PEOPLE'S MILITIA/ PNC MILITIA.

Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

An uneducated observation , most homes are owned by white people and the majority are blacks in jail, you need your own type to have better communication when dealing with a situation. Remember there is Sense in NonSense.

kp posted:
Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

An uneducated observation , most homes are owned by white people and the majority are blacks in jail, you need your own type to have better communication when dealing with a situation. Remember there is Sense in NonSense.

An even more interesting observation is that you attach the adjective white to the noun people but refer to the other group as blacks.

kp posted:
Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

An uneducated observation , most homes are owned by white people and the majority are blacks in jail, you need your own type to have better communication when dealing with a situation. Remember there is Sense in NonSense.

I'll humor you and follow your logic (even though it's complete nonsense).

DO you know in NYC, there are plenty plenty minorities whose businesses and homes do have fires. Some of them don't even speak english.

How does your reasoning account for this?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Oh then please Mr. General, explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular army can.

Have you tried google?

Google is for those pretentious idiots like you. You made a statement insinuating I don't understand, now back it up. I showed a co-worker who also happens to be prior military and his response was "is this dude for real?". I guess it's the same in the GDF as it is in everything else in Guyana. It's who you know because I doubt you would have made it past lance corporal otherwise.

Doesn't having to confer with your coworker make it clear you don't know what you're talking about? What about my position is your coworker questioning?

Just wanted to make it unanimous that you have no idea about what you pretend to know.

You can't do better than that? I have a State Commission signed by the president of Guyana and a green book from the GDF attesting to my commission and service. My comments are based on experience and knowledge, not idle speculation and consultations with co-workers.

So... to recap. You oppose the re-creation of the GPM under the notion that it is aligned with the PNC and you have no knowledge of the military or its organization. You assume, although aware enough of the dangers of assumption to caution others, after a few google searches that Guyana's GPM is similar to the US's Militia, again displaying pure ignorance of Guyana's military/para-military structure. We've clearly established you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 

If you want to continue a discussion on the merits of Guyana's GPM, without any consideration for political affiliation, please educate yourself first. I suggest you try to understand the differences between the organized and unorganized militia of the US and the differences between those two and the GPM. Try to expand your reading from brief descriptions.

It's been a pleasure toying with you.

You have all those credential yet you can't explain your statement earlier. All we have established here is that you haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to speak about. As for your assumption that I have no idea what I'm speaking about, you assume that since I left Guyana at an early age I didn't serve in the GDF and therefore I have no military training or experience. Wrong my friend. That is precisely why I know you are simply blowing hot air. You were probably good at basic infantry requirements like drills and saluting your superiors but other than that you lack the mental capacity to go further.

GTAngler posted:

You can't do better than that? I have a State Commission signed by the president of Guyana and a green book from the GDF attesting to my commission and service. My comments are based on experience and knowledge, not idle speculation and consultations with co-workers.

So... to recap. You oppose the re-creation of the GPM under the notion that it is aligned with the PNC and you have no knowledge of the military or its organization. You assume, although aware enough of the dangers of assumption to caution others, after a few google searches that Guyana's GPM is similar to the US's Militia, again displaying pure ignorance of Guyana's military/para-military structure. We've clearly established you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 

If you want to continue a discussion on the merits of Guyana's GPM, without any consideration for political affiliation, please educate yourself first. I suggest you try to understand the differences between the organized and unorganized militia of the US and the differences between those two and the GPM. Try to expand your reading from brief descriptions.

It's been a pleasure toying with you.

You have all those credential yet you can't explain your statement earlier. All we have established here is that you haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to speak about. As for your assumption that I have no idea what I'm speaking about, you assume that since I left Guyana at an early age I didn't serve in the GDF and therefore I have no military training or experience. Wrong my friend. That is precisely why I know you are simply blowing hot air. You were probably good at basic infantry requirements like drills and saluting your superiors but other than that you lack the mental capacity to go further.

Which statement did I not explain with enough clarity for the combined intellect of you and your co-worker? Early age means childhood. Were you in the GDF at 5? Or was it 6? Which unit did you serve in and what year? Who was your CO, OC, CSM?

Ray posted:
kp posted:
Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

An uneducated observation , most homes are owned by white people and the majority are blacks in jail, you need your own type to have better communication when dealing with a situation. Remember there is Sense in NonSense.

I'll humor you and follow your logic (even though it's complete nonsense).

DO you know in NYC, there are plenty plenty minorities whose businesses and homes do have fires. Some of them don't even speak english.

How does your reasoning account for this?

You asked a question, if you had the answer , why ask. That's why when the minorities have fire their entire property burn down and they prefer to collect the insurance payment.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

You can't do better than that? I have a State Commission signed by the president of Guyana and a green book from the GDF attesting to my commission and service. My comments are based on experience and knowledge, not idle speculation and consultations with co-workers.

