Sonu Nigam insulted our noble Religion

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

I saw with my own eyes in PakIstan captured held Kashmir a Kashmir independence supporter be beaten like a dog with bamboo sticks by Pakistani police. But this traitor Keffer turns a blind eye because he knows if he speaks up then the Canadian embassy will have to bring his body back in a box back from Pakistan.

 

Tell us how, despite the fact that you have never been to Kashmir, you were able to see as far away as Pakistan 'with my own eyes', dumb-ass ? There is no independence movement in Azad Kashmir, you moron ! Why don't you post the supporting references ? Post them if you have balls or is there just kaka in your thick skull !  

As I said before. You are one dumb brown. Paki authorities are showing you the side of captured held Kashmir that they want you to see. You dumb brown.

 

As I said before it is a matter for me and my bosses where I have been.

Prashad posted:
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

I saw with my own eyes in PakIstan captured held Kashmir a Kashmir independence supporter be beaten like a dog with bamboo sticks by Pakistani police. But this traitor Keffer turns a blind eye because he knows if he speaks up then the Canadian embassy will have to bring his body back in a box back from Pakistan.

 

Tell us how, despite the fact that you have never been to Kashmir, you were able to see as far away as Pakistan 'with my own eyes', dumb-ass ? There is no independence movement in Azad Kashmir, you moron ! Why don't you post the supporting references ? Post them if you have balls or is there just kaka in your thick skull !  

As I said before. You are one dumb brown. Paki authorities are showing you the side of captured held Kashmir that they want you to see. You dumb brown.

 

As I said before it is a matter for me and my bosses where I have been.

'As I said before'; your usual jackass stammer in lieu of clearly articulated reason or thoughts, eh dumb-ass ! You clearly do not have the balls to tell the truth; you have never been anywhere except into toilets to do scrubbing and cleaning. You have neither the intelligence nor ability to 'con' anyone because the US does not take toilet cleaners around with them to different countries. Furthermore, US forces have NEVER ever been in Azad Kashmir so get the hell out of here with your dumb-ass rubbish and lies ! You are idiot enough to think that you are smart but that is only enough to clean toilets !   

Prashad posted:
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

I saw with my own eyes in PakIstan captured held Kashmir a Kashmir independence supporter be beaten like a dog with bamboo sticks by Pakistani police. But this traitor Keffer turns a blind eye because he knows if he speaks up then the Canadian embassy will have to bring his body back in a box back from Pakistan.

 

Tell us how, despite the fact that you have never been to Kashmir, you were able to see as far away as Pakistan 'with my own eyes', dumb-ass ? There is no independence movement in Azad Kashmir, you moron ! Why don't you post the supporting references ? Post them if you have balls or is there just kaka in your thick skull !  

As I said before. You are one dumb brown. Paki authorities are showing you the side of captured held Kashmir that they want you to see. You dumb brown.

 

As I said before it is a matter for me and my bosses where I have been.

You have not 'said anything before', you dunce ! Go ask your bosses where you have been because you are simply too brainless to know for yourself ! You are nothing but a liar and a dunce so save your energy for your toilet-cleaning routine ! Get the hell away from honest people who are trying to engage in decent and honest discussions, YOU IDIOT

Prashad posted:

Keffer you are one dumb brown. You do not even know that a large portion of the Kashmir independence movement is in captured held Kashmir.

Mr. Dumb-ass Dunce, borrow or steal a copy of the appropriate volume of Encyclopedia Brittanica and ask someone to read and explain it very slowly to you ! Your comprehension capabilities are clearly miniscule so if you need a history lesson on the history of Kashmir let me know. 

ksazma posted:

Incidentally D2, that is my current position about Jesus. As I look at his words and actions listed in the Bible I find it interesting that someone described as gentle would express such disdains for so many just because they were not part of his inner circle. Consider his dismissal of the dead with his "let the dead bury the dead" comment to list one. You are familiar with all of them so I wouldn't bore you with them. The negatives of his words and actions far outweigh the positives in my opinion. There was a 1979 book called the 100 which listed Paul as third most influential person in history ahead of Jesus and the author posited that Paul is more influential to Christianity than Jesus. Jesus is more the shadow leader while Paul is the actual leader and that is easy to see as preachers quote Paul much more than they do Jesus or God.

