Pakistan plane with 47 on board crashes near Abbottabad

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On another note...do they celebrate Christmas in Pakistan?

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Islam have been practiced in Pakistan since 1947; why is that a miracle ? Have you ever been to Pakistan ? 

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

RiffRaff posted:

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On another note...do they celebrate Christmas in Pakistan?

Yes, they do --- similar to the other Muslim-dominant countries.

If my memory serves me well - I think Osama Bin Laden was captured in Abbottabad, Pakistan (his hideout). May the Souls of the departed rest in peace.

Sad, indeed. May their souls rest in peace.

BTW , who is the Pakistani Brad Pitt that was reported  on board the doomed flight? 

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

The Leaders of Pakistan and many socalled Religious Leaders preach HATE of other Religion and if you dont know this is speaks of the depth of your STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru posted:

The Leaders of Pakistan and many socalled Religious Leaders preach HATE of other Religion and if you dont know this is speaks of the depth of your STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why don't you name those 'Leaders of Pakistan and many socalled Religious Leaders' ? Oh, and while you are at it, do not forget to provide the texts of their statements ..... we're waiting ! 

....and while you're at it, please remember to share the 'pearls of wisdom' uttered by the people I named ?  

Do you have a clue who plan, direct, finance and coordinate the Mumbai attack? I guess being deaf, blind AND STUPID is indeed a handicap!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru posted:

Do you have a clue who plan, direct, finance and coordinate the Mumbai attack? I guess being deaf, blind AND STUPID is indeed a handicap!!!!!!!!!!

You specifically stated that 'Leaders of Pakistan and many socalled Religious Leaders preach hate', did you not ? Where is your reference or supporting quotation to support this ? You have absolutely no idea who I am and what I do but in your absolute wisdom, you assert that I am 'deaf, blind AND STUPID'. Maybe I am, so given that you are the one with wisdom, why don't you provide names, quotes and dates ?

HAHAHA Well, like I expected you are ignorant of basic FACTS!!!!

Keffer posted:

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

Those Temples and Churches were there before Pakistan was created and many are used as Muslim Mosque.In Toronto , a Chinese cook shop that sold BBQ pork is now used as a Mosque.

Nehru posted:

HAHAHA Well, like I expected you are ignorant of basic FACTS!!!!

Given that you are so knowledgeable and up-to-date with the 'basic facts', why don't you provide the information ? I asked you to provide the references/quotes but evidently you cannot and one therefore has to conclude that you are full of wind.... go play with yourself !

kp posted:

Keffer posted:

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

Those Temples and Churches were there before Pakistan was created and many are used as Muslim Mosque.In Toronto , a Chinese cook shop that sold BBQ pork is now used as a Mosque.

Muslims do indeed make up the overwhelming majority of the Pakistan population. However, to state that no temples or churches were built since 1947 is just ludicrous. I saw many churches, gurdwaras and temples across Pakistan. There must be Pakistanis working or living close to you; check with them. To suggest that temples and churches are being used as mosques is plain and simple a total fabrication and your statement exposes your dishonesty because Muslims conduct their prayers facing ONE direction; this is irrelevant to Hindus and Christians and their houses of worship would not necessarily have been direction-appropriate. Muslims are prohibited from eating pork so what has that got to do with their worship.  

Cobra posted:

Sad, indeed. May their souls rest in peace.

BTW , who is the Pakistani Brad Pitt that was reported  on board the doomed flight.

Keffer posted:

kp posted:

Keffer posted:

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

Those Temples and Churches were there before Pakistan was created and many are used as Muslim Mosque.In Toronto , a Chinese cook shop that sold BBQ pork is now used as a Mosque.

Muslims do indeed make up the overwhelming majority of the Pakistan population. However, to state that no temples or churches were built since 1947 is just ludicrous. I saw many churches, gurdwaras and temples across Pakistan. There must be Pakistanis working or living close to you; check with them. To suggest that temples and churches are being used as mosques is plain and simple a total fabrication and your statement exposes your dishonesty because Muslims conduct their prayers facing ONE direction; this is irrelevant to Hindus and Christians and their houses of worship would not necessarily have been direction-appropriate. Muslims are prohibited from eating pork so what has that got to do with their worship.  

But they are willing  to worship  in a place that  was serving pork

Nehru posted:

HAHAHA Well, like I expected you are ignorant of basic FACTS!!!!

