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Remembering the Ballot Box Martyrs…

 

Let us be united and inspired

 

TOMORROW, JULY 16, we will be commemorating the brutal murder of our two exemplary Comrades Bholanauth Parmanand and Jagan Ramessar. These two young men were ruthlessly and brutally gunned down as they were among their villagers who were struggling for free and fair elections in Guyana. 

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Neil Kumar

On that fatal day July 16, 1973, forty-one years ago, Bholanauth Permanand and Jagan Ramessar were shot and killed by a Guyana Defence Force Officer. Guyanese were fully aware of the People’s National Congress’ wicked approach to National Elections, specifically, their heinous intentions to rig the elections. Investigations by the Justice Dhanessar Jhappan Commission of Inquiry revealed the high likelihood of a PPP victory if the Elections were run in a free and fair manner. The Commission cited the massive public meetings held by the People’s Progressive Party and the overwhelming public display of support for Dr. Cheddi Jagan as evidence of this. The PNC, in order to ensure their victory by any means necessary, deployed the security forces, both army and police, to all parts of the country.


In addition to the regular strength at the Police Stations in Berbice, a battalion was deployed from the Guyana Defence Force under Captain Johnson.
Captain Johnson had his headquarters in the Compound of the Central Police Station in New Amsterdam. Captain Johnson’s men were further broken up into smaller groups and a platoon under the command of Lieutenant Henry was sent to the Upper Corentyne on the 7th June, 1973. The section consisted of two Sergeants, three Corporals, five Lance Corporals and nine Privates, that is twenty men in all, including Lieutenant Henry. The platoon pitched camp at No. 51 Backdam and remained there until the 19th June, 1973. From there they went to Plantation Skeldon, remaining there until the 27th June, 1973 when they moved on to No. 63 and bivouacked on the beach. On the 14th June, 1973, they left No. 63 Beach and set up camp in the compound of the No. 51 Police Station. They had with them self-loading rifles, submachine guns, tear smoke grenades and steel helmets.

‘Bholanauth Parmanand and 17-year-old Jagan Ramessar were shot by armed agents of the PNC dictatorship at No. 63 Village, Corentyne during the 1973 Elections while peacefully protesting the illegal removal of the ballot boxes from the place of poll at the end of voting’

Yours truly worked on that polling day in Pouderoyen, and as we were coming out at 5:30 a.m. I recalled seeing GDF soldiers crawling on the roadside with their guns.
A physical manifestation of the PNC’s heinous intention to terrorize the population was unleashed in the form of thugs, police and the Army.
It is not by chance that Private London of the Guyana Defence Force was later known to Guyanese as “Blackie”! He was one of the masterminds among the criminal gangs that terrorized the Guyanese people. “Blackie” was killed in a shootout with the police and the PNC draped his coffin with the National Flag and gave him a PNC farewell funeral.


The 16th of July 1973, with Corporal Collins, Privates Mc Kenzie, Layne and London (Blackie) of the Guyana Defence Force Sergeant Ross and Police Constable Seecharran of the Police Force, Lieutenant Henry took along with him tear smoke grenades, respirators, steel helmets, two submachine guns, rifles and bayonets. He himself was armed with one of the submachine guns. Corporal Collins had the other.
The PNC thugs with all their armed might descended on the Corentyne with the clear intention to take full control of the ballot boxes and remove the representatives of other three political parties from around the ballot boxes.


Bholanauth Parmanand was killed and his dear wife and four children had to endure the death of the breadwinner of their home as their loving husband and father was ripped from them in the most brutal manner possible.
Young Jagan Ramessar was shot and killed and the Army threw him in their vehicle and drove him around as he was kicked and stamped upon. He was paraded to send a message to the people in Berbice.

Approximately five hours later, after his corpse was unspeakably desecrated, he was taken to New Amsterdam Hospital, where he was pronounced dead on arrival. Jagan Ramessar, only eighteen-years-old, was brutally murdered and his parents and other relatives are today still crying.
Parmanand’s immediate family and his comrades, forty-one years later, still vividly recall the unbelievably brutal and monstrous debacle that was the 1973 elections.
My Dear Comrade Rishi Ram Motie and his friends tearfully recounted for me what they witnessed on that day. Motie suffered a broken nose. His body was black and blue as he was cuffed and kicked. Scores of persons were badly beaten and threatened. Families were humiliated and separated. Rishi Ram Mote is still alive and he is a genuine activist with the PPP.
During the campaign before July 16th it was clear that the People’s Progressive Party meetings attracted massive support while the PNC had a sprinkling of people. Motie, as he sobbed, told me that when the election results were announced and the PNC was the winning Party, nobody accepted the results. The PNC terrorists continued to terrorize the Berbicians as hundreds of people fled their homes and went across to Suriname, while others went into hiding for weeks and months. As a result, thousands of Berbicians and other Guyanese were forced to leave Guyana.
As we celebrate and recognize that our two comrades made the supreme sacrifice in the fight for free and fair elections, Mr. Motie said that he is disappointed and worried to see some people who were on our side only recently are today sitting in the Parliament with some of those who were in the Army and are fully aware of how brutal the PNC was towards the Guyanese people.


