The coalition governs; now what about the future of each party?

Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Here we go again with inane nonsense!

Knew you would behave like DG even though senility isn't your excuse, so I even went ahead and broke it down for you.

 

So why don't you go to those numbers and prove that Moses delivered a bigger margin in Regions 2,3, 5 and 6 than APNU did in regions 7 and 10?

 

APNUs win in Gtown (SOUTH Gtown to be exact) was so big that I don't even know why you would dare challenge that.

 

Seriously you cannot prove that Moses delivered a significant Indian vote, so don't even try.  In fact his fate is now tied to Granger's.  If Granger fails the AFC is finished.

Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Rev:
 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

Exactly.............

Ayuh two in USA, well PNC in power.  Live with it.  Indians in Guyana are being referred to as "coolie dags".

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

You becoming as stupid as them:

2020 PNC/GDF 55%, AFC/PPP 45%.

 

* You're getting overly emotional baseman.

 

* DIS TIME NAH LANG TIME.

 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

baseman: Mr Rev, that's what you said when I warned you of the possibility of a PPP lost a week before May 11.  Mark my words, the PNC will never lose again, ask Caribj, he must be laughing and high "fiveing" at how stupid we c00lies are.

 

baseman:

 

* If the coalition remains intact, if they are able to make inroads into the Amerindian vote,  and if Guyana continues to progress economically and socially, then the PPP will likely remain in the wilderness for a very long time.

 

* But I don't share your fear that the PNC/GDF will control Guyana again.

 

Rev

 

 

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

You becoming as stupid as them:

2020 PNC/GDF 55%, AFC/PPP 45%.

 

* You're getting overly emotional baseman.

 

* DIS TIME NAH LANG TIME.

 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

baseman: Mr Rev, that's what you said when I warned you of the possibility of a PPP lost a week before May 11.  Mark my words, the PNC will never lose again, ask Caribj, he must be laughing and high "fiveing" at how stupid we c00lies are.

 

baseman:

 

* If the coalition remains intact, if they are able to make inroads into the Amerindian vote,  and if Guyana continues to progress economically and socially, then the PPP will likely remain in the wilderness for a very long time.

 

* But I don't share your fear that the PNC/GDF will control Guyana again.

 

Rev

 

 

Just as the PPP just shocked themselves by learning that they can actually lose, so will APNU (AFC) lose if power makes them arrogant and corrupt.  Even as the mixed vote grows, if the PPP moves from its racist orientation it might be able to woo them, as well as cross over black votes.

 

But if they sulk and pout and walk around the streets like vagrants then their prospects will be no better than those of the UF.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Rev:
 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

Exactly.............

Another way is saying that the black and mixed vote with the AFC got in 2011 migrates over to the APNU.  We can debate as to where the Indian segment will go.  What we do know is that by 2020 the Indian segment will be smaller than it is today.

 

I seriously don't know what the fate of the AFC outside of the coalition will be.  The PPP will not want them.  I have a suspicion that APNU isn't going to give up so much to the AFC in 2020.

Haha, Caribj, you putting in front their stupid c00lie faces, and yet they don't see the setup.  You bais already calculated and "balloted" 2020.  PNC long game, and the clowns don't see.  Well, I guess cockroaches cannot see in the sunlight.

Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

You becoming as stupid as them:

2020 PNC/GDF 55%, AFC/PPP 45%.

 

* You're getting overly emotional baseman.

 

* DIS TIME NAH LANG TIME.

 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

baseman: Mr Rev, that's what you said when I warned you of the possibility of a PPP lost a week before May 11.  Mark my words, the PNC will never lose again, ask Caribj, he must be laughing and high "fiveing" at how stupid we c00lies are.

 

baseman:

 

* If the coalition remains intact, if they are able to make inroads into the Amerindian vote,  and if Guyana continues to progress economically and socially, then the PPP will likely remain in the wilderness for a very long time.

 

* But I don't share your fear that the PNC/GDF will control Guyana again.

 

Rev

 

 

Rev, you are a WAGer, you have no credibility.

Originally Posted by baseman:
.

Haha, Caribj, you putting in front their stupid c00lie faces, and yet they don't see the setup.  You bais already calculated and "balloted" 2020.  PNC long game, and the clowns don't see.  Well, I guess cockroaches cannot see in the sunlight.

Baseman, unlike you I feel confident that the PNC will one day lose.  Power breeds arrogance and corruption, and as Guyana becomes defined more by its mixed, Amerindian, and its Brazilian populations, and less by its Indian and African populations a blind and stupid race vote becomes less assured.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
.

