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THE CONSTITUENCY THAT WILL DECIDE THE ELECTIONS

April 23, 2015 | By | Filed Under Features / Columnists, Peeping Tom, Source

 

A cat and mouse game is being played out between the ruling People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPPC) and the opposition coalition APNU+AFC. Both sides seem to be waiting on each other to make the first move when it comes to releasing their manifestos.


There are many who feel that the manifestos of the parties will be of little relevance to these elections. They contend that other more important issues such as corruption and cronyism should be enough to end the PPPC’s tenure in office.


“Should”, however, does not mean “would”. Corruption was one of the main opposition platforms in the 2011 elections. It did not bring them the success they anticipated.


The gains that the AFC made in 2011 into PPP strongholds in Berbice had nothing to do with public corruption. It had to do with the neglect by the ruling party of its constituents, a situation that it has since sought to correct.


The success of the AFC also had to do with the legwork done by former activists of ROAR who after that party dissolved went across to the AFC. Those activists swung a great many votes the AFC’s way. That is not going to happen again this election because those activists were not rewarded with a single seat in the last parliament. Most have since deserted the AFC.


The extra votes, in fact the impressive but highly suspicious growth in APNU’s support in Region Four- APNU surprisingly increased its tally in that Region by some 16,000 votes- had everything to do with the outrage that the supporters of the PNC felt when they saw a photograph of a mansion owned by a top wig of the PPP.


That mansion galvanized support for APNU from those within the PNCR who had deserted the party in the 2006 elections when it only garnered a disappointing 33 per cent of the polls.


But that mansion is not going to be an issue this time around because APNU’s support peaked during the last elections. This is why they have gambled on an alliance with the AFC. If APNU was of the view that it could increase its tally of votes to 44 per cent as it did in 1992, it would have not coalesced with the AFC but instead would have allowed the AFC to cut further into the PPPC support base thus allowing the PPPC to lose the four or five percentage points needed to fall below APNU’s projected 44 per cent.


In fact, there are some folks who feel that from the point of view of tactics that APNU has blundered. They feel that it would have been easier for APNU to have increased its take to 45 per cent and allow the AFC to decrease the PPPC core base to 42 per cent thus allowing APNU to win the presidency with the AFC holding the balance of power.


But APNU no doubt feels that it peaked in 2011 and therefore it is not likely to surpass the 40-odd percentage that it secured in those polls.


Corruption and mansions are not going to swing votes the opposition’s way in 2015.


The one thing that is likely to swing votes the coalition’s way is what is special interests and niches with the electorate.


In the 2011 polls, APNU dedicated some attention to youths, an important segment of the electorate. That however did not bring them any big swing in terms of overall support. This time, APNU is again differentiating the electorate and targeting youths. The response to two youth rallies held so far by the APNU+ AFC coalition has not been impressive.


The other important segment that APNU is targeting is women. But women have traditionally been in the forefront of the activities of the political parties. Voter turnout amongst women has always been believed to be higher than that for men.


APNU is therefore making a pitch to the converted and committed. It is not a segment that is therefore likely to bring the coalition additional votes this election.


The one segment that APNU+AFC has so far failed to target is the emerging middle class. This class is growing each year. Both APNU and the AFC have however stuck their heads in the sands and refused to concede that there is a growing middle class which is going to be an important constituency in this year’s elections.


They have refused to do so because implicit in doing so is to admit that there has been significant economic progress under the PPP, thus explaining the growth of the middle class.


The upper lower class is now creeping to middle class status.  It is this segment of the electorate that can decide the outcome of the elections, not the youth or women.


This is the educated class. This is the class that is an emerging propertied class. It is a class that is not going to be moved by fear or simply by the call for change. This is the class that will only be moved by policies and this where the manifestos of the parties come in.


The longer APNU+AFC delay in releasing its manifesto, the less time they will have to lure this segment which is so critical to the outcome of the elections.

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Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The success of the AFC also had to do with the legwork done by former activists of ROAR who after that party dissolved went across to the AFC. Those activists swung a great many votes the AFC’s way. That is not going to happen again this election because those activists were not rewarded with a single seat in the last parliament. Most have since deserted the AFC.

 

I said this a long time ago. The PPP realized this and actively worked to dismantle this development while the AFC Jaganites kept crowing about how much Indians love Moses Nagamootoo.

 

The AFC benefited from ROAR's activists and grassroots connection to Indian voters in 2011. That is not gonna happen again in 2015. The AFC Jaganites sold the lie of the Moses Nagamootoo effect.