As we are preparing to celebrate the heroic memories of Martyrs Ramessar and Bholanauth, let us call on all Berbicians and Guyanese to struggle to stop all forms of rigging of elections in Guyana.
Guyanese must never forget that many eminent persons such as Dr. Walter Rodney were assassinated and murdered during the dark days of the PNC rule. Today, we must draw strength, unite and work together for the maintenance and further development of the democracy we now enjoy.
We must ensure that the memories of Bholanauth Parmanand and Jagan Ramessar live on in us and let their sacrifice inspire us to rally with Comrade Cheddi Jagan’s People’s Progressive Party.
As we prepare for General and Regional Elections let us walk the walk, house-to-house and see that every voter’s name is on the voters list. Let us live and work for a better Guyana! Long live Bholanauth and Ramessar!

(By Neil Kumar)

We shall never forget.   May their souls rest in peace!

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Such is the legacy of the current president of Guyana!! This [seemingly benign] grandfather was part and parcel of the murderous PNC regime and to date has never taken ownership, instead prefers to talk of Sun Chapman!!

People who suffered at the hand of this racist regime should not sell themselves for a few trinkets and glass beads!

Some of these people belong in Den Haag!!

FM

RIP.

I will never forget this incident.

The GDF truck stopped in front of our home, The soldiers were kicking Jagan Ramessar and he was shouting "water, water" as they brutally kicked him while he groaned in pain. 

No one can even imagine what this young man endure until his final moment.

The truck then continued towards Skeldon.

I just cannot get this out of my memory, I just cannot. It was July 1973 as all of our relatives huddled in fear at the sight of the GDF truck with soldiers armed to the teeth and the ballot boxes clearly visible in the back of the truck.

I just cannot get this image out of my mind.

RIP.

FM
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ba$eman posted:

Such is the legacy of the current president of Guyana!! This [seemingly benign] grandfather was part and parcel of the murderous PNC regime and to date has never taken ownership, instead prefers to talk of Sun Chapman!!

People who suffered at the hand of this racist regime should not sell themselves for a few trinkets and glass beads!

Some of these people belong in Den Haag!!

UNCLE TOM SOLD HIS SOUL FOR MUCH MUCH LESS!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru

1973 was perhaps the last time Guyanese truly expected free and fair general elections. As much as the elements were in place for free and fair general elections in 1992, I would wager that it still too many by surprise. From 1992 to 2015, Guyana had normal general elections. Time will tell if this trend continues or if we go back to the way of the old PNC.

FM
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Dont listen to an ass kisser and Blood sucker!!!!!!!

Nehru
Nehru posted:
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Dont listen to an ass kisser and Blood sucker!!!!!!!

Bai, Chief may have a different political viewpoint but I do respect him very much. Plus he has Knicks season tickets.

FM
Nehru posted:
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Dont listen to an ass kisser and Blood sucker!!!!!!!

He is a low life fullah prick!!

FM
ksazma posted:

1973 was perhaps the last time Guyanese truly expected free and fair general elections. As much as the elements were in place for free and fair general elections in 1992, I would wager that it still too many by surprise. From 1992 to 2015, Guyana had normal general elections. Time will tell if this trend continues or if we go back to the way of the old PNC.

Under proper voting procedures and regulations, PPP/C will always win at the polls.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:

1973 was perhaps the last time Guyanese truly expected free and fair general elections. As much as the elements were in place for free and fair general elections in 1992, I would wager that it still too many by surprise. From 1992 to 2015, Guyana had normal general elections. Time will tell if this trend continues or if we go back to the way of the old PNC.

Under proper voting procedures and regulations, PPP/C will always win at the polls.

Dr. Jagan said it many times and history proved him right.

FM

There is a problem with this thinking. Just like us Indians the Africans had a very long struggle to gain their political rights. Why would they agreed to one of us ruling them. We need to stop this foolish attempt to rule Africans. It is destroying our people. We have to concentrate on ruling ourselves.

Prashad

Let's not bash Chief. Here is an important fact: During the 1973 election campaign, Dr Cheddi Jagan told his supporters at PPP public meetings that they must "secure the ballot boxes bodily" on July 16. They must ensure that the ballot boxes were counted right there on the spot at the polling stations.

Dr Jagan knew full well that he was encouraging his supporters to engage in an unlawful act. The Representation of the People Act and the Guyana Elections Commission regulations ruled out the counting of ballots at polling places. Through police information from PPP meetings, Forbes Burnham got feedback on what Dr Jagan had urged his supporters to do. As a lawyer and politician with power, Burnham used state[army-police] resources to take the ballot boxes to central counting places in accordance with the laws his government had passed in parliament. And he decided to use force to thwart anyone who held on to the ballot boxes at polling stations, or anyone who attempted to block the transfer of those boxes.

Having regard to the above, Chief has a point though I would have worded it differently. By advising his supporters to flout the electoral laws of the time, Dr Jagan bore some moral responsibility for the disastrous consequences.

FM
alena06 posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

iN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS HE WENT AND KISS bURNHAM.

Wow, you are an Einstein to figure this out...ignorant jackass!!

Hope after reading Gilly's post you find that chief isn't the ignoramus.

cain
yuji22 posted:

RIP.

I will never forget this incident.