So... to recap. You oppose the re-creation of the GPM under the notion that it is aligned with the PNC and you have no knowledge of the military or its organization. You assume, although aware enough of the dangers of assumption to caution others, after a few google searches that Guyana's GPM is similar to the US's Militia, again displaying pure ignorance of Guyana's military/para-military structure. We've clearly established you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 

If you want to continue a discussion on the merits of Guyana's GPM, without any consideration for political affiliation, please educate yourself first. I suggest you try to understand the differences between the organized and unorganized militia of the US and the differences between those two and the GPM. Try to expand your reading from brief descriptions.

It's been a pleasure toying with you.

You have all those credential yet you can't explain your statement earlier. All we have established here is that you haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to speak about. As for your assumption that I have no idea what I'm speaking about, you assume that since I left Guyana at an early age I didn't serve in the GDF and therefore I have no military training or experience. Wrong my friend. That is precisely why I know you are simply blowing hot air. You were probably good at basic infantry requirements like drills and saluting your superiors but other than that you lack the mental capacity to go further.

Which statement did I not explain with enough clarity for the combined intellect of you and your co-worker? Early age means childhood. Were you in the GDF at 5? Or was it 6? Which unit did you serve in and what year? Who was your CO, OC, CSM?

Do you have a problem understanding written English? I said you assumed, incorrectly,  that since I didn't serve in the GDF I had no military experience. No wonder you even understand what you're trying to explain. Now, explain your statement "explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular unit can", or stop wasting my time.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Which statement did I not explain with enough clarity for the combined intellect of you and your co-worker? Early age means childhood. Were you in the GDF at 5? Or was it 6? Which unit did you serve in and what year? Who was your CO, OC, CSM?

Do you have a problem understanding written English? I said you assumed, incorrectly,  that since I didn't serve in the GDF I had no military experience. No wonder you even understand what you're trying to explain. Now, explain your statement "explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular unit can", or stop wasting my time.

My dear sir, we ARE discussing the GPM and the GDF. Is it safe to say that you are totally ignorant of the GDF and GPM? Please confirm, because without your confirmation we cannot accept your ignorance, although clearly established, because of my lack of understanding of written English.

The statement you're asking me to explain, is yours, not mine. If you can point out where I made it, please do.I would willingly stop wasting your time except that I have no idea how I'm occupying your time. Did you do the appropriate research of the GPM?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Which statement did I not explain with enough clarity for the combined intellect of you and your co-worker? Early age means childhood. Were you in the GDF at 5? Or was it 6? Which unit did you serve in and what year? Who was your CO, OC, CSM?

Do you have a problem understanding written English? I said you assumed, incorrectly,  that since I didn't serve in the GDF I had no military experience. No wonder you even understand what you're trying to explain. Now, explain your statement "explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular unit can", or stop wasting my time.

My dear sir, we ARE discussing the GPM and the GDF. Is it safe to say that you are totally ignorant of the GDF and GPM? Please confirm, because without your confirmation we cannot accept your ignorance, although clearly established, because of my lack of understanding of written English.

The statement you're asking me to explain, is yours, not mine. If you can point out where I made it, please do.I would willingly stop wasting your time except that I have no idea how I'm occupying your time. Did you do the appropriate research of the GPM?

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

Aren't you tired of looking like a complete idiot?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Which statement did I not explain with enough clarity for the combined intellect of you and your co-worker? Early age means childhood. Were you in the GDF at 5? Or was it 6? Which unit did you serve in and what year? Who was your CO, OC, CSM?

Do you have a problem understanding written English? I said you assumed, incorrectly,  that since I didn't serve in the GDF I had no military experience. No wonder you even understand what you're trying to explain. Now, explain your statement "explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular unit can", or stop wasting my time.

My dear sir, we ARE discussing the GPM and the GDF. Is it safe to say that you are totally ignorant of the GDF and GPM? Please confirm, because without your confirmation we cannot accept your ignorance, although clearly established, because of my lack of understanding of written English.

The statement you're asking me to explain, is yours, not mine. If you can point out where I made it, please do.I would willingly stop wasting your time except that I have no idea how I'm occupying your time. Did you do the appropriate research of the GPM?

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

Aren't you tired of looking like a complete idiot?

My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Which statement did I not explain with enough clarity for the combined intellect of you and your co-worker? Early age means childhood. Were you in the GDF at 5? Or was it 6? Which unit did you serve in and what year? Who was your CO, OC, CSM?