That he is violent etc is unadulterated crap that your readings of Muslim polemics have inculcated in you. Had they tell you of the wars of Mohamed similarly as aggressive and not to confront aggression you would have the same position. Jesus admonishes, chastises, condemns, criticizes poor behavior. He overlays it all with the simple message that one is to love ones neighbor as himself and not to beat him into submission. 

In not one instance has he organized armed resistance to confront those he disagreed with and he had the Jewish clans and the Romans overlords to deal with. He never said what everyone wanted him to do, organize riots. 30 years after his death that is exactly what agitators did with the Jewish population and it result in Vespasian banishing the Jews from the holy land.

Anyway, the above is digression. Return to the original premise, ie he was a lungera meaning an insolent fellow with limited knowledge whose words can illustrate this. Note the first time we met him at 12 he was lecturing to the scholars of Israel who insists he was a man of great learning. His last words was reflecting on Psalm  121 written two thousand years previously. The point I make and I can examine every sentence, that came from his mouth and not attributed to anyone else, was that of a man of great depth.

How can Paul be greater to christian when Paul was organizing Christians in the ways of Christ? The religion is after all about Cristos. Paul give it a methodology to survive, private communal services and inclusiveness. It later took its structure Bishop to parish priests from the Roman government system to Organize around Peter as its first Pope not Paul.

Paul is important for making Christians survive from the first century to the third.  The greatest push for its survival came from Constantine's mother Helena ( and not Constantine himself) After him the next push was with Justinian and Theodora ( an Egyptian actress and prostitute) and they give it the order to take it through the dark ages to be rescued by the Frankish King, Charlemagne again and who again pushed it into  the Renaissance. The point I make is all of these people served Christ  and his message, Christianity, not Paul.

D2 posted:

By the way, I am not coming back on this thread. It represents one of the reasons I find GN&I a morbidly disgusting place populated with dredges who are allowed to run wild and pollute the place.

One question before you go D2. Did Jesus call people dogs, swine, pigs, etc.? If so, what was so loving and kind about that? Regarding armed resistance, couldn't that be because he had no one he can enlist in such a resistance? Wasn't he also upset that his disciples fell asleep in the garden thereby causing the Roman soldiers to get to him?

One is not judged by their best but rather by their worst and I can't think of another religious personality who ever called those he did not regard as equal his Jewish posse pigs, dogs and swine. I characterized him as a lungera because he walked around with his handful of compadres all day and didn't accomplish anything in his 33 years on this earth. The person he though he can trust the most and who he said he will build his church on denied him three different times. I don't see too much glowing attributes there dude.

Lastly, they do adhere to Paul and not Jesus because while Jesus stood constant to the ONLY way to get to heaven was to obey the 10 commandments which is all about works and deeds, Paul stated that man id not saved by works and deeds but by grace and Christians have since disregarded Jesus' position about how man is saved.

Prashad posted:

Keffer you are one dumb brown. You do not even know that a large portion of the Kashmir independence movement is in captured held Kashmir.

Prashad, it must be clear to all that you inherited the intellect of a lame-brained jenny-ass......there is no such thing as a Kashmir independence movement ! Independence from who/what ? Quit with your lies about being in Kashmir; you do not know shit about anything so, for the Nth time, stop posting trash ! In addition to being an idiot, you are a blatant and shameless liar so get the hell out of here ! 

There are Kashmir independence supporters in Pakistan-captured held Kashmir but they are very afraid. Very afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. 

I don't give a damn if Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan.  The problem for me is any Kashmiri land that goes to Pakistan.  Comes with Red China or the Republic of China (whichever is in power in China) getting their portion of Kashmir land also.  For the Chinaman to get land that our ancestors fought and died for is a personal insult to me.

ksazma posted:
D2 posted:

By the way, I am not coming back on this thread. It represents one of the reasons I find GN&I a morbidly disgusting place populated with dredges who are allowed to run wild and pollute the place.

One question before you go D2. Did Jesus call people dogs, swine, pigs, etc.? If so, what was so loving and kind about that? Regarding armed resistance, couldn't that be because he had no one he can enlist in such a resistance? Wasn't he also upset that his disciples fell asleep in the garden thereby causing the Roman soldiers to get to him?

One is not judged by their best but rather by their worst and I can't think of another religious personality who ever called those he did not regard as equal his Jewish posse pigs, dogs and swine. I characterized him as a lungera because he walked around with his handful of compadres all day and didn't accomplish anything in his 33 years on this earth. The person he though he can trust the most and who he said he will build his church on denied him three different times. I don't see too much glowing attributes there dude.