Given that you are so knowledgeable and up-to-date with the 'basic facts', why don't you provide the information ? I asked you to provide the references/quotes but evidently you cannot and one therefore has to conclude that you are full of wind.... go play with yourself !

kp posted:

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Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

Those Temples and Churches were there before Pakistan was created and many are used as Muslim Mosque.In Toronto , a Chinese cook shop that sold BBQ pork is now used as a Mosque.

Muslims do indeed make up the overwhelming majority of the Pakistan population. However, to state that no temples or churches were built since 1947 is just ludicrous. I saw many churches, gurdwaras and temples across Pakistan. There must be Pakistanis working or living close to you; check with them. To suggest that temples and churches are being used as mosques is plain and simple a total fabrication and your statement exposes your dishonesty because Muslims conduct their prayers facing ONE direction; this is irrelevant to Hindus and Christians and their houses of worship would not necessarily have been direction-appropriate. Muslims are prohibited from eating pork so what has that got to do with their worship.  

But they are willing  to worship  in a place that  was serving pork

English comprehension is clearly difficult for you; the prohibition is EATING pork .... samjhay ?

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Christianity, Hinduism, Sikhism and Islam have been practiced in Pakistan since 1947; why is that a miracle ? Have you ever been to Pakistan ? 

Yes he did, he went to their restaurant . 

Keffer posted:

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

Nehru soils his underwear everyone he hear the word Muslim.

Well done Keffer.

Hopefully Nehru can present the proof to back up his statement.

kp posted:

Keffer posted:

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Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Yes Sir, by some miracle practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan.

Have you ever followed the language/rhetoric of people like Narendra Modi, Bal Thakre, Ram Madhav etc ? Do you know about the existence and activities of organizations like Shiv Sena and Durga Vahini ?

If you were to spend extended periods of time as I have, doing my work, in countries like Pakistan, folks like you (who insist on holding on to false notions, trumped-up stories & prejudice) will undoubtedly soil your underwear the minute you arrive there. Your suggestion that it is 'some miracle that practicing Christians are alive in Pakistan' is pure trash ! I have personally seen many Hindu temples, Sikh gurdwaras and churches across that country. I have no doubt that Pakistan has its share of intolerant ignoramuses but I am quite certain they are nothing but quite a small minority.

Those Temples and Churches were there before Pakistan was created and many are used as Muslim Mosque.In Toronto , a Chinese cook shop that sold BBQ pork is now used as a Mosque.

Muslims do indeed make up the overwhelming majority of the Pakistan population. However, to state that no temples or churches were built since 1947 is just ludicrous. I saw many churches, gurdwaras and temples across Pakistan. There must be Pakistanis working or living close to you; check with them. To suggest that temples and churches are being used as mosques is plain and simple a total fabrication and your statement exposes your dishonesty because Muslims conduct their prayers facing ONE direction; this is irrelevant to Hindus and Christians and their houses of worship would not necessarily have been direction-appropriate. Muslims are prohibited from eating pork so what has that got to do with their worship.  

But they are willing  to worship  in a place that  was serving pork

Dumb Ass, let me try one more time .... the prohibition is EATING pork. Eating has nothing whatsoever to do with the place in which one prays ! Is that so complex for you to understand ? As an analogy, Hindus do not eat beef but they rear cattle; do you see a contradiction in that ?

For you to address me as "Dumb Ass", you just lost the ability,lack of knowledge to have a conversation with an educated audience. People like you  gives Muslims a BAD NAME , I am sure you did not born that way, maybe you don't eat pork but you smell.

KP, please accept my sincere apology for venting at you. I am certain you know that much of what is written in the discussions is based on individual impressions and conjecture and it is often frustrating to deal with some who post comments that are filled with conjecture, bias and prejudice; as was the case last night. I am truly so sorry for what I said to you.  

Non Muslims in many parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh are treated like Non Humans. Many Imams and socalled Leaders preach the hate that condone such practices. Even in India Kashmir some Hindus are treated as non humans!!!!!!!!

Keffer posted:

KP, please accept my sincere apology for venting at you. I am certain you know that much of what is written in the discussions is based on individual impressions and conjecture and it is often frustrating to deal with some who post comments that are filled with conjecture, bias and prejudice; as was the case last night. I am truly so sorry for what I said to you.  

Kudos to you Keffer,that's is how big men should behave.

