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When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

FM
Cobra posted:

Indos give power to Granger and kick PPP to the curb. There is no hope for the coolie party to regain consciousness. How proud are you to embrace the PPP at this critical stage?  

Don't blame the Blackman. Blame coolie for this irreversible mistake. 

"Give me Freedom or give me Death"

 Well under the PNC you might as well DIE.

K
Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

How are you, Gilbakka?

Time is not on our side, bhai. In 28 years Guyanese population will be mostly Douglas and may change the political landscape like a natural phenomenon. I don't have trust in any party to breakawsy from the racial stalemate. But I am rubbing mud in people's face for this unforgiven mistake that is hurting our people badly in Guyana. Everywhere you turn, Indians are paying a heavy price. 

FM
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Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

And then what? Another deluge of nepotism, discrimination, divisiveness, corruption, vindictiveness, and immoral behavior? What's the point of all this patient waiting and perseverance to drown the country in drug trafficking and corruption, to decimate the education system, to leave poor people in their hovels while the president and his lackeys build mansions and usurp resources of the nation at will?

A
Cobra posted:

How are you, Gilbakka?

Time is not on our side, bhai. In 28 years Guyanese population will be mostly Douglas and may change the political landscape like a natural phenomenon. I don't have trust in any party to breakawsy from the racial stalemate. But I am rubbing mud in people's face for this unforgiven mistake that is hurting our people badly in Guyana. Everywhere you turn, Indians are paying a heavy price. 

PPP founder Dr Cheddi Jagan wrote memorably 50 years ago that Time and History are on the side of the PPP because its cause is just. Have faith. The ethnic demographic will change but the working class will not disappear. The PPP will return to its working-class roots and will attract the poor who are always more numerous than the rich.

FM
Cobra posted:

Indos give power to Granger and kick PPP to the curb. There is no hope for the coolie party to regain consciousness. How proud are you to embrace the PPP at this critical stage?  

Don't blame the Blackman. Blame coolie for this irreversible mistake. 

YES YOU ARE RIGHT!!  A NAMKARAM CRABDAAAAG LOW LIFE PIECE OF RAW SEWAGE DID IT!!!  YUH UNCLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

And then what? Another deluge of nepotism, discrimination, divisiveness, corruption, vindictiveness, and immoral behavior? What's the point of all this patient waiting and perseverance to drown the country in drug trafficking and corruption, to decimate the education system, to leave poor people in their hovels while the president and his lackeys build mansions and usurp resources of the nation at will?

Jagdeo-Ramotar and crony capitalism were an aberration in the PPP, a departure from Cheddi Jagan's working-class vision and philosophy. The Jagdeo-Ramotar phenomena will pass. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

And then what? Another deluge of nepotism, discrimination, divisiveness, corruption, vindictiveness, and immoral behavior? What's the point of all this patient waiting and perseverance to drown the country in drug trafficking and corruption, to decimate the education system, to leave poor people in their hovels while the president and his lackeys build mansions and usurp resources of the nation at will?

Jagdeo-Ramotar and crony capitalism were an aberration in the PPP, a departure from Cheddi Jagan's working-class vision and philosophy. The Jagdeo-Ramotar phenomena will pass. 

Please identify plausible elements of the PPP who you think can reinstate Cheddi's vision. Forget about Cheddi's vision. Identify people in the party who can work for the betterment of Guyana and not just focus on filling their pockets.

A
Gilbakka posted:
antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

And then what? Another deluge of nepotism, discrimination, divisiveness, corruption, vindictiveness, and immoral behavior? What's the point of all this patient waiting and perseverance to drown the country in drug trafficking and corruption, to decimate the education system, to leave poor people in their hovels while the president and his lackeys build mansions and usurp resources of the nation at will?

Jagdeo-Ramotar and crony capitalism were an aberration in the PPP, a departure from Cheddi Jagan's working-class vision and philosophy. The Jagdeo-Ramotar phenomena will pass. 

The question is, how long will it take? Another reason I say Jagdeo needs to step out of the party.

GTAngler
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antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:
antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

And then what? Another deluge of nepotism, discrimination, divisiveness, corruption, vindictiveness, and immoral behavior? What's the point of all this patient waiting and perseverance to drown the country in drug trafficking and corruption, to decimate the education system, to leave poor people in their hovels while the president and his lackeys build mansions and usurp resources of the nation at will?

Jagdeo-Ramotar and crony capitalism were an aberration in the PPP, a departure from Cheddi Jagan's working-class vision and philosophy. The Jagdeo-Ramotar phenomena will pass. 

Please identify plausible elements of the PPP who you think can reinstate Cheddi's vision. Forget about Cheddi's vision. Identify people in the party who can work for the betterment of Guyana and not just focus on filling their pockets.

I'm looking long term. Most of the current Central Committee members are Jagdeo loyalists. They will not be there forever. It's a fact that many PPP members want a return to working-class politics. Events will unfold in due course as well as personalities.

FM
GTAngler posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Jagdeo-Ramotar and crony capitalism were an aberration in the PPP, a departure from Cheddi Jagan's working-class vision and philosophy. The Jagdeo-Ramotar phenomena will pass. 

The question is, how long will it take? Another reason I say Jagdeo needs to step out of the party.

PPP politics calls for PATIENCE AND OPTIMISM. Jagan waited 28 years and his patience paid off, even as many of his supporters had lost hope. Something to remember.

FM

Gilbakka:

I always respect Dr. Jagan and how he envisioned the future of the PPP. In Reality, the PPP has changed from its original footing from Jagan's time to now. It will further change as they go forward. Of course, the working class folks will always be around, but I don't foresee the PPP at the helm until after 2025.

It's not fair for the working class to keep hanging on a rotten rope of PPP's uncertain future. For good or bad, people's survival will take shape by the challenges that confront them. People make tough choices in tough times. By and large, Guyanese will survive. 

 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:
antabanta posted:
Gilbakka posted:

When I joined the PPP in 1969 my best friend told me: "Yuh wasting time. Jagan flogging a dead horse." That was only 5 years after the PPP was thrown out of government. And from that time through the 1970s and '80s I heard many folks declare the PPP dead. Time proved those prophets of doom wrong. As it was in the past, so it will be in the future. The PPP will triumph again, however long it takes, even if it's another 28 years' wait. 

And then what? Another deluge of nepotism, discrimination, divisiveness, corruption, vindictiveness, and immoral behavior? What's the point of all this patient waiting and perseverance to drown the country in drug trafficking and corruption, to decimate the education system, to leave poor people in their hovels while the president and his lackeys build mansions and usurp resources of the nation at will?

Jagdeo-Ramotar and crony capitalism were an aberration in the PPP, a departure from Cheddi Jagan's working-class vision and philosophy. The Jagdeo-Ramotar phenomena will pass. 

Please identify plausible elements of the PPP who you think can reinstate Cheddi's vision. Forget about Cheddi's vision. Identify people in the party who can work for the betterment of Guyana and not just focus on filling their pockets.

I'm looking long term. Most of the current Central Committee members are Jagdeo loyalists. They will not be there forever. It's a fact that many PPP members want a return to working-class politics. Events will unfold in due course as well as personalities.

A large portion of the Central Committee are Jagan communists who believe in their heart and souls that he left the party for them.  The whole world is moving ahead with new ideas, technology, best management practices, and a new international world order.  But those Communists want to return to working class politics.  The PNC is making more of an effort to tow the line of new ideas that's why they are in power.  If the formula is to return to working class politics then the likes of Komal Chand should run for President and let's see what happens.

Bibi Haniffa
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