Rev

* If you choose to post on this thread, I would expect you to demonstrate a modicum of respect and intelligence.

* No need to embarrass yourself by being mindless and moronic.

* The Rev will not respond to idiotic comments.

* THE REV IS A MAN OF HIGHER STANDARDS.

Rev

HAUL YUH PERVERTED RASS.

YOU ARE A CUFFY-HATING RACIST. PERIOD.

sowell is a disgusting wish he was white black man . Black people are allergic to  him.

TRUST USUALLY DIES BUT MISTRUST HAS A WAY OF BLOSSOMING

* And that's what we are seeing in Guyana.

* TRUST IN THE PNC HAS DIED.

* But the mistrust of the PNC continues to blossom.

* And that explains the apprehension, the fear, the foreboding, and the misgiving the good people of Guyana have for the PNC.

* 40.8% of Guyanese voted for the PNC in 2011.

It is not even worthy of comment. Just a waste of time from one trying to rationalize what every one knows has been a persisting disease.

* Just like you cannot love someone you mistrust.

* You cannot support a political party you mistrust.

* The 79% East Indians who did not vote for the PNC/AFC in the 2011 election---they simply mistrusted the PNC---there was no racism.

* The 79% East Indians voted for a party(the PPP) they had faith and confidence in---how on God's earth could that be racism ?

Rev

Gilbakka:

Rev

Danyael:

* Is that the best you have to offer ?

* THE TRUTH IS RACISM IS NOT BLATANT OR WIDESPREAD IN GUYANA.

* But MISTRUST of the PNC IS.

Rev

You're living on a la-la cloud, Rev.

You say mistrust of the PNC is blatant and widespread in Guyana. This is a half-truth and, according to the late Cheddi Jagan, a half-truth is more dangerous than a lie.

What is the other half of the truth?

In 2011, 51 percent of voters not only mistrusted your corrupt PPP but rejected it outright.

Speak the whole truth, not your half of the truth.

We need to have an open, frank and honest discussion here. Suriname is faced with the same issue of mistrust. Is that Racism ?

It is a known fact that there is mistrust between Indo and Afro Guyanese. 

This mistrust is based on historical experiences. We must have an honest, frank and open discussion to really understand what both sides feel before we start hollering racism.

Mistrust will not go away until we have a serious discussion on this matter. South Africa was able to deal with this issue and the nation gained by doing so. 

Many Indo Guyanese kept their culture, religion (Hinduism and Islam) and family values intact while still integrating with mainstream society.

Afro Guyanese abandoned their religion and adopted Christianity. 

Is is racist to maintain your religion and culture ?

Indo Guyanese kept their names Ram and Rahim intact. Afro Guyanese chose to adopt Christian names. Is that racism ?

Indo Guyanese resisted attempts to strip them of their cultural identity and religion since they could not obtain jobs during colonial times because they had to be Christians to get civil servants jobs.

Is it racism to keep your religion Hinduism and Islam in tact ?

Get my point ?

Unless we are willing to have an open and frank discussion we will never in one hundred years resolve this problem of mistrust and the envy towards those who remained Ram and Rahim and kept Hinduism and Islam in tact.

PNC did their best to strip, rape and demoralized Indo Guyanese in their 28 years of illegal rule. Indo Guyanese are still reminded of those horrible acts hence the mistrust of the PNC. 

Is that racism ?

Let us start the discussion now.

PPPC hate speech in Guyana Chronicle Editorial should be rejected by all citizens – commentary by Brutal Facts

Mits,

Why are you so silent regarding Nigel ?

Chairman of the AFC and Attorney – at – Law, Nigel Hughes

[www.inewsguyana.com] – The governing People’s Progressive Party (PPP) is calling for the resignation of Chairman of the minority opposition party _ the Alliance For Change (AFC) – Nigel Hughes, following the recent disclosure relating to the land being occupied by Mae’s Secondary School.

In a statement issued to the press on Sunday, February 9, the PPP said,“These allegations must not be taken lightly, and are to say the least, troubling and worrying to the public at large. The PPP is also appalled by the deafening silence of the Executive of the Alliance for Change on the continuous reports that its Chairman is involved in various forms of fraudulent activities, misconduct and improprieties.”

According to the PPP, “It is shameful, but telling that the AFC which preaches about good governance and accountability is failing miserably to reign in Hughes despite the scandals in which he is finding himself. The fact that these allegations continue to be made is cause for concern about the integrity of the Attorney at Law and his ethical standards, not only in the political realm, but when doing business.