Nehru posted:

Non Muslims in many parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh are treated like Non Humans. Many Imams and socalled Leaders preach the hate that condone such practices. Even in India Kashmir some Hindus are treated as non humans!!!!!!!!

You have evidently never been to any of these countries so you have no idea what you are talking about. For the second time ....please provide evidence to support the statement you made above. I have been to each of these countries many times and I can tell you without any reservation or hesitation whatsoever that what you posted above is sheer nonsense.

Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs are minorities in Pakistan.  A few like Anil Dalpat have made the Pakistani test team.  This does not mean that all is well with minorities in Pakistan.  Pakistan has been an unstable nation since inception.  Its people have endured military rule for decades since partition.  The Mujahudeen or Jihadists fighting Soviet occupation of Afghanistan were headquartered in Pakistan.  Pakistani society became much more Islamized during this time.  We know the madrassas in this country have been used and still being used to radicalize young muslims and turning them in monsters who hates those who don't comply with their strict beliefs.  Those whom they dislike includes their own fellow muslims.  

Let's hope the moderates in Pakistan succeed in making this country democratic and free of terrorism. Difficult thing to achieve but the West must work hard in neutralizing this country. Islamic fundamentalism is dangerous to the world

Keffer posted:

KP, please accept my sincere apology for venting at you. I am certain you know that much of what is written in the discussions is based on individual impressions and conjecture and it is often frustrating to deal with some who post comments that are filled with conjecture, bias and prejudice; as was the case last night. I am truly so sorry for what I said to you.  

Nice of you Keffer.

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Non Muslims in many parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh are treated like Non Humans. Many Imams and socalled Leaders preach the hate that condone such practices. Even in India Kashmir some Hindus are treated as non humans!!!!!!!!

You have evidently never been to any of these countries so you have no idea what you are talking about. For the second time ....please provide evidence to support the statement you made above. I have been to each of these countries many times and I can tell you without any reservation or hesitation whatsoever that what you posted above is sheer nonsense.

Nehru,

Once again kindly provide proof for all the allegations you are making .

Keffer posted:

KP, please accept my sincere apology for venting at you. I am certain you know that much of what is written in the discussions is based on individual impressions and conjecture and it is often frustrating to deal with some who post comments that are filled with conjecture, bias and prejudice; as was the case last night. I am truly so sorry for what I said to you.  

Kudos to you brother. It takes a man to do this. I do respect you for being a man and accept your mistake. Peace bro.

Chief posted:

Keffer posted:

Nehru posted:

Non Muslims in many parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh are treated like Non Humans. Many Imams and socalled Leaders preach the hate that condone such practices. Even in India Kashmir some Hindus are treated as non humans!!!!!!!!

You have evidently never been to any of these countries so you have no idea what you are talking about. For the second time ....please provide evidence to support the statement you made above. I have been to each of these countries many times and I can tell you without any reservation or hesitation whatsoever that what you posted above is sheer nonsense.

Nehru,

Once again kindly provide proof for all the allegations you are making .

Chief, staan quiet. Nehru guh pack some lash pun you rass . I see the man challenging Riff to do a cyber dance competition.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Hindus, Christians, and Sikhs are minorities in Pakistan.  A few like Anil Dalpat have made the Pakistani test team.  This does not mean that all is well with minorities in Pakistan.  Pakistan has been an unstable nation since inception.  Its people have endured military rule for decades since partition.  The Mujahudeen or Jihadists fighting Soviet occupation of Afghanistan were headquartered in Pakistan.  Pakistani society became much more Islamized during this time.  We know the madrassas in this country have been used and still being used to radicalize young muslims and turning them in monsters who hates those who don't comply with their strict beliefs.  Those whom they dislike includes their own fellow muslims.  

Let's hope the moderates in Pakistan succeed in making this country democratic and free of terrorism. Difficult thing to achieve but the West must work hard in neutralizing this country. Islamic fundamentalism is dangerous to the world

Brother, minorities are disadvantaged, to varying degrees, everywhere in this world... including America, Canada, Australia, Europe, etc ! I do not believe this is news to any sane or rational individual. I am reluctant to refer to this as a human phenomenon despite the fact that such situations exist in every corner of our small world. I have so far been to India 11 times and I visited every state in that country, spending several weeks in some places as my work required. I have seen a wide range of peoples, cultures, lifestyles, practices, values etc. I will say, however, for anyone to single out a specific nation, as some are clearly attempting to do with Pakistan in this case, is nothing short of ignorance, prejudice and bigotry. As a percentage of its total population, Pakistan is indeed overwhelmingly muslim; just as India is hindu. If you think the caste system as we knew it in Guyana was bad, you had better not go to India ! Can one say that all is well with minorities in India ? Based on my observations and experiences in India my answer is emphatically NO !

