what does "based on no empirical data whatsoever" [i take u at your word] mean to you sir?

 

based on what i will charitably describe as "credibility issues," your claim of 'special knowledge' does not impress

 

"Based on no empirical date whatsoever" is that I cannot offer you any hard data.

 

However, I did have hard data in 2001 and leading to 2006 (polls and surveys) and the reports of village to village canvassers and the expert advice of the IRI and various other professional Canadian and U.S. outfits to draw on. I also personally did some campaigning in Berbice village by village.

 

I lay no claim to "special knowledge." I do lay some claim to "experience" though. Especially the experience of the anti-PPP Indian voter in Berbice.

 

Your assessment of my "credibility issues" is your own problem. I can nor do I wish to be of assistance there.

now you are (as usual) trying to have it both ways

 

make up your mind and stop wasting time

 

Simple, it's been like 9 years dude. I don't maintain an extensive personal archive system just in case I need to "prove" a point in some future argument with an obstinate prosecutorial interlocutor. Do you?

 

The polls, surveys, and field reports I refer to were never meant for public consumption. They are the property of various agencies/organizations and of ROAR. I'm sure Ravi Dev must have retained copies but they're probably all in the hands of the PPP now as he's now with them.

 

I am clear. I can't give you copies of said data but I allude to their existence and my previous reliance on them to explain the source of my analysis and conclusions.

give it a rest shyteaann . . . baseman did it better

 

You really do add to the debate here with such profound insights. However, I write not for you but for those with the capacity to engage and learn. You lack both it seems. Especially when it comes to "people redux juss doan like"

oh, don't sell yourself short . . . i "learn" a lot from you

 

my shyte detector database would be nowhere near the impressive animal it is without essential contributions by not-so-smartmen like u

yes they lost 30% of their votes in Region 4 and 10 and only increased their total votes from 7% to 11%.  And there is no evidence that they have retained these Region 5 and 6 votes.

 

 

Great progress, especially when one considers how poorly the PNC and the PPP are perceived within their strongholds.

and you know all this how

I suggest you engage Freddie Kissoon with his assertions that many young people in South Georgetown aren't registered.  If you don't have ID you cannot vote.  If you lose your ID you cannot vote.  If you SELL your ID you cannot vote.  If your name isn't on the Voter's List you cannot vote.

 

Now has APNU done any work to ensure that Freddie Kissoon is wrong?

 

I see Mars, living in the USA, knows more about Guyana than does Freddie Kissoon.

warrior the fact you cannot write beyond a half sentence suggests that you aren't worthy of debating.

 

Have a good day!

The ROAR voters didn't just disappear.  It will be interesting to see which party they voted for.

 

I suggest that it is pure speculation as to whether those who supported Nagamootoo in 2011 did so because they wished to see a new type of politics, or because they didn't like the direction of the Jagdeoite PPP and so voted for a PPP man who they trusted.  Will they still trust him now that he has gone with the PNC?

APNU AFC better have a range of plans to offset this vote just in case those who claim that they will flee back to the PPP, or simply not vote.

you call the shit you post debating you nothing but a old fool,trying to spread confusion,you living on medication in a remote part of your dwelling and trying to tell us what the AFC and the APNU IS DOING AND NOT DOING were you a house slave and bend to the will of the master     

As an intellectually limited loser who you are, a man so illiterate that all you can do is to repeat what his leaders tell him, I suggest that you cease attempting to interact with me.

 

 

 Had you one iota of intelligence you would be furnishing evidence that I am wrong.  You are a stupid crude moron, so instead engage in personal attacks.  When some one does this then they reveal who they are.

 

You are on IGNORE now so don't bother respond to me.

seeing how you such a wise guy why not tell them know how to do this,after you take your medication 

then get the ****** off the site you old fool

 

More importantly, I said "ROAR supporters" as many supporters of ROAR did not vote for ROAR but still supported ROAR. They didn't vote for ROAR because they were afraid of ousting the PPP from office. This was a near universal fear. The hallowed "don't split the vote or the PNC will get in" argument. That argument was/is devastating to any anti PPP Indian effort.

 

ROAR support in Berbice always hovered around 7 potential seats. The AFC is in 2015 the beneficiary of much of the groundwork laid by ROAR. And these people ain't voting PNC.