Do you have a problem understanding written English? I said you assumed, incorrectly,  that since I didn't serve in the GDF I had no military experience. No wonder you even understand what you're trying to explain. Now, explain your statement "explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular unit can", or stop wasting my time.

My dear sir, we ARE discussing the GPM and the GDF. Is it safe to say that you are totally ignorant of the GDF and GPM? Please confirm, because without your confirmation we cannot accept your ignorance, although clearly established, because of my lack of understanding of written English.

The statement you're asking me to explain, is yours, not mine. If you can point out where I made it, please do.I would willingly stop wasting your time except that I have no idea how I'm occupying your time. Did you do the appropriate research of the GPM?

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

Aren't you tired of looking like a complete idiot?

My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

kp posted:
Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

An uneducated observation , most homes are owned by white people and the majority are blacks in jail, you need your own type to have better communication when dealing with a situation. Remember there is Sense in NonSense.

I assume that you think that you are white.

caribny posted:
Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

NYFD wants to keep non whites out and whites don't want correction jobs in NYC.  Only those living upstate are that desperate.

Not entirely true. The fact is that firemen jobs are cherished by Whites as they allow a person without a college degree to earn a relative good pay with great benefits, like retiring after 30 years with a large pension. Whites will organize to study for the fireman and police entry exam and share knowledge, this gives them a distinct advantage over other groups. Only racial quotas allows a certain % of non whites, else if counted by score alone, it would be 99% whites. 

GTAngler posted:
My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

Perhaps you should check with your co-worker. Rules in war-time change for obvious reasons. If you don't know what the obvious reasons are, nothing will make sense to you. In peace-time we won't mix the reservists (not reserve units) with regular units for the same reason we don't mix the GPF and the GDF. Why do you think Guyana needs a reservist element withing the GDF? What is the strength of the GDF and the strength of the GPM? The GPM can better pursue its goal as a separate unit from the GDF.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

Perhaps you should check with your co-worker. Rules in war-time change for obvious reasons. If you don't know what the obvious reasons are, nothing will make sense to you. In peace-time we won't mix the reservists (not reserve units) with regular units for the same reason we don't mix the GPF and the GDF. Why do you think Guyana needs a reservist element withing the GDF? What is the strength of the GDF and the strength of the GPM? The GPM can better pursue its goal as a separate unit from the GDF.

In other words, you haven't the faintest idea but continue to spew nonsense. It might interest you to know that the United States Military has been putting Guard, Reserve and Regular Units together during peacetime. Continuing this semi-intelligent, semi on your part, discussion, is a waste of time.

Reeper posted:
caribny posted:
Ray posted:

Why is the NYC fire dept almost all white and the NYC Correction dept all black?

NYFD wants to keep non whites out and whites don't want correction jobs in NYC.  Only those living upstate are that desperate.

Not entirely true. The fact is that firemen jobs are cherished by Whites as they allow a person without a college degree to earn a relative good pay with great benefits, like retiring after 30 years with a large pension. Whites will organize to study for the fireman and police entry exam and share knowledge, this gives them a distinct advantage over other groups. Only racial quotas allows a certain % of non whites, else if counted by score alone, it would be 99% whites. 

Black people don't fight fires; they run away from fires after they set them.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

Perhaps you should check with your co-worker. Rules in war-time change for obvious reasons. If you don't know what the obvious reasons are, nothing will make sense to you. In peace-time we won't mix the reservists (not reserve units) with regular units for the same reason we don't mix the GPF and the GDF. Why do you think Guyana needs a reservist element withing the GDF? What is the strength of the GDF and the strength of the GPM? The GPM can better pursue its goal as a separate unit from the GDF.

In other words, you haven't the faintest idea but continue to spew nonsense. It might interest you to know that the United States Military has been putting Guard, Reserve and Regular Units together during peacetime. Continuing this semi-intelligent, semi on your part, discussion, is a waste of time.

Please don't stop now. I'm just beginning to learn a few things. For example:

1. You left Guyana at an early age, so you have little or no knowledge of Guyana.

2. Because of 1 you can't possibly know anything about Guyana's military.

3. You have to be a genius to be an expert on something you know nothing about or a complete idiot to enter a debate about something you know nothing about.

Please give us examples of when the US mixed regular and reserve troops and I will give you the reasons why.

Can you assimilate that the GPM embraces the concept of a regional citizen-army while managed centrally by the government, not by the citizens as is the unorganized militia of the US? Try to understand also there are major cultural, operational, and functional differences that advise against mixing the two forces.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

Perhaps you should check with your co-worker. Rules in war-time change for obvious reasons. If you don't know what the obvious reasons are, nothing will make sense to you. In peace-time we won't mix the reservists (not reserve units) with regular units for the same reason we don't mix the GPF and the GDF. Why do you think Guyana needs a reservist element withing the GDF? What is the strength of the GDF and the strength of the GPM? The GPM can better pursue its goal as a separate unit from the GDF.

