translating Shyteaan/ROARspeak:

'David Granger a potential Idi Amin . . . hold yuh nose and mek sure u vote PPP for abee "dominance" and the status quo'

There is a great political theorist John Mearsheimer who wrote a book called "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy" about the same subject and got tarred and feathered by many for "anti-Semitism."

That you can twist my words and beat them into this extraordinary narrative is amazing chap.

At least try and accurately quote me instead of cherry picking words and smashing them together with your own for brand new sentences I never uttered.

I am fully acquainted with the full body of Mearsheimer's work . . . i know he is not a liar or a tribal fraud

what's your point again?

i provided the link for context when i quoted you (accurately!)

playing the victim does not fit u well mein herr

The language is inflated and the parallels are not the same. Indians and blacks are indeed at each other throat and instead of seeing the coming of the APNU-AFC as suffocating Indian hegmony; we should ask what is it we have now with unrepentant racists in office whose every expression of administration is corrupt rent seeking and appropriation of the states assets into their own pockets.

The idea of seeing only the potential for black dominance while we exist in a dictatorship of corrupt Indian  autocrats is your mangy dogs vs my mangy dog politics. We have to reassess. It is not a healthy place and and not something I or anyone should tolerate as healthy or rational decision. Since it is neither it is a path to much pain for us if we do not change it now that we have a chance.

If one takes this logically we are assured the PPP will continue as they have done for 23 years, exclude black people, dominate all agencies of wealth formation and just increase the sense of marginalization and  anger on among, blacks, mixed and amerindians. This PPP is calcified in its present corrupt rule. They represent stasis.

The APNU+AFC are the only ones insisting the status quo is diseased and change is necessary. They even articulated where that change would begin. We would have a constitution commission empaneled to change the dictatorial clauses and possibly revamp if not most discard most of it for a devolved representative system. That will not come with the PPP in office.

The coalition also insist the will set a date for local elections not held in 20 years! within the first 100 days. Then there is the matter of our principal source of our present economic discontent, the instituting of a civic commission do over see the letting of contracts and the procurement commission.

And these are just a start. It alone tells us that we can have hope for change in basic ground rules that keep us at each others throats. Further, the idea that we will return to the past is also not deductively or inductively sound.  The deductive argument does not exist and if one looks inductively one has to look at the particulars from which we make the inductive leap.

We are no longer in a cold war setting, we are not a new nation, we are not a people unsure of what is democracy and we are more connected to democratic precepts than ever because one half of us reside abroad in democracies and can grasp the benefits of democracy. There is only one pathway for a dictatorship to emerge; the present one that has us in an Indian based autocracy with with clear intent to fight tooth and nail to maintain it. The PPP is no longer a viable government for us as it presently exists. The idea of a past repeating itself is not the PNC bugaboo but theirs. They will repeat their crookedness as sure as night follows day. We cannot say the same for the APNU...at least not logically

Against my better judgment but let's try and see here.

What precisely did I lie about? What constitutes this tribal fraud you speak of?

I make no bones about the fact that I am pro-Indian. Quite proud to wear that label. That is a fact which I don't feel the need to hide. It means I advocate the interests of Indians within the State in concert with the interests of non-Indians. I find no difference whatsoever between my approach and that of David Hinds.

Just as important, my pro-Indian stance does NOT mean I advocate for the domination of Indians in Guyana. I advocate a modern secular democratic state with the rule of law as the cornerstone of said state.

Also, I don't advocate unilateral surrender of the only center of State power Indians control without some conditions and guarantees that this and the other centers of State power won't be turned on us AGAIN.

And no, some coolie Marxists who don't even understand the Indian position in Guyana sitting in a PNC Cabinet presided over by a PNC President guarantees Indians nothing.

And talking to people like you and Caribj makes me less confident that unilateral disarmament is the way to go. And I'm a realist, I don't give a damn about some inter-party agreement at the Georgetown Club.

with your "unilateral disarmament" this and "unilateral surrender" that, u have the balls to ask why i nail you as a mendacious tribal fraud!

lissen up "chap" . . . if "talking to people like [me]" [not sure what this has to do with your new dance partner Caribj] hastens the day of your reunion with Ravi Dev in the bosom of Jagdeo's PPP, i will consider my small contribution to the cleanliness and transparency of the 2015 debate as worth the aggravation

How is this black dominance?  Is it that one has a choice of Indian dominance, or Indian percieved exclusion?   Isnt a system of checks abd balances and emphasis on ethnic INCLUSION, not in the best interests of Guyana? 

Don't grass roots Indians survive better in a society where they can cease fearing to become the scape goat every time segments of the African population express frustration about their situation within an environment dominated by Indian elites?

Will it not be easier to reduce the abuses which occur daily, if Indian, African, mixed and Amerindians form cross ethnic alliances to reduce the exploitation that they suffer, both from their own dominant fellow ethnic elites, and from the increasing income inequality which typifies Guyana?

Granger and Nagamootoo agreed on specific roles which each would play.  If Granger reneges and denies Nagamootoo his agreed upon roles and refuses to negotiate the decisions made as a result of this in good faith, AFC walks and APNU goes back into opposition and "ahbe pan tap, black man time DONE" will be back again.

Even though AFC supporters become insulted at this, the AFC has evolved into the alternate party for Indians to support.  It cannot openly campaign to win African support, and Africans will have no incentive to shift their support to it from APNU, given that both operate within the same coalition.

So this coalition institutionalizes a system where by the AFC and APNU check each other, and give assurance that the likelihood of ethnic domination, at least in governance, will end.

So the survival of the AFC is tied to ensuring that the interests of GRASS ROOTS Indians are taken care of.  Obviously the Indian elites will manage as well as they did during the Hoyte era.