The GDF truck stopped in front of our home, The soldiers were kicking Jagan Ramessar and he was shouting "water, water" as they brutally kicked him while he groaned in pain. 

No one can even imagine what this young man endure until his final moment.

The truck then continued towards Skeldon.

I just cannot get this out of my memory, I just cannot. It was July 1973 as all of our relatives huddled in fear at the sight of the GDF truck with soldiers armed to the teeth and the ballot boxes clearly visible in the back of the truck.

I just cannot get this image out of my mind.

RIP.

This young man died because of racial hate. There is no other way of looking at this issue.

Prashad
cain posted:
alena06 posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

iN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS HE WENT AND KISS bURNHAM.

Wow, you are an Einstein to figure this out...ignorant jackass!!

Hope after reading Gilly's post you find that chief isn't the ignoramus.

Chief has completely lost his marbles.  I was witness to the mayhem that day at a very young age.

AJ

When someone tried to rewrite History for his/her personal gains, they are not only dangerous but points to a very flawed, corrupt, insensitive, immoral, ignorant and ruthless character!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Chief blames the PPP for all the ill actions of the PNC which he supported.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Chief blames the PPP for all the ill actions of the PNC which he supported.

Like Uncle Tom, the almighty dollar is what is important!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Dr Jagan asked that folks must block the ballot boxes with their lives.

How can you block boxes with your lives and the GDF had machine guns?These two young boys like many other Indians,  grew up seeing their parents worshiping Jagan, so they follow his stupid instructions and  the rest is history.

 

Chief
ksazma posted:
Nehru posted:
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Dont listen to an ass kisser and Blood sucker!!!!!!!

Bai, Chief may have a different political viewpoint but I do respect him very much. Plus he has Knicks season tickets.

My tickets will be in great demand this coming season.

My experience is no matter if we are losing the Garden is still full.

Chief
Demerara_Guy posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

iN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS HE WENT AND KISS bURNHAM.

Usual ignorant, wild and senseless statements to deny reality.

Are you doubting that Cheddie did not instruct the kids wrogly.

Then to add salt to wound Cheddie turned around and kissed Burnham and made up.

 

Burnham out smarted Cheddie at every step of the way.

Chief
alena06 posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

iN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS HE WENT AND KISS bURNHAM.

Wow, you are an Einstein to figure this out...ignorant jackass!!

Jagan is alive!

Were you one of them who shaved your head when he died?

Chief
Demerara_Guy posted:
ksazma posted:

1973 was perhaps the last time Guyanese truly expected free and fair general elections. As much as the elements were in place for free and fair general elections in 1992, I would wager that it still too many by surprise. From 1992 to 2015, Guyana had normal general elections. Time will tell if this trend continues or if we go back to the way of the old PNC.

Under proper voting procedures and regulations, PPP/C will always win at the polls.

The corrupt fools lost last year!

Chief
Gilbakka posted:

Let's not bash Chief. Here is an important fact: During the 1973 election campaign, Dr Cheddi Jagan told his supporters at PPP public meetings that they must "secure the ballot boxes bodily" on July 16. They must ensure that the ballot boxes were counted right there on the spot at the polling stations.

Dr Jagan knew full well that he was encouraging his supporters to engage in an unlawful act. The Representation of the People Act and the Guyana Elections Commission regulations ruled out the counting of ballots at polling places. Through police information from PPP meetings, Forbes Burnham got feedback on what Dr Jagan had urged his supporters to do. As a lawyer and politician with power, Burnham used state[army-police] resources to take the ballot boxes to central counting places in accordance with the laws his government had passed in parliament. And he decided to use force to thwart anyone who held on to the ballot boxes at polling stations, or anyone who attempted to block the transfer of those boxes.

Having regard to the above, Chief has a point though I would have worded it differently. By advising his supporters to flout the electoral laws of the time, Dr Jagan bore some moral responsibility for the disastrous consequences.

Oh my God!!!!!!

Thank you Gilly!

Chief

I have to agree with Chief. Mrs Jagan knew the election was going to be rigged. I heard it from her own mouth and how it was going to be rigged. If she knew then Dr. Jagan had to have known

 Why put East Indians lives at risk when you know you are going to be the opposition. East Indian lives matter.

Prashad
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Abu Jihad posted:
cain posted:
alena06 posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

iN LESS THAN 6 MONTHS HE WENT AND KISS bURNHAM.

Wow, you are an Einstein to figure this out...ignorant jackass!!

Hope after reading Gilly's post you find that chief isn't the ignoramus.

Chief has completely lost his marbles.  I was witness to the mayhem that day at a very young age.

The mayhem stemmed from PPP supporters blocking the polling stations on  the orders of Dr Jagan.

 

 

Chief
Nehru posted:

When someone tried to rewrite History for his/her personal gains, they are not only dangerous but points to a very flawed, corrupt, insensitive, immoral, ignorant and ruthless character!!!!!!!!!!!

hehehehe

The correct history:

 Burnham rigged the JULY 16TH 1973 elections 

Two months later Castro visited Guyana, he instructed Jagan to support Burnham.

One month after Jagan for got how many of his supporters were killed and beaten up and he declared critical support to the PNC.

Burnham and the PNC RIGGED EVERY ELECTION AFTER THAT.