Lastly, they do adhere to Paul and not Jesus because while Jesus stood constant to the ONLY way to get to heaven was to obey the 10 commandments which is all about works and deeds, Paul stated that man id not saved by works and deeds but by grace and Christians have since disregarded Jesus' position about how man is saved.

Answered your swine...woman ( to his mother) etc before. They are standard muslim polemics and only a bother for them.

Jesus said, "in my fathers house there are many mansions" the explanation to which is there is a place for any...from the "four corners of the earth" ( cardinal points) where he sent his disciples to carry the message of loving "thy neighbor". He did not order them to kill the infidels or to convert them by the sword.

You do not get to say what christian believe. The two main strands of the church each follow a creed ( apostolic or Nicene) and Jesus is the center of them

D2 posted:
ksazma posted:
D2 posted:

By the way, I am not coming back on this thread. It represents one of the reasons I find GN&I a morbidly disgusting place populated with dredges who are allowed to run wild and pollute the place.

One question before you go D2. Did Jesus call people dogs, swine, pigs, etc.? If so, what was so loving and kind about that? Regarding armed resistance, couldn't that be because he had no one he can enlist in such a resistance? Wasn't he also upset that his disciples fell asleep in the garden thereby causing the Roman soldiers to get to him?

One is not judged by their best but rather by their worst and I can't think of another religious personality who ever called those he did not regard as equal his Jewish posse pigs, dogs and swine. I characterized him as a lungera because he walked around with his handful of compadres all day and didn't accomplish anything in his 33 years on this earth. The person he though he can trust the most and who he said he will build his church on denied him three different times. I don't see too much glowing attributes there dude.

Lastly, they do adhere to Paul and not Jesus because while Jesus stood constant to the ONLY way to get to heaven was to obey the 10 commandments which is all about works and deeds, Paul stated that man id not saved by works and deeds but by grace and Christians have since disregarded Jesus' position about how man is saved.

Answered your swine...woman ( to his mother) etc before. They are standard muslim polemics and only a bother for them.

Jesus said, "in my fathers house there are many mansions" the explanation to which is there is a place for any...from the "four corners of the earth" ( cardinal points) where he sent his disciples to carry the message of loving "thy neighbor". He did not order them to kill the infidels or to convert them by the sword.

You do not get to say what christian believe. The two main strands of the church each follow a creed ( apostolic or Nicene) and Jesus is the center of them

Indeed I am not interested in determining what Christians should believe. My argument is that anyone calling others pigs, dogs and swine just because they are not from his religion can't be as kind and loving as is claimed.

Jesus retort about 'in my father's kingdom, there are many mansions' was actually because he was being harassed for not having any notable worldly possessions of his own and not about him including people of all four corners of the earth in his father's mansions.

When Jesus spoke of loving thy neighbors, he is not considering any non Jews so I think you are incorrect in thinking that he is doing so. By his own words, when he called the woman a dog, he reminded his compadres even before calling her a dog that he was ignoring her because he was sent only to the lost flock of the house of Israel. They had to beg him to even look at her by telling him that her crying will befall and even then he refused saying that "it is not proper to take the children's pearls and throw it to the dogs". Nothing loving in that statement my friend.

Jesus consistently treated non-Jews with disdain.

Those are facts as recorded in the New Testament. How one choses to consider them is their right. I chose to consider them as evidence of a poisoned person.

D2 posted:

 

Let me first say that your problems with Jesus calling people what they are is your problem not the problem of Christians.

The Canaanite woman knew who he was and understood his response would not thwart her request for aid. Jews did not help non jews. Jesus told her as much before his Jewish audience. She as a believer did not falter but persisted. It was to illustrate the depth of faith. And what did this Jew did for a sworn enemy of Jews? He helped her. That is the point of the lesson. Most of the stories were written some 50 years after his death and they most likely are paraphrase to illustrate his method of teaching by example and parables. Nowhere did he not help when asked.

Jesus of the bible is decisive, purposeful, and always focused on moral ways of achieving salvation. Not one line in his words ever mentioned killing anyone, or taxing them disproportionately or  punishing them. He stated emphatically that the reward is not here but in another reality. Leave the unbelievers unto themselves and know they are dammed if they do not change their ways. He never suggest they be killed or forced to the faith.

Your insistence that he came for the Jews alone is not what Christians believe and what they believe is all that matters. However there are numerous examples as to why they believe as they do because they can source a reference.  I do not care to quote them because I am not here to convince you but to make it clear you are spreading Muslim polemics not biblical doctrine.