 

       
       
I see that you're still clueless about Guyana politics even though I'm trying hard to penetrate your thick skull. In case you don't realize it yet most of Guyana's voting is race based. The AFC lost votes in regions 10 and 4 because of a couple of reasons. First of all, the presidential candidate in 2011 was an Indian in Ramjattan as opposed to Trotman in 2006. Regions 4 and 10 are mostly non-Indian so given that Ramjattan was Indian of course it is obvious that he would receive less votes. Only a clown like you would not see this. Secondly, the AFC is a small party with both financial and manpower limitations. The strategy in 2011 was to concentrate those resources on stealing votes from the PPP and campaign less in PNC/non Indian regions. The strategy worked as planned since they managed to increase their share of votes from 7 to 11%. I don't have the vote totals readily available(writing this on a phone) but 7 to 11 tells me 50% increase. It was a win for a small third party with limited resources and most important, it shifted the majority of seats held to the opposition.

Now it's totally understandable, given you hate everything Indian, that you would be against any small victories by the AFC because as you see it they have become in your own words Indo Party 2.

I already know the screams if the PPP wins from the chorus like Mars.  It will be anything other than the fact that APNU AFC failed to aggressively campaign, win over people to their side, and ensure that they have an aggressive get out to vote plan in place.

 

I'm sure the GNI Coalition goons will scream that unrepentant "racists" like you and I made things too difficult for the Gospel According to St. Pegasus to reach the masses.

you make outrages assertion with out any evidence  that is not debating its call criticism  

OK so you project race as a powerful element in how people vote.  You project the AFC as poor and lacking in resources.

 

You then don't seem to see that your points suggest two things

 

1.  Most of the campaigning will be dominated by APNU, who are limited basically to an African/mixed vote, as your AFC is "poor and weak".

 

2.  Racial fears of the Nagamootoo voters might drive them either back to the PPP, or leading to them not voting, as it will be Granger who will be the head of the ticket.  In Guyana people vote for the PRESIDENT.  The constitution as it exists empowers the PRESIDENT.  So if people do not trust the presidential candidate, the prospects of them voting for that party is remote.

 

This is exactly why APNU AFC need to be out in the fields explaining exactly how this coalition will work, and hat protections have been built in.

 

At this point no one can honestly say which party those 10k Nagamootoo voters will support, because it is likely that even those people are confused, and have yet to decide. 

 

This is why APNU AFC have to attract other voters as indeed David Hinds, M Maxwell, and Henry Jefferies have suggested that they do.  Now are you claiming that you know more about contemporary Guyanese politics. So what is the coalition doing to attract these people?  They didn't vote in 2006 or in 2011.

 

 

I will ignore your rant about me being "anti Indian".  It is just a sign that you have become hysterical and have tied yourself up in knots and are unable to engage in reasoned discussion with me.  This as even you cannot find solid evidence of what campaigning, beyond press related events, that the coalition is doing.

By the way Mars Region 4 is fairly balanced between Indian and African.  Africans are just over 40%, Indians just under 40%. 

 

Also Mars in 2011 the AFC lost 30% of the votes in region 4 and 10. So why so sure that this will not also happen in regions 5 and 6?

 

This suggests that the AFC attracts disaffected voters.  The extent to which is has a core support base is pure speculation.

       
       
I guess you two clowns failed to notice that the event at the Pegasus was a MEDIA launching event and there will also be a campaign launched on the street. Also the Pegasus was donated by the owner who's a strong AFC supporter. In any case, whether the coalition wins or loses will hardly depend on an event at the Pegasus but it gives the naysayers a crutch to cling on and say "I told you so" if they do lose.

Carib, what makes you think the opposition coalition is not out in the fields? You're just talking trash for you haven't got a clue about what is happening in Guyana beyond what you read in Kaieteur News.

 

Dude, I get that it was a "media launch." Got it! That is not my point.

 

Since when is electoral politics about such dispassionate finely chiseled facts?

 

Especially in Guyana? Abbe canecutters and ex bauxite workers ain't gonna be doing anything more than lookin at pics. And the pics show some suit and tie people at Pegasus "launching their campaign"

 

Them are stubborn optics.

How long has the MONC debate being going on?  How long has parliament been prorogued?  So how come we haven't seen sustained campaigning in the field and why isn't there a heavy emphasis on promoting solutions to deal with the plight of the rice farmers and Linden?