Haha, Caribj, you putting in front their stupid c00lie faces, and yet they don't see the setup.  You bais already calculated and "balloted" 2020.  PNC long game, and the clowns don't see.  Well, I guess cockroaches cannot see in the sunlight.

Baseman, unlike you I feel confident that the PNC will one day lose.  Power breeds arrogance and corruption, and as Guyana becomes defined more by its mixed, Amerindian, and its Brazilian populations, and less by its Indian and African populations a blind and stupid race vote becomes less assured.

Yea, sure sure, in 2065/

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Recall that the increased votes in Region 7 and 10 was MORE than the PPP loss.

 

Here we go again - a load of poppycock!

Carib: You can engage in your emotional meltdown Kari but it is obvious to all that Moses didn't deliver the margins that he needed to in PPP strongholds.  The PPP added 30k more votes in these places. 

 

 

carib:

 

* The fact remains Moses and the AFC took the Coalition over the 50% marker and they retained a 1 seat majority in parliament.

 

* It is futile to be arguing whether or not Moses delivered in PPP strongholds.

 

* THE COALITION WON THE ELECTION.

 

 

FAST FORWARD TO 2020

 

* If the coalition were to split up---the PPP will be back in office as a minority government.

 

Rev

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Recall that the increased votes in Region 7 and 10 was MORE than the PPP loss.

 

Here we go again - a load of poppycock!

You can engage in your emotional meltdown Kari but it is obvious to all that Moses didn't deliver the margins that he needed to in PPP strongholds.  The PPP added 30k more votes in these places. 

 

APNU added 28k more votes in Region 4, mainly Gtwn. And enjoyed a record turnout in Linden, adding 4,400 more votes.  Bartica delivered another 1300.

 

APNU AFC did NOT win on the basis of improved margins in the rural coastal areas.  It won on the basis of better margins in Georgetown and in the mining/forestry areas!

 

Kari these facts are well known and are being TALKED about!

yeah....and you have those facts and figures....mind sharing with the rest of us?

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Rev:
 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

Exactly.............

Ayuh two in USA, well PNC in power.  Live with it.  Indians in Guyana are being referred to as "coolie dags".

No Caribny echo chamber, bhai?

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Rev:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

You becoming as stupid as them:

2020 PNC/GDF 55%, AFC/PPP 45%.

 

* You're getting overly emotional baseman.

 

* DIS TIME NAH LANG TIME.

 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

baseman: Mr Rev, that's what you said when I warned you of the possibility of a PPP lost a week before May 11.  Mark my words, the PNC will never lose again, ask Caribj, he must be laughing and high "fiveing" at how stupid we c00lies are.

 

baseman:

 

* If the coalition remains intact, if they are able to make inroads into the Amerindian vote,  and if Guyana continues to progress economically and socially, then the PPP will likely remain in the wilderness for a very long time.

 

* But I don't share your fear that the PNC/GDF will control Guyana again.

 

Rev

 

 

Just as the PPP just shocked themselves by learning that they can actually lose, so will APNU (AFC) lose if power makes them arrogant and corrupt.  Even as the mixed vote grows, if the PPP moves from its racist orientation it might be able to woo them, as well as cross over black votes.

 

But if they sulk and pout and walk around the streets like vagrants then their prospects will be no better than those of the UF.

so will APNU (AFC) lose

 

You know how APNU lose?/ AFC walks away. That simple.

 

APNU by itself did not win, so APNU ain't got nothing to lose....it's the coalition. No coalition APNU wind nothing.

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by Rev:
 

* If the AFC pulls out of the coalition---the PNC will return to being a 40% party.

 

* The way I see it ---the AFC will remain KINGMAKERS in Guyana politics.

 

RE: THE GDF

 

* Your fears are misguided.

 

Rev

 

 

Exactly.............

Another way is saying that the black and mixed vote with the AFC got in 2011 migrates over to the APNU.  We can debate as to where the Indian segment will go.  What we do know is that by 2020 the Indian segment will be smaller than it is today.

 

I seriously don't know what the fate of the AFC outside of the coalition will be.  The PPP will not want them.  I have a suspicion that APNU isn't going to give up so much to the AFC in 2020.

Haha, Caribj, you putting in front their stupid c00lie faces, and yet they don't see the setup.  You bais already calculated and "balloted" 2020.  PNC long game, and the clowns don't see.  Well, I guess cockroaches cannot see in the sunlight.

Caribny's echo chamber cranks up....

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
.

Haha, Caribj, you putting in front their stupid c00lie faces, and yet they don't see the setup.  You bais already calculated and "balloted" 2020.  PNC long game, and the clowns don't see.  Well, I guess cockroaches cannot see in the sunlight.