In other words, you haven't the faintest idea but continue to spew nonsense. It might interest you to know that the United States Military has been putting Guard, Reserve and Regular Units together during peacetime. Continuing this semi-intelligent, semi on your part, discussion, is a waste of time.

Please don't stop now. I'm just beginning to learn a few things. For example:

1. You left Guyana at an early age, so you have little or no knowledge of Guyana.

2. Because of 1 you can't possibly know anything about Guyana's military.

3. You have to be a genius to be an expert on something you know nothing about or a complete idiot to enter a debate about something you know nothing about.

Please give us examples of when the US mixed regular and reserve troops and I will give you the reasons why.

Can you assimilate that the GPM embraces the concept of a regional citizen-army while managed centrally by the government, not by the citizens as is the unorganized militia of the US? Try to understand also there are major cultural, operational, and functional differences that advise against mixing the two forces.

I'll humor you one last time. First of all, I happen to have served in the United States Army. Now, you do realize you have basically been restating what I have been saying all the time about a militia. You are taking all the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. You yourself agreed that the former GPM was the reservist element of the GDF. You do realize also that any Militia in the current United States is private, are not government sponsored and are for the most part, anti-government. You are the one who keeps "answering" questions with "obvious" and "reasons I wouldn't care to understand" and "use Google". So either explain all those differences and obvious reasons for those of us who aren't experts on the GDF and Guyana's military such as yourself, unless as I have said before, you haven't the faintest idea about what you think you know, or, take a dignified exit from this discussion instead of continuing to look like an idiot.

Django posted:
GTAngler posted:

 

 I happen to have served in the United States Army.

Well bhai GTAngler,Bikiski din't find that out,trying to belittle you,claiming contributing more to the ole USA.

Kudos to you!!

I can proudly say I have more military experience than the commander-in-chief.

GTAngler posted:
Django posted:
GTAngler posted:

 

 I happen to have served in the United States Army.

Well bhai GTAngler,Bikiski din't find that out,trying to belittle you,claiming contributing more to the ole USA.

Kudos to you!!

I can proudly say I have more military experience than the commander-in-chief.

Congrats. 

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

Perhaps you should check with your co-worker. Rules in war-time change for obvious reasons. If you don't know what the obvious reasons are, nothing will make sense to you. In peace-time we won't mix the reservists (not reserve units) with regular units for the same reason we don't mix the GPF and the GDF. Why do you think Guyana needs a reservist element withing the GDF? What is the strength of the GDF and the strength of the GPM? The GPM can better pursue its goal as a separate unit from the GDF.

In other words, you haven't the faintest idea but continue to spew nonsense. It might interest you to know that the United States Military has been putting Guard, Reserve and Regular Units together during peacetime. Continuing this semi-intelligent, semi on your part, discussion, is a waste of time.

Please don't stop now. I'm just beginning to learn a few things. For example:

1. You left Guyana at an early age, so you have little or no knowledge of Guyana.

2. Because of 1 you can't possibly know anything about Guyana's military.

3. You have to be a genius to be an expert on something you know nothing about or a complete idiot to enter a debate about something you know nothing about.

Please give us examples of when the US mixed regular and reserve troops and I will give you the reasons why.

Can you assimilate that the GPM embraces the concept of a regional citizen-army while managed centrally by the government, not by the citizens as is the unorganized militia of the US? Try to understand also there are major cultural, operational, and functional differences that advise against mixing the two forces.

I'll humor you one last time. First of all, I happen to have served in the United States Army. Now, you do realize you have basically been restating what I have been saying all the time about a militia. You are taking all the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. You yourself agreed that the former GPM was the reservist element of the GDF. You do realize also that any Militia in the current United States is private, are not government sponsored and are for the most part, anti-government. You are the one who keeps "answering" questions with "obvious" and "reasons I wouldn't care to understand" and "use Google". So either explain all those differences and obvious reasons for those of us who aren't experts on the GDF and Guyana's military such as yourself, unless as I have said before, you haven't the faintest idea about what you think you know, or, take a dignified exit from this discussion instead of continuing to look like an idiot.

No need for you to humor me. You first post on this thread contested the GPM as a separate entity and you want it to remain a part of the GDF out of your concern that it is an arm of the PNC. Correct? I have provided ample reason why it should remain separate. I'm not taking the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. The GPM is a regional reservist, citizen-army, managed and controller by the national government. It is NOT anti-govt, obviously. It is NOT private. It can be used to supplement GDF forces in times of need but cannot be under the umbrella of the GDF for a number of reasons, mainly, at its heyday and at full strength it was probably close in numbers to the GDF, there is a massive cultural difference between the two organizations that would easily evolve into conflict, different functionality and operational expectations. What else would you like me to explain?