“Apart from the allegations that he sold a property to a popular city school despite taking out a mortgage which he failed to pay, and the ongoing litigation on the matter, Hughes was involved in several other scandals.”

The Party recalled theallegations of conflict of interest when it was revealed that Hughes and his wife Cathy were in the employ of Sithe Global, the company which developed the Amaila Falls Hydro Project which the AFC rejected.

 

General Secretary of the PPP, Clement Rohee. [iNews' Photo]

“Hughes was also embroiled in another controversy surrounding his deliberate failure to disclose his relationship with the jury foreman in the Lusignan massacre trial whilst representing one of the accused.”

 

The PPP noted that they are aware of Hughes links to criminal elements and the underground.

“The party is aware of his links to prominent drug lords and criminals of this ilk and his bare faced representation of their interests in the courts when litigation is brought against them. The party recalls his involvement in the removal of footage from the gas station where a citizen was gunned down at Buxton.”

Hughes is currently engaged in a court battle in which the owner of Mae’s School, Mayfield French is alleging that he sold her a property despite taking out a mortgage which he failed to repay. Some 300 students are at risk as a result of the court battle

It is baffling that a party that preaches accountability, honesty and transparency still has Nigel as Chairman. Looks like the Executive committee of the AFC is afraid to bell the cat.

Either you have a poor understanding of slavery in Guyana or you are deliberately falsifying history.

Indian indentured workers were paid workers, they were not slaves working for free. In many respects, they had freedom of worship.

African slaves were legally the property of their white masters.

The white slave owners wrote off the original names of their slaves and gave them Christian names, imposing their own names on the slaves. For example, Gordon Amsterdam was owned by planter Amsterdam.

Simultaneously, the Dutch Lutheran Church and later the Anglican Church forced slaves to become Christians on orders from slave owners.

The slaves had no choice, no freedom of worship.

You are right to point out that East Indians generally clung to their original religions and cultures. You are wrong to misrepresent Africans.

My question to you is do you want to address concerns that Afro Guyanese have in terms of how they perceive that they have been treated by Indian elites.

There has been sufficient analysis of the root causes of Indian mistrust and this has been acknowledged by many blacks.  David Hinds, Eusi Kwyana, Walter Rodney, Andaiye, and even Raphael Trotman, who left the PNC when certain elements in there refuses to accept responsibility for their role in Guyana's ethnic quagmire.

Aside from marginal people like Freddie Kissoon, and a few others I don't see the same degree of acknowledgement from Indians.  I am eager to hear more of this, and what they propose should be done about it.  In 2014 AfroGuyanese have become toothless.  The GDF and the police force are now poodles of the PPP, so the concerns that Indians have has been addressed. 

There is the problem of crime, which impacts ALL Guyanese, not just Indians.  The PPP refuses to deal with this issue, preferring to rely on extra judicial mercenaries, instead of an efficient, effective, and competent police force and judiciary.

Point taken.

What prevented Afro Guyanese from restarting their own and original methods of worship from their forefathers in Africa after the abolition of slavery ?

What prevented them from changing their names to their original names after the abolition of slavery ?

Let us keep the discussion civil.

yuji:

* Excellent post from you as usual above.

* You and the Rev are on the same wavelength.

* By the way, you can forget about having any discussion on this forum.

* Listen! The only people who bawl and scream about racism in Guyana are the East Indians who support the PNC/AFC----many of the the 21% Indians who voted for the PNC/AFC love to label the 79% who voted for the PPP as racists.

* The TRUTH is there is no widespread racism in Guyana. What you have is MISTRUST of the PNC.

Rev

I see the Rev and Yugi avoiding this article.

Rev: Some of my best friends are Afro Guyanese. I am not a racist; I hate everyone regardless of race(even Indo Guyanese). I call a spade a spade.

EAST INDIANS SUPPORTING THE PNC/AFC LOVE TO THROW THE WORD "RACIST" AROUND

* The TRUTH is there is no widespread RACISM in Guyana.

*THERE IS MISTRUST.

* But many of the 21% East Indians supporting the PNC/AFC love to bawl and shout RACISM.

Rev

Skelly:

* The relationship between blacks and East Indians in Guyana today is very good.

* MISTRUST DEVELOPED AFTER THE DISTURBANCE IN THE 60s.

* But the 2 major races get along very well today.

* It's only around election time you have some tension.

REGARDING RACISM

* It's only the East Indians supporting the PNC/AFC who label East Indians supporting the PPP racists.

