are racists for being progressive and proud of it. Wah you all doan do the same? I doan think you all suffer from racism, it is plain jealousy.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

The PNC physiologically destroyed the minds of all Guyanese. Suicides, thiefing and criminality are all part of that era. Filtering will takes time. De country get a bad start.

And the PPP were angels during the past 23 years. What did they do about the situation you describe ?

Tola
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

The PNC physiologically destroyed the minds of all Guyanese. Suicides, thiefing and criminality are all part of that era. Filtering will takes time. De country get a bad start.

And the PPP were angels during the past 23 years. What did they do about the situation you describe ?

Tola, I am rattling these fellas cages. Do you believe every Indian is a racists? Yes or No. We both from Albion. U and I lived for a while at the logies(from your comments previous). Do u really believe our old people ran around telling us to beware of the black man. I doan have that experience and I doan think u did either.

S
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Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

The PNC physiologically destroyed the minds of all Guyanese. Suicides, thiefing and criminality are all part of that era. Filtering will takes time. De country get a bad start.

And the PPP were angels during the past 23 years. What did they do about the situation you describe ?

Tola, I am rattling these fellas cages. Do you believe every Indian is a racists? Yes or No. We both from Albion. U and I lived for a while at the logies(from your comments previous). Do u really believe our old people ran around telling us to beware of the black man. I doan have that experience and I doan think u did either.

 

Seignet, I believe some Indians are racist, as well as blacks.

 

I lived for 14 years in the logies, before we moved to Belvedere. 

I worked with Afros at Albion office and we all treated each other equally.

Blacks and Indians visited each other homes often and we were invited to each other social gathering. This changed during Guyana first government.

Even though Burnham seen to have raised this racist shit when he split from  the PPP, it would seem Indos were marginalized during the first Guyana government, BUT it was reinforced by the PPP during their terms in office.

Until a neutral government include all races equally, the racial problem  will persist in Guyana and full development of the country and its people will be stagnant.

 

The way both parties behave in parliament, is a sign of more disasters for Guyana.

Like some families, when we don't get along, we separate and divide with severe consequences. Guyana seems to be on that path.       

Tola
Originally Posted by seignet:

Suh we are racists for being progressive and proud of it. Wah you all doan do the same? I doan think you all suffer from racism, it is plain jealousy.

In a few posts, the artist George DaSilva formerly known as Seignet lays out the indo KKK narrative. Progressive, industrious Indians at the mercy of pure lazy, jealous, choke and rob black man out to destroy and live off Indians. The Indo KKK (cobra/prince juno, nehru, skelly, observer, rama, baseman, yugi etc) smile approvingly....clap clap clap.

 

Those who disbelieve that Seignet also posts as George Da Silva are encouraged to examine Seignet's posts here and George DaSilva's for the striking similarities in principle. Yes, Seignet, a lying, racist, punk posed as a potagee man named George DaSilva to vomit up his racism on GNI while "Pastor" Seignet was busy thumping he bible hay.

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Suh we are racists for being progressive and proud of it. Wah you all doan do the same? I doan think you all suffer from racism, it is plain jealousy.

In a few posts, the artist George DaSilva formerly known as Seignet lays out the indo KKK narrative. Progressive, industrious Indians at the mercy of pure lazy, jealous, choke and rob black man out to destroy and live off Indians. The Indo KKK (cobra/prince juno, nehru, skelly, observer, rama, baseman, yugi etc) smile approvingly....clap clap clap.

 

Those who disbelieve that Seignet also posts as George Da Silva are encouraged to examine Seignet's posts here and George DaSilva's for the striking similarities in principle. Yes, Seignet, a lying, racist, punk posed as a potagee man to vomit up his racism on GNI.

Black people are lazy and move to the city to rob and murder the Indians. There, you got it? Now you can call me an indo KKK.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

So far, I have said Indians are industrious

And you screamed about black laziness, and that they should "wuk" just a few threads before.

 

Funny thing that.  Most blacks consider Afro Guyanese to be quite docile.  Indeed several visiting Guyana wanted to know why they allowed Indians to turn them into slaves, with scarce protest.

 

If Afro Guyanese were more like Yorubas, or Igbos, you would bawl for mercy.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

Black people are lazy and move to the city to rob and murder the Indians. There, you got it? Now you can call me an indo KKK.

You earned that title long ago.  You are now enraged that you can no longer scream "ahbe pan tap, blackman time done".

 

Continue though.  Your cheering section of VVP, VishMahabir and TK will allow you to speak on their behalf, while they line up and call danyael, Itaname, caribj, and redux racists, because we will not remain silent about Indo racism.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

The PNC physiologically destroyed the minds of all Guyanese. Suicides, thiefing and criminality are all part of that era. Filtering will takes time. De country get a bad start.

Yes every thing wrong with Indians is the fault of blackman.

 

Indian girl falls in love, and parents object because he is too "dark".  Girl upset and drinks what some sick blacks call "collie cocktail".   That description being used in Trinidad, as well as the PRE Burnham Guyana.

 

Black man is to blame.

 

As long as I have been around the penchant for suicide has been a feature of rural life in Guyana, Trinidad, and also India.

 

But BLACKMAN is to blame for that.

 

Seignet how come Afro Guyanese cause people in rural India to kill themselves?

FM
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Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Suh we are racists for being progressive and proud of it. Wah you all doan do the same? I doan think you all suffer from racism, it is plain jealousy.

So you agree with Danyael and his perspectives on how Indians view blacks.  EVERY post of yours wreaks of racism and Indosupremacy.

 

1.  Why are these "industrious" Indians so desperately poor that they fled their nation led by the "coolie party" to do maid and gardener work for blacks in Barbados?

 

2.  Why was Guyana the poorest country in the English speaking Caribbean after "23 years of rule by hardworking and industrious Indians, led by the "coolie party" which should have made Guyana far richer than Barbados, and Antigua, dominated as they are by lazy and savage blacks. 

 

In fact given the paucity of Indians in Antigua, that island ought to be as poor as Haiti, but instead it is so rich that flocks of Guyanese flee there.

 

3.  How come Indians are so much poorer than their fellow indentures, the Portuguese and Chinese?  Drunk off the XM supplied from these more industrious groups maybe?

 

 

I suggest to you that Indo Guyanese have way to much to worry about than to have time pretending to be Indosupremacists.  You look rather silly with that high suicide rate, which suggests a community plagued by pathologies.

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Suh we are racists for being progressive and proud of it. Wah you all doan do the same? I doan think you all suffer from racism, it is plain jealousy.

In a few posts, the artist George DaSilva formerly known as Seignet lays out the indo KKK narrative. Progressive, industrious Indians at the mercy of pure lazy, jealous, choke and rob black man out to destroy and live off Indians. The Indo KKK (cobra/prince juno, nehru, skelly, observer, rama, baseman, yugi etc) smile approvingly....clap clap clap.

 

Those who disbelieve that Seignet also posts as George Da Silva are encouraged to examine Seignet's posts here and George DaSilva's for the striking similarities in principle. Yes, Seignet, a lying, racist, punk posed as a potagee man named George DaSilva to vomit up his racism on GNI while "Pastor" Seignet was busy thumping he bible hay.

Hilarious. Shows u as a lame brain.

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

So far, I have said Indians are industrious

And you screamed about black laziness, and that they should "wuk" just a few threads before.

 

Funny thing that.  Most blacks consider Afro Guyanese to be quite docile.  Indeed several visiting Guyana wanted to know why they allowed Indians to turn them into slaves, with scarce protest.

 

If Afro Guyanese were more like Yorubas, or Igbos, you would bawl for mercy.

Is dat what I said, is the casteless ones gat exported.

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

The PNC physiologically destroyed the minds of all Guyanese. Suicides, thiefing and criminality are all part of that era. Filtering will takes time. De country get a bad start.

Yes every thing wrong with Indians is the fault of blackman.

 

Indian girl falls in love, and parents object because he is too "dark".  Girl upset and drinks what some sick blacks call "collie cocktail".   That description being used in Trinidad, as well as the PRE Burnham Guyana.

 

Black man is to blame.

 

As long as I have been around the penchant for suicide has been a feature of rural life in Guyana, Trinidad, and also India.

 

But BLACKMAN is to blame for that.

 

Seignet how come Afro Guyanese cause people in rural India to kill themselves?

Dey have black people in India too. Everybody frighten them.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

So far, I have said Indians are industrious

And you screamed about black laziness, and that they should "wuk" just a few threads before.

 

Funny thing that.  Most blacks consider Afro Guyanese to be quite docile.  Indeed several visiting Guyana wanted to know why they allowed Indians to turn them into slaves, with scarce protest.

 

If Afro Guyanese were more like Yorubas, or Igbos, you would bawl for mercy.

Is dat what I said, is the casteless ones gat exported.

You know what is disturbing.  It isn't that your pour out Indo supremacist filth, as you cannot help it, being a black hating racist.

 

It is that VishMahabir says NOTHING about you, who are repeating verbatim what Danyael says that Indians believe, proving him RIGHT, and yet VishMahabir lots to say about Danyael!

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Suh we are racists for being progressive and proud of it. Wah you all doan do the same? I doan think you all suffer from racism, it is plain jealousy.

So you agree with Danyael and his perspectives on how Indians view blacks.  EVERY post of yours wreaks of racism and Indosupremacy.

 

1.  Why are these "industrious" Indians so desperately poor that they fled their nation led by the "coolie party" to do maid and gardener work for blacks in Barbados?

 

2.  Why was Guyana the poorest country in the English speaking Caribbean after "23 years of rule by hardworking and industrious Indians, led by the "coolie party" which should have made Guyana far richer than Barbados, and Antigua, dominated as they are by lazy and savage blacks. 

 

In fact given the paucity of Indians in Antigua, that island ought to be as poor as Haiti, but instead it is so rich that flocks of Guyanese flee there.

 

3.  How come Indians are so much poorer than their fellow indentures, the Portuguese and Chinese?  Drunk off the XM supplied from these more industrious groups maybe?

 

 

I suggest to you that Indo Guyanese have way to much to worry about than to have time pretending to be Indosupremacists.  You look rather silly with that high suicide rate, which suggests a community plagued by pathologies.

And thrive among decent people, whether they are black or white. You are part and parcel of Guyana's sin. Even Afro Guyanese cannot thrive there much less Indians. Those with the mindset as you kills progress.

S
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

So far, I have said Indians are industrious

And you screamed about black laziness, and that they should "wuk" just a few threads before.

 

Funny thing that.  Most blacks consider Afro Guyanese to be quite docile.  Indeed several visiting Guyana wanted to know why they allowed Indians to turn them into slaves, with scarce protest.

 

If Afro Guyanese were more like Yorubas, or Igbos, you would bawl for mercy.

Is dat what I said, is the casteless ones gat exported.

You know what is disturbing.  It isn't that your pour out Indo supremacist filth, as you cannot help it, being a black hating racist.

 

It is that VishMahabir says NOTHING about you, who are repeating verbatim what Danyael says that Indians believe, proving him RIGHT, and yet VishMahabir lots to say about Danyael!

For 28 years Indians were marginalized under the PNC. And Black people also felt the brunt of Burnham's tyranny. We found ways to bear our chafe. Then comes along Forbes proteges of thieves, criminals, uncouth, uneducated Cooolies-they careless about anybody than themselves. And again, we Indians found ways to survive those 23 years. Black people claimed they were marginalized. We aint boasting, we tie our bellies and wuk to get ahead. That is not boasting-that is a reality-and since we came to the shores. Indians doan care wah u do, as long yuh doan beat them up. I am certain they keep that in mind.    

S

seignet shedding his skin

 

it's fascinating to watch the cloven hoof breaking out of the boot, the scales on his back glinting, the tail . . .

 

different from cobra only in the level of recklessness when hurling the vomit . . . seignet is one of dem ole hard core bannas like skeldon_man

 

props to Danyael for stressing the BB and forcing these antiman to molt

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

And he says this and thinks that he isn't a racist.

 

Seignet your racism is so deep that you don't even recognize it for what it is.

 

Every post of yours proves Danyael right.

 

Every post of yours where there is no rebuttal from TK, Kari, VVP, VishMahabir, and Chief, suggests that Danyael is clearly correct that this is the belief system among Indians, jst that some are more open in saying so.

 

Gilbakka, Riffraff and Mitwah are the only Indians who rebuff this racism. 

One is chatree, one is chamar, and one is brahmin, in dat order. If we can rebuff racialism, others can too. We is de 3 anti-racial musketeers.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

So far, I have said Indians are industrious

And you screamed about black laziness, and that they should "wuk" just a few threads before.

 

Funny thing that.  Most blacks consider Afro Guyanese to be quite docile.  Indeed several visiting Guyana wanted to know why they allowed Indians to turn them into slaves, with scarce protest.

 

If Afro Guyanese were more like Yorubas, or Igbos, you would bawl for mercy.

Is dat what I said, is the casteless ones gat exported.

You know what is disturbing.  It isn't that your pour out Indo supremacist filth, as you cannot help it, being a black hating racist.

 

It is that VishMahabir says NOTHING about you, who are repeating verbatim what Danyael says that Indians believe, proving him RIGHT, and yet VishMahabir lots to say about Danyael!

For 28 years Indians were marginalized under the PNC. And Black people also felt the brunt of Burnham's tyranny. We found ways to bear our chafe. Then comes along Forbes proteges of thieves, criminals, uncouth, uneducated Cooolies-they careless about anybody than themselves. And again, we Indians found ways to survive those 23 years. Black people claimed they were marginalized. We aint boasting, we tie our bellies and wuk to get ahead. That is not boasting-that is a reality-and since we came to the shores. Indians doan care wah u do, as long yuh doan beat them up. I am certain they keep that in mind.    

One of the consequence of generalization on characteristics of race is it falls flat on its petard under serious analysis. Worse, act of claiming such gifts of virtue and knowledge  tend to self deflate  because the claimants are often morons. In this instance, the idea of any race being better than another is arguing your way into a horses ass.  The term race is bullshit. The statements are pulled from thin air. They have no footing.

 

We did not come from special stock...actually we came from the dredges. We did not come with vast learning....the Bahamians made sure the great philosophical legacy of indian did not percolate into the hovels of the casteless.   We demonstrated no meaningful social progress in 6000 years of living on the planet. Our tribal brethren in India are still stuck in a status of bottom feeders..yet here in Guyana we have the gall to say we are the best at everything. 

 

Guyana is our home and we need to get over our stupid and vile  beliefs and come to the reality we are humans whose insides look exactly the same. Further,  despite centuries of craniometrics no one can substantiate one iota of difference in intelligence ( measured along some 15 parameters even though we are yet to define the word intelligence to scientific satisfaction) between ethnic groups.

 

The insecurities that drive us to this crippling and ceaseless quarreling has to come to an end. I do not claim to know how but I plan to point out or debunk stupid claims from stupid indians claiming smart above and beyond their calling

 

BTW I did not answer your question on what constitute good people because it would be a waste of time.  Without invoking old Socrates or Kant or Bentham and GE Moore: Even if it were that we had no formal training in academia,  our long decades of life on the planet will surely by osmosis, distill out that fact from the ether. That is of course presuming we are not inordinately dull and ignorant.

FM

I do not comprise lengthy essays. But I have the patience to read them.

In all that u wrote in the first commentary, the only thing that warrants a query was that a solution was possible by the reliance of good people.  I asked for a definition of such people. I was wondering if I could be such a person. Bcz, I agree wid u, it is exceptional people who will solve this dilemma.

 

As for the idea that we Indians claim to be better than blacks. I do not believe that the majority of Indians run around the place telling Blacks we better than them. If u referring to the very few educated ones who have that opinion, then the stupid blacks would pickup on that. Also, I believe that is where u drew ur analysis. The crimes of Rwanda was promoted just by a few educated of their tribes. In the end, masses were slaughtered.

 

Are you doing the same thing? Taking a perception to the extreme. We have had such incidents in the Wismar Massacre and the several others that have followed since.

 

Guyana is a tiny country with a population less that some villages in India and Nigeria. And Nigeria attracts Africans from throughout Africa, and I have never met any like my countrymen. Neither did I find people in Bangalore as my countrymen.

 

We are unique people. And those who want make the Indians as the problem for Blacks are mischievous. Out to have blood on their hands. As if enough hasn't been shed already. 

 

The three Black racists on here have no solutions for Guyana. neither do the ones who incite them. If they were intelligent they would have picked on that.

 

How many of u all will be the "good people" the writer talked about. 

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

I do not comprise lengthy essays. But I have the patience to read them.

In all that u wrote in the first commentary, the only thing that warrants a query was that a solution was possible by the reliance of good people.  I asked for a definition of such people. I was wondering if I could be such a person. Bcz, I agree wid u, it is exceptional people who will solve this dilemma.

 

As for the idea that we Indians claim to be better than blacks. I do not believe that the majority of Indians run around the place telling Blacks we better than them. If u referring to the very few educated ones who have that opinion, then the stupid blacks would pickup on that. Also, I believe that is where u drew ur analysis. The crimes of Rwanda was promoted just by a few educated of their tribes. In the end, masses were slaughtered.

 

Are you doing the same thing? Taking a perception to the extreme. We have had such incidents in the Wismar Massacre and the several others that have followed since.

 

Guyana is a tiny country with a population less that some villages in India and Nigeria. And Nigeria attracts Africans from throughout Africa, and I have never met any like my countrymen. Neither did I find people in Bangalore as my countrymen.

 

We are unique people. And those who want make the Indians as the problem for Blacks are mischievous. Out to have blood on their hands. As if enough hasn't been shed already. 

 

The three Black racists on here have no solutions for Guyana. neither do the ones who incite them. If they were intelligent they would have picked on that.

 

How many of u all will be the "good people" the writer talked about. 

Siggy, what I am reading here is simple, the black posters are evil all others angels. Banna that is BULLSHIT.

 

Carib is quite correct when he says others are not coming in and disputing any of the racial things being said when by an Indian but anything coming from the three you mentioned, is met with much criticism.

 

This is the type of bullshit that doesn't help when seeking a solution for Guyana.

 

cain
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Originally Posted by redux:

seignet shedding his skin

 

it's fascinating to watch the cloven hoof breaking out of the boot, the scales on his back glinting, the tail . . .

 

different from cobra only in the level of recklessness when hurling the vomit . . . seignet is one of dem ole hard core bannas like skeldon_man

 

props to Danyael for stressing the BB and forcing these antiman to molt

He is amazing.  With each post he proves how right Danyael is.

 

As of now he is beginning to surpass cobra, rama, and yuji with his Indosupremacy.

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
 

Gilbakka, Riffraff and Mitwah are the only Indians who rebuff this racism. 

One is chatree, one is chamar, and one is brahmin, in dat order. If we can rebuff racialism, others can too. We is de 3 anti-racial musketeers.

And you forgot that NONE of you have been PPP supporters for a LOOOOOOONGGGGG time.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:

 

As for the idea that we Indians claim to be better than blacks. I do not believe that the majority of Indians run around the place telling Blacks we better than them.

1.  Itaname, redux and I have asked you why we are racist, and you FAILED to respond.

 

2.  You have spewed vile poison, calling us lazy, savage, and having an intent only to rob "industrious" Indians.  If that isn't racist in your eyes then I am truly sorry for you.

 

3.  Danyael wrote of the typical Indian view of blacks.  That applies to you 100%.

 

4. You spew vile racist rubbish, but you are NOT educated!

 

5.  I really don't care what you write. as you are a silly illiterate bigot, with serious mental issues. 

 

What is more worrying is that you continue to write your bigotry, fully of the view that this is the dominant opinion of Indo Guyanese.  You feel that they will not embarrass you by exposing your racism as that of an ignorant minority within that population. So you continue to spew your vile and toxic crap.