Whatever I think I know about Guyana's military would far surpass your knowledge if only by virtue of my personal experience.

Not all militia in the US is private. If you were anything but a grunt in the US army you would know that.

Beg some more and I'll consider leaving you alone.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
My humble apologies. Let me clarify.

Normal operations = peace-time. Clear? In war-time any matrix can apply. Clear?

Reserve unit = reservists in the sense of the GPM (that was the gist of our discussion) NOT an actual reserve military unit.

Anything else you need clarified?

To tidy up: Let's get back to the main discussion. You have no knowledge of the GDF/GPM. Correct? Therefore your comments are founded on speculation. Correct? Do you concede the necessity for the GPM in small Guyana that cannot afford a large standing army or are you still struggling with it?

You make no sense whatsoever. Let me make sure I understand what you're saying. In peace time, reserve units and regular units cannot be mixed but you expect them to function at an optimal level if deployed together in wartime. Read that back to yourself a few times. Also explain why in peace time, these units cannot operate together. Guyana needs a "reservist" element within the GDF not a separate army.

Perhaps you should check with your co-worker. Rules in war-time change for obvious reasons. If you don't know what the obvious reasons are, nothing will make sense to you. In peace-time we won't mix the reservists (not reserve units) with regular units for the same reason we don't mix the GPF and the GDF. Why do you think Guyana needs a reservist element withing the GDF? What is the strength of the GDF and the strength of the GPM? The GPM can better pursue its goal as a separate unit from the GDF.

In other words, you haven't the faintest idea but continue to spew nonsense. It might interest you to know that the United States Military has been putting Guard, Reserve and Regular Units together during peacetime. Continuing this semi-intelligent, semi on your part, discussion, is a waste of time.

Please don't stop now. I'm just beginning to learn a few things. For example:

1. You left Guyana at an early age, so you have little or no knowledge of Guyana.

2. Because of 1 you can't possibly know anything about Guyana's military.

3. You have to be a genius to be an expert on something you know nothing about or a complete idiot to enter a debate about something you know nothing about.

Please give us examples of when the US mixed regular and reserve troops and I will give you the reasons why.

Can you assimilate that the GPM embraces the concept of a regional citizen-army while managed centrally by the government, not by the citizens as is the unorganized militia of the US? Try to understand also there are major cultural, operational, and functional differences that advise against mixing the two forces.

I'll humor you one last time. First of all, I happen to have served in the United States Army. Now, you do realize you have basically been restating what I have been saying all the time about a militia. You are taking all the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. You yourself agreed that the former GPM was the reservist element of the GDF. You do realize also that any Militia in the current United States is private, are not government sponsored and are for the most part, anti-government. You are the one who keeps "answering" questions with "obvious" and "reasons I wouldn't care to understand" and "use Google". So either explain all those differences and obvious reasons for those of us who aren't experts on the GDF and Guyana's military such as yourself, unless as I have said before, you haven't the faintest idea about what you think you know, or, take a dignified exit from this discussion instead of continuing to look like an idiot.

No need for you to humor me. You first post on this thread contested the GPM as a separate entity and you want it to remain a part of the GDF out of your concern that it is an arm of the PNC. Correct? I have provided ample reason why it should remain separate. I'm not taking the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. The GPM is a regional reservist, citizen-army, managed and controller by the national government. It is NOT anti-govt, obviously. It is NOT private. It can be used to supplement GDF forces in times of need but cannot be under the umbrella of the GDF for a number of reasons, mainly, at its heyday and at full strength it was probably close in numbers to the GDF, there is a massive cultural difference between the two organizations that would easily evolve into conflict, different functionality and operational expectations. What else would you like me to explain?

Whatever I think I know about Guyana's military would far surpass your knowledge if only by virtue of my personal experience.

Not all militia in the US is private. If you were anything but a grunt in the US army you would know that.

Beg some more and I'll consider leaving you alone.

Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

At this point I am thoroughly convinced that you're an idiot. You wrote the above and now you write the highlighted part. Spending a few extra second to think before you write will serve you well. What massive cultural differences? Are you now grasping at straws? What Militia in the current United States is government sponsored? As for me being a grunt, remember your ASSumptions earlier. The military can be broken down into two major groups. Those with the ability to think and those who are necessary to serve those who think. You fall into the latter category. Based on what you've written here I can  sure of only two things, you know your left from your right and you know how to salute and say yes sir.  

antabanta posted:

Let's take a different approach. Since you insist on comparing Guyana's military with the US, under which wing of the US military are the reserves managed - National Guard, Organized Militia, Unorganized Militia?