FM

"The upper lower class is now creeping to middle class status.  It is this segment of the electorate that can decide the outcome of the elections, not the youth or women.


This is the educated class. This is the class that is an emerging propertied class. It is a class that is not going to be moved by fear or simply by the call for change. This is the class that will only be moved by policies and this where the manifestos of the parties come in."

 

 

 

As an educated class, the chance of them voting for the PPP/C is remote, they would be quite unlike the dunces presently in office. For an educated person to chose those vultures would be a move backward.

It's almost like having to choose whether you wish to take a crap in a nice toilet or the side of the street, any sane educated person would not choose the latter, that would be the PPP's choice.

cain
Originally Posted by cain:

"The upper lower class is now creeping to middle class status.  It is this segment of the electorate that can decide the outcome of the elections, not the youth or women.


This is the educated class. This is the class that is an emerging propertied class. It is a class that is not going to be moved by fear or simply by the call for change. This is the class that will only be moved by policies and this where the manifestos of the parties come in."

 

 

 

As an educated class, the chance of them voting for the PPP/C is remote, they would be quite unlike the dunces presently in office. For an educated person to chose those vultures would be a move backward.

It's almost like having to choose whether you wish to take a crap in a nice toilet or the side of the street, any sane educated person would not choose the latter, that would be the PPP's choice.

 

My Dear Friend,

 

You're a middle class person. Middle class people, who became middle class under the PPP, want stability as in no street protests that invariably paralyze the country. The PNC has history of paralyzing Guyana with violent street protests. I'm not so sure that middle class people want the party of the street mob in office. The PPP is not great thing but it is always viewed in relation to the PNC's image. The PNC's image is that of public chaos. That's not a middle class virtue.

FM

Nah, dats not how Imiddleman think. I would be viewing it the same as I now do.

 

I thought you said PNC done...where they come from now? I do not see PNC what I see are two parties doing something that should have been done way before I left the friken country in '73.

It was greedy ignorant racist *ucks who destroyed that beautiful country and continue to do so to this day. This is why I am looking at it one way with blinders on, I don't want to see nor hear shit from the PPP/C, what I see in APNU/AFC is what I like, ONE PEOPLE ONE NATION ONE DESTINY.

 

 

cain
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The success of the AFC also had to do with the legwork done by former activists of ROAR who after that party dissolved went across to the AFC. Those activists swung a great many votes the AFC’s way. That is not going to happen again this election because those activists were not rewarded with a single seat in the last parliament. Most have since deserted the AFC.

 

LIE from PEEPING TOM.

 

Dr Ramaya, former ROAR Leader is an AFC MP and is definitely going back to the 11th Parlaiment.

 

 

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
who became middle class under the PPP, want stability as in no street protests that invariably paralyze the country..

1.  When last has the PNC had a "paralyzing street protest".  Even in Linden it was Lindeners who began to protest and the APNU and AFC who had to run down there to protect their position.

 

2.  The best way to insure against PNC protests is to vote PNC in power.  Will the PNC protest against itself?

 

3.  What you do miss is that this is the class with the most heightened expectations of life.  The people most likely to visit Barbados and contrast it with Guyana.  The people most likely to feel frustrated by the corruption and nepotism of the PPP as they don't want and aren't impressed by charity, so their votes will be less easily bought.

 

4.  The Indian segment is also likely to tire of PPP ignorance like Ashni driving drunk, fleeing an accident and then bribing/intimidating the victim not to press charges.  A rape victim's family bribed to drop charges when the son of a PPP official engages in statutory rape.  When an Indo female activist is vulgarly insulted by a senior PPP minister.  When Ramotar tells an Amerindian that he is stupid and if Jagdeo was there he would slap him.

 

So it is among the younger and more educated emerging class where boredom of the PPP, and a sophisticated understanding of the potential of a co led coalition gov't might bring.  They will vote, even if their less educated cohorts don't.

FM
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Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
who became middle class under the PPP, want stability as in no street protests that invariably paralyze the country..

1.  When last has the PNC had a "paralyzing street protest".  Even in Linden it was Lindeners who began to protest and the APNU and AFC who had to run down there to protect their position.

 

2.  The best way to insure against PNC protests is to vote PNC in power.  Will the PNC protest against itself?

 

3.  What you do miss is that this is the class with the most heightened expectations of life.  The people most likely to visit Barbados and contrast it with Guyana.  The people most likely to feel frustrated by the corruption and nepotism of the PPP as they don't want and aren't impressed by charity, so their votes will be less easily bought.