FM
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Originally Posted by cain:
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Carib is quite correct when he says others are not coming in and disputing any of the racial things being said when by an Indian but anything coming from the three you mentioned, is met with much criticism.

 

 

Glad that BOTH you and Danyael, neither of you being African identified Guyanese note that.

 

Racism exists on BOTH sides, but it is indeed a fact that in 2015 there is more space among Indians to openly express this.  Such behavior by an African racist will be quickly condemned by other Africans, revealing that their Afro supremacy is silly, and a minority view.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:

. And Nigeria attracts Africans from throughout Africa, and I have never met any like my countrymen.

I can assure you most Afro Guyanese have no interest in Africa, or people from that continent, and Do NOT identify with them, beyond a loose bond of race.

 

If Indo Guyanese still think that there are of India, then that is a whole other conversation, but do not try to pretend as if Afro Guyanese do not put being Guyanese FIRST and FOREMOST, with a secondary identity of being a Caribbean people.

 

And, spewing your racist poison, puts you with cobra, yuji, rama, and baseman.  NOT good people, and NOT interested in a solution.

FM
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Originally Posted by Danyael:

Re post of a response on this thread. It needs its own space.

 

The ideological space for racial bigotry is reserved space by Indians. Lets get one fact to the fore. No one has taboos about miscegenation or fear race mixing or loudly insist others are intent on sexually subjugating their women via National service of on entry into the security services.

 

No other group loudly proclaim their supreme aptitude for business or management or for doing whatever needs to be done as vociferously as Indians. On that account alone they shout down  others for even attempting those offices. This is the reality, the bedrock of a belief system that is firmly implanted in the minds of many Indians and inculcated generationally while discounting the real history of origins. Indians conveniently forget they were the oppressed subaltern, backward status over centuries in their home world. They forget the very things the scream from the roof top " black people incompetency" was religion in Indian and they were its footstool!

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He can write whatever soothes his mind but the facts are there to show that Negroes cannot run anything larger than a snackette.Even that can be a strain.

Since Arrival the East Indians have thoroughly supported a separate identity as their culture and way of life are different to the negroes who have taken on the identity ,culture and way of life of the whiteman.He has nothing of his original self remaning.

The East Indian prefer it that way.They have enough  of trying to placate the othe major race.There is no profit in the races coming together.East Indians should campaign for a separate state.This will result in less tension as each race can pursue their independent development path.

The writer has been reading the history of India as written by the white colonial power and it suits him well.However just to remind him that despite waves of barbarians including the British and moslem invaders through the centuries the Indians were able to maintain their religion and ways of life including the caste system.Everything is still intact even today.Africa have lost their ways of life and now Christian or Muslim.

The Indian understand business and commerce like no one else.Even a young Indian child can run a shop without much fuss,it is natural.Jews Arabs and Indians grow up thinking of business.
In terms of development many African countries became independent at the same time as India yet they are as backward and undeveloped today as when Cecil Rhodes was living there.Very little has changed for the negro in Africa except his ability to mimic the white man yet below that facade of respecttability he is still the hunter.India became a nuclear power,has satellite in space,best universities for science and engineering etc.,is the one of the engines of world economic growth.Where is Africa-still in the bush hunting deer.

Negroes do not understand the science of running a profitable business venture because he he cannot understand that the profit belongs to the business and must be used to expand it.He prefers to take out the small profit and use it to buy expensive clothes and take his family on overseas holidays and driving around in expensive cars etc.When the business profits have been depleted due to carelessness he then goes to the bank to borrow money which the banks may refuse because of his carelessness and may not have enough collateral.The negro will shout racism when this happens.

Th negro will always be consumer of items that give immediate enjoyment and things to enhace their looks eg cell phone ,expensive cars and clothes etc.
If they are so confident in themselves why then do they strive for the "European " look,why do the negro women continue running around wearing the hair pieces of the White Chinese and Indian people.Would'nt it be better if they stayed with the hair that God gave them.

All to do with show and nothing to back it.Reason why Guyana is a Mashramani country.Sport all year round.

The racist de facto government of Guyana cannot last for too long.I guess they may last for an extended period but without much economic development as happenned with dictator Burnham.It is natural they cannot run their own homes much less a country.
I gues the World Bank and IMF will prop them up for a time but that comes at a price.

East Indians,Portuguese and Amerindians should start looking for a separate identity and home state.

The country will always run behind Haiti in economic development as long as the racist de facto government is in power.Perhaps they should start taking Venezuelan identity cards as soon as possible.

Since the imposition of the negro racist de facto government in Guyana, the country has overnight become non viable economically,socially and culturally for the non negro population.Let them take Demerara, lots of cassava and plantain to eat ,the other races will take Essequibo and Berbice.

Within twenty five years we will see a modern state evolve from the bush next door to anothe rHaiti.

People in conversations have renamed Guyana as Uganda.Guess they have their Generals running country just like Idi Amin.Next perhaps very soon they may want to expel all East Indians,Chinese and Portuguese and Amrindians using the same pretex as Amin.

Negroes cannot run any business larger than a snackette.

The thousands of East Indians fired from their government jobs because of their race and now replaced by a large number of lazy PNC thugs.For sure there will be no work done as they usually sleeping off the sport of the last night.I love Mashramani.Every day is Mashramani since the de facto govermen took power.
The negroes complain about racism but the chief racist are the negroes.

The sun has already set on Guyana,East Indians overseas have decided not to invest or visit the country unless extremely necessary.It is not worth thinking about.

Meanwhile the three nemakarams,uncle toms will continue fighting among themselves as to who love the new Idi Amin the bestest.
 
FM
Originally Posted by george dasilva:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Re post of a response on this thread. It needs its own space.

 

The ideological space for racial bigotry is reserved space by Indians. Lets get one fact to the fore. No one has taboos about miscegenation or fear race mixing or loudly insist others are intent on sexually subjugating their women via National service of on entry into the security services.

 

No other group loudly proclaim their supreme aptitude for business or management or for doing whatever needs to be done as vociferously as Indians. On that account alone they shout down  others for even attempting those offices. This is the reality, the bedrock of a belief system that is firmly implanted in the minds of many Indians and inculcated generationally while discounting the real history of origins. Indians conveniently forget they were the oppressed subaltern, backward status over centuries in their home world. They forget the very things the scream from the roof top " black people incompetency" was religion in Indian and they were its footstool!

 ==============================================

 

He can write whatever soothes his mind but the facts are there to show that Negroes cannot run anything larger than a snackette.Even that can be a strain.

Since Arrival the East Indians have thoroughly supported a separate identity as their culture and way of life are different to the negroes who have taken on the identity ,culture and way of life of the whiteman.He has nothing of his original self remaning.

The East Indian prefer it that way.They have enough  of trying to placate the othe major race.There is no profit in the races coming together.East Indians should campaign for a separate state.This will result in less tension as each race can pursue their independent development path.

The writer has been reading the history of India as written by the white colonial power and it suits him well.However just to remind him that despite waves of barbarians including the British and moslem invaders through the centuries the Indians were able to maintain their religion and ways of life including the caste system.Everything is still intact even today.Africa have lost their ways of life and now Christian or Muslim.

The Indian understand business and commerce like no one else.Even a young Indian child can run a shop without much fuss,it is natural.Jews Arabs and Indians grow up thinking of business.
In terms of development many African countries became independent at the same time as India yet they are as backward and undeveloped today as when Cecil Rhodes was living there.Very little has changed for the negro in Africa except his ability to mimic the white man yet below that facade of respecttability he is still the hunter.India became a nuclear power,has satellite in space,best universities for science and engineering etc.,is the one of the engines of world economic growth.Where is Africa-still in the bush hunting deer.

Negroes do not understand the science of running a profitable business venture because he he cannot understand that the profit belongs to the business and must be used to expand it.He prefers to take out the small profit and use it to buy expensive clothes and take his family on overseas holidays and driving around in expensive cars etc.When the business profits have been depleted due to carelessness he then goes to the bank to borrow money which the banks may refuse because of his carelessness and may not have enough collateral.The negro will shout racism when this happens.

Th negro will always be consumer of items that give immediate enjoyment and things to enhace their looks eg cell phone ,expensive cars and clothes etc.
If they are so confident in themselves why then do they strive for the "European " look,why do the negro women continue running around wearing the hair pieces of the White Chinese and Indian people.Would'nt it be better if they stayed with the hair that God gave them.

All to do with show and nothing to back it.Reason why Guyana is a Mashramani country.Sport all year round.

The racist de facto government of Guyana cannot last for too long.I guess they may last for an extended period but without much economic development as happenned with dictator Burnham.It is natural they cannot run their own homes much less a country.
I gues the World Bank and IMF will prop them up for a time but that comes at a price.

East Indians,Portuguese and Amerindians should start looking for a separate identity and home state.

The country will always run behind Haiti in economic development as long as the racist de facto government is in power.Perhaps they should start taking Venezuelan identity cards as soon as possible.

Since the imposition of the negro racist de facto government in Guyana, the country has overnight become non viable economically,socially and culturally for the non negro population.Let them take Demerara, lots of cassava and plantain to eat ,the other races will take Essequibo and Berbice.

Within twenty five years we will see a modern state evolve from the bush next door to anothe rHaiti.

People in conversations have renamed Guyana as Uganda.Guess they have their Generals running country just like Idi Amin.Next perhaps very soon they may want to expel all East Indians,Chinese and Portuguese and Amrindians using the same pretex as Amin.

Negroes cannot run any business larger than a snackette.

The thousands of East Indians fired from their government jobs because of their race and now replaced by a large number of lazy PNC thugs.For sure there will be no work done as they usually sleeping off the sport of the last night.I love Mashramani.Every day is Mashramani since the de facto govermen took power.
The negroes complain about racism but the chief racist are the negroes.

The sun has already set on Guyana,East Indians overseas have decided not to invest or visit the country unless extremely necessary.It is not worth thinking about.

Meanwhile the three nemakarams,uncle toms will continue fighting among themselves as to who love the new Idi Amin the bestest.
 

OK Siggy, continue to post your bile.  I expect that of you.

 

And I also expect that VVP. VishMahabir, TK, Kari, and Chief will say NOTHING, proving Danyael CORRECT.

FM

This shyte is hilarious. My Nigerian pastor keeps telling me, "Brother, it is the works of the devil. Have pity on the lost souls." U 3 bigots are a sample of the probability of what ails Guyana.

 

I think u 3 chaps should read alot more. U all wake up one morning and decided let us hate the East Indians. It is far simpler than actually go out and be the builder of a nation/country.

 

Find a race to blame. 

S

Caribj,

 

U r offended when the claim is made that East Indians saved the sugar industry. 

 

Veira is so petty, he even challenged the time of arrival of east indian in the colony.

 

U seem to think having sex with an east indian woman is deemed betrayal of indian values.

 

In 1992, Liana Cane was upset that hindi songs could be heard throughout guyana.

 

U people complained about our way of life, the food we eat and how we eat it.

 

All petty issues. That seems to bother u in particular. The other two chaps are limited-they are ur supporters.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:

Caribj,

 

U r offended when the claim is made that East Indians saved the sugar industry. 

 

Veira is so petty, he even challenged the time of arrival of east indian in the colony.

 

U seem to think having sex with an east indian woman is deemed betrayal of indian values.

 

In 1992, Liana Cane was upset that hindi songs could be heard throughout guyana.

 

U people complained about our way of life, the food we eat and how we eat it.

 

 

The old, racist hardback cockroach now sensing the GNI readers' stomachs turning from reading his drivel, reaches into his devil's toolbox to manufacture lies about black man.

 

Listen good Seignet a/k/a George DaSilva, the food you indians eat and the way you eat it is accepted into Guyanese culture and partaken of by everyone. Insomuch that racist Indians like you use it as currency in your war against black man, saying that if it wasn't for "your" food we would starve. Yes, these are the depths of depravity of the racist Indian like you.

FM
Originally Posted by cain:

Siggy, what I am reading here is simple, the black posters are evil all others angels. Banna that is BULLSHIT.

 

Carib is quite correct when he says others are not coming in and disputing any of the racial things being said when by an Indian but anything coming from the three you mentioned, is met with much criticism.

 

This is the type of bullshit that doesn't help when seeking a solution for Guyana.

 

Cain,

 

Seignet and his Indian KKK crowd on GNI articulate clearly the way many indians view blacks. We blacks are ignorant, lazy, thieves, dullards, bereft of any "culture" of our own, existing only to rob and live off indians. We are savages and only evil resides in us (see Seignet's demons, Rama's multiple rawan comments and Yugi's similiar rants). They loudly proclaim this narrative as "truth" and thump their chests for the "boldness" to speak it.

 

These Indians are "superior" to us in every way, a textbook definition of their racism. Even black folks with honorable professions in the civil service or as nurses are looked down upon as "lazy govt. workers". You see, even those blacks are inferior to the almighty indian.

 

What's funny is the majority of indians in Guyana are very poor, some way below poverty levels, barely eking out an existence. Same for blacks and Amerindians - the majority are poor. But the racist Indian, blinded by his desire for hegemony, doesn't see this. He is, and always will be superior to black folks and Guyana is his land and not to be shared with the descendants of black slaves. What way forward can they be when dealing with folks like this who are not interested in a multiracial society?

 

Seignet is very old, an adult already in the 60's. Read his posts carefully and you'll see why black folks accepted Burnham as an alternative. If Guyana is not careful with the Seignets, basemans and Yugis, I fear we will see the emergence of another hard liner like Burnham.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

Black people are lazy and move to the city to rob and murder the Indians. There, you got it? Now you can call me an indo KKK.

You earned that title long ago.  You are now enraged that you can no longer scream "ahbe pan tap, blackman time done".

 

Continue though.  Your cheering section of VVP, VishMahabir and TK will allow you to speak on their behalf, while they line up and call danyael, Itaname, caribj, and redux racists, because we will not remain silent about Indo racism.

It is not Indian racism you should worry about.  It is your brothers in the government who are trying their hand on ethnic cleansing.   They are forcing Indians to leave the country so that they will not have any opposition.  The escalation of crime which is centrally directed by Congress Place is what you should worry about.  

R

where is seignet the cloven hoofed antiman? people looking fah he

 

i took the liberty of alerting my local Catholic church to the vomiting abomination masquerading as 'pastor' we have prancing around here on GNI . . . wan priest requested that i post from the exorcism rite the following to start:

 

"Depart, then, transgressor. Depart, seducer, full of lies and cunning, foe of virtue, persecutor of the innocent. Give place, abominable creature, give way, you monster, give way to Christ, in whom you found none of your works. For he has already stripped you of your powers and laid waste your kingdom, bound you prisoner and plundered your weapons. He has cast you forth into the outer darkness, where everlasting ruin awaits you and your abettors."

 

uh huh

FM
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Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

What the President of GOPIO said of Guyanese is no less than what Indians say of black people....lazy, culturally and morally deficient, of little concern for learning etc and simply not up to speck as the real India from India.

 

 

And we read this daily on GNI about blacks, and NOTHING on that from VVP and the rest of those who scream how racist Granger is.  SUDDENLY racism is a huge problem in Guyana, and the only "racists" on GNI are caribj, itaname, and redux.

 

Vishmahabir and the others PRETEND that you want unity.  No they don't.  They just don't want any discussion of Indian racism, as it means that Indians are revealed to be just as damaging to Guyana's fabric of ethnic relations as are the other groups which live in that nation.

Everyday you claimed that the PPP was racist.  Isn't that a problem.  The PPP had 49% non Indians in their Government.  What is your problem?.  The PNC government now has 5% non blacks and you don see anything wrong with that. No wonder Indians can't trust you people.

You are a pitiful liar. Most Africans in office were in subordinate rolls. Our foreign service had to wait until last year for ambassadorial representation.  Indeed we want people of all ilk in offices because once they are not in the room they will not get full representation.

 

I want that crony Bibi Shaddick off UG chairmanship and the other PPP implants of the PPP there removed also. In time there can be arrangements made to completely remove UF from government intervention and wholly in the hands of civil administration.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Caribj,

 

U r offended when the claim is made that East Indians saved the sugar industry. 

 

Veira is so petty, he even challenged the time of arrival of east indian in the colony.

 

U seem to think having sex with an east indian woman is deemed betrayal of indian values.

 

In 1992, Liana Cane was upset that hindi songs could be heard throughout guyana.

 

U people complained about our way of life, the food we eat and how we eat it.

 

 

The old, racist hardback cockroach now sensing the GNI readers' stomachs turning from reading his drivel, reaches into his devil's toolbox to manufacture lies about black man.

 

Listen good Seignet a/k/a George DaSilva, the food you indians eat and the way you eat it is accepted into Guyanese culture and partaken of by everyone. Insomuch that racist Indians like you use it as currency in your war against black man, saying that if it wasn't for "your" food we would starve. Yes, these are the depths of depravity of the racist Indian like you.

Hilarious, George Da Silva must be laughing his head off. Dem chaps stupid, eh George.

 

Share some more wisdom wid dem, soon.

S
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

Black people are lazy and move to the city to rob and murder the Indians. There, you got it? Now you can call me an indo KKK.

You earned that title long ago.  You are now enraged that you can no longer scream "ahbe pan tap, blackman time done".

 

Continue though.  Your cheering section of VVP, VishMahabir and TK will allow you to speak on their behalf, while they line up and call danyael, Itaname, caribj, and redux racists, because we will not remain silent about Indo racism.

It is not Indian racism you should worry about.  It is your brothers in the government who are trying their hand on ethnic cleansing.   They are forcing Indians to leave the country so that they will not have any opposition.  The escalation of crime which is centrally directed by Congress Place is what you should worry about.  

Indian racism is a disease in the society. It incubates and corrupts people for life and the remain diseased as you are so you can casually state criminality is from congress place while neglecting we to mentioning anytime in the past decade or so that you have been here of the rabid and obscene thievery orchestrated by the PPP against the state.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:

This shyte is hilarious. My Nigerian pastor keeps telling me, "Brother, it is the works of the devil. Have pity on the lost souls." U 3 bigots are a sample of the probability of what ails Guyana.

 

I think u 3 chaps should read alot more. U all wake up one morning and decided let us hate the East Indians. It is far simpler than actually go out and be the builder of a nation/country.

 

Find a race to blame. 


If your Nigerian sees what you are posting as George Da Silva and he doesnt consider you to be a racist, then he is a slave, and I can only feel sorry for his self hate.

 

Your Nigerian pastor does NOT exist, as there is no way that a normal black man will tolerate the racism whi9ch you and george da silva peddle.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:

Caribj,

 

U r offended when the claim is made that East Indians saved the sugar industry. 

 

Until the late 60s Jamaica had a LARGER sugar industry than did Guyana.  Jamaica's exports of non traditional food products is larger than that of Guyana.

 

You will peddle the racism that without Indians there would be nothing in Guyana.

 

Now run and tell your Nigerian that you think that blacks are lazy, savage, and criminal.

FM
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Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Hilarious, George Da Silva must be laughing his head off. Dem chaps stupid, eh George.

 

Share some more wisdom wid dem, soon.


OK.  Jokes up and its clear that you revile blacks.  You spin a lie about your Nigerian pastor, but no way are you going to be in a room full of people from Mother Africa.

 

Continue, because as we speak all of these moderate Indians are deeply embarrassed by you.  Danyael made assertions of Indian racism (which is NOT to deny that African racism exists).  Cain, another non black, made note of certain things.

 

Thanks to you the moderate Indos cannot play the old victim "bad black PNC man and the good Indo (now AFC) man" without appearing to be Indo supremacist racists, and if they forget this, I will REMIND them of this.