Baseman, unlike you I feel confident that the PNC will one day lose.  Power breeds arrogance and corruption, and as Guyana becomes defined more by its mixed, Amerindian, and its Brazilian populations, and less by its Indian and African populations a blind and stupid race vote becomes less assured.

Oh sk0nt....crack in the Caribny-Basement coalition.....tarass...

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

No AFC coalition APNU won't even be talking about Ministries. They'd be talking about shadow Ministries. They said half-a-loaf is better than none.

Kari like you said you don't know, because even you cannot prove that Moses wasn't a bigger gift to the PPP than he was to the coalition. 

 

How very interesting of you to notice that. Spot on. Moses was the center of the anti-Opposition campaign.

 

Personally, if it wasn't for Moses I'd have spent the campaign rooting for APNU and the AFC. As I actually did in 2011. And I met Moses multiple times and find him likeable. I still do. I'm not against Moses the Human. Moses the politician though not only does not inspire me but he frightens me. Another Indian who isn't an Indian in his words meaning he doan care about the issues crushing the ordinary Indian. I don't care if he eats from the sacred puraine leaf or prefers Royal Doulton's service.

 

There is something that seems paradoxical here but really isn't. The PNC being anti-Indian is almost expected. Any Indian challenging the PPP cannot however say "I'm not Indian." "I'm not Indian" was not about this silly argument about ethnicity vs. nationality. It was about the fact that it sent a powerful message to the ordinary Indian that Moses cannot be trusted to look after our interests especially in a PNC-dominated regime where we would need our strongest Indians to stand their ground especially in Cabinet.

 

I'm know well the author of the "I'm not Indian" campaign. He's a PhD. The real kind. He started the campaign and people like me picked it up because we believed him. That "I'm not Indian" quote summed up for all of us what we don't like about Moses the politician not Moses the man. Only the stupid people thought this was about Moses not being personally Indian. It was about Moses politically removing himself from the concerns of the ordinary Indo. And it was devastating to Moses. Devastating especially as he chose to be silent. I even urged the AFC cultists here to respond knowing full well they won't

 

It would surprise you to know that the traditional PPPites still do not know why the "I'm not Indian" campaign worked so well. They thought it was just another part of their "I hate Black people" campaign. It wasn't. It was about Moses not being trusted politically to represent his Indian constituents.

 

One example would be:

"I'm not Indian" (ordinary Indian hears "I don't care about crime")

 

"I'm not Indian" (ordinary Indian hears "I don't care about the sugar workers"

 

So forth and so on. It was a devastatingly useful quote.

PNC appointing more ministers than PPP had, they paving the way for a Govt without the AFC.  If AFC stays with PNC, in 2020 they will get seats proportional to the votes they bring, which means one or two.  However, PNC will be in power with or without the AFC, thanks to AFC, PPP and general c00lie stupidity.  AFCites who put the PNC in power will have to save their hides from the wrath of the oppressed Indian masses.

Originally Posted by baseman:

PNC appointing more ministers than PPP had, they paving the way for a Govt without the AFC.  If AFC stays with PNC, in 2020 they will get seats proportional to the votes they bring, which means one or two.  However, PNC will be in power with or without the AFC, thanks to AFC, PPP and general c00lie stupidity.  AFCites who put the PNC in power will have to save their hides from the wrath of the oppressed Indian masses.

 

The fact is dude, there is very very little difference for the ordinary Indians between a PNC Government and a PPP Government.

 

As long as the PNC keeps the dhall, flour, and aloo flowing so to speak, ordinary Indians won't really notice a change of government.

 

Did insulting and molesting Indo peasants start on May 11th?

 

Was it better from 1992-2015.

 

Let's be honest with ourselves here, we were defeated in 1964. And we stayed a defeated population. Now we go from a defeated population to a conquered population.

It's a divided country.  AFC power helped the APNU to defeat the PPP. The future of the AFC depends on its party organization.

 

If the current arrangement works well and there are no internal upheavals, this arrangement will become a de facto merger.  If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

 

Think about it, the AFC is in Govt after 2 elections and has an increased presence in parliament.  What's the down side?

Originally Posted by Kari:

APNU could not have been leading a government without partnering with the AFC. That's a given. It would have had a long clog to win the hearts and minds of the largest ethnic group.

 

The AFC knows it is too small and too young with not such a large party infrastructure to win governance. It's objective was to get rid of a corrupt PPP and usher in an era of non-racial voting.

 

It is expected that the partnership will be rocky. We've already seen the protocol surrounding the division of the spoils - the Ministries. Boards, Commissions, etc. are to follow. The AFC knows that while it got a guaranteed number of Parliamentary seats and Ministries, it cannot grow as an individual party like the APNU and PPP can.