 

4.  The Indian segment is also likely to tire of PPP ignorance like Ashni driving drunk, fleeing an accident and then bribing/intimidating the victim not to press charges.  A rape victim's family bribed to drop charges when the son of a PPP official engages in statutory rape.  When an Indo female activist is vulgarly insulted by a senior PPP minister.  When Ramotar tells an Amerindian that he is stupid and if Jagdeo was there he would slap him.

 

So it is among the younger and more educated emerging class where boredom of the PPP, and a sophisticated understanding of the potential of a co led coalition gov't might bring.  They will vote, even if their less educated cohorts don't.

The best way to insure against PNC protests is to vote PNC in power.  Will the PNC protest against itself?

 

Not a good reason to reinstall a dictatorship.

 

FM

And Shaitaan.  The face of the PNC is Granger.  The face of the PPP is Jagdeo.

 

Who looks to you like the more middle class person.  In fact APNU AFC campaign events have a distinct prim and proper Georgetown middle class appearance, unlike the brawling and cuss out PPP events.

FM
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
 

Not a good reason to reinstall a dictatorship.

 

Right.  No need to re install the PPP.  The party which rapes its own supporters.  Threatens to slap them or even kill them if they don't tow the line. 

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
who became middle class under the PPP, want stability as in no street protests that invariably paralyze the country..

1.  When last has the PNC had a "paralyzing street protest".  Even in Linden it was Lindeners who began to protest and the APNU and AFC who had to run down there to protect their position.

 

2.  The best way to insure against PNC protests is to vote PNC in power.  Will the PNC protest against itself?

 

3.  What you do miss is that this is the class with the most heightened expectations of life.  The people most likely to visit Barbados and contrast it with Guyana.  The people most likely to feel frustrated by the corruption and nepotism of the PPP as they don't want and aren't impressed by charity, so their votes will be less easily bought.

 

4.  The Indian segment is also likely to tire of PPP ignorance like Ashni driving drunk, fleeing an accident and then bribing/intimidating the victim not to press charges.  A rape victim's family bribed to drop charges when the son of a PPP official engages in statutory rape.  When an Indo female activist is vulgarly insulted by a senior PPP minister.  When Ramotar tells an Amerindian that he is stupid and if Jagdeo was there he would slap him.

 

So it is among the younger and more educated emerging class where boredom of the PPP, and a sophisticated understanding of the potential of a co led coalition gov't might bring.  They will vote, even if their less educated cohorts don't.

 

We both know that race has always managed to transcend class in Guyana. Hell, race in America transcends extraordinary class boundaries linking the poor mountain folk of West Virginia to the absurdly rich Wall Street elite to the upper middle classes of Long Island to the poor post-industrial wastelands of upstate NY in holding together the modern Republican Party.

 

I really hesitate to fully assume so many things about this emerging Guyanese middle class. Their newness is probably the key to predicting their behavior. This new middle class may be more interested in doing all they can to just hold onto their new Popeye's status rather than risk being sent back to the local chinee cook shap. I cannot imagine that this new middle class has become a socially responsible group so quickly.

 

I believe I have discerned an extraordinary transformation in the attitudes of Guyanese people over the past two decades. Money is the new god to everyone in a profound way that it never was before. There is no social sanction for acquiring and displaying dirty money. It is a predatory society and everyone is on the prowl. Everyone is calculated almost exclusively on their net worth. I think the PPP is an accurate reflection of the decay and rot you will find in the ordinary heart and mind of the ordinary Guyanese. They say often that a government is only a reflection of its people. I think that's true here.

 

There is no Guyanese good people v. a corrupt PPP. There is a corrupt PPP leading a corrupted Guyanese people. Behavior that would shock you and I are now a new "norm." Clinton Urling is a shining example and he's not even Indian.

 

As for things like misogyny, statutory rape, and drunk driving etc. etc., what makes you think the average Guyanese is opposed to this kind of behavior and does not engage in this behavior himself? I've noticed that as Guyanese join the middle class, they almost expect these "perks" as part of their new life. I mean, what's the point of having money if you can't have a young sweet homan?

 

In summary, I'd be careful about imputing any kind of nobility in our new middle class. These mudheads in Guyana are gaining money not class.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The success of the AFC also had to do with the legwork done by former activists of ROAR who after that party dissolved went across to the AFC. Those activists swung a great many votes the AFC’s way. That is not going to happen again this election because those activists were not rewarded with a single seat in the last parliament. Most have since deserted the AFC.

 

I said this a long time ago. The PPP realized this and actively worked to dismantle this development while the AFC Jaganites kept crowing about how much Indians love Moses Nagamootoo.