 

You have helped me, redux, and itaname greatly.

 

Danyael opened a thread, and unwittingly he set a trap which the GNI Indo posters ALL fell into, except for RiffRaff, Gilbakka, aided occassionally by Mitwah, who point out Indo racism as it exists on GNI.

FM
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Originally Posted by george dasilva:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

Re post of a response on this thread. It needs its own space.

 

The ideological space for racial bigotry is reserved space by Indians. Lets get one fact to the fore. No one has taboos about miscegenation or fear race mixing or loudly insist others are intent on sexually subjugating their women via National service of on entry into the security services.

 

No other group loudly proclaim their supreme aptitude for business or management or for doing whatever needs to be done as vociferously as Indians. On that account alone they shout down  others for even attempting those offices. This is the reality, the bedrock of a belief system that is firmly implanted in the minds of many Indians and inculcated generationally while discounting the real history of origins. Indians conveniently forget they were the oppressed subaltern, backward status over centuries in their home world. They forget the very things the scream from the roof top " black people incompetency" was religion in Indian and they were its footstool!

 ==============================================

 

He can write whatever soothes his mind but the facts are there to show that Negroes cannot run anything larger than a snackette.Even that can be a strain.

Since Arrival the East Indians have thoroughly supported a separate identity as their culture and way of life are different to the negroes who have taken on the identity ,culture and way of life of the whiteman.He has nothing of his original self remaning.

The East Indian prefer it that way.They have enough  of trying to placate the othe major race.There is no profit in the races coming together.East Indians should campaign for a separate state.This will result in less tension as each race can pursue their independent development path.

The writer has been reading the history of India as written by the white colonial power and it suits him well.However just to remind him that despite waves of barbarians including the British and moslem invaders through the centuries the Indians were able to maintain their religion and ways of life including the caste system.Everything is still intact even today.Africa have lost their ways of life and now Christian or Muslim.

The Indian understand business and commerce like no one else.Even a young Indian child can run a shop without much fuss,it is natural.Jews Arabs and Indians grow up thinking of business.
In terms of development many African countries became independent at the same time as India yet they are as backward and undeveloped today as when Cecil Rhodes was living there.Very little has changed for the negro in Africa except his ability to mimic the white man yet below that facade of respecttability he is still the hunter.India became a nuclear power,has satellite in space,best universities for science and engineering etc.,is the one of the engines of world economic growth.Where is Africa-still in the bush hunting deer.

Negroes do not understand the science of running a profitable business venture because he he cannot understand that the profit belongs to the business and must be used to expand it.He prefers to take out the small profit and use it to buy expensive clothes and take his family on overseas holidays and driving around in expensive cars etc.When the business profits have been depleted due to carelessness he then goes to the bank to borrow money which the banks may refuse because of his carelessness and may not have enough collateral.The negro will shout racism when this happens.

Th negro will always be consumer of items that give immediate enjoyment and things to enhace their looks eg cell phone ,expensive cars and clothes etc.

If they are so confident in themselves why then do they strive for the "European " look,why do the negro women continue running around wearing the hair pieces of the White Chinese and Indian people.Would'nt it be better if they stayed with the hair that God gave them.

All to do with show and nothing to back it.Reason why Guyana is a Mashramani country.Sport all year round.

The racist de facto government of Guyana cannot last for too long.I guess they may last for an extended period but without much economic development as happenned with dictator Burnham.It is natural they cannot run their own homes much less a country.
I gues the World Bank and IMF will prop them up for a time but that comes at a price.

East Indians,Portuguese and Amerindians should start looking for a separate identity and home state.

The country will always run behind Haiti in economic development as long as the racist de facto government is in power.Perhaps they should start taking Venezuelan identity cards as soon as possible.

Since the imposition of the negro racist de facto government in Guyana, the country has overnight become non viable economically,socially and culturally for the non negro population.Let them take Demerara, lots of cassava and plantain to eat ,the other races will take Essequibo and Berbice.

Within twenty five years we will see a modern state evolve from the bush next door to anothe rHaiti.

People in conversations have renamed Guyana as Uganda.Guess they have their Generals running country just like Idi Amin.Next perhaps very soon they may want to expel all East Indians,Chinese and Portuguese and Amrindians using the same pretex as Amin.

Negroes cannot run any business larger than a snackette.

The thousands of East Indians fired from their government jobs because of their race and now replaced by a large number of lazy PNC thugs.For sure there will be no work done as they usually sleeping off the sport of the last night.I love Mashramani.Every day is Mashramani since the de facto govermen took power.
The negroes complain about racism but the chief racist are the negroes.

The sun has already set on Guyana,East Indians overseas have decided not to invest or visit the country unless extremely necessary.It is not worth thinking about.

Meanwhile the three nemakarams,uncle toms will continue fighting among themselves as to who love the new Idi Amin the bestest.
 

You represent the class of ignoramus clamoring about your racial supremacy when your intellectual lacking is being pealed away like an onion with every sentence you write.

 

Note that to invalidate a statement logically one only has to provide one counter example. But then again this is not about debating logical propositions but the yapping of  a rank dunces.

 

Anyways, to be consistent here are my examples. One of the richest guyanese I know in America is a black woman and she is the largest builder/developer/project manager for large build outs in the East Coast. I do not know of any Indian Guyanese developers. She helped build the Convention Center in DC. Do your research to find who she is. My sister is amerindian and last time I check she was passed the 15 million mark in net worth and generating 3 to 5 million in sales each year. She is in the in small time business of  buying and selling and investing a little. By the way she is not formally educated! Barely finished high school !

 

If one is to examine the most profound failure of  guyanese to perform well in business one simply has to examine the very wealthy people who succumbed to criminality and were indicted over the past 3 years. Practically all of them came from the Indian Diaspora and specifically RH.   Some 100 or so were hauled off to jail or given severe fines for being stupidly crooked.

 

BTW Every indian in Guyana have adopted the lifestyle of the colonials. I saw a picture of the PPP cadre on their way to parliament and one would think they fell off the pages of GQ . That is not bad for emulating the white man. Actually is is as close as you can get.

 

There is nothing wrong with it. It is who we have become as we embrace the western intellectual traditions and add our own views to it making it richer and more broadly textured and the best in the world.

 

Note Guyanese indians are from the doms, dossas, pillars, chamars, lohars, danglyars among another dozen or so people of tribal India. They are  culturally distinct people with the only thing unifying element being their land of origin and untouchability status. The present population of self identified Indians is diverse and not a unity. It is also syncretic having been blended among themselves internally  and by adopting western traditions.

 

Only 40 percent of Indians in Guyana are Hindus and that is a high estimate. Their Hinduism, though ritualistically reflective of India, cannot be said to be lifted whole cloth from the region. Some 25 percent  are Christians, another another 12 to 16 percent being Muslims and the rest are non practicing individuals.Please think before you speak  and insult your fellow Indians by deeming them all  close minded and insular. They are thoroughly western. Those in the second diaspora to the Americas and Europe are even  more so westernized.

 

Note also, one in every five of every individual in our society is of mixed race demonstrating clearly that you missed the boat with this suggestion that Indians are not exactly like black people, a thoroughly integrated people western cultures.

 

I do not want to speak to the rest of your post since it is a confusing mishmash of confused understanding of historical facts, useless stereotyping and plain accumulated ignorance. Simply suggesting I have a white mans view without telling me what that is means little.

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Caribj,

 

U r offended when the claim is made that East Indians saved the sugar industry. 

 

Until the late 60s Jamaica had a LARGER sugar industry than did Guyana.  Jamaica's exports of non traditional food products is larger than that of Guyana.

 

You will peddle the racism that without Indians there would be nothing in Guyana.

 

Now run and tell your Nigerian that you think that blacks are lazy, savage, and criminal.

Listen man, let us be serious. Why don't u leave my pastor out of the discussion. Out of respect for the mans integrity, I asking u all to stop it. If any of you continue with naming the mans profession, then I will stop posting on this thread.

 

You can consider ur actions as Bullyism.

S
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:

Caribj,

 

U r offended when the claim is made that East Indians saved the sugar industry. 

 

Until the late 60s Jamaica had a LARGER sugar industry than did Guyana.  Jamaica's exports of non traditional food products is larger than that of Guyana.

 

You will peddle the racism that without Indians there would be nothing in Guyana.

 

Now run and tell your Nigerian that you think that blacks are lazy, savage, and criminal.

Listen man, let us be serious. Why don't u leave my pastor out of the discussion. Out of respect for the mans integrity, I asking u all to stop it. If any of you continue with naming the mans profession, then I will stop posting on this thread.

 

You can consider ur actions as Bullyism.

seignet, i am constrained to remind that it was you who dragged your "Nigerian pastor" into the unholy vomitarium u and george dasilva have carved out and spend so much quality time filling up

 

perhaps u can sanction yourself, no?

 

and lissen up u ridiculous foul-smelling antiman, no one gives a rat's ass whether you consider anything "Bullyism" or whether u continue to post here or not

 

yeah . . . seriously

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

 

 

CaribJ,

 

Funny how Jalil, who spent months cursing me here in the most nasty and effeminate fashion, expected me to make sure Indos get jobsâ€Ķsomehow Moses is excused. Why Jalil, KishanB, Brian Tiwari, DrugB, Yuji, Baseman and Rev Al cursed me out? Because I supported a blackman, Granger, to be President. I was first to help to open up Richmond Hill for Granger. I was the one who asked Mike Persaud to organize some trips to RH. Several people said it is normal for black leaders to go to Brooklyn and Indos to stay in Richmond Hill. Leave it the way it is! Mike and I said we have to end this nonsense. The point is when these effeminate types were cursing me out you CARIBJ said nothing and possibly enjoyed it. Now you like Jalil have another expectation: that I must police these effeminate little men who just like you are hiding and writing behind the computer.

 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

I am not responsible for the comments of these gurly men, especially since I was a subject of their racial venom. And you said nothing!! If I were Raymond Nehru, Cobra and Siegnet would have been banned – not suspended – by now. Nehru would have gone for constantly using the house slave reference. But somehow I am responsible for the comments of these morons.

 

The original post by Danyel makes several assertions for which we have to ask how representative they are of the entire group of East Indians. Some of the assertions can’t pass a peer review process without some data to back them up. I will comment more on this later.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
 

My address above was to the wrongheadedness of the arguments. Indians are no brighter or smarter than any. They are not less inclined to thievery and debauchery than any nor are they possessed of a superior culture or creed than any other. They are just another human group negotiating social space and inventing all sorts of rancid crap ( in this case) to claim a preferred space.

 

It was an Indian government...rife with ethnic nepotism...inclined to thievery and corruption that has us where we are. APNU if they can must dig us out. They like any has the smarts to do it. They like any can fail on reasons no less than the PPP/

OOOH no.  Black man is evil, savage, criminal, illiterate, lazy, and lives for nothing other than feasting off of Indians, and rubbing Indian blood as he engages in orgies of violence.

 

This is spread DAILY by the Indo KKK, yet look and see who VVP, VishMohabir and the other socalled moderates Indians call racists.

 

Caribj, redux, and Itaname. 

 

NOT cobra, rama, yuji, and the rest of the Indo KKK, including the "Christian" man who is busy praying for God to cast evil on Afro Guyanese.

 

I knew that this was the direction that this thread would go.

 

I am curious about the regression analysis that TK will do to prove that Indian racism doesn't exist in Guyana, and that its only Burnham who is responsible for ethnic exclusion.

Actually these things are all in your head, caribJ. You see at no time I ever denied Indian racism. This is the constant them of my writing. Speaking about regressions...they can be used to quantify the racism on both sides. It is much better than pissing in the wind narrative subjective assertions like yours from an anonymous handle. I hope some young Guyanese will take up the challenge...because I have other interests.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
Guyana.Just as Forbes was disappointed wid Black folks and their progress, Ganagdeen will too. And he too will embrace the industrious East Indians.   

And he says this and thinks that he isn't a racist.

 

Seignet your racism is so deep that you don't even recognize it for what it is.

 

Every post of yours proves Danyael right.

 

Every post of yours where there is no rebuttal from TK, Kari, VVP, VishMahabir, and Chief, suggests that Danyael is clearly correct that this is the belief system among Indians, jst that some are more open in saying so.

 

Gilbakka, Riffraff and Mitwah are the only Indians who rebuff this racism. 

I have done MORE THAN YOU CARIBJ to improve race relations in Guyana. I am not responsible for their comments. The moderator is the one responsible for banning them. I would have.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

 

 

CaribJ,

 

Funny how Jalil, who spent months cursing me here in the most nasty and effeminate fashion, expected me to make sure Indos get jobsâ€Ķsomehow Moses is excused. Why Jalil, KishanB, Brian Tiwari, DrugB, Yuji, Baseman and Rev Al cursed me out? Because I supported a blackman, Granger, to be President. I was first to help to open up Richmond Hill for Granger. I was the one who asked Mike Persaud to organize some trips to RH. Several people said it is normal for black leaders to go to Brooklyn and Indos to stay in Richmond Hill. Leave it the way it is! Mike and I said we have to end this nonsense. The point is when these effeminate types were cursing me out you CARIBJ said nothing and possibly enjoyed it. Now you like Jalil have another expectation: that I must police these effeminate little men who just like you are hiding and writing behind the computer.

 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

I am not responsible for the comments of these gurly men, especially since I was a subject of their racial venom. And you said nothing!! If I were Raymond Nehru, Cobra and Siegnet would have been banned – not suspended – by now. Nehru would have gone for constantly using the house slave reference. But somehow I am responsible for the comments of these morons.

 

The original post by Danyel makes several assertions for which we have to ask how representative they are of the entire group of East Indians. Some of the assertions can’t pass a peer review process without some data to back them up. I will comment more on this later.

I am first to say that not all indians are racists. That would invalidate my proposition that racism is a cultivated habit. I said it is a constant in the indian community for several reasons listed.

 

Racism in our society presently is manifestly in the tribalized politics centered on parties. I pointed out that the present issue with Nagamottoo is ravi dev driven and it is completely on massaging racism. He claims he is not indian...meaning he is with the black people and predicating a form of self hate all of which is pure nonsense to make Indians mad.

 

It has leverage and political capital because it has a latent reservoir of racism in the culture to be tapped activated and transform int a significant political movement.

 

 

I am willing to defend that before any academic group because my source material, is not impoverished. Actually, it is quite fecund. This board may not be a representation of indians in general but it distills out what is fertile ground in the culture. Note I also grew up in it, knows all its nuanced  expressions and none of it is good for us if we are to build a future.

 

At my age I am quite competent to defend any position I assert. As I said, I have lots of source material since I make no off the wall statements. What is off the wall is the opposite view that we hear all the time that highlights what I speak of from the abundance of idiots claiming superior itellectual capacities

FM
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Originally Posted by seignet:
.

Listen man, let us be serious. Why don't u leave my pastor out of the discussion. Out of respect for the mans integrity, I asking u all to stop it. If any of you continue with naming the mans profession, then I will stop posting on this thread.

 

You can consider ur actions as Bullyism.

When you claim that YOUR pastor is encouraging you with your RACISM. he becomes party to your BIGOTRY.

 

It is sad that a BLACK MAN, is going to be party to an INDO SUPREMACIST in lambasting black people.

 

So tell your pastor to BUTT out of an issue that HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND!

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

 

 

CaribJ,

 

Funny how Jalil, who spent months cursing me here in the most nasty and effeminate fashion, expected me to make sure Indos get jobsâ€Ķsomehow Moses is excused. Why Jalil, KishanB, Brian Tiwari, DrugB, Yuji, Baseman and Rev Al cursed me out? Because I supported a blackman, Granger, to be President. I was first to help to open up Richmond Hill for Granger. I was the one who asked Mike Persaud to organize some trips to RH. Several people said it is normal for black leaders to go to Brooklyn and Indos to stay in Richmond Hill. Leave it the way it is! Mike and I said we have to end this nonsense. The point is when these effeminate types were cursing me out you CARIBJ said nothing and possibly enjoyed it. Now you like Jalil have another expectation: that I must police these effeminate little men who just like you are hiding and writing behind the computer.

 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

I am not responsible for the comments of these gurly men, especially since I was a subject of their racial venom. And you said nothing!! If I were Raymond Nehru, Cobra and Siegnet would have been banned – not suspended – by now. Nehru would have gone for constantly using the house slave reference. But somehow I am responsible for the comments of these morons.

 

The original post by Danyel makes several assertions for which we have to ask how representative they are of the entire group of East Indians. Some of the assertions can’t pass a peer review process without some data to back them up. I will comment more on this later.

I am first to say that not all indians are racists. That would invalidate my proposition that racism is a cultivated habit. I said it is a constant in the indian community for several reasons listed.

 

Racism in our society presently is manifestly in the tribalized politics centered on parties. I pointed out that the present issue with Nagamottoo is ravi dev driven and it is completely on massaging racism. He claims he is not indian...meaning he is with the black people and predicating a form of self hate all of which is pure nonsense to make Indians mad.

 

It has leverage and political capital because it has a latent reservoir of racism in the culture to be tapped activated and transform int a significant political movement.

 

 

I am willing to defend that before any academic group because my source material, is not impoverished. Actually, it is quite fecund. This board may not be a representation of indians in general but it distills out what is fertile ground in the culture. Note I also grew up in it, knows all its nuanced  expressions and none of it is good for us if we are to build a future.

 

At my age I am quite competent to defend any position I assert. As I said, I have lots of source material since I make no off the wall statements. What is off the wall is the opposite view that we hear all the time that highlights what I speak of from the abundance of idiots claiming superior itellectual capacities

You people have nuff time on your hands to argue and pontificate on the internet. Do any of you fellas work or go to school???? Where do you find the time to massage each other comments?

 

The single most important problem here is that none of you are honest and you are hiding behind a fake name (except for TK I believe). I am sure all of you or some of you will not express the same positions in public in response to each other. ...

 

By the way, this Danyeal fella sounds a lot like Freddie Kissoon...maybe he is.   

V
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Originally Posted by TK:
 

I have done MORE THAN YOU CARIBJ to improve race relations

Unless you are CONFRONTING  the myth  "bad black man beating up we poor Indians". You are doing NOTHING!

 

TK, these aren't comments by a few Indians.  These comments summarize exactly how Africans perceive Indians, and unless Indians are VISIBLY fighting AGAINST this bigotry, they are NOT contributing to improved relations. 

 

Now you can play PC, with political elites who will be PC back to you, and then fool yourself that this is improving ethnic relations.

 

IT IS NOT!  I know exactly the conversation which occurs among Afro Guyanese and why they don't trust Indians.  What the SAME people who play PC with you say when you aren't around!

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
. Speaking about regressions....

TK.  NO one denies the existence of African racism towards Indians.  When it does occur many Africans speak out to stop it.  As a result one will NOT see open manifestations of this among credible people.

 

Indian racism is open.  Few Indians OPENLY condemn it, so now we have Jagdeo of all people who can OPENLY spread this poison, together with his pals at Guyana Times.  Why do they do this?  Because they are NOT shamed into knowing that this is WRONG, and that these views do not enhoy widespread support.

 

So continue to do your regression analysis about race based voting.  That does NOT measure racism.  It measures RACIAL INSECURITY, which arises from racism perpetuated by the elites.

 

I have no doubt that within the PNC exist many African bigots.  They keep their views to THEMSELVES, as the Africans in APNU, starting with Granger HIMSELF, will SHAME them.  So they keep their opinions QUIET.

 

So quit pretending as if there is equivalency in how African and Indian bigotry manifest in Guyana in 2015.

 

DAILY we see loud screams of Indo SUPREMACY, from Jagdeo, and from the Guyana Times.  Even LUNCHEON had to complain about this!