 

Governing is one vehicle to establish trust and a pedigree. The AFC however will need at some time to have mechanisms to grow.Can it do so while in a governing partnership or will it lose its identity. In fact it has sought to have its identity as a multi-racial and anti-corruption party. Those are important tools when confronted with a corrupt and incompetent governing party. Now that it is in government it has to solidify and expand its identity in such a way as to make itself a peer with the other two large parties; build an infrastructure; write its history and establish its heroes.

 

The PPP needs to reinvent itself and clean house. It needs to drop the references to Marxism-Leninism and democratize its structure. Ramjattan made that call a while back. It needs to get out of the grasp of Jagdeo - Moses made that call.

 

APNU will seek to regain a national trust and it has to thank the AFC for the opportunity.

 

The AFC needs to grow, period. What path will it define for such growth?

Guys, we all have to remember President Granger is under much pressure from his PNC party.  The AFC got 40% of everything - cabinet, MPs, heads of Department etc.

 

This is a fair deal.

 

It is working.

 

Why trouble it.

 

Yes there could have been more HINDU representatives in the Cabinet, but other than that, this Cabinet tick all the boxes especially on the WOMEN's FRONT (NUFF women in the Cabinet).

Originally Posted by KishanB:

Guys, we all have to remember President Granger is under much pressure from his PNC party.  The AFC got 40% of everything - cabinet, MPs, heads of Department etc.

 

This is a fair deal.

 

It is working.

 

Why trouble it.

 

Yes there could have been more HINDU representatives in the Cabinet, but other than that, this Cabinet tick all the boxes especially on the WOMEN's FRONT (NUFF women in the Cabinet).

Datt "Hindu" philosophy got PPP down the shaft.  If they paid attention to the needs of the people and not left them up to "karma", they would not have such a mess.

 

PNC giving alyuh nuff nuff honey this time around.  Let's see 2020, maybe even before.  Read the "hints" coming for Caribj!

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Here we go again with inane nonsense!

Knew you would behave like DG even though senility isn't your excuse, so I even went ahead and broke it down for you.

 

So why don't you go to those numbers and prove that Moses delivered a bigger margin in Regions 2,3, 5 and 6 than APNU did in regions 7 and 10?

 

APNUs win in Gtown (SOUTH Gtown to be exact) was so big that I don't even know why you would dare challenge that.

 

Seriously you cannot prove that Moses delivered a significant Indian vote, so don't even try.  In fact his fate is now tied to Granger's.  If Granger fails the AFC is finished.

Not if the constitution change to allow collation after elections. AfC would be in a better position to negotiate the better deal offer by APNU verses the PPP.

Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Kari while we speak there are folks in the PNC who want to know what the AFC did to deserve 40% of cabinet. 

That is PNC being typical PNC. They always wanted all of it even though they did not work for or deserve all of it. Without the AFC, the PNC wouldn't have the 60% of the Cabinet they have now. They would have zero %.

Originally Posted by baseman:
 

Now, because of a few "crab c00lies" like you, Indians don't have half a loaf, like pre-1992, they will have crumbs.

However, pre-1992, votes weren't counted. The result was decided way prior to the election. Did someone say the PPP weren't democratic?

Originally Posted by caribny:
 

I seriously don't know what the fate of the AFC outside of the coalition will be.  The PPP will not want them.  I have a suspicion that APNU isn't going to give up so much to the AFC in 2020.

I have a feeling that APNU isn't going to wait till 2020 to do this.

Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

I am not defending the leaders of the party bai. I am addressing the notion that the masses are stupid for voting PPP. No matter how much the leaders may have deviated from ideal governance, the masses are still better served by the PPP than by the PNC. Nothing in history can contest that argument.

Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S....dem coolie idiots was tiefin millions and neglected a State that is about to produce billions.

Timing is of the essence.

Nah, they were outwitted by the USA.  You see, the announcement (Exxon) was made within days of the PNC victory.  How coincidental.

Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

I am not defending the leaders of the party bai. I am addressing the notion that the masses are stupid for voting PPP. No matter how much the leaders may have deviated from ideal governance, the masses are still better served by the PPP than by the PNC. Nothing in history can contest that argument.

The masses of Indians are trapped by ethnic security fears and vote "safety in numbers".  The real culprits of the demise of Indians are their leaders.

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S....dem coolie idiots was tiefin millions and neglected a State that is about to produce billions.

Timing is of the essence.

Nah, they were outwitted by the USA.  You see, the announcement (Exxon) was made within days of the PNC victory.  How coincidental.