 

The AFC benefited from ROAR's activists and grassroots connection to Indian voters in 2011. That is not gonna happen again in 2015. The AFC Jaganites sold the lie of the Moses Nagamootoo effect.

 

This fact is at the heart of this election. The AFC has no plan B and are currently hiding under Granger's Kilt.

 

The opposition also made a critical mistake by ignoring the middle class.

 

GNI's homeless Jaganites can only sell snake oil for so long. 

 

AFC/PNC cork duck.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

There is no Guyanese good people v. a corrupt PPP. There is a corrupt PPP leading a corrupted Guyanese people. Behavior that would shock you and I are now a new "norm." Clinton Urling is a shining example and he's not even Indian.

 

As for things like misogyny, statutory rape, and drunk driving etc. etc., what makes you think the average Guyanese is opposed to this kind of behavior and does not engage in this behavior himself? I've noticed that as Guyanese join the middle class, they almost expect these "perks" as part of their new life. I mean, what's the point of having money if you can't have a young sweet homan?

 

In summary, I'd be careful about imputing any kind of nobility in our new middle class. These mudheads in Guyana are gaining money not class.

The average Guyanese has kids and so will not be too happy that they can be raped, pistol whipped or knocked down with no repercussions.  Its their middle class status which they feel makes them vulnerable as they cannot bribe enough to fight against those monsters who behave like that.

 

Urling is a known PPP soup licker.  Who trades favors to benefit his business.

 

The new middle class are employees and so are not looking for greater greed thru drinking soup from the presumed winner.  They have nothing to offer and so nothing to get.

 

Its this simple.  Guyanese are tired of having to pay bribes to get their birth certificate and know that with the entire system as corrupt as it is they will wallow in frustration.

 

And all one needs is a slight shift in votes.  Race is not enough to guarantee the PPP a victory.  There arent enough Indians, and they will not get every Indian vote, and their campaign of racial panic is scaring the non Indians, except for the soup lickers.  Most people will not be allowed near the bowl of soup as they have nothing to offer in exchange.

 

So this is a close election.  I am not going to predict who the winner will be.  When the margin of difference is within the statistical "error" amount, it will depend on what the late deciders so, and who shows up on election day.

 

I will say that the PPP is looking much worse than it did even 3 years go.  Then the only question was whether they would win the majority or not.  Now the question is whether they will get the same 49%, which will mean they lose, unless a minor party grabs enough votes in a strategic location. We havent heard much from Benscop recently.

FM
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The success of the AFC also had to do with the legwork done by former activists of ROAR who after that party dissolved went across to the AFC. Those activists swung a great many votes the AFC’s way. That is not going to happen again this election because those activists were not rewarded with a single seat in the last parliament. Most have since deserted the AFC.

 

I said this a long time ago. The PPP realized this and actively worked to dismantle this development while the AFC Jaganites kept crowing about how much Indians love Moses Nagamootoo.

 

The AFC benefited from ROAR's activists and grassroots connection to Indian voters in 2011. That is not gonna happen again in 2015. The AFC Jaganites sold the lie of the Moses Nagamootoo effect.

 

This fact is at the heart of this election. The AFC has no plan B and are currently hiding under Granger's Kilt.

 

The opposition also made a critical mistake by ignoring the middle class.

 

GNI's homeless Jaganites can only sell snake oil for so long. 

 

AFC/PNC cork duck.

Can be seen from the recently published PNC cum AFC 2015 Joint Manifesto.

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:
Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

The success of the AFC also had to do with the legwork done by former activists of ROAR who after that party dissolved went across to the AFC. Those activists swung a great many votes the AFC’s way. That is not going to happen again this election because those activists were not rewarded with a single seat in the last parliament. Most have since deserted the AFC.

 

I said this a long time ago. The PPP realized this and actively worked to dismantle this development while the AFC Jaganites kept crowing about how much Indians love Moses Nagamootoo.

 

The AFC benefited from ROAR's activists and grassroots connection to Indian voters in 2011. That is not gonna happen again in 2015. The AFC Jaganites sold the lie of the Moses Nagamootoo effect.

 

This fact is at the heart of this election. The AFC has no plan B and are currently hiding under Granger's Kilt.

 

The opposition also made a critical mistake by ignoring the middle class.

 

GNI's homeless Jaganites can only sell snake oil for so long. 

 

AFC/PNC cork duck.

Can be seen from the recently published PNC cum AFC 2015 Joint Manifesto.

Eat a bowl of alphabet soup and you may shit out a smarter statement than that. partybananapartybanana

Mitwah

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