As I said, these arguments are resolved for Christians. Muslims need them to establish the benevolence of Mohamed despite the reality of his life being one of war rather than convincing his opponents through the worth of his theology. Jesus never said to fight Caesar but insisted that believers follow their faith. That was was emphasized directly by his admonishing his disciples who wanted to resist his arrest and his healing the severed ear of the Roman. The carry over of this admonition not to fight  is demonstrated by the lives of the disciples themselves. Beginning with Simon to Peter  to Paul to Timothy they never resisted but were martyred for their faith. While people may give their life for a lie...these people had no reason to project a lie. They believe in his lessons about peace and judgement being somewhere else.

One considers the New Testament valid no less than one considers any historical recounting valid by comparing its historical references. The people mentioned can be checked from alternative sources. Even Jesus was mentioned three times by external sources (one considered dubious because it referenced him as the son of god)

Note the Koran is a compendium of unfinished stories of mainly Jewish life.  If one is to complete any of the stories, the life of  Moses's life for example, one has to go to the bible and Jewish sources. That is their historical ethos. You cannot doubt that and have a valid Koran. If you consider them valid then why do you doubt the history of lives of a people writing about their people contemporaneously?  That is history  people writing about themselves. You accept it or not.

I have to tell you here my friend that almost everything you mentioned above is what Christians preach and teach but they are not supported by the unfiltered text of the Bible. I believe that it is rude and obnoxious to call a woman a dog or to call others pigs and swine, even pricks. If Christians don't care about that kind of behavior, more power to them. For me, putting lipstick on a pig does not change the fact that it is still a pig.

There is a show currently on CNN titled "Finding Jesus" and many of the long believed 'facts' are being proven incorrect by carbon testing. Christians may chose to deny the results of those tests but they are no less invalid just because Christians don't accept them.

Indeed I am not interested in determining what Christians should believe. My argument is that anyone calling others pigs, dogs and swine just because they are not from his religion can't be as kind and loving as is claimed.

Jesus retort about 'in my father's kingdom, there are many mansions' was actually because he was being harassed for not having any notable worldly possessions of his own and not about him including people of all four corners of the earth in his father's mansions.

When Jesus spoke of loving thy neighbors, he is not considering any non Jews so I think you are incorrect in thinking that he is doing so. By his own words, when he called the woman a dog, he reminded his compadres even before calling her a dog that he was ignoring her because he was sent only to the lost flock of the house of Israel. They had to beg him to even look at her by telling him that her crying will befall and even then he refused saying that "it is not proper to take the children's pearls and throw it to the dogs". Nothing loving in that statement my friend.

Jesus consistently treated non-Jews with disdain.

Those are facts as recorded in the New Testament. How one choses to consider them is their right. I chose to consider them as evidence of a poisoned person.

Let me first say that your problems with Jesus calling people what they are is your problem not the problem of Christians.

The Canaanite woman knew who he was and understood his response would not thwart her request for aid. Jews did not help non jews. Jesus told her as much before his Jewish audience. She as a believer did not falter but persisted. It was to illustrate the depth of faith. And what did this Jew did for a sworn enemy of Jews? He helped her. That is the point of the lesson. Most of the stories were written some 50 years after his death and they most likely are paraphrase to illustrate his method of teaching by example and parables. Nowhere did he not help when asked.

Jesus of the bible is decisive, purposeful, and always focused on moral ways of achieving salvation. Not one line in his words ever mentioned killing anyone, or taxing them disproportionately or  punishing them. He stated emphatically that the reward is not here but in another reality. Leave the unbelievers unto themselves and know they are dammed if they do not change their ways. He never suggest they be killed or forced to the faith.

Your insistence that he came for the Jews alone is not what Christians believe and what they believe is all that matters. However there are numerous examples as to why they believe as they do because they can source a reference.  I do not care to quote them because I am not here to convince you but to make it clear you are spreading Muslim polemics not biblical doctrine.

As I said, these arguments are resolved for Christians. Muslims need them to establish the benevolence of Mohamed despite the reality of his life being one of war rather than convincing his opponents through the worth of his theology. Jesus never said to fight Caesar but insisted that believers follow their faith. That was was emphasized directly by his admonishing his disciples who wanted to resist his arrest and his healing the severed ear of the Roman.