 

Dem idiots still too schupid to realize how many varied elements came together to kick them from power. I'm only surprised it took this long for the old stars to align against them. These people doan learn.

 

This was not the decision of a clerk of the State Department. This was a major policy shift on how to handle Venezuela. Venezuela now has a limitless American presence on its borders and if Exxon is really wicked (which I have no doubt of) they can use gravity to drain some Venezuelan oil fields

Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

P.S....dem coolie idiots was tiefin millions and neglected a State that is about to produce billions.

Timing is of the essence.

Nah, they were outwitted by the USA.  You see, the announcement (Exxon) was made within days of the PNC victory.  How coincidental.

 

Dem idiots still too schupid to realize how many varied elements came together to kick them from power. I'm only surprised it took this long for the old stars to align against them. These people doan learn.

 

This was not the decision of a clerk of the State Department. This was a major policy shift on how to handle Venezuela. Venezuela now has a limitless American presence on its borders and if Exxon is really wicked (which I have no doubt of) they can use gravity to drain some Venezuelan oil fields

And the US will not allow another anti-US regime access to oil wealth to strengthen the Maduro/Morales/Castro axis.

Originally Posted by caribny:
 

Just as the PPP just shocked themselves by learning that they can actually lose, so will APNU (AFC) lose if power makes them arrogant and corrupt.  Even as the mixed vote grows, if the PPP moves from its racist orientation it might be able to woo them, as well as cross over black votes.

 

But if they sulk and pout and walk around the streets like vagrants then their prospects will be no better than those of the UF.

 

* Well said Carib.

 

Rev

Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

It's a divided country.  AFC power helped the APNU to defeat the PPP. The future of the AFC depends on its party organization.

 

 

* The AFC will never become a mass based party like the PPP and PNC, but they can remain "kingmakers" for years to come.

 

* What the AFC needs to ensure is the CONSTITUTION is reformed to diminish the power of the President.

 

* Unless the President is stripped of the power of recall for example----the AFC is powerless in the current coalition.

 

Rev

Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:
 

Recall that the increased votes in Region 7 and 10 was MORE than the PPP loss.

 

Here we go again - a load of poppycock!

You can engage in your emotional meltdown Kari but it is obvious to all that Moses didn't deliver the margins that he needed to in PPP strongholds.  The PPP added 30k more votes in these places. 

 

APNU added 28k more votes in Region 4, mainly Gtwn. And enjoyed a record turnout in Linden, adding 4,400 more votes.  Bartica delivered another 1300.

 

APNU AFC did NOT win on the basis of improved margins in the rural coastal areas.  It won on the basis of better margins in Georgetown and in the mining/forestry areas!

 

Kari these facts are well known and are being TALKED about!

yeah....and you have those facts and figures....mind sharing with the rest of us?

I already did.  And the facts and figures are already in the public domain.  Now if you don't wish to do the analysis feel free.  But the PPP INCREASED its margins in its strongholds, so Moses didn't deliver. Ramotar did when she engaged in the Linden Masssacre.

 

Now you can engage in a hysterical meltdown, or you can deconstruct those numbers and developed a counter point.  You aren't Nehru, but this hysterical reaction is helping your argument.

Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by ksazma:
Originally Posted by baseman:
 

As I said, "c00lies" are a stupid bunch.

This sounds like crab daag attitude bai. How are coolies a stupid bunch?

 

The coolies spent 23 years tiefin while running the country's major industries like sugar and rice into the ground.

 

Then they undermined the rule of law. Then they left Indians to face a 90% PNC ethnically loyal GDF and Police Force.

 

All them big mansions them coolies got can't protect them from a bullet to the head at 2am.

 

You yourself never criticized the Coolie Captains of the Titanic for bringing us to this iceberg we knew was coming since 2000.

I am not defending the leaders of the party bai. I am addressing the notion that the masses are stupid for voting PPP. No matter how much the leaders may have deviated from ideal governance, the masses are still better served by the PPP than by the PNC. Nothing in history can contest that argument.

Well the MASSES voted against the PPP TWICE.

 

Maybe  you lot will one day understand that Indians are a MINORITY in Guyana, and no longer the majority.

Originally Posted by baseman:
are trapped by ethnic security fears and vote "safety in numbers".  The real culprits of the demise of Indians are their leaders.

Yes they are really trapped.  Stormborn has long warned about the shoe being on the other foot as the Indian population declines.  Well a massive turnout of African and mixed voters, combined with a small swing Indo vote (mainly in Gtown I suspect) was enough to slay the PPP beast.

 

Indians will remain trapped unless they figure out how to develop cross ethnic alliances.

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