Jagan and his wife was never touched by Burnham security forces.

In the meantime Burnham murdered Dr Rodney.

Doubt  the above  Nehru!

 

 

 

Chief
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan caused those kids to loose thier lives.

 

Chief, why do you say he caused them to lose their lives?

Chief blames the PPP for all the ill actions of the PNC which he supported.

Skelly I lay blame fair and square.

 

Chief

We must not forget all the people who were murdered by the PNC. 

 

Rodney was an important man but he should not be the only person remembered but we  should remember that all lives matter. For me East Indian and dougla lives are of utmost importance in my life. But to do the right thing all lives matter.

Prashad
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Gilbakka posted:

Let's not bash Chief. Here is an important fact: During the 1973 election campaign, Dr Cheddi Jagan told his supporters at PPP public meetings that they must "secure the ballot boxes bodily" on July 16. They must ensure that the ballot boxes were counted right there on the spot at the polling stations.

Dr Jagan knew full well that he was encouraging his supporters to engage in an unlawful act. The Representation of the People Act and the Guyana Elections Commission regulations ruled out the counting of ballots at polling places. Through police information from PPP meetings, Forbes Burnham got feedback on what Dr Jagan had urged his supporters to do. As a lawyer and politician with power, Burnham used state[army-police] resources to take the ballot boxes to central counting places in accordance with the laws his government had passed in parliament. And he decided to use force to thwart anyone who held on to the ballot boxes at polling stations, or anyone who attempted to block the transfer of those boxes.

Having regard to the above, Chief has a point though I would have worded it differently. By advising his supporters to flout the electoral laws of the time, Dr Jagan bore some moral responsibility for the disastrous consequences.

Cheddi Jagan never told his supporters that the ballot boxes must be counted at the polling stations.  What Cheddi Jagan told his supporters is, they must stay with the ballot boxes during transportation from polling station to the police station or location where the ballots were going to be counted.

Parmanand and Jagessar were prevented from accompanying the ballot boxes, and when they insisted on not letting the boxes out of their sight, they were killed.

Bibi Haniffa
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I was too young to vote but was a polling station observer for PYO on the east coast. We were briefed to accompany the ballot box and keep it in sight at all times but in all honestly we were never told to guard it with our lives.

I accompany the box on a truck that made several pickups at other stations but also pickup from some private homes that was not polling station. 

I remember one of the home was a indian dude known to us that ran back inside and hide when he see us. Eventually at Bygeval School at Mahaica we were force off the truck at gun point fix with baynets. I guess if we had resisted we might have suffer the same faith..... 

sachin_05
Bibi Haniffa posted:
sachin_05 posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

You should have resisted.........................

I would have if I was retarded like you....

You betta stay quiet before me send you fuh marry Jagdeo ex.

You can bet yuh bottom dollar she won't get lock out the bedroom after 2 weeks...

sachin_05
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Cheddi Jagan never told his supporters that the ballot boxes must be counted at the polling stations.  What Cheddi Jagan told his supporters is, they must stay with the ballot boxes during transportation from polling station to the police station or location where the ballots were going to be counted.

Miss Haniffa, as a 21-year-old PPP activist I participated in the 1973 election campaign. I chaired one public meeting on the East Bank Demerara and spoke at two others in West Demerara along with Dr Cheddi Jagan. I saw and heard close-up Dr Jagan telling the gathering at Canal #2 Polder, WBD: "Comrades, you must secure the ballot boxes bodily. Don't let them carry the boxes away. In 1968 there were bundles of ballots wrapped with rubber band in a box. That was done behind the people's backs. They get ketch because they forget to take out the rubber band from the PNC ballots they put in. You must not let that happen this time. You must insist they count your votes on the spot immediately after the last man vote." 

Luckily, West Demerara people were smart and they did not follow that advice and no fatal shooting occurred as in Berbice. Not to say that there were no confrontations with the security forces but they were minor compared to the Corentyne. 

 

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Never in the history of Guyana, then and now, are votes counted at polling stations.

Granted, but the PPP is on record consistently demanding that votes be counted at the places of poll. That is, when the PPP was in opposition before 1992. Burnham did not cave in to the PPP demands. Hoyte caved in to some, after President Carter took up the PPP's concerns with him. 

FM

How can you count votes at a polling station?  It is not logistically possible.  Ballot boxes are handed over to the police station and to returning officers who take it from there.  There is a procedure to be followed before and after the votes are counted.

Cheddi was a stupid man, but I doubt if he was that stupid.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

How can you count votes at a polling station?  It is not logistically possible.  Ballot boxes are handed over to the police station and to returning officers who take it from there.  There is a procedure to be followed before and after the votes are counted.

Cheddi was a stupid man, but I doubt if he was that stupid.

Miss Haniffa, President Hoyte had indeed said that it would be a "logistical nightmare" to count the votes at polling stations. But, you know, in last year's general elections the votes were counted at polling stations. Presiding officers had to sign Statements of Poll certifying the number of votes each political party got at every polling station. One copy was mounted on the wall of each polling station. The ballots were then transported to GECOM with accompanying Statements of Poll. Even before that, APNU+AFC polling agents took cell phone photos of each Statement of Poll and sent them to the coalition's command centre. That whole process, as you know, resulted in a delay on the part of GECOM to release the official final results. Because the main contesting parties disagreed on some Statements of Poll.