* In the past the Rev had a name for those East Indians----but I have decided to tone things down.

BOTTOM LINE:

THERE IS NO WIDESPREAD RACISM IN GUYANA. BUT MISTRUST FOR THE PNC CONTINUES TO BLOSSOM.

Rev

Rev, you can see that uneasy calm when the negroes and Indians are together. You are right. Election time brings out the worst of the 2 races. I lived through the elections of the 60s and have seen the violence. I have seen busted skulls and broken limbs.

Author’s second book targets racism in Guyana

“The peoples of Guyana sit on top of a known, restless, threatening volcano. It is called RACE. There is no way to sugarcoat, ignore, or dismiss this prowling, mindless monster in the midst… This nation has endured its share of the occasional racial eruption, the rush of consuming lava, the sweep of threatening peril; but these have been explosions in miniature, and only a precursor of greater dangers currently harnessed, and still ahead. Still, the burns and scars and memories are painful to the flesh, and irremovably embedded.” Gabriel H. K. Lall, exposes the dangerous manifestations of racism in all its parts in his second publication titled, Sitting on a Racial Volcano (Guyana Uncensored).

Gabriel H. K. Lall hoists a copy of Sitting on a Racial Volcano (Guyana Uncensored)

His first publication, Guyana: A National Cesspool of Greed, Duplicity & Corruption (A Remigrant’s Story) had been unashamedly truthful about the deep-rooted issue of corruption in Guyana from prominent institutions. This one is no different. The publication, which was launched at a simple gathering at Marian Academy on Friday last, introduces the subject of race and its repercussions on modern day Guyana. Speaker of the National Assembly, Raphael Trotman, at the launching stated that “our colonial predecessors effectively manipulated and used the issue of race and competition and rivalry to divide the Government. However, while we are not guilty of starting this rivalry, we are certainly to be condemned for continuing it”. Lall asks in his book, “Who are we? Where are we? Where are we going? As a society, as a nation, as a people?” According to the author, racism has long since caused people to retreat, to shelter and even to hide rather than to bring the issue to full public view. He described the issue as a volcano, with a future that “threatens” and “endangers”. The unashamedly scrutinising Lall brings to the fore the relationship existing between the two major races in Guyana; the East Indians and the Africans, identified in the book as “Indian” and “Black”, underlining the differences in perceptions between the two groups and mixing the preferences in political factions, primarily on the People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPP/C) and the People’s National Congress Reform (PNC/R). The publication made reference to tragic events in Linden and Agricola as “manifestations of the bubbling, heaving volcano.” Guns were referred to as “the final solution in Guyana”, the determining factor of peace, the only option to equilibrium. Evidently, change is emphasized as “the only way left”, the needed element to eradicate the deeply entrenched root of separation between the people of our nation. More importantly, change must come from the “top”, change that has thus far been involuntary. Essentially, unless the issue of race has been dissolved, progress will be obscured. Lall said that change has to come from those who are willing to tread in new and different paths and to inculcate hope. He urged all to put their heads together and stand up for each other, to take back our society and to look for the common good. The publication is now available for purchase at the Austin’s Book Store. (Tiffanne Ramphal)

Slavery was abolished in 1834 while Guyana was already a full-fledged British colony.

Virtually all schools were run by Christian churches. To become a teacher, ex-slaves had to be Christians.

For about 70 years after slavery, ex-slaves and their children comprised the majority of the population.

In the predominantly Christian-run schools every single child was indoctrinated in Christian and Western values. Up to 1962 when I finished my primary education in a school run by the Church of Scotland, every morning and afternoon I had to join my schoolmates in singing Christian hymns and prayers, or else serious licks with teachers' cane.

To get jobs in the colonial civil service, the police force or even in the private stores in Georgetown well up to 100 years after slavery, applicants had to be Christians, and had to provide recommendations/references from priests and other notables who were Christians.

Again, from 1834 up to the moment when the East Indian population surpassed the African, all the ex-slaves and their children and grandkids were firmly under the sway of British books, newspapers, magazines, missionaries, etc.

Having deserted the sugar estates en masse, and knowing that upward mobility meant being Christians, it was natural and understandable for Africans to put aside their African religions, though many continued to practice a watered-down version clandestinely.

By the time Guyana ceased to be a British colony in 1966, only a handful of Afro-Guyanese had cast off their Christian names. The most noteworthy were Sidney King who became Eusi Kwayana and Dr Walter Greene who became Omawale.

Put your feet in the shoes of Afro-Guianese during the entire 19th century and you will understand why they are overwhelmingly Christians with English names today.