FM
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Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
You people have nuff time on your hands to argue and pontificate on the internet. Do any of you fellas work or go to school???? Where do you find the time to massage each other comments?

 

The single most important problem here is that none of you are honest and you are hiding behind a fake name (except for TK I believe). I am sure all of you or some of you will not express the same positions in public in response to each other. ...

 

By the way, this Danyeal fella sounds a lot like Freddie Kissoon...maybe he is.   

vish, it is none of your bloody business what people here do with their free time . . . only idle antiman feels a need to ponder and to inquire

 

it is also none of your bloody business why they choose to post anonymously . . . or not

 

as to honesty, i suggest u stop guiltily projecting your own mendacity on to others much more worthy . . . much much much more civilized

 

that's a low-functioning bush league move long favored by PPP paid posters of yore

 

tek my advice; you'll end up looking less a fool

FM
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Originally Posted by Danyael:
. He claims he is not indian...meaning he is with the black people and predicating a form of self hate all of which is pure nonsense to make Indians mad.

 

It has leverage and political capital because it has a latent reservoir of racism in the culture to be tapped activated and transform int a significant political movement.

 

 

I

And the fact that Jagdeo, Ravi Dev, the Guyana Times, and others were so confident that open bigotry against blacks (and those Indians willing to cooperate with them) would work is the problem.

 

IT WORKED.

 

Now compare this with the crowds of Africans who embraced Roopnarine in 2011 (some claim that it was HE, and not Granger, who was responsible for the massive improvement in the PNC/APNU performance over 2006).  And again Moses Nagamootoo. to the point where when a disturbance was occurring in G/town Nagamootoo went out and calmed the people and THEY LISTENED.  None of this "we en gun listen to no collie man".

 

It is about time that the issue of Indian racism is analyzed and discussed.  The racism of the PNC, during the 60s disturbances, and during the Burnham era, has been discussed to death, and in combination with the anti Indian attitudes of Africans which enabled it.

 

But when light is shone on Indian racism folks scurry and hide like cockroaches when one turns on the light.

 

TK you are NOT part of the process of getting Africans to stop believing that it is ONLY the EXCEPTIONAL Indian, who they can trust.  The thinking being that most are racist and clannish, and so DANGEROUS!

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by cain:

Siggy, what I am reading here is simple, the black posters are evil all others angels. Banna that is BULLSHIT.

 

Carib is quite correct when he says others are not coming in and disputing any of the racial things being said when by an Indian but anything coming from the three you mentioned, is met with much criticism.

 

This is the type of bullshit that doesn't help when seeking a solution for Guyana.

 

Cain,

 

Seignet and his Indian KKK crowd on GNI articulate clearly the way many indians view blacks. We blacks are ignorant, lazy, thieves, dullards, bereft of any "culture" of our own, existing only to rob and live off indians. We are savages and only evil resides in us (see Seignet's demons, Rama's multiple rawan comments and Yugi's similiar rants). They loudly proclaim this narrative as "truth" and thump their chests for the "boldness" to speak it.

 

These Indians are "superior" to us in every way, a textbook definition of their racism. Even black folks with honorable professions in the civil service or as nurses are looked down upon as "lazy govt. workers". You see, even those blacks are inferior to the almighty indian.

 

What's funny is the majority of indians in Guyana are very poor, some way below poverty levels, barely eking out an existence. Same for blacks and Amerindians - the majority are poor. But the racist Indian, blinded by his desire for hegemony, doesn't see this. He is, and always will be superior to black folks and Guyana is his land and not to be shared with the descendants of black slaves. What way forward can they be when dealing with folks like this who are not interested in a multiracial society?

 

Seignet is very old, an adult already in the 60's. Read his posts carefully and you'll see why black folks accepted Burnham as an alternative. If Guyana is not careful with the Seignets, basemans and Yugis, I fear we will see the emergence of another hard liner like Burnham.

  And look at TK scrurrying around trying to divert discussion away fro racism.

 

Like I said before I don't care about the Indo KKK, which is why I had fun with them and their homoerotic fantasies about BIG BLACK INGNAR BIG LOLO PNC MAN.

 

But when I hear Jagdeo, Guyana Times and other POWERFUL people peddling the same NONSENCE. When a political party can win at least 95% of the Indian vote by screaming "Moses ah wan BLACKMAN", and then scream "if blackman win, dey gun rob and beat you and rape yuh daughter" and ALMOST WIN the election. Not only doing so in Indian strongholds, but terrifying Amerindians as well.

 

TK this isn't about a few anonymous aunty men who lust over large black penises, and are so jealous that they don't want their daughters to sample them.  This is about POWERFUL people in Guyana.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
 

 

The originl post by Danyel makes several assertions for which we have to ask how representative they are of the entire group of East Indians. Some of the assertions can’t pass a peer review process without some data to back them up. I will comment more on this later.

I will tell you this as an Afro Guyanese. Danyael sums up EXACTLY how most Africans feel about your average Indian. 

 

Yes, go to your political events where political elites "smile" at each other, as they seek alliances.

 

An anti Jagdeo PPP factions thinking that an APNU alliance was the only option which they had. 

 

A PNC faction thinking that baking a cake, and putting a THIN layer of Indian icing, would insulate them from the stench of the Burnham era, so increasing the possibility of victory.

 

THAT is not what your average Afro Guyanese cares about!

 

I don't care whether you are talking about the African corporate executive, or the African laborer, this is their view of Indians.  When Jagdeo screams nastiness about blacks, it is only the FEW Indians who ALREADY cooperate with blacks, and who are ISOLATED by Indians as a result, who they hear condemning them.  They need to hear MAINSTREAM Indians doing so!

 

So what are they to believe?  Not that most Indians share these opinions, but are too polite or scared to openly admit this?

 

If you want to reduce ethnic distrust YOU have to OPENLY discuss Indian racism and its impact on how Africans perceive them.

 

Don't waste time with some regression analysis which proves that both Indians and Africans and mixed (most being part African) vote race. Who is seriously disputing that fact?

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
 

Seignet is very old, an adult already in the 60's. Read his posts carefully and you'll see why black folks accepted Burnham as an alternative. If Guyana is not careful with the Seignets, basemans and Yugis, I fear we will see the emergence of another hard liner like Burnham.

And this is also why I warned the AFC Indos not to make more of Moses over Granger as they so often did before the election. 

 

I similarly warned them about screaming that they were the "king makers" because they brought in small sliver that enabled an election victory, especially when this was most likely LESS than the increased turn out in PNC strongholds.  They wanted to dominate the coalition gov't and to reduce Granger into being the eunuch that Sam Hinds was.

 

What I do note is that the vast majority of Indian posters on GNI, INCLUDING TK< are very ignorant of the mind set of the African, and also over focused on the Indian.  Unity means addressing the concerns of BOTH Indians and Africans, but they just don't seem to get that.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
 

I am not responsible for the comments of these gurly men, especially since I was a subject of their racial venom. And you said nothing!!

Interesting.  I have been condemned as an Indian hating racist.  Told that I love to drink the blood of dead Indians.  All because I demand that Indian racism be equated as African racism.

 

And you say NOTHING!

 

So of what use would I have been?  And at what point have you EVER been interested in discussing Indian racism?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

I have done MORE THAN YOU CARIBJ to improve race relations

Unless you are CONFRONTING  the myth  "bad black man beating up we poor Indians". You are doing NOTHING!

 

TK, these aren't comments by a few Indians.  These comments summarize exactly how Africans perceive Indians, and unless Indians are VISIBLY fighting AGAINST this bigotry, they are NOT contributing to improved relations. 

 

Now you can play PC, with political elites who will be PC back to you, and then fool yourself that this is improving ethnic relations.

 

IT IS NOT!  I know exactly the conversation which occurs among Afro Guyanese and why they don't trust Indians.  What the SAME people who play PC with you say when you aren't around!

First, I have confronted the myth in the official press and comments here in GNI. I have commented numerous times that Guyana Times and Jagdeo used the myth to subjugate Indos mentally into fearing blacks when there is no reason for that. The way to confront the myth is to write about it in the official press. Done that!! Second, I can't know how Africans in the majority feel about Indians unless you have some scientifically survey data to back up your testable assertions. Do you have some survey data?  

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

I am not responsible for the comments of these gurly men, especially since I was a subject of their racial venom. And you said nothing!!

Interesting.  I have been condemned as an Indian hating racist.  Told that I love to drink the blood of dead Indians.  All because I demand that Indian racism be equated as African racism.

 

And you say NOTHING!

 

So of what use would I have been?  And at what point have you EVER been interested in discussing Indian racism?

I have already discussed Indian racism in the official press. They have told me worse...on Facebook and here...

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
. He claims he is not indian...meaning he is with the black people and predicating a form of self hate all of which is pure nonsense to make Indians mad.

 

It has leverage and political capital because it has a latent reservoir of racism in the culture to be tapped activated and transform int a significant political movement.

 

 

I

And the fact that Jagdeo, Ravi Dev, the Guyana Times, and others were so confident that open bigotry against blacks (and those Indians willing to cooperate with them) would work is the problem.

 

IT WORKED.

 

Now compare this with the crowds of Africans who embraced Roopnarine in 2011 (some claim that it was HE, and not Granger, who was responsible for the massive improvement in the PNC/APNU performance over 2006).  And again Moses Nagamootoo. to the point where when a disturbance was occurring in G/town Nagamootoo went out and calmed the people and THEY LISTENED.  None of this "we en gun listen to no collie man".

 

It is about time that the issue of Indian racism is analyzed and discussed.  The racism of the PNC, during the 60s disturbances, and during the Burnham era, has been discussed to death, and in combination with the anti Indian attitudes of Africans which enabled it.

 

But when light is shone on Indian racism folks scurry and hide like cockroaches when one turns on the light.

 

TK you are NOT part of the process of getting Africans to stop believing that it is ONLY the EXCEPTIONAL Indian, who they can trust.  The thinking being that most are racist and clannish, and so DANGEROUS!

WHAT WORKED? JAGDEO LOST THE ELECTION THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.

FM
Originally Posted by VishMahabir:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Lame Brain, dem Indians yuh referring to learn how to do bad things from the PNC era. 

And his racism deepens.  Now blackman is too blame even when Indians turn bad.

 

Soon you will be blaming blacks for the fact that Indo Guyanese have the HIGHEST suicide rate in the WORLD!

 

Any way TK, VishMahabir, Kari, VVP, and Zed have endorsed this view as they certainly have nothing to say about it, even as they collectively accuse blacks of racism when we raise the  fact of anti black bigotry that is rampant on GNI.

 

 

CaribJ,

 

Funny how Jalil, who spent months cursing me here in the most nasty and effeminate fashion, expected me to make sure Indos get jobsâ€Ķsomehow Moses is excused. Why Jalil, KishanB, Brian Tiwari, DrugB, Yuji, Baseman and Rev Al cursed me out? Because I supported a blackman, Granger, to be President. I was first to help to open up Richmond Hill for Granger. I was the one who asked Mike Persaud to organize some trips to RH. Several people said it is normal for black leaders to go to Brooklyn and Indos to stay in Richmond Hill. Leave it the way it is! Mike and I said we have to end this nonsense. The point is when these effeminate types were cursing me out you CARIBJ said nothing and possibly enjoyed it. Now you like Jalil have another expectation: that I must police these effeminate little men who just like you are hiding and writing behind the computer.

 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

I am not responsible for the comments of these gurly men, especially since I was a subject of their racial venom. And you said nothing!! If I were Raymond Nehru, Cobra and Siegnet would have been banned – not suspended – by now. Nehru would have gone for constantly using the house slave reference. But somehow I am responsible for the comments of these morons.

 

The original post by Danyel makes several assertions for which we have to ask how representative they are of the entire group of East Indians. Some of the assertions can’t pass a peer review process without some data to back them up. I will comment more on this later.

I am first to say that not all indians are racists. That would invalidate my proposition that racism is a cultivated habit. I said it is a constant in the indian community for several reasons listed.

 

Racism in our society presently is manifestly in the tribalized politics centered on parties. I pointed out that the present issue with Nagamottoo is ravi dev driven and it is completely on massaging racism. He claims he is not indian...meaning he is with the black people and predicating a form of self hate all of which is pure nonsense to make Indians mad.

 

It has leverage and political capital because it has a latent reservoir of racism in the culture to be tapped activated and transform int a significant political movement.

 

 

I am willing to defend that before any academic group because my source material, is not impoverished. Actually, it is quite fecund. This board may not be a representation of indians in general but it distills out what is fertile ground in the culture. Note I also grew up in it, knows all its nuanced  expressions and none of it is good for us if we are to build a future.

 

At my age I am quite competent to defend any position I assert. As I said, I have lots of source material since I make no off the wall statements. What is off the wall is the opposite view that we hear all the time that highlights what I speak of from the abundance of idiots claiming superior itellectual capacities

You people have nuff time on your hands to argue and pontificate on the internet. Do any of you fellas work or go to school???? Where do you find the time to massage each other comments?

 

The single most important problem here is that none of you are honest and you are hiding behind a fake name (except for TK I believe). I am sure all of you or some of you will not express the same positions in public in response to each other. ...

 

By the way, this Danyeal fella sounds a lot like Freddie Kissoon...maybe he is.   

Why should I deny any thing you say? YOu wont believe me...then I am Freddie if that is what you see.

 

What I say is not something to hide behind a curtain and say. I say it because it is public theater and the actors are our public figures each playing a role and voicing our most intimate thoughts. You see me as Freddi because you feel inclined to associate me with a public figure that most suits your profile of the one that annoys you for disinfecting your wounds.

 

Names are just labels...I wrote here with my real name and changed it because someone stole it and was misusing it on other Guyanese forums the internet. My real name matters to me.  I therefor write with one if they steal and pretend it believes what they want to frame it to believe then they can have it  and I will just use another. It is not the alias that matters but what is said. That you can attack, rip apart that with the tools your intellect can afford. Knowing my real name wont change that. It has nothing to do with labels but with universal themes being played out in our society.

 

Further, people claiming to be of the PPP said they will kill me. They used to send me numerous e mails with all sorts of threats. I do not put that bast the PPP plus others here including TK have been attacked in various ways inclusive of harassing them at their work place. What is said here may be casual chit chat to us but to others it is serious business. The PPP had a well funded group of people including Jason, Benn je Shadood, Amar and lots of GINA crew trying to take over this and other boards. Misir and Kwame engineered that and out of that funding sector came New Guyana Media. This is very serious to those folks in office.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
. Speaking about regressions....

TK.  NO one denies the existence of African racism towards Indians.  When it does occur many Africans speak out to stop it.  As a result one will NOT see open manifestations of this among credible people.

 

Indian racism is open.  Few Indians OPENLY condemn it, so now we have Jagdeo of all people who can OPENLY spread this poison, together with his pals at Guyana Times.  Why do they do this?  Because they are NOT shamed into knowing that this is WRONG, and that these views do not enhoy widespread support.

 

So continue to do your regression analysis about race based voting.  That does NOT measure racism.  It measures RACIAL INSECURITY, which arises from racism perpetuated by the elites.

 

I have no doubt that within the PNC exist many African bigots.  They keep their views to THEMSELVES, as the Africans in APNU, starting with Granger HIMSELF, will SHAME them.  So they keep their opinions QUIET.

 

So quit pretending as if there is equivalency in how African and Indian bigotry manifest in Guyana in 2015.

 

DAILY we see loud screams of Indo SUPREMACY, from Jagdeo, and from the Guyana Times.  Even LUNCHEON had to complain about this!

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
. Speaking about regressions....

TK.  NO one denies the existence of African racism towards Indians.  When it does occur many Africans speak out to stop it.  As a result one will NOT see open manifestations of this among credible people.

 

Indian racism is open.  Few Indians OPENLY condemn it, so now we have Jagdeo of all people who can OPENLY spread this poison, together with his pals at Guyana Times.  Why do they do this?  Because they are NOT shamed into knowing that this is WRONG, and that these views do not enhoy widespread support.

 

So continue to do your regression analysis about race based voting.  That does NOT measure racism.  It measures RACIAL INSECURITY, which arises from racism perpetuated by the elites.

 

I have no doubt that within the PNC exist many African bigots.  They keep their views to THEMSELVES, as the Africans in APNU, starting with Granger HIMSELF, will SHAME them.  So they keep their opinions QUIET.

 

So quit pretending as if there is equivalency in how African and Indian bigotry manifest in Guyana in 2015.

 

DAILY we see loud screams of Indo SUPREMACY, from Jagdeo, and from the Guyana Times.  Even LUNCHEON had to complain about this!

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

Racism is also underlying belief systems driven by some social ethos. It does not spring simply from capital acquisition incentives but also from incentivizing ( and wrongly) a culture to set its borders that this is what we do or who "we are" as as opposed to "who they are".

 

From that belief system the initial inertia is given to the process because the process of taking differential from the resources of the state etc is justified by it and marginalization where it shows up is after the fact. Marginalization matters but what matters also is the horrible attrition to the soul the contemptuous disrespect racism afflicts on the psyche. It damages both the racist and the object of racism because it is not only an economic model ( in instances) but a cultural one that validates its existence.

FM
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Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
. Speaking about regressions....

TK.  NO one denies the existence of African racism towards Indians.  When it does occur many Africans speak out to stop it.  As a result one will NOT see open manifestations of this among credible people.

 

Indian racism is open.  Few Indians OPENLY condemn it, so now we have Jagdeo of all people who can OPENLY spread this poison, together with his pals at Guyana Times.  Why do they do this?  Because they are NOT shamed into knowing that this is WRONG, and that these views do not enhoy widespread support.

 

So continue to do your regression analysis about race based voting.  That does NOT measure racism.  It measures RACIAL INSECURITY, which arises from racism perpetuated by the elites.

 

I have no doubt that within the PNC exist many African bigots.  They keep their views to THEMSELVES, as the Africans in APNU, starting with Granger HIMSELF, will SHAME them.  So they keep their opinions QUIET.

 

So quit pretending as if there is equivalency in how African and Indian bigotry manifest in Guyana in 2015.

 

DAILY we see loud screams of Indo SUPREMACY, from Jagdeo, and from the Guyana Times.  Even LUNCHEON had to complain about this!

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

Racism is also underlying belief systems driven by some social ethos. It does not spring simply from capital acquisition incentives but also from incentivizing ( and wrongly) a culture to set its borders that this is what we do or who we as as opposed to them.

 

From that belief system the initial inertia is given to the process because the process of taking differentially from the resources of the state etc is justified by it and marginalization where it shows up is after the fact. Marginalization matters but what matters also is the horrible attrition to the soul the contemptuous disrespect racism afflicts on the psyche. It damages both the racist and the object of racism because it is not only an economic model ( in instances) but a cultural one that validates its existence.

I have problem with these cultural studies. They are too subjective to be the only authority of racism. The last household income and expenditure survey took place in 1996. But that one showed the most marginalized group in terms of poverty indicators to be Amerindians followed by rural Indos. Unfortunately Jagdeo did not do another survey, so we don't have proxy of marginalization. Also, there has to be a detailed study of access to private and public employment, with serious controls for social preferences. They have to look at access to credit, scholarship distribution, house lot distributions, etc. No one seems willing to do it.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
. Speaking about regressions....

TK.  NO one denies the existence of African racism towards Indians.  When it does occur many Africans speak out to stop it.  As a result one will NOT see open manifestations of this among credible people.

 

Indian racism is open.  Few Indians OPENLY condemn it, so now we have Jagdeo of all people who can OPENLY spread this poison, together with his pals at Guyana Times.  Why do they do this?  Because they are NOT shamed into knowing that this is WRONG, and that these views do not enhoy widespread support.