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And that is exactly how the election was rigged!!!!

Duh is wuh yuh Rabb Street comrades seh. 

An wah you seh bai? Elekshan nah rig?

Every time PPP lass them seh it rigged.

Django
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And that is exactly how the election was rigged!!!!

Duh is wuh yuh Rabb Street comrades seh. 

An wah you seh bai? Elekshan nah rig?

Every time PPP lass them seh it rigged.

Bai same ting me seh. You ah play dumb. PPP never lost an election. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Let in ring in your ears and hum in your head

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And that is exactly how the election was rigged!!!!

Duh is wuh yuh Rabb Street comrades seh. 

An wah you seh bai? Elekshan nah rig?

Every time PPP lass them seh it rigged.

Bai same ting me seh. You ah play dumb. PPP never lost an election. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Let in ring in your ears and hum in your head

Banna you better check praperly,you loved Burnham Consititution eh bhai.

Django
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And that is exactly how the election was rigged!!!!

Duh is wuh yuh Rabb Street comrades seh. 

An wah you seh bai? Elekshan nah rig?

Every time PPP lass them seh it rigged.

Bai same ting me seh. You ah play dumb. PPP never lost an election. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Let in ring in your ears and hum in your head

Banna you better check praperly,you loved Burnham Consititution eh bhai.

FYI.. Burnman constitution is like blow blow to me. I left Guyana in 1970 at the beginning of coolie punishment. Gone back numerous times and never had to think about Burnman constitution. I got my family out of Guyana as son as possible. My parents were green card holders and they turned them in for 10 year multiple entry visas. So I went back regularly.

FM
Chief posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Let's not bash Chief. Here is an important fact: During the 1973 election campaign, Dr Cheddi Jagan told his supporters at PPP public meetings that they must "secure the ballot boxes bodily" on July 16. They must ensure that the ballot boxes were counted right there on the spot at the polling stations.

Dr Jagan knew full well that he was encouraging his supporters to engage in an unlawful act. The Representation of the People Act and the Guyana Elections Commission regulations ruled out the counting of ballots at polling places. Through police information from PPP meetings, Forbes Burnham got feedback on what Dr Jagan had urged his supporters to do. As a lawyer and politician with power, Burnham used state[army-police] resources to take the ballot boxes to central counting places in accordance with the laws his government had passed in parliament. And he decided to use force to thwart anyone who held on to the ballot boxes at polling stations, or anyone who attempted to block the transfer of those boxes.

Having regard to the above, Chief has a point though I would have worded it differently. By advising his supporters to flout the electoral laws of the time, Dr Jagan bore some moral responsibility for the disastrous consequences.

Oh my God!!!!!!

Thank you Gilly!

Gilbaka/Chief, you two old lying bastards.  Gilly, have you no shame, I mean, fine you hate today's PPP, but you have no shame, no morals, no class to say that.  You bloody know that the PPP and other members of political parties were merely accompanying the ballot boxes to their destination to be counted.  That was the process then.  These people were fulfilling that function as defined by the electoral rules.

Gilly, you are a shameless lying bastard and classless, I have lost all respect for you!

Chief is an ISIS loving fullah mongrel who hates anything non-fullah!!  So he can go to hell with them!

FM
sachin_05 posted:

I was too young to vote but was a polling station observer for PYO on the east coast. We were briefed to accompany the ballot box and keep it in sight at all times but in all honestly we were never told to guard it with our lives.

I accompany the box on a truck that made several pickups at other stations but also pickup from some private homes that was not polling station. 

I remember one of the home was a indian dude known to us that ran back inside and hide when he see us. Eventually at Bygeval School at Mahaica we were force off the truck at gun point fix with baynets. I guess if we had resisted we might have suffer the same faith..... 

And you have no shame cuddling up with the same criminals.  Mind you, the current president was one of the senior GDF officers at that time.

Banna, hatred make you all lost whatever little morals you ever had!

Shame on you bastards!!

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

And that is exactly how the election was rigged!!!!

Duh is wuh yuh Rabb Street comrades seh. 

An wah you seh bai? Elekshan nah rig?

Every time PPP lass them seh it rigged.

Bai same ting me seh. You ah play dumb. PPP never lost an election. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Let in ring in your ears and hum in your head

Banna you better check praperly,you loved Burnham Consititution eh bhai.

FYI.. Burnman constitution is like blow blow to me. I left Guyana in 1970 at the beginning of coolie punishment. Gone back numerous times and never had to think about Burnman constitution. I got my family out of Guyana as son as possible. My parents were green card holders and they turned them in for 10 year multiple entry visas. So I went back regularly.

Why would someone turn in a green card for a visa. It doesn't make any sense.

Prashad
Prashad posted:
skeldon_man posted:

FYI.. Burnman constitution is like blow blow to me. I left Guyana in 1970 at the beginning of coolie punishment. Gone back numerous times and never had to think about Burnman constitution. I got my family out of Guyana as son as possible. My parents were green card holders and they turned them in for 10 year multiple entry visas. So I went back regularly.

Why would someone turn in a green card for a visa. It doesn't make any sense.