The carry over of this admonition not to fight  is demonstrated by the lives of the disciples themselves. Beginning with Simon to Peter  to Paul to Timothy they never resisted but were martyred for their faith. While people may give their life for a lie...these people had no reason to project a lie. They believe in his lessons about peace and judgement being somewhere else.

One considers the New Testament valid no less than one considers any historical recounting valid by comparing its historical references. The people mentioned can be checked from alternative sources. Even Jesus was mentioned three times by external sources (one considered dubious because it referenced him as the son of god)

Note, the Koran is a compendium of unfinished stories of mainly Jewish life.  If one is to complete any of the stories, the life of  Moses's life for example, one has to go to the bible and Jewish sources. That is their historical ethos. You cannot doubt that Moses lived and had brothers, married Sephora,  or that  lived in Egypt and rescued his people, took them to a holy land  and still have a valid Koran. If you consider that narrative valid then why do you doubt the history of lives of a people writing about their people contemporaneously in the NT?  That is history;  people writing about themselves. You accept it or not. And Christians do not care.

Leonora posted:

Come on, Keff, fess up - what's the story with you & Prash?

posted:
 

There is no story. Apart from the fact that he is a full-fledged idiot who tries to give the impression that he knows everything about everything; when in reality he knows very little and posts mostly garbage ...nothing. 

Keffer posted:
Leonora posted:

Come on, Keff, fess up - what's the story with you & Prash?

 

There is no story. Apart from the fact that he is a full-fledged idiot who tries to give the impression that he knows everything about everything; when in reality he knows very little and posts mostly garbage ...nothing. 

Hey, I deleted the post, how did you get it?    Prash reminds me of another poster. 

You've travelled to Kashmir a lot. Is it still as gorgeous as portrayed in Indian movies 1960-2000 with the Dal Lake, mountains, vacation resorts and flower gardens?

Prashad posted:

There are Kashmir independence supporters in Pakistan-captured held Kashmir but they are very afraid. Very afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. 

I don't give a damn if Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan.  The problem for me is any Kashmiri land that goes to Pakistan.  Comes with Red China or the Republic of China (whichever is in power in China) getting their portion of Kashmir land also.  For the Chinaman to get land that our ancestors fought and died for is a personal insult to me.

You are evidently the only person in the western hemisphere who is privy to this 'sinister plan' that will facilitate Pakistan ceding land in Azad Kashmir to China ! Please therefore share your vast knowledge with everyone and tell us 1) the source and details of your information and 2) when and where you were in Azad Kashmir, and 3) explain what precisely is 'Pakistan-captured held Kashmir'. I was in Pakistan not so long ago and Azad Kashmir is one of the places where I worked and spent close to three weeks.

Prashad, you really need to see a psychiatrist because you are either 1) very significantly over-rating your knowledge/intelligence, 2) you are living in your own private dream world and are therefore in dire need of professional help or 3) you consider all participants in this forum to be idiots. Also, I would like to ask you a few questions, the answers to which will quickly tell me if you did indeed visit Azad Kashmir. Do let me know if that is okay with you.   

 

Leonora posted:

Hey, I deleted the post, how did you get it?    Prash reminds me of another poster. 

You've travelled to Kashmir a lot. Is it still as gorgeous as portrayed in Indian movies 1960-2000 with the Dal Lake, mountains, vacation resorts and flower gardens?

My guess Leonora is that it is not. Unfortunately, the world has lost much of its beauty over the past two decades and sadly my Muslim brothers have been responsible for much of it. There are now 9000 years old artifacts that are destroyed in the Middle East. Those artifacts were preserved by the great Muslims of the past and now they are gone. Then you look at the mistrust of Muslims in the West particularly in Europe and as a Muslim, it is concerning that my ummah has become this today. I don't know much about Kashmir because CNN doesn't really show that but it is reasonable to think that if there are constant strife there, it must be quite destructed also.

ksazma posted:

D2, please take a look at the following article. Since you are a person of science, you would have to agree that the Christians' belief that Adam was created some 6000 years ago is inaccurate, wouldn't you?

Ancient stone carvings show a comet hitting earth in 10950 B. C. and changing civilization forever

 

I do not care about christian creation or end of times myth. I know men evolved over eons from some panspermic germ spawned in the heart of some second generation supernova. I also know there is no everlasting because the end of the sun is only 4 billion years from. Further, our entire solar system is moving at millions of miles per hour in the direction of the Virgo Cluster into very dangerous galactic neighborhood. In 25thousand years we will hit a galactic cloud and chances are it will scour away our atmosphere. Assuming we are smart and is still around having not murdered each we will have to over come hundreds of extinction events. But the very universe will possibly shred itself in about 60 million years. Religion is just a way to keep people from the reality that there is a big nothing after death. Fortunately, none of us will be disappointed.