 

So continue to do your regression analysis about race based voting.  That does NOT measure racism.  It measures RACIAL INSECURITY, which arises from racism perpetuated by the elites.

 

I have no doubt that within the PNC exist many African bigots.  They keep their views to THEMSELVES, as the Africans in APNU, starting with Granger HIMSELF, will SHAME them.  So they keep their opinions QUIET.

 

So quit pretending as if there is equivalency in how African and Indian bigotry manifest in Guyana in 2015.

 

DAILY we see loud screams of Indo SUPREMACY, from Jagdeo, and from the Guyana Times.  Even LUNCHEON had to complain about this!

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

Racism is also underlying belief systems driven by some social ethos. It does not spring simply from capital acquisition incentives but also from incentivizing ( and wrongly) a culture to set its borders that this is what we do or who we as as opposed to them.

 

From that belief system the initial inertia is given to the process because the process of taking differentially from the resources of the state etc is justified by it and marginalization where it shows up is after the fact. Marginalization matters but what matters also is the horrible attrition to the soul the contemptuous disrespect racism afflicts on the psyche. It damages both the racist and the object of racism because it is not only an economic model ( in instances) but a cultural one that validates its existence.

I have problem with these cultural studies. They are too subjective to be the only authority of racism. The last household income and expenditure survey took place in 1996. But that one showed the most marginalized group in terms of poverty indicators to be Amerindians followed by rural Indos. Unfortunately Jagdeo did not do another survey, so we don't have proxy of marginalization. Also, there has to be a detailed study of access to private and public employment, with serious controls for social preferences. They have to look at access to credit, scholarship distribution, house lot distributions, etc. No one seems willing to do it.

Bro...I am a trained scientist and worked all my life with analysis of logical systems and still do. I have great respect for philosophers, anthropologists, writers, poets  and even economists ( ah that dismal science) because they are all subjective arenas at their core.

 

We gain our understanding initially from examining our Cultural systems and their value. We decide what we ought to do and are obliged to do because that is only how we can kick start anything. Aquinas noted we get to know them because it is what we do, were our natures different our duties would be different. We study our natures and our reality emerges. All reality quantified or qualified are what we make up as we go along because it is who we are.

 

Adam Smith was a social scientists So was Marx and Keynes. Their assumptions are about social ones and in efect cultural ethosr...men by their nature will seek to conserve their self interest hence the invisible hand orchestrating the symphony of free markets.....Men by nature are brutish and will seek value not due them because only labor has intrinsic value and ultimately the laborer will over throw the usurper of his labor...dialectal materialism.... Standing betwix and between is the concept aggregate demand and  that government intervention matters are all models rely on cultural assumptions.  As long as one can see discernible effects of behavior and only because we can see them can we formalize opinions about them and quantify their consequences.

FM
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Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
. Speaking about regressions....

TK.  NO one denies the existence of African racism towards Indians.  When it does occur many Africans speak out to stop it.  As a result one will NOT see open manifestations of this among credible people.

 

Indian racism is open.  Few Indians OPENLY condemn it, so now we have Jagdeo of all people who can OPENLY spread this poison, together with his pals at Guyana Times.  Why do they do this?  Because they are NOT shamed into knowing that this is WRONG, and that these views do not enhoy widespread support.

 

So continue to do your regression analysis about race based voting.  That does NOT measure racism.  It measures RACIAL INSECURITY, which arises from racism perpetuated by the elites.

 

I have no doubt that within the PNC exist many African bigots.  They keep their views to THEMSELVES, as the Africans in APNU, starting with Granger HIMSELF, will SHAME them.  So they keep their opinions QUIET.

 

So quit pretending as if there is equivalency in how African and Indian bigotry manifest in Guyana in 2015.

 

DAILY we see loud screams of Indo SUPREMACY, from Jagdeo, and from the Guyana Times.  Even LUNCHEON had to complain about this!

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

Racism is also underlying belief systems driven by some social ethos. It does not spring simply from capital acquisition incentives but also from incentivizing ( and wrongly) a culture to set its borders that this is what we do or who we as as opposed to them.

 

From that belief system the initial inertia is given to the process because the process of taking differentially from the resources of the state etc is justified by it and marginalization where it shows up is after the fact. Marginalization matters but what matters also is the horrible attrition to the soul the contemptuous disrespect racism afflicts on the psyche. It damages both the racist and the object of racism because it is not only an economic model ( in instances) but a cultural one that validates its existence.

I have problem with these cultural studies. They are too subjective to be the only authority of racism. The last household income and expenditure survey took place in 1996. But that one showed the most marginalized group in terms of poverty indicators to be Amerindians followed by rural Indos. Unfortunately Jagdeo did not do another survey, so we don't have proxy of marginalization. Also, there has to be a detailed study of access to private and public employment, with serious controls for social preferences. They have to look at access to credit, scholarship distribution, house lot distributions, etc. No one seems willing to do it.

Bro...I am a trained scientist and worked all my life with analysis of logical systems and still do. I have great respect for philosophers, anthropologists, writers, poets  and even economists ( ah that dismal science) because they are all subjective arenas at their core.

 

We gain our understanding initially from examining our Cultural systems and their value. We decide what we ought to do and are obliged to do because that is only how we can kick start anything. Aquinas noted we get to know them because it is what we do, were our natures different our duties would be different. We study our natures and our reality emerges. All reality quantified or qualified are what we make up as we go along because it is who we are.

 

Adam Smith was a social scientists So was Marx and Keynes. Their assumptions are about social ones and in efect cultural ethosr...men by their nature will seek to conserve their self interest hence the invisible hand orchestrating the symphony of free markets.....Men by nature are brutish and will seek value not due them because only labor has intrinsic value and ultimately the laborer will over throw the usurper of his labor...dialectal materialism.... Standing betwix and between is the concept aggregate demand and  that government intervention matters are all models rely on cultural assumptions.  As long as one can see discernible effects of behavior and only because we can see them can we formalize opinions about them and quantify their consequences.

I also love the work of great poets and philosophers. The point I am making is the opening post and CaribJ made some positivists (not normative) statements. In these instances we have to put some data to what we believe. Charges of discrimination and racism are serious accusations. Therefore, we also need to do sound data analyses and not just descriptive statistics as I have done with my tables from LAPOP. Serious controls have to be added to isolate racism in employment, voting, etc. Any social science discipline these days will ask for such.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
!! Second, I can't know how Africans in the majority feel about Indians unless you have some scientifically survey data to back up your testable assertions. Do you have some survey data?  

So TK do you have data for Indians?  

 

Africans do not trust Indian leadership. THAT fact must be obvious to you.  Why do you think that this is the case?  If you do want the national unity, whicvh you claim that you do, then do you not think that you ought to have factored that into the conversation?

 

Your comments were not about Indian racism, but about PPP tactics in the last election.  Indian racism didn't begin when the PPP decided to run their campaign on being the "coolie party". 

 

It was evident from 1992 when the PPP came into office and began to squeeze out blacks.  They did so with the FULL SUPPORT of the Indian population, because there was almost no criticism of this.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
!

WHAT WORKED? JAGDEO LOST THE ELECTION THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.

He almost won, and he galvanized the vast majority of the Indian vote in a way that the PPP hasn't done in a long time. 

 

You like data, so take note of the fact that the PPP increased its votes for the first time since 1997, even as the Indian population is shrinking.  The PPP added 30k voters on the coast, and given how racially polarized this election was, you know full well that they were Indians.

 

The PPP only lost because they didn't factor into the equation the ability of APNU to turn out almost record levels of votes in PNC strongholds, where the previously disaffected voted in large numbers.

 

Why do you think that Jagdeo is so pompous and arrogant now?  He has the full support of Indians, and knows that APNU's hold over the disaffected element of their base is quite slippery.  The PPP is well positioned to do well in the LGE if APNU/AFC doesn't look sharp.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
!

WHAT WORKED? JAGDEO LOST THE ELECTION THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.

He almost won, and he galvanized the vast majority of the Indian vote in a way that the PPP hasn't done in a long time. 

 

You like data, so take note of the fact that the PPP increased its votes for the first time since 1997, even as the Indian population is shrinking.  The PPP added 30k voters on the coast, and given how racially polarized this election was, you know full well that they were Indians.

 

The PPP only lost because they didn't factor into the equation the ability of APNU to turn out almost record levels of votes in PNC strongholds, where the previously disaffected voted in large numbers.

 

Why do you think that Jagdeo is so pompous and arrogant now?  He has the full support of Indians, and knows that APNU's hold over the disaffected element of their base is quite slippery.  The PPP is well positioned to do well in the LGE if APNU/AFC doesn't look sharp.

Excellent!  I think you just schooled TK about honesty and integrity.

R
Originally Posted by TK:
 

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

So Guyana Times is a powerless ignar.  Jagdeo is a powerless ignar.  When the Chronicle wrote a full page editorial screaming that Africans are violent, useless and live on to feast off Indians, were these GNI ignars.

 

So continue to scurry like a cockroach and pretend as if it is only a few crotchety old men who engage in this bigotry.

 

And how is racial voting racism, when the reason why people vote race is because of the ethnic exclusion and marginalization which they have suffered.  Africans suffered in 1961-64 and 1992-2015.  Indians suffered from 1964-90/92.

 

Racial voting is a SYMPTOM of institutional racism.  It is NOT the cause.

 

Now here is the deal.  The issue of African institutional racism and the behavior of the PNC has been well analyzed.  We have leading African intellectuals who have been quite vocal that it existed, definitely during the Burnham era. 

 

But have we had any similar discussion of Indian institutional racism?  NO!  Is there a large body of Indian intellectuals who maintain credibility with Indians who are vocal about Indian institutional racism?  NO!

 

 

So here is where we are in the narrative of race in Guyana.

 

1.  Burnham was a racist who killed thousands of Indians. Indians were the main victims of the 62/64 violence and Sun Chapman was a plot by the PNC.  So we have baaad black man, innocent Indian.

 

2.  During the PPP era this demonization of blacks was used as JUSTIFICATION for Indian institutional racism.  When Africans complained, they were demonized as racists.

 

You can do all your regressions of you wish but if it is based on a flawed strategy the results will be flawed.  Race voting is a REACTION to institutional racism which BOTH Indian and African elites have been guilty of.

 

To blame ordinary powerless people for their political behavior is senseless, unless you endorse those Africans who abused Indians as racists for voting PPP in the last elections.  I don't.

FM
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
.

Excellent!  I think you just schooled TK about honesty and integrity.

I am doing no such thing.  I am saying that African and Indian elites have practiced institutional racism, which has adversely impacted ordinary Guyanese. 

 

The result is that Guyanese vote on the basis of "my leader is a corrupt, evil, and incompetent devil, but at least he will not starve me out like yours will".

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
 

 

 

I have problem with these cultural studies. They are too subjective to be the only authority of racism. The last household income and expenditure survey took place in 1996. But that one showed the most marginalized group in terms of poverty indicators to be Amerindians followed by rural Indos. Unfortunately Jagdeo did not do another survey, so we don't have proxy of marginalization. Also, there has to be a detailed study of access to private and public employment, with serious controls for social preferences. They have to look at access to credit, scholarship distribution, house lot distributions, etc. No one seems willing to do it.

You have to be kidding if you tell me that rural Africans are better off than rural Indians.

 

Did the survey break out based on race, or are you engaging on the simplistic Interior=Amerindian, rural=Indian, urban=African.

 

Any way scurry around like a cockroach to avoid any discussion on Indian institutional racism, which by the way isn't just the PPP, but also extends into the Indo dominated private sector.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
!! Second, I can't know how Africans in the majority feel about Indians unless you have some scientifically survey data to back up your testable assertions. Do you have some survey data?  

So TK do you have data for Indians?  

 

Africans do not trust Indian leadership. THAT fact must be obvious to you.  Why do you think that this is the case?  If you do want the national unity, whicvh you claim that you do, then do you not think that you ought to have factored that into the conversation?

 

Your comments were not about Indian racism, but about PPP tactics in the last election.  Indian racism didn't begin when the PPP decided to run their campaign on being the "coolie party". 

 

It was evident from 1992 when the PPP came into office and began to squeeze out blacks.  They did so with the FULL SUPPORT of the Indian population, because there was almost no criticism of this.

There are lot's of indirect data in the LAPOP data set such as voting preferences. The voting preference is a good proxy for racial preferences since both of the major parties lack vision and have helped the stagnation of Guyana. The two main ethnic groups reflect different preferences in almost everything. That's how I can tell you there is a big problem. I don't rely on the thoughts of a few ignars or my close friends and family.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
.CaribJ made some positivists (not normative) statements. .

Let me summarize my statements.

 

1. Indian and African institutional racism and ethnic exclusion has been the norm since Guyanese have had some level of control of governance.

 

2.  The result is that the population is polarized based on ethnicity, due to their own experiences.

 

3.  The Jagans, with their "West on Trial" racist track have crafted a well developed narrative of the "savage black man beating up innocent Indians".  This has been used by the PPP, and by people like YOU, to avoid any serious discussion of Indian institutional racism.

 

4.  African institutional racism has been well discussed and analyzed, and some of the most vocal people on this were people like Walter Rodney, David Hinds, and Eusi Kwayana.  ALL of whom by the way continue to be well perceived by most Afro Guyanese.

 

So we do not have a balanced narrative on the African and the Indian institutional racisms.  This is why the PNC cannot speak to issues of race in the way that the PPP can, because any defense of African interests is seen in the light of African violence, because of the demonization of the Afro Guyanese.

 

Not only does the PPP speak to race, but they do so in most vulgar and bigoted terms, and they do so because they aren't shamed.  WHERE are the Indians equivalent to David Hinds, Rodney and Kwayana, who enjoy credibility among Indians, but who will NOT tolerate Indian bigotry. 

 

Yes there are Indians who do speak out on this, and then they are banished from the Indian community.

 

1. Why can an African speak to African bigotry and African institutional racism, and yet continue to enjoy credibility among Africans while the reverse isn't true?

 

2. And why do Africans immediately silence African bigots, while Indian bigits can spew their poison without shame?

 

These are questions which YOU need to answer instead of scurrying around trying to pretend that the PPP was not racist, when every African knows fully well that they were.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
.

There are lot's of indirect data in the LAPOP data set such as voting preferences. The voting preference is a good proxy for racial preferences since both of the major parties lack vision and have helped the stagnation of Guyana. The two main ethnic groups reflect different preferences in almost everything. That's how I can tell you there is a big problem. I don't rely on the thoughts of a few ignars or my close friends and family.

A major problem that you have is that you rely on numbers, but do not place your data within context.  You need QUALITATIVE analysis to give context to your quantitative data.

 

So what do you expect of Guyanese.

 

Indians lived under PNC repression from 1964 to around 1990, when Hoyte was finally able to side line the Burnham hardliners.  So why will Indians trust the PNC, which after all dominates APNU and the coalition gov't.

 

Africans lived under the PPP in the early 60s, when Janet was attempting to ethnically exclude African and mixed civil servants.  The PPP came back in 1992 and this time was quite successful in squeezing Africans out of leadership.  In addition that "bad black man" mantra. gave the private sector the justification to do the same.

 

So why will Africans trust a PPP government.

 

So all LAPOP tells you is that Africans/mixed and Indians vote race because of their bad experience with institutional racism.  If that is what you base your argument then you have NOTHING.

 

Now continue to avoid analysis as to why in Guyana it is legitimate to chatter about what Africans have done to Indians, and yet when one chats about what Indians have done to Africans we get all sorts of diversionary tactics.

 

THIS is why Jagdeo can go out and scream about "blackman" in PUBLIC.  No African hardliner dare do that.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
.CaribJ made some positivists (not normative) statements. .

Let me summarize my statements.

 

1. Indian and African institutional racism and ethnic exclusion has been the norm since Guyanese have had some level of control of governance.

 

2.  The result is that the population is polarized based on ethnicity, due to their own experiences.

 

3.  The Jagans, with their "West on Trial" racist track have crafted a well developed narrative of the "savage black man beating up innocent Indians".  This has been used by the PPP, and by people like YOU, to avoid any serious discussion of Indian institutional racism.

 

4.  African institutional racism has been well discussed and analyzed, and some of the most vocal people on this were people like Walter Rodney, David Hinds, and Eusi Kwayana.  ALL of whom by the way continue to be well perceived by most Afro Guyanese.

 

So we do not have a balanced narrative on the African and the Indian institutional racisms.  This is why the PNC cannot speak to issues of race in the way that the PPP can, because any defense of African interests is seen in the light of African violence, because of the demonization of the Afro Guyanese.

 

Not only does the PPP speak to race, but they do so in most vulgar and bigoted terms, and they do so because they aren't shamed.  WHERE are the Indians equivalent to David Hinds, Rodney and Kwayana, who enjoy credibility among Indians, but who will NOT tolerate Indian bigotry. 

 

Yes there are Indians who do speak out on this, and then they are banished from the Indian community.

 

1. Why can an African speak to African bigotry and African institutional racism, and yet continue to enjoy credibility among Africans while the reverse isn't true?

 

2. And why do Africans immediately silence African bigots, while Indian bigits can spew their poison without shame?

 

These are questions which YOU need to answer instead of scurrying around trying to pretend that the PPP was not racist, when every African knows fully well that they were.

Stop inventing a straw man. I never said the PPP is not racist. The evidence show (and this was written in public several times) that the PPP led the most explicitly racist election campaign in 2011 and 2015. You and I agree completely on 1, 2 and 3 above. Number 4 is largely correct, but I don't agree with the analyses that the racism is mainly a cultural reflection and stereotypes are the end result of racism. My view is the harsh geography of Guyana make economic failure more likely and therefore the tendency to blame the other group. The handicap geography imposed was made worse by some terrible leaders since independence.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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There are lot's of indirect data in the LAPOP data set such as voting preferences. The voting preference is a good proxy for racial preferences since both of the major parties lack vision and have helped the stagnation of Guyana. The two main ethnic groups reflect different preferences in almost everything. That's how I can tell you there is a big problem. I don't rely on the thoughts of a few ignars or my close friends and family.

A major problem that you have is that you rely on numbers, but do not place your data within context.  You need QUALITATIVE analysis to give context to your quantitative data.

 

So what do you expect of Guyanese.

 

Indians lived under PNC repression from 1964 to around 1990, when Hoyte was finally able to side line the Burnham hardliners.  So why will Indians trust the PNC, which after all dominates APNU and the coalition gov't.

 

Africans lived under the PPP in the early 60s, when Janet was attempting to ethnically exclude African and mixed civil servants.  The PPP came back in 1992 and this time was quite successful in squeezing Africans out of leadership.  In addition that "bad black man" mantra. gave the private sector the justification to do the same.

 

So why will Africans trust a PPP government.

 

So all LAPOP tells you is that Africans/mixed and Indians vote race because of their bad experience with institutional racism.  If that is what you base your argument then you have NOTHING.

 

Now continue to avoid analysis as to why in Guyana it is legitimate to chatter about what Africans have done to Indians, and yet when one chats about what Indians have done to Africans we get all sorts of diversionary tactics.

 

THIS is why Jagdeo can go out and scream about "blackman" in PUBLIC.  No African hardliner dare do that.

Quants is the only game in town. Even qualitative conditions can be made quantitative. I hope some kids in their 20s can take up this challenge. This is not hard...just that I have other interests and I have burned up a lot of time on research on Guyana. It is time to move on for me...

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

 

 

I have problem with these cultural studies. They are too subjective to be the only authority of racism. The last household income and expenditure survey took place in 1996. But that one showed the most marginalized group in terms of poverty indicators to be Amerindians followed by rural Indos. Unfortunately Jagdeo did not do another survey, so we don't have proxy of marginalization. Also, there has to be a detailed study of access to private and public employment, with serious controls for social preferences. They have to look at access to credit, scholarship distribution, house lot distributions, etc. No one seems willing to do it.