Why would someone turn in a green card for a visa.

You think they did it because they wanted he fo go back regularly? aiaiai

It doesn't make any sense.

Well it is SkeldonBannaski you talkin here yeh

cain
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In defense of Skelly I know people who gave up their green card for visa.

Main reason is you have to spend a certain amount of time in the States or you risk losing your green card. Quite a few older people and businessmen opted for visa instead. 

Chief
ba$eman posted:

Such is the legacy of the current president of Guyana!! This [seemingly benign] grandfather was part and parcel of the murderous PNC regime and to date has never taken ownership, instead prefers to talk of Sun Chapman!!

People who suffered at the hand of this racist regime should not sell themselves for a few trinkets and glass beads!

Some of these people belong in Den Haag!!

Why are these two stupid drunk men charging armed soldiers a matter of more consideration than some 30 people including women and children? These fellows were drunk and indeed they were murdered but attributing greater altruistic inclination to their action is purely gratuitous. Yes they tried to protect ballot boxes but note no other person went except these two daft fellows

FM

Shame on you for calling 17 year old Jagan Ramessar a drunk man.  You are shallow, barefaced, outrageous, and a flat out confounded liar.  You know nothing about the history of the PPP party.   Your words are just like you - useless and barren!!

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Shame on you for calling 15 year old Jagan Ramessar a drunk man.  You are shallow, barefaced, outrageous, and a flat out confounded liar.  You know nothing about the history of the PPP party.   Your words are just like you - useless and barren!!

Why shame on me? Guyanese are drunks by the time they are fifteen. The WHO just commented on that insisting 17 year olds are imbibing almost 3 liters of alcohol per month.

I grew up in the area and know many of the families in the villages and I dare say some are kin. That is the story I heard. It does not mean they were not murdered I was almost 13 when it happened and in my last year of high school. What I say is a fact.

You can try to make political gold with it but you are starting out with hay. These were not altruistic political stalwarts defending the good and true virtues of democracy but a couple of misguided fellows embolden by alcohol to walk up on machine gun wielding soldiers ordered to remove the ballot boxes

FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

Until you can prove to me that these two men were drunk, everything you have said in this thread is - NULL & VOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Prove what to you? You do not interest me. I care little for your conversion to my side. I would not want to inconvenience the hell hounds by stealing their milk source.  I am writing for others with more salutary dispositions and interested in history over political fluff.

FM
Nehru posted:

Piwari master calling others drunk. Is he the male Malania????

I do not drink. It is a preference. Too many drunks around doing damage to themselves was enough of a deterrence.  You however, did not take those lessons to heart.

English is my first language and I have a gift for it. Malania was done a bad turn by her speech writers who were obviously not professionals at their task. They would or should have known this would happen since software on the internet exists that can easily discover cribbed texts.  I on the other hand, am fluid with what I write and it is uniquely me. You can test that if you so feel inclined.

FM
ba$eman posted:
Gilly, you are a shameless lying bastard and classless, I have lost all respect for you!

No problem. I participated in the PPP election campaign in 1973 and I know what I'm talking about. I can see it's an inconvenient truth to you, but that's not my problem. I'm going to make one more point in addition to all my comments in this thread, as follows:

After 1973 Burnham called another general election in 1980. The rules did not change. Same overseas voting. Same proxy voting. No counting of ballots at place of poll. Etc. Knowing that the elections would be rigged under those conditions, the WPA boycotted the election and urged the PPP to do the same. Jagan ignored the WPA and contested. On paper, in press releases, he still demanded that votes be counted at polling places. However, at public meetings he studiously refrained from telling supporters to secure ballot boxes or accompany them to Georgetown for centralized counting. Why? Because Jagan did not want more ballot box martyrs. Plain and simple.

Likewise, after 1980 Hoyte called general elections in 1985 under the same Burnhamite rules. Again, the WPA boycotted knowing that rigging would take place. And again, Jagan contested. Gilbakka was a candidate and spoke at a number of public meetings, along with Jagan at some of them. He studiously avoided telling the people to secure ballot boxes. Why? He remembered the 1973 fiasco in the Corentyne. Plain and simple. As it turned out, with Robert Corbin as his campaign manager, Hoyte was a bigger rigger than Burnham. He gave the PPP only 8 seats. But unlike 1973 when the PPP boycotted parliament even though it had got more seats from Burnham, in 1985 Jagan meekly accepted the election results and took up his 8 seats in parliament. I say no more.

FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

Until you can prove to me that these two men were drunk, everything you have said in this thread is - NULL & VOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So far everything you've said here has been NULL and VOID.

cain
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ba$eman posted:
Chief posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Let's not bash Chief. Here is an important fact: During the 1973 election campaign, Dr Cheddi Jagan told his supporters at PPP public meetings that they must "secure the ballot boxes bodily" on July 16. They must ensure that the ballot boxes were counted right there on the spot at the polling stations.

Dr Jagan knew full well that he was encouraging his supporters to engage in an unlawful act. The Representation of the People Act and the Guyana Elections Commission regulations ruled out the counting of ballots at polling places. Through police information from PPP meetings, Forbes Burnham got feedback on what Dr Jagan had urged his supporters to do. As a lawyer and politician with power, Burnham used state[army-police] resources to take the ballot boxes to central counting places in accordance with the laws his government had passed in parliament. And he decided to use force to thwart anyone who held on to the ballot boxes at polling stations, or anyone who attempted to block the transfer of those boxes.