Does the Rev and yuji want a black son-in-law?

* If he is honest, intelligent, decent, respectable, ambitious and accomplished like that black gentleman, then the answer is yes.

Rev

Nothing wrang wid being black bai. I suppose you're white

That guy needs to try this stuff
https://guyana.crowdstack.io/topic/whitelicious

Its a pity that Guyanese don't know our history.  Rent ROOTs and see what happened to Kunta KInte when he refused to allow himself to be called Toby.  There was a very systematic attempt to destroy all vestiges of African culture, because a people who know who they are, can organize and fight off their oppressors.  Indeed its a proven fact that most of those who led the slave rebellions were people born in Africa, and it was the local born slaves, especially the house slaves, who often betrayed these plans. 

So the freedoms that Indians had to maintain their culture was denied to the African, and had you listened when they taught you Caribbean history in school you would have known that.  Very basic.

Slaves were NOT allowed to be Christians because the slave masters were terrified that they would discover the bible and then be able to learn how to read. With this information they would become more cognizant of what the slave owners were up to.

Various small churches began to attempt to gain "market share" during the late days of slavery by attempting to convert Africans from their traditional religions, which they still practiced very discretely.  The planters feared that these church gatherings would spread literacy, would facilitate planning of rebellions, and most importantly would detract from the time that they preferred the slaves to be cutting cane.

Indeed in the Demerara rebellion in the 1820s there is evidence that slaves connected to one of these churches were very involved.  There was therefore aggressive attempts to crush all activities aimed at Christianizing the slaves, on pain of a hanging.

AFTER slavery in order to maintain its status as the Anglican church began to aggressively convert Africans.  They did this by establishing schools, knowing that the slaves wished literacy for their kids as a away to escape the harshness of the cane fields.

The Anglican and other churches thereby facilitated the creation of an African middle class because it allowed the development of a cadre of teachers.  Check the nbackground of any AfroGuyanese who is at least four generations middle class and one will see several teachers.  In addition many civil service jobs were distributed via the Anglican church, so if one wasn't Christian one didn't get those jobs.  You should be aware of that, given the fact that Hindus and Muslims were virtually barred from these jobs until the late 50s.

In any case I fail to see what maintaining a religion is that important, given the tremendous inroads that BOTH Christianity and Islam have made in Africa and among Caribbean Indians.  You do know that Islam is not an Indian religion.  It has common roots with Christianity and Judaism, and so is equally alien.  As of now at least 40% of Guyanese Indians are members of some Judeo/Christian/Muslim religion.

I don't know if you know this, but Christianity isn't a "white man's religion".  Do you know that it reached AFrica AND India before it reached the UK?  Yes Christianity was NOT brought to India by the British or the Portuguese, despite what the Hindu extremists might peddle.

LMAO

Yuji.  I can trace my ancestry via DNA Ancestry to Ghana, Togo, Nigeria and Congo.  I am not sure what ethnic groups within those nations that I belong to.

So tell me which name should I chose?  And how does selecting what will clearly be a make up name change who I am.

You cannot speak fluent Hindi, nor can you write it properly I am sure.  So don't cast stones at me, as you too have made a cultural journey way beyond the lands of your ancestry.

I couldn't help but notice that even the racist Indian woman expressed her disrespect for blacks in a very African way.  She turned her back and bent over, displaying her buttocks.  That is what African women do.  I some how doubt that women in India do that.

Jokes:

* Don't take things personally bai.

* Rev was actually paying you some compliments.

* Those are admirable qualities you have.

* I can see why Ma insisted you choose a good girl as first lady.

* By the way, I see Sunil having some fun at your expense---suggesting you use whitelicious.

* Check out Sunil's avatar---he is the one who thinks he is white.lol

Rev

every southern racist swore that some of his best friends were blacks.  Sorry doesn't change anything.

Just the mere fact that you claim that the only ethnically based issue in Guyana shows what a racist you are.  You don't take the time to understand how AfroGuyanese think, because they don't matter to you.

There is ethnically based tension in Guyana because of mistrust of BOTH the PPP and the PNC.

While Indians and Africans both have friends from either group they don't trust those from the other group who they don't know because they fear ethnic domination by people from the other group.

Understand this and stop trying to fool yourself.  The PPP has FAILED to make any inroads into the African/mixed group.  It is rejected by this group in the same way as African Americans reject the GOP, coincidentally by the same margins.  They consider it to be a racist outfit which has a core goal of undermining the ability of blacks to progress,

Rev