You have to be kidding if you tell me that rural Africans are better off than rural Indians.

 

Did the survey break out based on race, or are you engaging on the simplistic Interior=Amerindian, rural=Indian, urban=African.

 

Any way scurry around like a cockroach to avoid any discussion on Indian institutional racism, which by the way isn't just the PPP, but also extends into the Indo dominated private sector.

We will need data now to verify whether rural Indians are now better off. I don't have to scurry off like a cockroach...I am certain you will not risk telling me that in my face. I have been calling PPP racism in letters and numerous articles. Data is the only game in town.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

 

If you want to measure racism you have to look at marginalization. Racism has to show up in discrimination and marginalization. You cannot only use the comments of ignars on GNI as your indicator of pervasive racism. Race based voting is a manifestation of racism. It is racism!! Racial insecurity comes from marginalization which in turn comes from racism. RACE VOTING IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR SOMEBODY BECAUSE OF THEIR RACE AND DISMISS THE CORRUPTION AND BAD POLICIES IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR A LEADER OF YOUR OWN RACE WHO HAS NO VISION OR PLAN IT IS RACISM. IF YOU VOTE FOR AN ETHNIC LEADER BECAUSE YOU WANT TO KEEP OUT BLACKMAN OR COOLIE MAN, THAT IS RACISM. So, I don't find the distinction convincing. We have to try our best to measure things. To quantify things. If you want to address the problem you have to back up your assertions. I have done that. Most Indians are racist...the voting data and survey data show that. The problem is the Indian percentages are not significantly different from Africans. Hence, it needs a solution. And the solution has to diffuse the insecurity simultaneously. Now you have to work with what you have. That means both the govt and PPP have to work jointly on some big national projects.

So Guyana Times is a powerless ignar.  Jagdeo is a powerless ignar.  When the Chronicle wrote a full page editorial screaming that Africans are violent, useless and live on to feast off Indians, were these GNI ignars.

 

So continue to scurry like a cockroach and pretend as if it is only a few crotchety old men who engage in this bigotry.

 

And how is racial voting racism, when the reason why people vote race is because of the ethnic exclusion and marginalization which they have suffered.  Africans suffered in 1961-64 and 1992-2015.  Indians suffered from 1964-90/92.

 

Racial voting is a SYMPTOM of institutional racism.  It is NOT the cause.

 

Now here is the deal.  The issue of African institutional racism and the behavior of the PNC has been well analyzed.  We have leading African intellectuals who have been quite vocal that it existed, definitely during the Burnham era. 

 

But have we had any similar discussion of Indian institutional racism?  NO!  Is there a large body of Indian intellectuals who maintain credibility with Indians who are vocal about Indian institutional racism?  NO!

 

 

So here is where we are in the narrative of race in Guyana.

 

1.  Burnham was a racist who killed thousands of Indians. Indians were the main victims of the 62/64 violence and Sun Chapman was a plot by the PNC.  So we have baaad black man, innocent Indian.

 

2.  During the PPP era this demonization of blacks was used as JUSTIFICATION for Indian institutional racism.  When Africans complained, they were demonized as racists.

 

You can do all your regressions of you wish but if it is based on a flawed strategy the results will be flawed.  Race voting is a REACTION to institutional racism which BOTH Indian and African elites have been guilty of.

 

To blame ordinary powerless people for their political behavior is senseless, unless you endorse those Africans who abused Indians as racists for voting PPP in the last elections.  I don't.

I have already called out Guyana Times in many occasion...right here on GNI. I think there might still be a racebaiting thread. It is much easier to find flaws in an objective regressions. You can spot bull shit quite easily in quantitative work. However, how do you spot subjective bull shitting and continual straw man argument? Quantitative method is the only game in town.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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WHAT WORKED? JAGDEO LOST THE ELECTION THE LAST TIME I CHECKED.

He almost won, and he galvanized the vast majority of the Indian vote in a way that the PPP hasn't done in a long time. 

 

You like data, so take note of the fact that the PPP increased its votes for the first time since 1997, even as the Indian population is shrinking.  The PPP added 30k voters on the coast, and given how racially polarized this election was, you know full well that they were Indians.

 

The PPP only lost because they didn't factor into the equation the ability of APNU to turn out almost record levels of votes in PNC strongholds, where the previously disaffected voted in large numbers.

 

Why do you think that Jagdeo is so pompous and arrogant now?  He has the full support of Indians, and knows that APNU's hold over the disaffected element of their base is quite slippery.  The PPP is well positioned to do well in the LGE if APNU/AFC doesn't look sharp.

Now, here you are doing flawed data inference. Jagdeo claims he was responsible for 30K more votes. Hmmmm...the last I checked new registration was about 90K, no? Hmmm...Jagdeo and his subjects will love this piece of logic.

FM

CaribJ: "Racial voting is a SYMPTOM of institutional racism.  It is NOT the cause."

 

This is a very flawed argument. There is a feedback loop. Institutional racism CAUSE racial voting and racial voting CAUSE institutional racism by the nature of the society and social networks...see qualitative analyses not useful for endogenous feedbacks...you will need instrumental variables to disentangle the causation.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
.CaribJ made some positivists (not normative) statements. .

Let me summarize my statements.

 

1. Indian and African institutional racism and ethnic exclusion has been the norm since Guyanese have had some level of control of governance.

 

2.  The result is that the population is polarized based on ethnicity, due to their own experiences.

 

3.  The Jagans, with their "West on Trial" racist track have crafted a well developed narrative of the "savage black man beating up innocent Indians".  This has been used by the PPP, and by people like YOU, to avoid any serious discussion of Indian institutional racism.

 

4.  African institutional racism has been well discussed and analyzed, and some of the most vocal people on this were people like Walter Rodney, David Hinds, and Eusi Kwayana.  ALL of whom by the way continue to be well perceived by most Afro Guyanese.

 

So we do not have a balanced narrative on the African and the Indian institutional racisms.  This is why the PNC cannot speak to issues of race in the way that the PPP can, because any defense of African interests is seen in the light of African violence, because of the demonization of the Afro Guyanese.

 

Not only does the PPP speak to race, but they do so in most vulgar and bigoted terms, and they do so because they aren't shamed.  WHERE are the Indians equivalent to David Hinds, Rodney and Kwayana, who enjoy credibility among Indians, but who will NOT tolerate Indian bigotry. 

 

Yes there are Indians who do speak out on this, and then they are banished from the Indian community.

 

1. Why can an African speak to African bigotry and African institutional racism, and yet continue to enjoy credibility among Africans while the reverse isn't true?

 

2. And why do Africans immediately silence African bigots, while Indian bigits can spew their poison without shame?

 

These are questions which YOU need to answer instead of scurrying around trying to pretend that the PPP was not racist, when every African knows fully well that they were.

Stop inventing a straw man. I never said the PPP is not racist. The evidence show (and this was written in public several times) that the PPP led the most explicitly racist election campaign in 2011 and 2015. You and I agree completely on 1, 2 and 3 above. Number 4 is largely correct, but I don't agree with the analyses that the racism is mainly a cultural reflection and stereotypes are the end result of racism. My view is the harsh geography of Guyana make economic failure more likely and therefore the tendency to blame the other group. The handicap geography imposed was made worse by some terrible leaders since independence.

 

I am not interested in establishing social racism, i.e. how individuals of each race view individuals of other race(s).  I do not see this as a problem in Guyana, except among an ageing group wh still have vivid memories of the violence of the 60s, basically people over 65.

 

In terms of Guyanese there are many different ways that individual Indians and Africans see each other, and this has little effect.

 

My concern is abut intitutional racism, which I define as an ethnically based elite using its power to exclude another ethnic group, and to engage on patronage of the grass roots of their ethnic group in order to win their support.  This is what has created significant damage, ethnic distrust based on fear, and a cadre of inefficient, ineffective, corrupt, and incompetent gov't and private sector leadership.

 


Of course when you became an opponent of the PPP part of your narrative was about the racist tactics that they used.  You however have never placed this racist strategy within a larger context. 

 

If Indians didnt feel comfortable with this narrative, the PPP could NOT use it.  And of course this neglects a larger context of Indian institutional racism which manifests within the private sector where Africans have experienced bias in many areas. 

 

It of course also pretends that the PPPs racism only began in 2011, when in fact it began in the 1961 election when Jagdeo slyly accepted the premise of apan jhat, knowing that the lager Indian vote would guarantee victory, if Indians could be enticed to vote race.

FM

BTW to talk of a harsh environment in Guyana is nonsense.  Aside from gold. all of our economic activity is on or near the coast.  No hurricanes, no earthquakes, no mudslides, fewer droughts than other parts of the Caribbean, and most of our flooding is because of poorly maintained drainage and irrigation systems.

 

Look at events on Dominica and then look at how lucky Guyana is!  They had a drought, and now 12inches of rain washing down the mountains on to the infrastructure, farms, homes, etc.  And this is not the first time.  Guyana only had an Act of God to a similar degree when about 10 years ago we had that massive flood.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more desposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
 

I have already called out Guyana Times in many occasion...right here on GNI. I think there might still be a racebaiting thread. It is much easier to find flaws in an objective regressions. You can spot bull shit quite easily in quantitative work. However, how do you spot subjective bull shitting and continual straw man argument? Quantitative method is the only game in town.


Guyana Times is a new paper, so clearly our ethnic problems cannot be blamed on them.

 

They peddle Indian bigotry because there are NO sanctions against those who peddle Indian bigotry, because our narrative about race in Guyana aligns with the mythology peddled by Indian bigots, so eloquently outlined by Danyael.

 

Please do not tell me that atitudes described by Danyael, arent widely popular among Indian middled aged and older people, even if not by the millenial generation.  YOU know better than that.

 

I note that you scurry away, rather than discuss why there is no sanction by Indians on those Indians who pubicly spray bigotry.

 

No African who babbles that "evil Indians deserve to die because they are treacherous and love money too much" will be viewed seriously within the African community. 

 

But "black man lazy, violent and savage" was mentioned in a FULL PAGE Chronicle editorial.  We are still waiting for Indians, aside from the few "neemakarams" who are viewed as self hating, to comment on that.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
 

We will need data now to verify whether rural Indians are now better off. I don't have to scurry off like a cockroach...I am certain you will not risk telling me that in my face. I have been calling PPP racism in letters and numerous articles. Data is the only game in town.

 

 

Yes you blame the PPP for racism.  You do NOT want to discuss Indian racism in its larger context, and why the PPP can OPENLY campaign on racism and yet win the support of its base. 

 

 

The PNC can no longer engage in this behavior and be viewed with credibility.

 

Clearly there is more space in Guyana for PUBLIC displays of Indian than there are for African bigotry. WHY?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more desposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

 

My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere. The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
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My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere. The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.


It is the PERCEPTIONS of economic access, which is often PERCEIVED to be about who controls the government.  This is why the ethnic elites practise ethnic exclusion and ethnic patronage.  Because it allows them to control political behavior.

 

Using data to compare rural and urban people is also meaningless, unless there is sophisticated analysis. 

 

In urban area 100% of consumed items must be purchased with CASH.  RENTS are also higher. Target standard of living is also higher in urban areas, hence larger expenditures on clothing.

 

So if some one in an urban area earns 25% more, but the cost of living is 50% higher, then are they better off?

 

In addition most employed people in urban areas are wage employees, so their incomes are easily discerned, and also taxed.  They will also be more impacted by VAT, as their purchases will be mainly through formal channels.

 

The question that you need to ask yourself will be how accurate income reporting of rural self employed dwellers might be, given that they are paid in cash, and can more easily evade income taxes.

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
. Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands)

Please explain to me how Dominican farmers, whose crops might be wiped out several times a year from hurricans, mudslides, etc., that their conditions are easier than Guyana.

 

Explain to Jamaican farmers, who alternate through drought and hurricanes, that it is easier.  This when they do not have to deal with US foodstuff being dumped/  With lowercargo rates, and closer proximity, it is easier to dump US food in Jamaica, than it is in Guyana, where greater distance and higher cargo rates offset any advantage that US producers will have, given the massive subsidies which they get.

 

Any case I do not see what this has to do with the fact that the PPP and Indian elites are free to engage in OPEN bigotry against blacks, with no fear of sanction, or shame?  If the view of Indians is that blacks are lazy and criminal, and if most of those making the hiring decisions are Indians, then what does this do to the employment prospects for blacks?

 

Yes this is the core of the African ethnic security dilemma in 2015.  You would have done more good in responding to Danyael's assertions, which reflect the views of most non Indians in Guyana, than to claim that you want to test whether Guyanese vote race or not!

 

And yes we already know that Indians suffered under the Burnham regime, and not all were positioned to benefit from supplying goods in the black market, which emerged when the economy collapsed.  That has been very very frequently discussed, and most African intellectuals do NOT dispute this fact!

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more deposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

 

My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. 

 

Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited

competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere.

 

The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.

It is clear the history of our racial schism began the day Gladstone decided to write his friend to bring in indentures to undercut the wages of africans and keep them bound to the plantocracy by economic want. Indeed they made the rich bottom lands along the rivers illegal for homesteading.

 

Unlike in places like Trinidad and Jamaica where availability of land forced Africans to remain tied to the plantations, there were no such limitations in Guyana. The maroons survived in the hostile cockpit country of Jamaica so Africans, if they could have, would definitely have migrated away to more remote but protective areas. The homesteading laws kept them bound to the plantations.

 

But this is besides the point. You insist it is economics that has our peoples apart. Economics cannot explain the cultural taboos and the ideas of Africans being subhuman that is a feature of the Guyanese indian culture. These Indian Guyanese  believe to their bones that Africans are stupid and you often hear them hurling statistics of how well indians are doing all over the world ( a truly pathetic claim ) as opposed to how poorly Africans are doing  ( ignoring the fact 99% of Indians are in the same boat).

 

This racism that indians have for black people in guyana is venomous. I went to a gathering in memory of Emmet Till a few nights ago and It occurred to me the same deep seated venom  that caused Emmet to appear mangled in the Tallahatchie river  resides in the heart of many. The idea of douglerization as an anti burnham regime is an indicator here. The aversion of Indians for their blended siblings is another.

 

Indians people hate black and amerindian people. That is a fact. Amerindians seem not to hate anyone and that needs to be explained also within the context of any explanations for racism, economic or cultural,  since they are most oppressed by both Groups.

 

Africans, in my opinion, detest being hated. They were the haters at first given they were forced into adversarial roles by the plantocracy . They most definitely resent the PPP government allowing Indians like BK and Nabbie, Bobby etc getting all the contracts from the state with minor ones going to African firms.

 

I have a friend who build all sort of projects all over the Caribbean whose name is like the former PM, Sam Hinds and he could not get building a septic tank out of the PPP. That man was a loving man turned bitter and today I can say with confidence he hates Indians because he believes them to be chronically racist. But in African cultures, there are none of the parallel prohibitions against consorting, mingling or even living among Indians.

 

I grew up among them, you are of them like me and I say our experience cannot be different. Indians hate black people viscerally and that hate cannot be explained by mere economics. If so it should be black people with the same cultural prohibitions etc. In the Diaspora the same thing continues.

 

 

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more desposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

 

My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. 

 

Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited

competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere.

 

The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.

It is clear the history of our racial schism began the day Gladstone decided to write his friend to bring in indentures to undercut the wages of africans and keep them bound to the plantocracy by economic want. Indeed they made the rich bottom lands along the rivers illegal for homesteading. Unlike in places like Trinidat and Jamaica where availability of land forced Africans to remain tied to the plantatons, there were no such limitations. The maroons surviced in the hostile cocpit country of jamaica so africans, if the could would definitely have migrated away to more remote but prodective areas. The homesteading laws kept them bound to the land.

 

But this is besides the point. You insist it is economics that has our peoples apart. Economics cannot explain the cultural taboos and the ideas of africans being subhuman that is a feature of the Guyanese indian culture. These people believe to their bones that Africans are stupid and you often hear statistics hurled of how well indians are doing as opposed to how poorly africans are doing  ( ignoring the fact 99% of Indians are in the same boat).

 

This racism that indians have for black people in guyana is venomous. I went to a gathering in memory of Emmet Till a few nights ago and It occurred to me the same deep seated venom  that caused Emmet to appear mangled in the Tallahatchie river  resides in the heart of many. The idea of douglerization as an anti burnham regime is an indicator here. The aversion of Indians for their blended siblings is another.

 

Indians people hate black and amerindian people. That is a fact. Amerindians seem not to hate anyone and that needs to be explained also within the context of any explanations for racism since they are most oppressed by both. Africans, in my opinion, detest being hated. They were the haters at first but now the roles are reversed so you may have an explanation partially here for economics. They most definitely resent the PPP government allowing Indians like BK and Nabbie, Bobby etc getting all the contracts from the state with minor ones going to African firms.

 

I have a friend who build all sort of projects all over the Caribbean whose name is like the former PM, Sam Hinds and he could not get building a septic tank out of the PPP. That man was a loving man turned bitter and today I can say with confidence he hates Indians because he believes them to be chronically racist. I grew up among them, you are of them like me and I say our experience cannot be different. Indians hate black people viscerally and that hate cannot be explained by mere economics. If so it should be black people with the same cultural prohibitions etc.

 

 

Aren't you Indian and Amerindian?  This is the first time I have heard that Indians hate Amerindians.  I grew up in GT so I must have missed your experience.  There is hatred between the Indians and Africans fostered by politicians.  As recently as the 50s Indians and Africans worked together for their common good.  It is basically the desire for power by Burnham that created the division.  Even Eusi did not side with Burnham in the beginning and even in the end.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more desposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

 

My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. 

 

Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited

competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere.

 

The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.

It is clear the history of our racial schism began the day Gladstone decided to write his friend to bring in indentures to undercut the wages of africans and keep them bound to the plantocracy by economic want. Indeed they made the rich bottom lands along the rivers illegal for homesteading. Unlike in places like Trinidat and Jamaica where availability of land forced Africans to remain tied to the plantatons, there were no such limitations. The maroons surviced in the hostile cocpit country of jamaica so africans, if the could would definitely have migrated away to more remote but prodective areas. The homesteading laws kept them bound to the land.

 

But this is besides the point. You insist it is economics that has our peoples apart. Economics cannot explain the cultural taboos and the ideas of africans being subhuman that is a feature of the Guyanese indian culture. These people believe to their bones that Africans are stupid and you often hear statistics hurled of how well indians are doing as opposed to how poorly africans are doing  ( ignoring the fact 99% of Indians are in the same boat).

 

This racism that indians have for black people in guyana is venomous. I went to a gathering in memory of Emmet Till a few nights ago and It occurred to me the same deep seated venom  that caused Emmet to appear mangled in the Tallahatchie river  resides in the heart of many. The idea of douglerization as an anti burnham regime is an indicator here. The aversion of Indians for their blended siblings is another.

 

Indians people hate black and amerindian people. That is a fact. Amerindians seem not to hate anyone and that needs to be explained also within the context of any explanations for racism since they are most oppressed by both. Africans, in my opinion, detest being hated. They were the haters at first but now the roles are reversed so you may have an explanation partially here for economics. They most definitely resent the PPP government allowing Indians like BK and Nabbie, Bobby etc getting all the contracts from the state with minor ones going to African firms.

 

I have a friend who build all sort of projects all over the Caribbean whose name is like the former PM, Sam Hinds and he could not get building a septic tank out of the PPP. That man was a loving man turned bitter and today I can say with confidence he hates Indians because he believes them to be chronically racist. I grew up among them, you are of them like me and I say our experience cannot be different. Indians hate black people viscerally and that hate cannot be explained by mere economics. If so it should be black people with the same cultural prohibitions etc.