I have no idea how one measures the 'stability' of a nation; that is an entirely subjective issue/question and I do not believe anyone can properly and authoritatively answer that. I make no claim to being any kind of expert on the sub-continent but I will say that anyone who classifies Pakistan as unstable is talking sheer nonsense ! I have also been to Pakistan, as frequently as I have to India, and can tell you that the people rely heavily on the army in several ways; none of which relate to military operations. The Pakistan army is very heavily involved in a wide range of civilian projects and this is evident throughout the year in several parts of the country. During my last trip to Pakistan a few months ago I saw soldiers working with civilians on the construction of a new hydro-electric dam in KPK which will provide power to a wide area in the northern part of the country.  I seriously wish the Guyana government would follow suit instead of feeding and sheltering hordes of 'good-for-nothings' year after year without any recompense to the taxpayers. By the way Billy, Anil Dalpat is not the only Hindu to play test cricket for Pakistan; there were several others and you may wish to research this. One must also keep in mind that Hindus make up only a relatively small percentage of Pakistan's population. Should one similarly ask, how many players of South Asian ethnicity played for Australia, South Africa or the West Indies for that matter ?   

Billy, with respect to Afghanistan, I have been there a number of times too; I think 6 or 7, but for sure not as often as I visited India and Pakistan. I urge you, and others, to do more research and speak to 'real life' Afghans before forming opinions and making pronouncements because we all look like fools when we come face-to-face with facts and the reality. The Afghan anti-Soviet campaign was NEVER headquartered in Pakistan ! Tell whoever told you this that he/she is full of 'you know what' ! The 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan resulted in more than 500,000 Afghans from the Jalalabad area crossing the border into Peshawar which is the northern part of Pakistan. Despite its limited resources that it had at that time, Pakistan moved very quite quickly to stop further migration of Afgans but that was very difficult for the simple reason that the border is porous; owing to the nature of the terrain. One just cannot build fences over the mountains and valleys there ! Please note also that, for humanitarian reasons, Pakistan had no option. Should they have placed these 500,000 Afghans (which included old people, women and children) in trucks and transported them back to Jalalabad to single-handedly deal with the Soviet war machine which was bombing everything in sight ? Sir, that would have been tantamount to 'taking lambs to the slaughter' ! I have had several conversations with senior Pakistani officials in the Peshawar region and I am convinced that, apart from leaving 500,000 men, women and children to die, there was no other option. I have been to Akora Khattak many times and, with the assistance of Pashto-speaking Pakistanis, heard numerous accounts from (now) old men and women of what happened in 1979. By the way, the word is mujahideen (pls note spelling) and it refers to one who engages in physical combat. The translation of Jihad is struggle and in present-day Arabic usually describe one's personal, inner struggle. 

With present-day communication means, the western media has been quick to distort every scenario to suit their causes. I have no idea who coined words like 'Islamized' or what it is intended to construe but it has evidently been done with ill intent. Islam is the religion of Muslims so  there is technically and practically nothing wrong with me being 'Islamized'. In fact, I am happy to have been Islamized ! Have you ever asked yourself why 'Christianized' was not attached to Jim Jones and the Peoples' Temple in Guyana or any of the tele-evangelists who parade on TV all day long and then go out at night looking for prostitutes ... the same folks who walk away with millions of $$ that belong to their congregation ? Why are we so strangely silent about these occurrences ?

 Anyway my friend, the Urdu word madrassa (paatshaala in Hindi) means school, nothing more, nothing less ...but it somehow conjures up all sorts of negative visions and we know exactly why, don't we ! In my opinion, the call for a complete cessation of what we know as terrorism is fully justified, however, it seems to me that certain people have 'carte-blanche' to do as they please by brutalizing, maiming and killing others (who are less endowed with weaponry) so that they can rob them of their lands and property. From perspectives of truth and equity, why are we so strangely silent about this ? Why have we not been bold enough to take the moral high road ?