Given that you know that they are prove me wrong.  In this era it should be easy to do.  I quickly found evidence of what the UNITY party in St Kitts did.  So why cannot you find the same for APNU AFC?

 

Given that KN is an anti PPP media if the KN isn't reporting on APNU AFC activities then doesn't that seem that a media driven campaign strategy has its weaknesses? 

 

You think it crossed anyone of dem bright Coalition goons to invite some rice farmers to their fancy Brittanic Pegasus launch? How about some canecutters? Or how about any Indian faces at all?

there is people in this world that look for the worse in people instead of trying to look for a little good,they have no more to look for in the future so they lose the dream Carib the old fool is one of those, people like him is a danger to change 

And given that the grass roots in Guyana are very frustrated with the elites, given yawning income inequality in Guyana why does a picture with people in nice suits interest people.  It just confirms to them that politics is only about the "Big Ones".

 

In 2001 403k people voted.  10 years later it was only 342k.  Where did those voters go?

Did it even cross their minds that they should have used this media event to be held in a place where they could have attracted large crowds?  A huge crowd of Indian rice farmers would drive fear and panic into the PPP. And when ever this happens Rohee runs his mouth, confirming to all but the most die hard PPP that they need to go.

 

Now what would have been a better media event than Nagamootoo, whose party will have agriculture portfolio, launching an APNU AFC plan to help the rice farmers?  The farmers would have showed up, and the media would have also shown up.  Rohee would have engaged in some rant, further angering the farmers.

 

But Mars believes in the "follow the leader leader, follow the leader" brand of Guyanese politics.  How dare any one suggest that the Comrade Leader isn't some God like creature of whom no constructive criticism can be leveled.

       
       
You must be working with a mosquito brain if you didn't get it the first time and I have to explain it to you again. Glen Lall of Kaieteur News has an agreement with Rummouthar to ease up on the criticism of the PPP for the elections. He made this deal as part of the settlement to get out of the tax evasion charges he faced because of the two Lexus vehicles his family was using. Anyone who's constantly on social media will see photographic evidence of opposition events every day. Only naysayers like you and Shaitan will pretend that the opposition is doing nothing. Strange bedfellows the two of you, one hates the coalition because it has Indo Party 2 and the other hates it because the Leader is black. I guess race will always feature brightly in Guyanese politics and some people still find it hard to look beyond it and support a Unity Party.

So one would think that APNU AFC would be having daily meetings across the length and breadth of Guyana if all they have is the SN (I don't think read much by the grass roots) and a few other media outlets.

 

Why a campaign launch in a forum where only the media who will not promote it, would have been present?   Youtube will apparently have to be their best friend.

 

Every comment you make actually makes the position of APNU AFC WORSE!

 

If the media aren't covering the coalition campaign, then how will people know what is happening?  Consider that the PPP dominates the media, directly and through their allies, and so this is the dominant media messaging that people will receive.

Mars please outline what APNU AFC are doing, given that, according to you, they are doing so much.

 

there are eradicating hateful mentality like yours

 

You mean abbe Black ethnic voters and Indo ethnic voters are becoming issue-oriented voters in the great Westminster tradition by May 11th?

That ignorant response by warrior is why I blocked him.

 

90% of the voters in Guyana vote race.  Yes there is a need to emphasize the youth vote and the hash tag campaign is good for those literate enough to bother to read the testimonies.  A large % of young Guyanese are functionally illiterate and this is the very group least likely to have voted in 2011, and so where most new voters are likely to be found.

       
       
In the past few weeks, I've seen reports of coalition events in 28 villages in the Rupununi, in the Barima-Waini region in the North, up and down East Coast Dem, Berbice, among Essequibo rice farmers and many more all over the country. I distinctly remember the Rupununi and Waini visits being reported in The Stabroek News. You can do a search, it is there. Now you are just sitting in Brooklyn and whining that the Coalition is not reaching out to the people without knowing what is going on in Guyana. You are doing the opposition teams a major disservice by accusing them of not doing anything since that is totally untrue.

# 1. I am not sitting down in Brooklyn.

 

# 2.  We will see how effective their campaigning is on May 12th. I have my doubts.  I note that this campaigning isn't graphic enough for you to prove. A few bottom house meetings?  You do know that bottom house meetings are usually preaching to the choir, already loyal and converted, or they wouldn't be there.

 

   If the PPP wins, don't blame me.