 

 

Aren't you Indian and Amerindian?  This is the first time I have heard that Indians hate Amerindians.  I grew up in GT so I must have missed your experience.  There is hatred between the Indians and Africans fostered by politicians.  As recently as the 50s Indians and Africans worked together for their common good.  It is basically the desire for power by Burnham that created the division.  Even Eusi did not side with Burnham in the beginning and even in the end.

Nah man...don't blame old boy Forbes. He did not start the ethnic divisions. The suspicion and division started around 1845 when the labour market opportunities of Africans were undermined by the arrival of new immigrants, brought there specifically to curtail the market power of the recently freed slaves. Indians eventually became the majority immigrant group, so the conflict is mainly Afro-Indo. Political economy explains a lot why Guyana is a dankey cart economy.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more desposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

 

My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. 

 

Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited

competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere.

 

The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.

It is clear the history of our racial schism began the day Gladstone decided to write his friend to bring in indentures to undercut the wages of africans and keep them bound to the plantocracy by economic want. Indeed they made the rich bottom lands along the rivers illegal for homesteading. Unlike in places like Trinidat and Jamaica where availability of land forced Africans to remain tied to the plantatons, there were no such limitations. The maroons surviced in the hostile cocpit country of jamaica so africans, if the could would definitely have migrated away to more remote but prodective areas. The homesteading laws kept them bound to the land.

 

But this is besides the point. You insist it is economics that has our peoples apart. Economics cannot explain the cultural taboos and the ideas of africans being subhuman that is a feature of the Guyanese indian culture. These people believe to their bones that Africans are stupid and you often hear statistics hurled of how well indians are doing as opposed to how poorly africans are doing  ( ignoring the fact 99% of Indians are in the same boat).

 

This racism that indians have for black people in guyana is venomous. I went to a gathering in memory of Emmet Till a few nights ago and It occurred to me the same deep seated venom  that caused Emmet to appear mangled in the Tallahatchie river  resides in the heart of many. The idea of douglerization as an anti burnham regime is an indicator here. The aversion of Indians for their blended siblings is another.

 

Indians people hate black and amerindian people. That is a fact. Amerindians seem not to hate anyone and that needs to be explained also within the context of any explanations for racism since they are most oppressed by both. Africans, in my opinion, detest being hated. They were the haters at first but now the roles are reversed so you may have an explanation partially here for economics. They most definitely resent the PPP government allowing Indians like BK and Nabbie, Bobby etc getting all the contracts from the state with minor ones going to African firms.

 

I have a friend who build all sort of projects all over the Caribbean whose name is like the former PM, Sam Hinds and he could not get building a septic tank out of the PPP. That man was a loving man turned bitter and today I can say with confidence he hates Indians because he believes them to be chronically racist. I grew up among them, you are of them like me and I say our experience cannot be different. Indians hate black people viscerally and that hate cannot be explained by mere economics. If so it should be black people with the same cultural prohibitions etc.

 

 

Aren't you Indian and Amerindian?  This is the first time I have heard that Indians hate Amerindians.  I grew up in GT so I must have missed your experience.  There is hatred between the Indians and Africans fostered by politicians.  As recently as the 50s Indians and Africans worked together for their common good.  It is basically the desire for power by Burnham that created the division.  Even Eusi did not side with Burnham in the beginning and even in the end.

Indians definitely hate Amerindians. My pregnant mom was sent away to family ( white half) in England to avoid the attrition of my fathers Indian half. We came home only when our father gained the courage to stand up to his mother. My grandfather protected us. Every Amerindian will tell you they are seen as dumb and with out culture by indians.  Africans have no greater love for them or respect for them than Indians. BTW, I grew up all over and can say with little reservation the same is expressed universally. Georgetown Indian do not vote differently than rural indians.  I say it is home grown culture that only a few escaped. You may be one of those who came from a family of more self reflective people.

 

You cannot foster the kind of entrench cultural aversions in Indian society plainly out of politics. It has to grow on some latent fertile and receptive  foundation. Africans experienced the same deprivations as Indians and they do not have any of the cultural embedding. They are more reacting. With Amerinds they take the superior notion and that could only be excuse on them needing someone to kick...I do not know why they hate amerindians. The point is we need to explore it because you know my thesis....( do be disproved) that it is our people that keeps us from being what we can be.

FM
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Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by TK:
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Quants is the only game in town. ...


How so because all you can conclude is that Indians, and Africans vote according to race, and Amerindians are more sympathetic to the PPP, and the mixed to the PNC and AFC.

 

You do not even know why Amerindians are more desposed to the PPP, and why mixed more tend to APNU/AFC.  Unless you know who these "mixed" are (and I do not think that any one knows) what data for mixed shows is meaningless.  Mixed and Amerindians are now 30% of the overall population, and a smaller but increasing part of the voter base.

 

Racial voting by Indians and Africans has been known since 1957.  Why is this conclusion so earth shattering to you, and really all you can say, using your methodologies is that the major groups vote race?  NO NEW INSIGHT!

 

More important to know why this ethnic insecurity persists, even as those who fought in the early 60s civil war are mainly dead, or senile.

 

My view is economic concerns are at the root of the ethnic insecurity from as early as 1842 when the second general strike of Africans became ineffective because of the immigration of labor on indenture contracts. It has nothing to do with Indians having some fear of an African dominated army, which has been quite professional since 1992. 

 

Don't deal with the economic problems - which is a function of the harsh environment (harsher than hurricane prone Caribbean islands) and limited

competitively exploitable resources - and they will get nowhere.

 

The best resource is the diaspora. But that's another matter...AFC-APNU made a tacit agreement not to exploit the diaspora. I have no more time to waste with Guyanese leaders. But I must say it's a gold mine for an academic career. I am almost certain anonymous referees will see the new insight.

It is clear the history of our racial schism began the day Gladstone decided to write his friend to bring in indentures to undercut the wages of africans and keep them bound to the plantocracy by economic want. Indeed they made the rich bottom lands along the rivers illegal for homesteading. Unlike in places like Trinidat and Jamaica where availability of land forced Africans to remain tied to the plantatons, there were no such limitations. The maroons surviced in the hostile cocpit country of jamaica so africans, if the could would definitely have migrated away to more remote but prodective areas. The homesteading laws kept them bound to the land.

 

But this is besides the point. You insist it is economics that has our peoples apart. Economics cannot explain the cultural taboos and the ideas of africans being subhuman that is a feature of the Guyanese indian culture. These people believe to their bones that Africans are stupid and you often hear statistics hurled of how well indians are doing as opposed to how poorly africans are doing  ( ignoring the fact 99% of Indians are in the same boat).

 

This racism that indians have for black people in guyana is venomous. I went to a gathering in memory of Emmet Till a few nights ago and It occurred to me the same deep seated venom  that caused Emmet to appear mangled in the Tallahatchie river  resides in the heart of many. The idea of douglerization as an anti burnham regime is an indicator here. The aversion of Indians for their blended siblings is another.

 

Indians people hate black and amerindian people. That is a fact. Amerindians seem not to hate anyone and that needs to be explained also within the context of any explanations for racism since they are most oppressed by both. Africans, in my opinion, detest being hated. They were the haters at first but now the roles are reversed so you may have an explanation partially here for economics. They most definitely resent the PPP government allowing Indians like BK and Nabbie, Bobby etc getting all the contracts from the state with minor ones going to African firms.

 

I have a friend who build all sort of projects all over the Caribbean whose name is like the former PM, Sam Hinds and he could not get building a septic tank out of the PPP. That man was a loving man turned bitter and today I can say with confidence he hates Indians because he believes them to be chronically racist. I grew up among them, you are of them like me and I say our experience cannot be different. Indians hate black people viscerally and that hate cannot be explained by mere economics. If so it should be black people with the same cultural prohibitions etc.

 

 

Aren't you Indian and Amerindian?  This is the first time I have heard that Indians hate Amerindians.  I grew up in GT so I must have missed your experience.  There is hatred between the Indians and Africans fostered by politicians.  As recently as the 50s Indians and Africans worked together for their common good.  It is basically the desire for power by Burnham that created the division.  Even Eusi did not side with Burnham in the beginning and even in the end.

Nah man...don't blame old boy Forbes. He did not start the ethnic divisions. The suspicion and division started around 1845 when the labour market opportunities of Africans were undermined by the arrival of new immigrants, brought there specifically to curtail the market power of the recently freed slaves. Indians eventually became the majority immigrant group, so the conflict is mainly Afro-Indo. Political economy explains a lot why Guyana is a dankey cart economy.

Understood and agree that suspicion and division started around 1845.  Frankly a lot of African anger was also directed towards the early Portuguese. However, there is no question that Indians and Africans have combined their efforts to fight colonialism.   The inbred distrust between Indians and Africans came to a fore again because of Burnham.  I guess you read Odeen's History of Guyana but I am not sure if you read West on Trial.  You have to read West on Trial with an open mind even with your distrust/hatred of Cheddi Jagan.

FM

By 1845, Africans were educated and began to take up jobs in the colony away from the plantations-teachers, midwife, sailors, stevedores, merchants, farmers, vendors at Stabroek Market, etc, etc. Those who wanted to be employed in the plantations did get to work, perhaps mainly as factory help(technical). The field help were mainly Chinese, Portuguese, Freed African from USA and East Indians. Before the East Indians, Gladstone brought every other ethnic group into British Guiana-he had a monopoly of trading in the Americas and Europe. Itwas important for the trading of his commodities.

 

Before William Wilberforce died, he had laws passed in the British Parliament to ensure the end of African Slavery-not all slavery. Only African Slavery.

 

At the time of emancipation, Britain removed the duties and tariff on sugar from all other regions of sugar producers. British Guiana planters lost their preferential treatment. In order

to continue on, costs had to lowered. The same what GUYSUCO is currently experiencing. 

 

It shouldn't be too difficult to check the historical records.

 

In a business, there has to be survival. I doan think Gladstone decided to do the black in for wanting to be free. It was the survival of his income.

 

As for the demise of Black businesses at Stabroek and as merchants, those who know the history of the era, would know that the Portuguese made deal with black farmers for their produce. Which they seldom paid for. And in the end, Black vendors at Stabroek gave up their stalls to the Portuguese.

 

 

 

S
Originally Posted by VVP:
.  It is basically the desire for power by Burnham that created the division.  Even Eusi did not side with Burnham in the beginning and even in the end.

Again bad black man good Indian.  Eusi left the PPP because he said that it had become an Indian based racist Indosupremacist party, which had no room for non Indians. So even though Eusi didn't trust Burnham, he was forced to join them.

 

Answer this.  How could Burnham have focused on race if the African vote was LESS than the Indian vote?  Even if Burnham got 100% of the African votes he still would have lost.

 

In 1957 and in 1961 Burnham did NOT have control over the electoral apparatus, could NOT rig, and therefore had NO INCENTIVE to spread the doctrine of apan jhat.

 

It is clear that the PPP, with Indians being the majority vote in most of the constituencies (it was a winner take all in a constituency then), had the incentive to spread apan jhat.

 

SO SAVE ME YOUR RACIST NONSENSE about "black savage beating up innocent Indians".

 

If any party is responsible for racist voting it is the PPP, as it was the PPP, and NOT the PNC, nor the UF, which had something to gain by race based voting.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:
I am not sure if you read West on Trial.  You have to read West on Trial with an open mind even with your distrust/hatred of Cheddi Jagan.

The West on Trial is the biggest piece of racist filth every written.  I read it cover to cover and found it appalling, and lacking in scholarship.  Just a whiney Cheddi and Janet attempt to glorify themselves, and blame every one else for their failures!

 

The whole focus of this book was to paint the Indian as the victim, the African middle class as the demon, and Afro Guyanese as violent savages.

 

At no point is there any reference to any role by the PPP or Indo Guyanese for the ethnic tensions which exist.

 

The West on Trial is now the bible used by the Indo KKK to demonize Afro Guyanese.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
I am not sure if you read West on Trial.  You have to read West on Trial with an open mind even with your distrust/hatred of Cheddi Jagan.

The West on Trial is the biggest piece of racist filth every written.  I read it cover to cover and found it appalling, and lacking in scholarship.  Just a whiney Cheddi and Janet attempt to glorify themselves, and blame every one else for their failures!

 

The whole focus of this book was to paint the Indian as the victim, the African middle class as the demon, and Afro Guyanese as violent savages.

 

At no point is there any reference to any role by the PPP or Indo Guyanese for the ethnic tensions which exist.

 

The West on Trial is now the bible used by the Indo KKK to demonize Afro Guyanese.

You are an idiot.  I have wasted enough time on you.  Janet was not an author of the West on Trial so she couldn't have glorified herself in it.  I agree with you that the book can sound "whiney" and an attempt by Cheddi to portray himself as a victim.  But he was indeed a victim to British and American politics of the day.  The book never sought to portray Africans as savages.  It did show how they were used by Burnham to get to his ends.  I have noting to say to the regurgitating bile you spew here everyday.

 

The book also covered the role of the so-called elite Indians in undermining Jagan.  Frankly the likes of today's Jagdeo and company would have fitted those elites to a tea.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:
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The book also covered the role of the so-called elite Indians in undermining Jagan.  Frankly the likes of today's Jagdeo and company would have fitted those elites to a tea.

The West on Trial set the stage for this notion of the savage black man which you scream daily.  That damns it for me.

 

Now run along and scream "dem baad, savage, lazy black man a beat up coolie", because that is the core thesis of that piece of racist drivel.

 

Don't worry you have already damned me as a racist, but have NEVER commented on cobra, seignet, yuji, rama and their comments on blacks.  But why the shock, like you they are imbued with the PPP motto of "baad black man a beat up collie"?

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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The book also covered the role of the so-called elite Indians in undermining Jagan.  Frankly the likes of today's Jagdeo and company would have fitted those elites to a tea.

The West on Trial set the stage for this notion of the savage black man which you scream daily.  That damns it for me.

 

Now run along and scream "dem baad, savage, lazy black man a beat up coolie", because that is the core thesis of that piece of racist drivel.

 

Don't worry you have already damned me as a racist, but have NEVER commented on cobra, seignet, yuji, rama and their comments on blacks.  But why the shock, like you they are imbued with the PPP motto of "baad black man a beat up collie"?

Could it be their perception of the crime situation in Guyana?  Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
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Could it be their perception of the crime situation in Guyana?  Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

OK more Indo supremacist chatter. 

 

Now I can descend to your level and select negative behavior by a segment of the Indian business elites, like not paying taxes, drug and gun smuggling, and engaging in the arming of criminals for use as paramilitias, and then blame 100% of the Indian population, but I will not.

 

Continue to show what a racist you are.

 

BTW some of the guns used are provided by these same "business men" for use in various contract killing and other criminal actions that they order.  Yet you blame "blackman", when again Indians are hardly innocent.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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Could it be their perception of the crime situation in Guyana?  Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

OK more Indo supremacist chatter. 

 

Now I can descend to your level and select negative behavior by a segment of the Indian business elites, like not paying taxes, drug and gun smuggling, and engaging in the arming of criminals for use as paramilitias, and then blame 100% of the Indian population, but I will not.

 

Continue to show what a racist you are.

 

BTW some of the guns used are provided by these same "business men" for use in various contract killing and other criminal actions that they order.  Yet you blame "blackman", when again Indians are hardly innocent.

 

 

Well lets just concentrate on the regular choke and rob and home invasions...Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

 

We could also extend this to the political violence experienced in Guyana also.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:
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Well lets just concentrate on the regular choke and rob and home invasions...Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

 

We could also extend this to the political violence experienced in Guyana also.

And he continues with his Indo supremacist brays.

 

Yes blame the 350k Guyanese of African and mixed ancestry for activities which not more than 1% engage in.

 

Why do you insist in painting yourself as a racist?

 

So tell you what, should I blame the 300k Guyanese of Indian descent for the fact that the guns used by criminals were imported by INDIANS?

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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Well lets just concentrate on the regular choke and rob and home invasions...Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

 

We could also extend this to the political violence experienced in Guyana also.

And he continues with his Indo supremacist brays.

 

Yes blame the 350k Guyanese of African and mixed ancestry for activities which not more than 1% engage in.

 

Why do you insist in painting yourself as a racist?

 

So tell you what, should I blame the 300k Guyanese of Indian descent for the fact that the guns used by criminals were imported by INDIANS?

Indians like this banna?  Whatever happened to this case?  Maybe the Indians paid him to do it...got you.

THE Guyana Police Force has reported that, at about 11:30 hrs yesterday, during the clearing of a cargo consignment at the GNIC Wharf in Georgetown by Guyana Revenue Authority (GRA) Officials, a cache of arms and ammunition was found comprising two (2) AK 47 rifles, four (4) 40 pistols, eleven (11) 9mm. pistols, fifteen (15) extra magazines for the firearms, 489 various caliber rounds for the firearms and a body protection vest.

Police took into custody a 23-year-old construction worker of Buxton/Friendship, East Coast Demerara after the very frightening discovery was made in a shipment that was posted to him by someone from a United States of America address.

‘ARRESTED’: Jamal Murphy

‘ARRESTED’: Jamal Murphy

Jamal Murphy who, up to late last evening was still being grilled by the Police, was arrested after he showed up to receive the consignment that was in his name at a City wharf.

When the man had finished paying for the shipment and was about to uplift, Officers of the Guyana Revenue Authority (GRA), as is customary, opened the shipment in his presence and found that there was food-stuff in the box as well as a military haversack.

When the GRA Officers opened the haversack, they stumbled on the weapons, which according to police sources, are all brand new.
In the bag were the shocking arms cache. Police sources told this newspaper that the pistols are likely to carry a very high price since they come with sensors which automatically cause the price for weapons with such features to be spiked.

Information reaching the Chronicle stated that when the young man was questioned by the police, he told them that the box was not his property but that he was only receiving the shipment for someone else.

Investigators reported to this newspaper that when Murphy was pulled in for questioning, he sounded very confident about what he was saying as he did not give them much information, saying only that he was uplifting the shipment for a man whom he knows only as a “tall red person.”

The police are of the view that the man might have been schooled by legal minds before heading to uplift the shipment. The Police yesterday carried out a search at the young man’s home where some documents were removed from the premises to aid in their investigation.

Among the documents removed were papers which suggested that the 23-year-old from the Buxton/Friendship area had received  another shipment sometime last month from the very person, but the contents of that box are not yet known.

The police are also of the view that based on the description provided by the young man, the man to whom the shipment was consigned is a person of interest to them and has been so for some time now.
The police are likely to issue a Wanted Bulletin for the man over the weekend if they are unable to locate him at the places their intelligence leads them to. (Leroy Smith)

 

FM
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Originally Posted by TK:
 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

TK,

Rest assured I am not interested in another Burnham. But it seems the indo KKK here is interested with their pathetic attempts to paint Granger in the same light. They will accept nothing but an indian government.

 

I have expressed similar views like Danyael's in the past. The racism practiced by many indians appears endemic to me as a black man, especially rural indians. Believe me, the "few ignars" here (rama, brahmin susie yugi, cobra, nehru, skeldon man, anan, observer, seignet, george da silva etc) are not in the minority. Its just that anonymity has emboldened them to be real. It is why the PPP easily motivates their base with race.

 

I know what I have lived through, heard and experienced, and I still hold there is something terribly wrong with them. I only hope the young ones are more tolerant of other races.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

FM
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Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

TK,

Rest assured I am not interested in another Burnham. But it seems the indo KKK here is interested with their pathetic attempts to paint Granger in the same light. They will accept nothing but an indian government.