Having regard to the above, Chief has a point though I would have worded it differently. By advising his supporters to flout the electoral laws of the time, Dr Jagan bore some moral responsibility for the disastrous consequences.

Oh my God!!!!!!

Thank you Gilly!

Gilbaka/Chief, you two old lying bastards.  Gilly, have you no shame, I mean, fine you hate today's PPP, but you have no shame, no morals, no class to say that.  You bloody know that the PPP and other members of political parties were merely accompanying the ballot boxes to their destination to be counted.  That was the process then.  These people were fulfilling that function as defined by the electoral rules.

Gilly, you are a shameless lying bastard and classless, I have lost all respect for you!

Chief is an ISIS loving fullah mongrel who hates anything non-fullah!!  So he can go to hell with them!

Both of them are 'pushing their luck' with their responses on this thread.  Shows how low some PNC'ites can stoop for Granger!!

alena06
ba$eman posted:
sachin_05 posted:

I was too young to vote but was a polling station observer for PYO on the east coast. We were briefed to accompany the ballot box and keep it in sight at all times but in all honestly we were never told to guard it with our lives.

I accompany the box on a truck that made several pickups at other stations but also pickup from some private homes that was not polling station. 

I remember one of the home was a indian dude known to us that ran back inside and hide when he see us. Eventually at Bygeval School at Mahaica we were force off the truck at gun point fix with baynets. I guess if we had resisted we might have suffer the same faith..... 

And you have no shame cuddling up with the same criminals.  Mind you, the current president was one of the senior GDF officers at that time.

Banna, hatred make you all lost whatever little morals you ever had!

Shame on you bastards!!

I don't kiss ass, even in the great US of A I don't  vote politicians in I vote them out when they misbehave and think they are above the people that put them there. Race doesn't  matter to me - you f'ed up you are gone....PPP got what they deserved...sorry I have no apology...

Although I got to admit the measure between these two evils Hillary and Trump is about equal but I hate Tump more....

sachin_05
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Gilbakka posted:
ba$eman posted:
Gilly, you are a shameless lying bastard and classless, I have lost all respect for you!

No problem. I participated in the PPP election campaign in 1973 and I know what I'm talking about. I can see it's an inconvenient truth to you, but that's not my problem. I'm going to make one more point in addition to all my comments in this thread, as follows:

After 1973 Burnham called another general election in 1980. The rules did not change. Same overseas voting. Same proxy voting. No counting of ballots at place of poll. Etc. Knowing that the elections would be rigged under those conditions, the WPA boycotted the election and urged the PPP to do the same. Jagan ignored the WPA and contested. On paper, in press releases, he still demanded that votes be counted at polling places. However, at public meetings he studiously refrained from telling supporters to secure ballot boxes or accompany them to Georgetown for centralized counting. Why? Because Jagan did not want more ballot box martyrs. Plain and simple.

Likewise, after 1980 Hoyte called general elections in 1985 under the same Burnhamite rules. Again, the WPA boycotted knowing that rigging would take place. And again, Jagan contested. Gilbakka was a candidate and spoke at a number of public meetings, along with Jagan at some of them. He studiously avoided telling the people to secure ballot boxes. Why? He remembered the 1973 fiasco in the Corentyne. Plain and simple. As it turned out, with Robert Corbin as his campaign manager, Hoyte was a bigger rigger than Burnham. He gave the PPP only 8 seats. But unlike 1973 when the PPP boycotted parliament even though it had got more seats from Burnham, in 1985 Jagan meekly accepted the election results and took up his 8 seats in parliament. I say no more.

You are to total and shameless liar.  I witnessed a PPP Rep almost having his brain blown out in 1973 when he tried to accompany the ballot box.  And in a Military region where Granger was in charge.

Gilly, stop throwing in a lot of mud to muddy the facts.  You know very well these two folks were carrying out their agreed-upon mandate. Stop shoveling a whole heap of happy horse sh1t on the issue under discussion!

FM
sachin_05 posted:
ba$eman posted:
sachin_05 posted:

I was too young to vote but was a polling station observer for PYO on the east coast. We were briefed to accompany the ballot box and keep it in sight at all times but in all honestly we were never told to guard it with our lives.

I accompany the box on a truck that made several pickups at other stations but also pickup from some private homes that was not polling station. 

I remember one of the home was a indian dude known to us that ran back inside and hide when he see us. Eventually at Bygeval School at Mahaica we were force off the truck at gun point fix with baynets. I guess if we had resisted we might have suffer the same faith..... 

And you have no shame cuddling up with the same criminals.  Mind you, the current president was one of the senior GDF officers at that time.

Banna, hatred make you all lost whatever little morals you ever had!

Shame on you bastards!!

I don't kiss ass, even in the great US of A I don't  vote politicians in I vote them out when they misbehave and think they are above the people that put them there. Race doesn't  matter to me - you f'ed up you are gone....PPP got what they deserved...sorry I have no apology...

Although I got to admit the measure between these two evils Hillary and Trump is about equal but I hate Tump more....