D2 posted:
 

I do not care about christian creation or end of times myth. I know men evolved over eons from some panspermic germ spawned in the heart of some second generation supernova. I also know there is no everlasting because the end of the sun is only 4 billion years from. Further, our entire solar system is moving at millions of miles per hour in the direction of the Virgo Cluster into very dangerous galactic neighborhood. In 25thousand years we will hit a galactic cloud and chances are it will scour away our atmosphere. Assuming we are smart and is still around having not murdered each we will have to over come hundreds of extinction events. But the very universe will possibly shred itself in about 60 million years. Religion is just a way to keep people from the reality that there is a big nothing after death. Fortunately, none of us will be disappointed.

I totally agree.

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

There are Kashmir independence supporters in Pakistan-captured held Kashmir but they are very afraid. Very afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. 

I don't give a damn if Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan.  The problem for me is any Kashmiri land that goes to Pakistan.  Comes with Red China or the Republic of China (whichever is in power in China) getting their portion of Kashmir land also.  For the Chinaman to get land that our ancestors fought and died for is a personal insult to me.

You are evidently the only person in the western hemisphere who is privy to this 'sinister plan' that will facilitate Pakistan ceding land in Azad Kashmir to China ! Please therefore share your vast knowledge with everyone and tell us 1) the source and details of your information and 2) when and where you were in Azad Kashmir, and 3) explain what precisely is 'Pakistan-captured held Kashmir'. I was in Pakistan not so long ago and Azad Kashmir is one of the places where I worked and spent close to three weeks.

Prashad, you really need to see a psychiatrist because you are either 1) very significantly over-rating your knowledge/intelligence, 2) you are living in your own private dream world and are therefore in dire need of professional help or 3) you consider all participants in this forum to be idiots. Also, I would like to ask you a few questions, the answers to which will quickly tell me if you did indeed visit Azad Kashmir. Do let me know if that is okay with you.   

 

Are you crazy. Didn't I write earlier that this site is monitored by the Chinese. Keffer you are one dumb brown. Look at the history of Kashmir. The Pakis already gave a gift of Kashmir land to China. As I said before there is a secret agreement in place for Pakistan to give a large piece of Indian Kashmir to China when that land goes to Pakistan. They are doing it to ensure peace between Pakistan and the Chinese people.

Leonora posted:
Keffer posted:
Leonora posted:

Come on, Keff, fess up - what's the story with you & Prash?

 

There is no story. Apart from the fact that he is a full-fledged idiot who tries to give the impression that he knows everything about everything; when in reality he knows very little and posts mostly garbage ...nothing. 

Hey, I deleted the post, how did you get it?    Prash reminds me of another poster. 

You've travelled to Kashmir a lot. Is it still as gorgeous as portrayed in Indian movies 1960-2000 with the Dal Lake, mountains, vacation resorts and flower gardens?

Kashmir is everything I expected it to be and far more ! On returning home after my first trip there, I told relatives and friends that, despite not seeing the entire world, I firmly believe that the Creator touched certain parts of this world with His own hands (figuratively, of course) and this must have included Kashmir in both India and Pakistan ! For me, it was a blessing to work & spend time in both Indian Kashmir and Azad Kashmir ! I remember that, as adolescents, we often used the term 'camera tricks' as we marveled at the incredible beauty of landscapes and scenes that we saw in old Hindi movies. Being there in person was truly exhilarating to see the numerous vast expanses of fields under cultivation of wheat, corn, barley, rice, vegetables etc....and flowers too ! What I saw was no camera trick ! The hills, mountains, valleys and terraces that were built to facilitate transportation of people and produce are very old but they certainly remain quite functional. Most striking was the blue water that courses through the streams and rivers that descend from the highlands into the populated plains and valleys. On the other hand, live still goes on in semi-primitive ways in several places. I believe, however, that many people are not terribly interested in modernity as we are in the western world. TV, cellular phones, computers are common place, probably more so in Azad Kashmir than in Indian Kashmir. Without doubt, it has always been delightful to be in the lands of our forefathers. 

Prashad posted:

There are Kashmir independence supporters in Pakistan-captured held Kashmir but they are very afraid. Very afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. 