So quit your paranoia.  You are making redux look like a fountain of knowledge. 

The direction that Guyana is taking is one which will be multi ethnic.  Not only is the Indian population shrinking, and there is increased miscegenation involving combinations of all 6 races, but the more "mixed" Africans seem to be also re classifying themselves as "mixed" and therefore adopting greater flexibiility to other groups.

So stuck in the mud that you are, and enraged with all who dont 100% agree with you that you make an enemy of some one who is indeed an ally.

FACT. We both unequivocally desire the end of the PPP.

FACT.  While I had my misgivings about the coalition, it is what it is and those Guyanese who wish to see the end of the PPP will have to work with it.

FACT.  Accepting the coalition does NOT mean agreeing to every thing that it does, and in fact thois top down style of leadership in Guyana, typified by Janet Jagan, Forbes Burnham and Bharat Jagdeo, where people who do not agree 100% are attacked and made into the enemy, is what has destroyed Guyana.  There will be no healthy society unless there is healthy debate. If I accept every thing that APNU AFC leadership do, even when I disagree then this is the start of a dictatorship.

You will have a tough time if you attack the 20% fence sitters and cynics pushing them off either to vote PPP, or not to vote, because rest assured the PPP will get their 48%. Because you cannot defeat the PPP if you have only 42% of the votes, with the rest disgusted with being attacked merely because they arent party yes men.

Shaitaan as of now Indian grass roots people dominate NOTHING.  Guyana is run by a small cabal of ultra wealthy Indians, with the remnants of the old Portuguese, and mulatto communities.  Upper middle class Indians and a few similar Africans can drink soup and eke out an uncertain life.

EVERY ONE else is ignored. How is the PPP helping the rice farmers?

If APNU AFC were smart they would be spraying on every corner what they will do to help rice farmers, and other excluded groups like the youth, and Linden, and the Amerindians. 

They would assemble a huge group of rice farmers to annnounce these plans. This will scare the PPP into babbling irrational rants, like calling the AFC anti Indian when its key target group are Indians.

I concur. There is no need to make the case to me that the PPP should and must go.

The problem here is what to replace them with. I've still yet to see a detailed plan for how this authoritarian state is to be dismantled, what new Constitution will be proposed, or what policies will be pursued. All I hear are a nonsensical babble of buzz words like "jobs" "growth" "transparency" and "constitutional reform" etc. etc.

This "Accord" only really covers the allocation of positions. Who de rass cares about that?

This "Accord" would have meant something if it even attempted to address any of the litany of Indian problems/concerns. Many of these are national problems/concerns.

This "Accord" only concerns the Coalition elite and their hangers on as it addresses their concerns....the division of the spoils. It even addresses Black concerns....the end of PPP rule and the installation of the Black nationalist party in power.It don't mean shyte to the ordinary Indian person. Nagamootoo ain't as popular among Indians as you all seem to think. I'd venture to guess he is not individually responsible for any significant number of Indian votes for the AFC in 2011. I think those Indian anti-PPP protest votes would have gone AFC regardless.

i can almost see the froth at the corners of your mouth when u call me "enraged"

lol

hope you land somewhere nice in your search for relevance

You do have a curious concept of what FACT means. FACT is not a word to be tossed around lightly.

OK so Indian grass roots people can be screwed over provided that its a 100% Indian elite dominant regime doing so.  What is your average Indian getting out of the PPP, aside from the psychic thrill of "ahbe pan tap", which I suspect is getting old now.

The PPP has been in power for almost 23 years. APNU will not have the strength to unilaterally attempt to dominate Guyana, so your fear of African domination merely reflects your fear of the African.  Some notion of being too weak to resist domination.

Because there is NOTHING that will suggest that Africans will ever be as dominant in Guyana as they were in the 70s.  State ownership is a no go.  There isn't an African business elite which is strong enough to displace the Indian business elites.

FACT.  A divided political environment provides more room for grass roots people of all ethnic groups to demand their inclusion than does an environment when an ethnic elite is BOTH politically and economically dominant.

In life there is always risk, but what we know for a fact is that the PPP has GOT TO GO, and APNU AFC have to see to it that this happens!

So what FACTS do you have to have to suggest that I am wrong?  None it appears.  Listen TK you are way to visible to descend to the level of a moron where you make one line comments and display an inability to defend your case.

And which FACTs do you have a problem with? 

That the PPP has got to go? 

That the coalition is a fact of life and so those who want to see the PPP go have to accept this reality? 

OR the fact that Guyana's neo colonial leadership style of top down rule, with all forced to adhere to the belief systems of the maximum ruler, has had deeply negative impacts?

You are the one who attaches tremendous importance to yourself and who engages in nonsensical personal attacks instead of addressing the more important issue.  And that is what APNU AFC must do to get rid of the PPP,

You see its you who get angry when others don't bow down to your dogmatic rule of the world, where you make enemies of people who should be your allies.  This simply because they don't revere you the way that Guyanese stupidly revered Forbes Burnham and Janet Jagan, much to their demise I will add.

I don't care to be relevant.  I have ideas, opinions and analyzes, which people can accept or reject as they wish.  But they need to note that I forecasted that the PPP would get 49% and the AFC would get no more than 15%, even with the PPP and AFC freaks screaming at me that I was a PNC terrorist. 

Here is the deal redux. We know that 45% will vote race and so support the PPP. We know another 40% will vote race and support the PNC.  What we don't know is what the remaining 15% will do, and the party which mobilizes these people will be the one which wins the election.

Now you can jump up and down and engage in your usual deranged personal attacks on people who will not have ANY influence on what Guyanese decide to do, but these are the FACTS!