Well, you should have "F'ed" up in 1973 and save yourself the hypocritical miserable life!!  You would have been celebrated much better than you are today!

For a man of your "lack of values", you hating Trump is actually a good thing!

FM
ba$eman posted:
sachin_05 posted:
ba$eman posted:
sachin_05 posted:

I was too young to vote but was a polling station observer for PYO on the east coast. We were briefed to accompany the ballot box and keep it in sight at all times but in all honestly we were never told to guard it with our lives.

I accompany the box on a truck that made several pickups at other stations but also pickup from some private homes that was not polling station. 

I remember one of the home was a indian dude known to us that ran back inside and hide when he see us. Eventually at Bygeval School at Mahaica we were force off the truck at gun point fix with baynets. I guess if we had resisted we might have suffer the same faith..... 

And you have no shame cuddling up with the same criminals.  Mind you, the current president was one of the senior GDF officers at that time.

Banna, hatred make you all lost whatever little morals you ever had!

Shame on you bastards!!

I don't kiss ass, even in the great US of A I don't  vote politicians in I vote them out when they misbehave and think they are above the people that put them there. Race doesn't  matter to me - you f'ed up you are gone....PPP got what they deserved...sorry I have no apology...

Although I got to admit the measure between these two evils Hillary and Trump is about equal but I hate Tump more....

Well, you should have "F'ed" up in 1973 and save yourself the hypocritical miserable life!!  You would have been celebrated much better than you are today!

For a man of your "lack of values", you hating Trump is actually a good thing!

Wuh happen baseman, somebody step pon yo corn? Banna, you starting fo act like a fire rass street walker lately, you followin dah loser Trump too close, back off and you might find yourself feeling like a decent human again.

cain
cain posted:

Wuh happen baseman, somebody step pon yo corn? Banna, you starting fo act like a fire rass street walker lately, you followin dah loser Trump too close, back off and you might find yourself feeling like a decent human again.

RIP those souls who paid the ultimate price for bravery and for what's right.  Members of the current regome were part an parcel of this dark era!

Hey Cain, that Trumpster banna!

 

FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

On this sad day in the history of Guyana, we remember our fallen heroes, who gave their lives for democracy.  

Wonder how Blood Hands Grainjah can sleep at night without nightmares? The man showed no remorse for the killings of innocent people. Win at all cost, even with coolie lives.

FM

Cheddi Jagan should have been charged for Manslaughter.

Giving instructions to guard the ballot boxes with thier lives and the foucking GDF had machine guns.

Cheddie was no frigging good and then just 6 months afyter the murder of these boys, Chediie gave critical support to Burnham

Cheddie will rot in hell!

Chief
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan should have been charged for Manslaughter.

Giving instructions to guard the ballot boxes with thier lives and the foucking GDF had machine guns.

Cheddie was no frigging good and then just 6 months afyter the murder of these boys, Chediie gave critical support to Burnham

Cheddie will rot in hell!

Chief, you are a real kaka-hole, and I'm being polite here!

I was a boy and saw what almost happened to the PPP guy at the voting station where I lived.  When he attempted to board the GDF truck, the officer-in-charge grabbed his document and in a few seconds ripped it up saying he needs a new document.  He ran over to the nearby police station to get it.  On his return, another GDF (rank) was sent in his path about 100 yards from the truck.  The officer-in-charge shouted an order and the GDF rank cocked his gun and pointed it straight to his (PPP) temple.  All the villagers were ordered to stand back as the show went on.  The atmosphere was tense as hell, people were nervous and scared.  Had this guy make one more step, today he would be #3.  The trucks rolled out leaving him behind.

Chief you are a spineless coward [and again, I'm being polite].  You will never die for your "principle", because you have none or they are like soft dough!!  A man died for his principle and you say he stupid!  What should Jagan have done?  Did anyone know that PNC plans?  The GDF should have caught you plying your contraband trade and grace you with the "glove" treatment!  But maybe they did, that's why you love the PNC!!

And BTW Chief, there was a young Lieutenant in charge at this military base, name David Arthur Granger!!!!

I repeat, Chief, you are a real kaka-hole....for this position!!!

FM
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan should have been charged for Manslaughter.

Giving instructions to guard the ballot boxes with thier lives and the foucking GDF had machine guns.

Cheddie was no frigging good and then just 6 months afyter the murder of these boys, Chediie gave critical support to Burnham

Cheddie will rot in hell!

Be .carefull  what you wish for

K
Chief posted:

Cheddi Jagan should have been charged for Manslaughter.

Giving instructions to guard the ballot boxes with thier lives and the foucking GDF had machine guns.

Cheddie was no frigging good and then just 6 months afyter the murder of these boys, Chediie gave critical support to Burnham

Cheddie will rot in hell!

If Dr. Jagan should have been charged with manslaughter, what should Burnham, Hoyte, Grainjah, and Green be charged with? Grabbing "P.U.S.S.Y?

FM

Skeldon Man

Your response to my posting is worthy of a reply.

BURNHAM was a dictator and yes he should have been charged and brought before the courts. 

Jagan and Burnham played the two major races and although they are both long gone , idiots like Baseman still are firmly in thier cluthes.

He and others are too blind to recognize or to accept that they were pawns .

Chief

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