I don't give a damn if Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan.  The problem for me is any Kashmiri land that goes to Pakistan.  Comes with Red China or the Republic of China (whichever is in power in China) getting their portion of Kashmir land also.  For the Chinaman to get land that our ancestors fought and died for is a personal insult to me.

You are an idiot; quit with your senseless drivel !

Keffer posted:
Leonora posted:
Keffer posted:
Leonora posted:

Come on, Keff, fess up - what's the story with you & Prash?

 

There is no story. Apart from the fact that he is a full-fledged idiot who tries to give the impression that he knows everything about everything; when in reality he knows very little and posts mostly garbage ...nothing. 

Hey, I deleted the post, how did you get it?    Prash reminds me of another poster. 

You've travelled to Kashmir a lot. Is it still as gorgeous as portrayed in Indian movies 1960-2000 with the Dal Lake, mountains, vacation resorts and flower gardens?

Kashmir is everything I expected it to be and far more ! On returning home after my first trip there, I told relatives and friends that, despite not seeing the entire world, I firmly believe that the Creator touched certain parts of this world with His own hands (figuratively, of course) and this must have included Kashmir in both India and Pakistan ! For me, it was a blessing to work & spend time in both Indian Kashmir and Azad Kashmir ! I remember that, as adolescents, we often used the term 'camera tricks' as we marveled at the incredible beauty of landscapes and scenes that we saw in old Hindi movies. Being there in person was truly exhilarating to see the numerous vast expanses of fields under cultivation of wheat, corn, barley, rice, vegetables etc....and flowers too ! What I saw was no camera trick ! The hills, mountains, valleys and terraces that were built to facilitate transportation of people and produce are very old but they certainly remain quite functional. Most striking was the blue water that courses through the streams and rivers that descend from the highlands into the populated plains and valleys. On the other hand, live still goes on in semi-primitive ways in several places. I believe, however, that many people are not terribly interested in modernity as we are in the western world. TV, cellular phones, computers are common place, probably more so in Azad Kashmir than in Indian Kashmir. Without doubt, it has always been delightful to be in the lands of our forefathers. 

Spoken like a true three weeks tourist.

Prashad posted:
Keffer posted:
Leonora posted:
Keffer posted:
Leonora posted:

Come on, Keff, fess up - what's the story with you & Prash?

 

There is no story. Apart from the fact that he is a full-fledged idiot who tries to give the impression that he knows everything about everything; when in reality he knows very little and posts mostly garbage ...nothing. 

Hey, I deleted the post, how did you get it?    Prash reminds me of another poster. 

You've travelled to Kashmir a lot. Is it still as gorgeous as portrayed in Indian movies 1960-2000 with the Dal Lake, mountains, vacation resorts and flower gardens?

Kashmir is everything I expected it to be and far more ! On returning home after my first trip there, I told relatives and friends that, despite not seeing the entire world, I firmly believe that the Creator touched certain parts of this world with His own hands (figuratively, of course) and this must have included Kashmir in both India and Pakistan ! For me, it was a blessing to work & spend time in both Indian Kashmir and Azad Kashmir ! I remember that, as adolescents, we often used the term 'camera tricks' as we marveled at the incredible beauty of landscapes and scenes that we saw in old Hindi movies. Being there in person was truly exhilarating to see the numerous vast expanses of fields under cultivation of wheat, corn, barley, rice, vegetables etc....and flowers too ! What I saw was no camera trick ! The hills, mountains, valleys and terraces that were built to facilitate transportation of people and produce are very old but they certainly remain quite functional. Most striking was the blue water that courses through the streams and rivers that descend from the highlands into the populated plains and valleys. On the other hand, live still goes on in semi-primitive ways in several places. I believe, however, that many people are not terribly interested in modernity as we are in the western world. TV, cellular phones, computers are common place, probably more so in Azad Kashmir than in Indian Kashmir. Without doubt, it has always been delightful to be in the lands of our forefathers. 

Spoken like a true three weeks tourist.

Nobody cares for your dumb-ass comments; shut your yap !

Prashad posted:

Keffer you are one dumb brown. You do not even know that a large portion of the Kashmir independence movement is in captured held Kashmir.

Prashad, you really do need a swift kick in your rump to awaken you from dreamland ! You must be the only person who is familiar with  the 'Kashmir Independence Movement'. They no doubt communicate solely and directly with you so why don't you share the details with us ? Your brain has evidently gravitated to your rectum so do get to a physician as soon as possible !