That's a stupid question. All branches of the military regular and reserve fall under the executive branch at all times. The National Guard falls under State control during peace and under Executive Branch/President during deployment.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

No need for you to humor me. You first post on this thread contested the GPM as a separate entity and you want it to remain a part of the GDF out of your concern that it is an arm of the PNC. Correct? I have provided ample reason why it should remain separate. I'm not taking the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. The GPM is a regional reservist, citizen-army, managed and controller by the national government. It is NOT anti-govt, obviously. It is NOT private. It can be used to supplement GDF forces in times of need but cannot be under the umbrella of the GDF for a number of reasons, mainly, at its heyday and at full strength it was probably close in numbers to the GDF, there is a massive cultural difference between the two organizations that would easily evolve into conflict, different functionality and operational expectations. What else would you like me to explain?

Whatever I think I know about Guyana's military would far surpass your knowledge if only by virtue of my personal experience.

Not all militia in the US is private. If you were anything but a grunt in the US army you would know that.

Beg some more and I'll consider leaving you alone.

Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

At this point I am thoroughly convinced that you're an idiot. You wrote the above and now you write the highlighted part. Spending a few extra second to think before you write will serve you well. What massive cultural differences? Are you now grasping at straws? What Militia in the current United States is government sponsored? As for me being a grunt, remember your ASSumptions earlier. The military can be broken down into two major groups. Those with the ability to think and those who are necessary to serve those who think. You fall into the latter category. Based on what you've written here I can  sure of only two things, you know your left from your right and you know how to salute and say yes sir.  

Well ... my idiocy is why I need to learn from your genius. Let's examine the two statements.

The GPM is a regional reservist, citizen-army, managed and controller by the national government. --- first statement by yours truly.

Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force. ---- second statement by yours truly.

Assuming it's not my typo in controller instead of controlled, what about these two statements is giving you trouble? Let me clarify the second statement. Training is done by regular troops within the GPM but supplemented by troops from the GDF, at least at the commissioned officer level. It is regional - the GPM is divided by region from 1 to 10 with regional training staff. Cool so far? The members train part-time, one weekend a month plus two weeks in the beginning of the year and two weeks at the end of the year. That qualifies the terms regional reservist, citizen-army? Yes? Nod so we'll know you understand. Supplies, training objectives, training guidelines, admin and logistics, senior and junior leadership are all provided from a single HQ which qualifies it as being centrally controlled. Nod again. It is in effect a centrally controlled citizen-army of reservists. If you still don't understand, take two aspirins, sleep it off and come again tomorrow.

So you don't know that the National Guard is an organized militia organized by each state and territory of the US? Are you sure you finished boot camp? Any person of any regular military service and with half a brain, knows that regular forces always look down upon reservists as part-time soldiers. Are you sure you finished boot camp?

You might be wrong about me. Sometimes I get my left and right mixed up but I do know how to salute and say yes sir. I also know more about the GDF, GPM, and Guyana than you ever will no matter how much you rant and rave. It's distressing that someone with your genius is having so much trouble understanding my simple explanations about GDF/GPM.

Since you neglected to say anything about the rest of my last post, should I dare assume you agree with everything other than the sentences you misunderstood and tried to throw back at me as conflicting?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Let's take a different approach. Since you insist on comparing Guyana's military with the US, under which wing of the US military are the reserves managed - National Guard, Organized Militia, Unorganized Militia?

That's a stupid question. All branches of the military regular and reserve fall under the executive branch at all times. The National Guard falls under State control during peace and under Executive Branch/President during deployment.

Perhaps you responded with a stupid answer because the question is too stupid for your genius. The executive branch/president and the state are not wings of the military. Since you insist reservists of the GPM and regular forces of the GDF not be separate and you insist on comparing the military in Guyana with that of the US, I repeat, under which wing of the US military - army, navy, air force, special forces - do the reserves fall? And don't be stupid enough to fool yourself that my mild answers and your hostility mean you can bully me and bamboozle yourself into a position of supremacy with insults and name-calling. Simple question: which military wing of the US armed forces is responsible for admin and logistics and coordinating all activities of the reserves - the national guard and the unorganized militia?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

No need for you to humor me. You first post on this thread contested the GPM as a separate entity and you want it to remain a part of the GDF out of your concern that it is an arm of the PNC. Correct? I have provided ample reason why it should remain separate. I'm not taking the criteria for a reservist force and applying them to a militia. The GPM is a regional reservist, citizen-army, managed and controller by the national government. It is NOT anti-govt, obviously. It is NOT private. It can be used to supplement GDF forces in times of need but cannot be under the umbrella of the GDF for a number of reasons, mainly, at its heyday and at full strength it was probably close in numbers to the GDF, there is a massive cultural difference between the two organizations that would easily evolve into conflict, different functionality and operational expectations. What else would you like me to explain?