 

I have expressed similar views like Danyael's in the past. The racism practiced by many indians appears endemic to me as a black man, especially rural indians. Believe me, the "few ignars" here (rama, brahmin susie yugi, cobra, nehru, skeldon man, anan, observer, seignet, george da silva etc) are not in the minority. Its just that anonymity has emboldened them to be real. It is why the PPP easily motivates their base with race.

 

I know what I have lived through, heard and experienced, and I still hold there is something terribly wrong with them. I only hope the young ones are more tolerant of other races.

 

 

 

 

 

Itaname, there are many Africans that are just as racist as Indians.  When we move to Barr Street in Kitty one of our neighbors were "elite Africans."  One of the sons was the CEO of Guyana Telecommunications.  These people never for a day said hello to us even though we tried to be friendly to them.  I recall that at about 8 years old I used to steal their sugar cane which was on the border with our property.  Their solution was to chop every sugar cane and get rid of it.

On the bright side some of our tenants were very poor Africans.  These were my best friends that I grew up with.

FM
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Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Danyael:

It is clear the history of our racial schism began the day Gladstone decided to write his friend to bring in indentures to undercut the wages of africans and keep them bound to the plantocracy by economic want. Indeed they made the rich bottom lands along the rivers illegal for homesteading. Unlike in places like Trinidat and Jamaica where availability of land forced Africans to remain tied to the plantatons, there were no such limitations. The maroons surviced in the hostile cocpit country of jamaica so africans, if the could would definitely have migrated away to more remote but prodective areas. The homesteading laws kept them bound to the land.

 

But this is besides the point. You insist it is economics that has our peoples apart. Economics cannot explain the cultural taboos and the ideas of africans being subhuman that is a feature of the Guyanese indian culture. These people believe to their bones that Africans are stupid and you often hear statistics hurled of how well indians are doing as opposed to how poorly africans are doing  ( ignoring the fact 99% of Indians are in the same boat).

 

This racism that indians have for black people in guyana is venomous. I went to a gathering in memory of Emmet Till a few nights ago and It occurred to me the same deep seated venom  that caused Emmet to appear mangled in the Tallahatchie river  resides in the heart of many. The idea of douglerization as an anti burnham regime is an indicator here. The aversion of Indians for their blended siblings is another.

 

Indians people hate black and amerindian people. That is a fact. Amerindians seem not to hate anyone and that needs to be explained also within the context of any explanations for racism since they are most oppressed by both. Africans, in my opinion, detest being hated. They were the haters at first but now the roles are reversed so you may have an explanation partially here for economics. They most definitely resent the PPP government allowing Indians like BK and Nabbie, Bobby etc getting all the contracts from the state with minor ones going to African firms.

 

I have a friend who build all sort of projects all over the Caribbean whose name is like the former PM, Sam Hinds and he could not get building a septic tank out of the PPP. That man was a loving man turned bitter and today I can say with confidence he hates Indians because he believes them to be chronically racist. I grew up among them, you are of them like me and I say our experience cannot be different. Indians hate black people viscerally and that hate cannot be explained by mere economics. If so it should be black people with the same cultural prohibitions etc.

 

 

Aren't you Indian and Amerindian?  This is the first time I have heard that Indians hate Amerindians.  I grew up in GT so I must have missed your experience.  There is hatred between the Indians and Africans fostered by politicians.  As recently as the 50s Indians and Africans worked together for their common good.  It is basically the desire for power by Burnham that created the division.  Even Eusi did not side with Burnham in the beginning and even in the end.

Indians definitely hate Amerindians. My pregnant mom was sent away to family ( white half) in England to avoid the attrition of my fathers Indian half. We came home only when our father gained the courage to stand up to his mother. My grandfather protected us. Every Amerindian will tell you they are seen as dumb and with out culture by indians.  Africans have no greater love for them or respect for them than Indians. BTW, I grew up all over and can say with little reservation the same is expressed universally. Georgetown Indian do not vote differently than rural indians.  I say it is home grown culture that only a few escaped. You may be one of those who came from a family of more self reflective people.

 

You cannot foster the kind of entrench cultural aversions in Indian society plainly out of politics. It has to grow on some latent fertile and receptive  foundation. Africans experienced the same deprivations as Indians and they do not have any of the cultural embedding. They are more reacting. With Amerinds they take the superior notion and that could only be excuse on them needing someone to kick...I do not know why they hate amerindians. The point is we need to explore it because you know my thesis....( do be disproved) that it is our people that keeps us from being what we can be.

You rass is a mad man with an anti-Indo axe to grind.  I tell you, nuff Indin bannas like Amerindo, look how many impregnated Amerindo girls. 

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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Well lets just concentrate on the regular choke and rob and home invasions...Which race is mainly the perpetrator and which race is mainly the victim?

 

We could also extend this to the political violence experienced in Guyana also.

And he continues with his Indo supremacist brays.

 

Yes blame the 350k Guyanese of African and mixed ancestry for activities which not more than 1% engage in.

 

Why do you insist in painting yourself as a racist?

 

So tell you what, should I blame the 300k Guyanese of Indian descent for the fact that the guns used by criminals were imported by INDIANS?

Indians like this banna?  Whatever happened to this case?  Maybe the Indians paid him to do it...got you.

THE Guyana Police Force has reported that, at about 11:30 hrs yesterday, during the clearing of a cargo consignment at the GNIC Wharf in Georgetown by Guyana Revenue Authority (GRA) Officials, a cache of arms and ammunition was found comprising two (2) AK 47 rifles, four (4) 40 pistols, eleven (11) 9mm. pistols, fifteen (15) extra magazines for the firearms, 489 various caliber rounds for the firearms and a body protection vest.

Police took into custody a 23-year-old construction worker.

 

Of course you really believe that a 23 y/o did this on his own.

 

You also think that Columbus discovered the Americas.

 

Guns are imported by wealthy people.  Is this guy wealthy, or just a scape goat?

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
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Itaname, there are many Africans that are just as racist as Indians.  When we move to Barr Street in Kitty one of our neighbors were "elite Africans."  One of the sons was the CEO of Guyana Telecommunications.  These people never for a day said hello to us even though we tried to be friendly to them.  I recall that at about 8 years old I used to steal their sugar cane which was on the border with our property.  Their solution was to chop every sugar cane and get rid of it.

On the bright side some of our tenants were very poor Africans.  These were my best friends that I grew up with.

Racism of Africans is discussed.  We have a "baad black man, beating up poor little Indian" that even here you perpetrated.  You scream about Burnham.  NONE of the black posters here deny whay Burnham did to Indians.

 

But let us look at Jagdeo, Guyana Times, and the Chronicle.  Why do these people OPENLY engage in anti black bigotry?

 

Please indicate in which forums do Africans of the stature of Granger and Trotman and Nigel Hughes engage in the type of commentary that we get from these Indians?

 

And please don't make yourself silly by talking about who is friendly. I went to a funeral of an Indian guy who was in my high school class.  I went with another class mate who was black. 

 

We were asked what we were doing there?  Do I blame every Indian for that?  No.  Just the primitives who were at the funeral who asked me that, and the others who looked at me with hostile glares, and not all who attended the funeral either.  This happened in NEW YORK!

 

You really must do better than this. 

 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
..  I tell you, nuff Indin bannas like Amerindo, look how many impregnated Amerindo girls. 

So all of those Indo girls who SUPPOSEDLY got impregnated in National Service shows how much blacks love Indians?

 

You are a real stupid man, blinded by your bigotry/

Really, never heard of that!  Anyway, my comment was contextualized for the Indian-hater Stormborn.

FM
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Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by Itaname:
Originally Posted by TK:
 

For the very first time since 1966 a small percentage of East Indians voted for an African presidential candidate to help him win, yet you and Itaname believe the comments on this cyber rum shop reflect the state of opinion in Guyana. For all the racial divisions May 11, 2015 was a giant leap forward. Itaname believes, forgetting the recent electoral victory of Granger, the comments of a few anonymous effeminate Indo ignars will give rise to another Burnham. Is this a call for another Burnham? Apparently the progress of May 11 does not matter.

 

TK,

Rest assured I am not interested in another Burnham. But it seems the indo KKK here is interested with their pathetic attempts to paint Granger in the same light. They will accept nothing but an indian government.

 

I have expressed similar views like Danyael's in the past. The racism practiced by many indians appears endemic to me as a black man, especially rural indians. Believe me, the "few ignars" here (rama, brahmin susie yugi, cobra, nehru, skeldon man, anan, observer, seignet, george da silva etc) are not in the minority. Its just that anonymity has emboldened them to be real. It is why the PPP easily motivates their base with race.

 

I know what I have lived through, heard and experienced, and I still hold there is something terribly wrong with them. I only hope the young ones are more tolerant of other races.

 

 

 

 

 

Itaname, there are many Africans that are just as racist as Indians.  When we move to Barr Street in Kitty one of our neighbors were "elite Africans."  One of the sons was the CEO of Guyana Telecommunications.  These people never for a day said hello to us even though we tried to be friendly to them.  I recall that at about 8 years old I used to steal their sugar cane which was on the border with our property.  Their solution was to chop every sugar cane and get rid of it.

On the bright side some of our tenants were very poor Africans.  These were my best friends that I grew up with.

There were many racist Afros and true, there were many decent ones also.  I knew a few, man they would not be bothered breaking their car for an Indian.  It was like, Indian beware.  Them bannas was arrogant no ass, on top of the world!!

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
..  I tell you, nuff Indin bannas like Amerindo, look how many impregnated Amerindo girls. 

So all of those Indo girls who SUPPOSEDLY got impregnated in National Service shows how much blacks love Indians?

 

You are a real stupid man, blinded by your bigotry/

Really, never heard of that!  Anyway, my comment was contextualized for the Indian-hater Stormborn.

Stormborn talks about Indian racism and African racism.  Amerindians cannot do anything other than hate non Amerindians, because they lack any power, otherwise he would also talk about racism within that community.

 

Now when do you address the very Indian racism which you perpetrate, like your penchant for calling blacks lazy, violent, criminal savages who live off hard working Indians?

 

You know why you do this.  Because you are not shamed by other Indians from doing this.  Vishmahabir, Zed, VVP and others line up and call caribj,redux,itaname, and danyael racists for raising the issue of Indian racism. 

 

NONE of us deny the existence of racism among blacks, nor do we claim that they are any LESS racist.

 

What we do is raise the fact that most Indians deny the existence of racism among Indians, even as they use every opportunity to blame blacks for Guyana's ethnic tensions!

 

This is what this thread is about.  Up to now NO INDIAN has done anything other then refuse to discuss this topic. 

 

This proves to many of us non Indians that, while racism is hardly unique to Indians, bigotry expressed by Indians has more space in Guyana than is bigotry from other groups, because Indians do not condemn it.  Instead they condemn those who raise the fact that it exists.

FM
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Originally Posted by baseman:
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There were many racist Afros and true, there were many decent ones also.  I knew a few, man they would not be bothered breaking their car for an Indian.  It was like, Indian beware.  Them bannas was arrogant no ass, on top of the world!!

  "Yes among the savage blacks there are a few decent ones.

 

Indians however are saints who express nothing but love for blacks, and are heart broken that they get pure hostility in return".

 

This is the message that the GNI Indians push and any other perspective is seen as pure racism.

 

Luck how they scurry around like cockroaches when ever Indian racism is exposed.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
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There were many racist Afros and true, there were many decent ones also.  I knew a few, man they would not be bothered breaking their car for an Indian.  It was like, Indian beware.  Them bannas was arrogant no ass, on top of the world!!

  "Yes among the savage blacks there are a few decent ones.

 

Indians however are saints who express nothing but love for blacks, and are heart broken that they get pure hostility in return".

 

This is the message that the GNI Indians push and any other perspective is seen as pure racism.

 

Luck how they scurry around like cockroaches when ever Indian racism is exposed.

Nah, I have to admit, of lat there have been a few wutliss Indian bannas.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
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There were many racist Afros and true, there were many decent ones also.  I knew a few, man they would not be bothered breaking their car for an Indian.  It was like, Indian beware.  Them bannas was arrogant no ass, on top of the world!!

  "Yes among the savage blacks there are a few decent ones.

 

Indians however are saints who express nothing but love for blacks, and are heart broken that they get pure hostility in return".

 

This is the message that the GNI Indians push and any other perspective is seen as pure racism.

 

Luck how they scurry around like cockroaches when ever Indian racism is exposed.

Nah, I have to admit, of lat there have been a few wutliss Indian bannas.

Reflecting a larger body of opinion present among Indians.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:

You rass is a mad man with an anti-Indo axe to grind.  I tell you, nuff Indin bannas like Amerindo, look how many impregnated Amerindo girls. 

 

 

I do not doubt it is easier for you to accept that I have an axe to grind than that you represent that section of the toxic racist indian contingency that keeps us stagnated economically and socially.

 

If the idea of demonstrating a non racist position was to highlight the impregnated Amerind girls then why the Indian taboo against black men with indian women or the children of these unions?

 

You bigots tie yourselves in knows logically every time you open your mouths because there is no basis to defend the desiccated racist platforms on which you stand. One simply has to nudge it to knock it over.

FM
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
I am not sure if you read West on Trial.  You have to read West on Trial with an open mind even with your distrust/hatred of Cheddi Jagan.

The West on Trial is the biggest piece of racist filth every written.  I read it cover to cover and found it appalling, and lacking in scholarship.  Just a whiney Cheddi and Janet attempt to glorify themselves, and blame every one else for their failures!

 

The whole focus of this book was to paint the Indian as the victim, the African middle class as the demon, and Afro Guyanese as violent savages.

 

At no point is there any reference to any role by the PPP or Indo Guyanese for the ethnic tensions which exist.

 

The West on Trial is now the bible used by the Indo KKK to demonize Afro Guyanese.

You are an idiot.  I have wasted enough time on you.  Janet was not an author of the West on Trial so she couldn't have glorified herself in it.  I agree with you that the book can sound "whiney" and an attempt by Cheddi to portray himself as a victim.  But he was indeed a victim to British and American politics of the day.  The book never sought to portray Africans as savages.  It did show how they were used by Burnham to get to his ends.  I have noting to say to the regurgitating bile you spew here everyday.

 

The book also covered the role of the so-called elite Indians in undermining Jagan.  Frankly the likes of today's Jagdeo and company would have fitted those elites to a tea.

The problem with the West on Trial is the premise th at the West ( the US and Britain) were indictable for Cheddi's swallowing whole cloth the communist dogma fed to him by his wife.

 

Indians are a religious people and they were being gulled by his communist world view only because they had nothing to lose being poor. His  promise of Utopian bliss was something to cling to on the outside chance it may be true.

 

Africans were also afraid of the religious implications. It was the message their priests were giving them about ungodly communism ( and not off the mark) Being also a bit more informed they sided with what they know, the brits and the persuasive Burnham who milked that in his opposition to cheddi . Together with the commercial class of upper crust indians and Portuguese, they saw a whole way of life being threatened.

 

The US had Civil Rights banging the door of its conscience demanding to be treated fairly;  Vietnam in asia, Flower Power blooming everywhere and there wasCuba as a proxy for the Soviet in a competition for global hegemony. It had no time for another Cuba like soviet satellite in Guyana. We were not a problem to be studied and marinate mentally. It just could not happen; a communist Guyana as a toe hold in latin america.

 

These events all converged to act against Cheddi. That he is seen as a savior in the Indian community does not make him right or a saint. Our fate would be no less than the other satellites of the former soviet union...a long life of want and deprivations.

 

Burnham's failure was his failure to anticipate due to his greed for power. Jagan indeed needed to be undermined if but to avoid what he predicates. The reality is that no one would remotely consider his positions then salutary now.  We did not get any smarter  than the people then who were evaluating their chances at home as residents. It is clear that if the situation was the same and we know what we know we would not let him get his way wither. He was on trial not the West.

FM
Originally Posted by Danyael:
Originally Posted by VVP:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
I am not sure if you read West on Trial.  You have to read West on Trial with an open mind even with your distrust/hatred of Cheddi Jagan.

The West on Trial is the biggest piece of racist filth every written.  I read it cover to cover and found it appalling, and lacking in scholarship.  Just a whiney Cheddi and Janet attempt to glorify themselves, and blame every one else for their failures!

 

The whole focus of this book was to paint the Indian as the victim, the African middle class as the demon, and Afro Guyanese as violent savages.

 

At no point is there any reference to any role by the PPP or Indo Guyanese for the ethnic tensions which exist.

 

The West on Trial is now the bible used by the Indo KKK to demonize Afro Guyanese.

You are an idiot.  I have wasted enough time on you.  Janet was not an author of the West on Trial so she couldn't have glorified herself in it.  I agree with you that the book can sound "whiney" and an attempt by Cheddi to portray himself as a victim.  But he was indeed a victim to British and American politics of the day.  The book never sought to portray Africans as savages.  It did show how they were used by Burnham to get to his ends.  I have noting to say to the regurgitating bile you spew here everyday.

 

The book also covered the role of the so-called elite Indians in undermining Jagan.  Frankly the likes of today's Jagdeo and company would have fitted those elites to a tea.

The problem with the West on Trial is the premise th at the West ( the US and Britain) were indictable for Cheddi's swallowing whole cloth the communist dogma fed to him by his wife.

 

Indians are a religious people and they were being gulled by his communist world view only because they had nothing to lose being poor. His  promise of Utopian bliss was something to cling to on the outside chance it may be true.

 

Africans were also afraid of the religious implications. It was the message their priests were giving them about ungodly communism ( and not off the mark) Being also a bit more informed they sided with what they know, the brits and the persuasive Burnham who milked that in his opposition to cheddi . Together with the commercial class of upper crust indians and Portuguese, they saw a whole way of life being threatened.

 

The US had Civil Rights banging the door of its conscience demanding to be treated fairly;  Vietnam in asia, Flower Power blooming everywhere and there wasCuba as a proxy for the Soviet in a competition for global hegemony. It had no time for another Cuba like soviet satellite in Guyana. We were not a problem to be studied and marinate mentally. It just could not happen; a communist Guyana as a toe hold in latin america.

 

These events all converged to act against Cheddi. That he is seen as a savior in the Indian community does not make him right or a saint. Our fate would be no less than the other satellites of the former soviet union...a long life of want and deprivations.

 

Burnham's failure was his failure to anticipate due to his greed for power. Jagan indeed needed to be undermined if but to avoid what he predicates. The reality is that no one would remotely consider his positions then salutary now.  We did not get any smarter  than the people then who were evaluating their chances at home as residents. It is clear that if the situation was the same and we know what we know we would not let him get his way wither. He was on trial not the West.

I guess your premise is based on Jagan being a full blow communist as the West tried to portray even though they new very well that he was not.  Jagan never wanted to ban religious practices or had any inclination to form a one-party state like Castro did.  His main interest was the nationalization of the major industries in Guyana for the benefit of the Guyanese people.  We may disagree with this policy but that DOES NOT make him a communist.  He was more a socialist.

 

Jagan demise was all based on Kennedy's politics of winning the next US presidential election.  Kennedy tired to prevent the semblance of another Cuba in South America, which would have been a terrible black mark on his chances of winning the next elections.  In discussion with Jagan, Kennedy made clear that he was not opposed to nationalization of industries provided that they were compensated.  Kennedy was also keen on maintaining democracy and Jagan assured that he favors parliamentary democracy.   However, Kennedy did not want to take any chance and undermined the politics in Guyana through CIA involvement.  It is no surprise that Kennedy's special assistant Arthur Schlesinger, Jr. later apologized to Jagan for US role in undermining him in the 60s.

 

The rest is history that we all know about.  It is interesting that a country that supposed to be the embodiment of democracy uses perverse means to undermine democracy in other countries.

FM

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