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There are Kashmir independence supporters in Pakistan-captured held Kashmir but they are very afraid. Very afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. 

I don't give a damn if Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan.  The problem for me is any Kashmiri land that goes to Pakistan.  Comes with Red China or the Republic of China (whichever is in power in China) getting their portion of Kashmir land also.  For the Chinaman to get land that our ancestors fought and died for is a personal insult to me.

You are evidently the only person in the western hemisphere who is privy to this 'sinister plan' that will facilitate Pakistan ceding land in Azad Kashmir to China ! Please therefore share your vast knowledge with everyone and tell us 1) the source and details of your information and 2) when and where you were in Azad Kashmir, and 3) explain what precisely is 'Pakistan-captured held Kashmir'. I was in Pakistan not so long ago and Azad Kashmir is one of the places where I worked and spent close to three weeks.

Prashad, you really need to see a psychiatrist because you are either 1) very significantly over-rating your knowledge/intelligence, 2) you are living in your own private dream world and are therefore in dire need of professional help or 3) you consider all participants in this forum to be idiots. Also, I would like to ask you a few questions, the answers to which will quickly tell me if you did indeed visit Azad Kashmir. Do let me know if that is okay with you.   

 

Are you crazy. Didn't I write earlier that this site is monitored by the Chinese. Keffer you are one dumb brown. Look at the history of Kashmir. The Pakis already gave a gift of Kashmir land to China. As I said before there is a secret agreement in place for Pakistan to give a large piece of Indian Kashmir to China when that land goes to Pakistan. They are doing it to ensure peace between Pakistan and the Chinese people.

Stop saying 'as I said before' you idiot; you did not say anything like this before ! How will Pakistan ever be in a position to 'give a large piece of Indian Kashmir to China' ? Are they going to enter India during the night while the Indians are sleeping, put the land in their truck and then drive it over to China? Prashad, I have never encountered a bigger idiot than you; I presume you are a grown man so stop reading fairy tales ! 

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

There are Kashmir independence supporters in Pakistan-captured held Kashmir but they are very afraid. Very afraid for their lives and the lives of their families. 

I don't give a damn if Kashmir is part of India or Pakistan.  The problem for me is any Kashmiri land that goes to Pakistan.  Comes with Red China or the Republic of China (whichever is in power in China) getting their portion of Kashmir land also.  For the Chinaman to get land that our ancestors fought and died for is a personal insult to me.

You are evidently the only person in the western hemisphere who is privy to this 'sinister plan' that will facilitate Pakistan ceding land in Azad Kashmir to China ! Please therefore share your vast knowledge with everyone and tell us 1) the source and details of your information and 2) when and where you were in Azad Kashmir, and 3) explain what precisely is 'Pakistan-captured held Kashmir'. I was in Pakistan not so long ago and Azad Kashmir is one of the places where I worked and spent close to three weeks.

Prashad, you really need to see a psychiatrist because you are either 1) very significantly over-rating your knowledge/intelligence, 2) you are living in your own private dream world and are therefore in dire need of professional help or 3) you consider all participants in this forum to be idiots. Also, I would like to ask you a few questions, the answers to which will quickly tell me if you did indeed visit Azad Kashmir. Do let me know if that is okay with you.   

 

Are you crazy. Didn't I write earlier that this site is monitored by the Chinese. Keffer you are one dumb brown. Look at the history of Kashmir. The Pakis already gave a gift of Kashmir land to China. As I said before there is a secret agreement in place for Pakistan to give a large piece of Indian Kashmir to China when that land goes to Pakistan. They are doing it to ensure peace between Pakistan and the Chinese people.

Stop saying 'as I said before' you idiot; you did not say anything like this before ! How will Pakistan ever be in a position to 'give a large piece of Indian Kashmir to China' ? Are they going to enter India during the night while the Indians are sleeping, put the land in their truck and then drive it over to China? Prashad, I have never encountered a bigger idiot than you; I presume you are a grown man so stop reading fairy tales ! 

That is exactly what Musharraf did as Head of the Pakistan Armed Forces in the Kargil incident.  He entered Indian territory illegally and went to a Pakistan Army camp that had entered illegally into Indian Kashmir two days earlier. He then proceeded to spend the day in the Camp eating roti/dal, drinking warm tea and enjoying himself listening to music with the Pakistani soldiers and slept soundly on a sleeping bed in a tent on Indian Kashmir territory for the night before flying back next day to Pakistan.  

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