Whatever I think I know about Guyana's military would far surpass your knowledge if only by virtue of my personal experience.

Not all militia in the US is private. If you were anything but a grunt in the US army you would know that.

Beg some more and I'll consider leaving you alone.

Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

At this point I am thoroughly convinced that you're an idiot. You wrote the above and now you write the highlighted part. Spending a few extra second to think before you write will serve you well. What massive cultural differences? Are you now grasping at straws? What Militia in the current United States is government sponsored? As for me being a grunt, remember your ASSumptions earlier. The military can be broken down into two major groups. Those with the ability to think and those who are necessary to serve those who think. You fall into the latter category. Based on what you've written here I can  sure of only two things, you know your left from your right and you know how to salute and say yes sir.  

Well ... my idiocy is why I need to learn from your genius. Let's examine the two statements.

The GPM is a regional reservist, citizen-army, managed and controller by the national government. --- first statement by yours truly.

Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force. ---- second statement by yours truly.

Assuming it's not my typo in controller instead of controlled, what about these two statements is giving you trouble? Let me clarify the second statement. Training is done by regular troops within the GPM but supplemented by troops from the GDF, at least at the commissioned officer level. It is regional - the GPM is divided by region from 1 to 10 with regional training staff. Cool so far? The members train part-time, one weekend a month plus two weeks in the beginning of the year and two weeks at the end of the year. That qualifies the terms regional reservist, citizen-army? Yes? Nod so we'll know you understand. Supplies, training objectives, training guidelines, admin and logistics, senior and junior leadership are all provided from a single HQ which qualifies it as being centrally controlled. Nod again. It is in effect a centrally controlled citizen-army of reservists. If you still don't understand, take two aspirins, sleep it off and come again tomorrow.

So you don't know that the National Guard is an organized militia organized by each state and territory of the US? Are you sure you finished boot camp? Any person of any regular military service and with half a brain, knows that regular forces always look down upon reservists as part-time soldiers. Are you sure you finished boot camp?

You might be wrong about me. Sometimes I get my left and right mixed up but I do know how to salute and say yes sir. I also know more about the GDF, GPM, and Guyana than you ever will no matter how much you rant and rave. It's distressing that someone with your genius is having so much trouble understanding my simple explanations about GDF/GPM.

Since you neglected to say anything about the rest of my last post, should I dare assume you agree with everything other than the sentences you misunderstood and tried to throw back at me as conflicting?

You can assume whatever you want. It's of no consequence to me.

GTAngler posted:
Ray posted:

yall still going at it

Not anymore. All jokes aside, Anta seems to be an intelligent chap but his dogmatic attitude precludes him from rational thinking. 

Really? I reported to you and explained the structure of an organization based on my personal experience as an active member of that organization. It's not my belief. It's what is or was. That has noting to do with dogma.

You erred in arguing that the GPM should be separate from the GDF based on your knowledge of the US military and when I'm about to nail your hide by proving that you're not as knowledgeable of the US or any military as you think, and that the reserve in the US military is quite distinct and separate from the regular forces, you pull a little weasling stunt to escape. At least have the guts to admit you made a mistake.

Also.... tell your chicken-shit friend Yuji to come and make another chicken-shit comment.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
Ray posted:

yall still going at it

Not anymore. All jokes aside, Anta seems to be an intelligent chap but his dogmatic attitude precludes him from rational thinking. 

Really? I reported to you and explained the structure of an organization based on my personal experience as an active member of that organization. It's not my belief. It's what is or was. That has noting to do with dogma.

You erred in arguing that the GPM should be separate from the GDF based on your knowledge of the US military and when I'm about to nail your hide by proving that you're not as knowledgeable of the US or any military as you think, and that the reserve in the US military is quite distinct and separate from the regular forces, you pull a little weasling stunt to escape. At least have the guts to admit you made a mistake.

Also.... tell your chicken-shit friend Yuji to come and make another chicken-shit comment.

You aren't capable also Yuji and I don't exactly see eye to eye but I am sure you are more chicken shit than he is. Revel in your dogmatic (I said it again) ignorance.

One last thing.....read below. Pay close attention to the highlighted part.

"Much of America's Army's capacity is resident in the Reserve Components, and we must rely more heavily on them to meet the demands of a complex global environment," Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army, Gen. Mark Milley said today in an Army press release. "The Associated Units pilot allows us to leverage the capabilities and capacities of the active component, Army Reserve and the Army National Guard as one Army."

The first of these unit associations will occur in Georgia. The 1st Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, an active-Army infantry battalion stationed on Fort Benning will be associated with the 48th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, a Georgia Army National Guard unit.

The 48th Infantry Brigade, meanwhile, will also be associated with the active component's 3rd Infantry Division, stationed on Fort Stewart, Georgia.

"The soldiers of Task Force 1-28 and the soldiers of the Georgia Army National Guard's 48th Infantry Brigade will wear the patch of the 3rd Infantry Division," Lt. Gen. Timothy J. Kadavy, Director of the Army National Guard said.

"This brigade will train and, if called to do so, deploy and fight with the 3rd Infantry Division as an Associated Unit. These units will develop relationships and standards in home station so they may fight together in combat without having to meet on the battlefield and figure these things out."

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
Ray posted:

yall still going at it

Not anymore. All jokes aside, Anta seems to be an intelligent chap but his dogmatic attitude precludes him from rational thinking. 

Really? I reported to you and explained the structure of an organization based on my personal experience as an active member of that organization. It's not my belief. It's what is or was. That has noting to do with dogma.

You erred in arguing that the GPM should be separate from the GDF based on your knowledge of the US military and when I'm about to nail your hide by proving that you're not as knowledgeable of the US or any military as you think, and that the reserve in the US military is quite distinct and separate from the regular forces, you pull a little weasling stunt to escape. At least have the guts to admit you made a mistake.

Also.... tell your chicken-shit friend Yuji to come and make another chicken-shit comment.

You aren't capable also Yuji and I don't exactly see eye to eye but I am sure you are more chicken shit than he is. Revel in your dogmatic (I said it again) ignorance.

Obviously, you belong to that group in the habit of making unsubstantiated pronouncements. Saying it again only proves your further ignorance of the word dogma. And you called me an idiot? Stchuups. You ain't ready yet. I've rebuffed your idiotic comments in detail, proving your ignorance on the matter and your stupidity in entering a discussion about something you know nothing about. Grow up.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
Ray posted:

yall still going at it

Not anymore. All jokes aside, Anta seems to be an intelligent chap but his dogmatic attitude precludes him from rational thinking. 

Really? I reported to you and explained the structure of an organization based on my personal experience as an active member of that organization. It's not my belief. It's what is or was. That has noting to do with dogma.

You erred in arguing that the GPM should be separate from the GDF based on your knowledge of the US military and when I'm about to nail your hide by proving that you're not as knowledgeable of the US or any military as you think, and that the reserve in the US military is quite distinct and separate from the regular forces, you pull a little weasling stunt to escape. At least have the guts to admit you made a mistake.

Also.... tell your chicken-shit friend Yuji to come and make another chicken-shit comment.

You aren't capable also Yuji and I don't exactly see eye to eye but I am sure you are more chicken shit than he is. Revel in your dogmatic (I said it again) ignorance.

Obviously, you belong to that group in the habit of making unsubstantiated pronouncements. Saying it again only proves your further ignorance of the word dogma. And you called me an idiot? Stchuups. You ain't ready yet. I've rebuffed your idiotic comments in detail, proving your ignorance on the matter and your stupidity in entering a discussion about something you know nothing about. Grow up.

Predictable response. Care to comment on the rest of the post or did I confuse you?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
Ray posted:

yall still going at it

Not anymore. All jokes aside, Anta seems to be an intelligent chap but his dogmatic attitude precludes him from rational thinking. 

Really? I reported to you and explained the structure of an organization based on my personal experience as an active member of that organization. It's not my belief. It's what is or was. That has noting to do with dogma.

You erred in arguing that the GPM should be separate from the GDF based on your knowledge of the US military and when I'm about to nail your hide by proving that you're not as knowledgeable of the US or any military as you think, and that the reserve in the US military is quite distinct and separate from the regular forces, you pull a little weasling stunt to escape. At least have the guts to admit you made a mistake.

Also.... tell your chicken-shit friend Yuji to come and make another chicken-shit comment.

You aren't capable also Yuji and I don't exactly see eye to eye but I am sure you are more chicken shit than he is. Revel in your dogmatic (I said it again) ignorance.

One last thing.....read below. Pay close attention to the highlighted part.

"Much of America's Army's capacity is resident in the Reserve Components, and we must rely more heavily on them to meet the demands of a complex global environment," Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army, Gen. Mark Milley said today in an Army press release. "The Associated Units pilot allows us to leverage the capabilities and capacities of the active component, Army Reserve and the Army National Guard as one Army."

The first of these unit associations will occur in Georgia. The 1st Battalion, 28th Infantry Regiment, an active-Army infantry battalion stationed on Fort Benning will be associated with the 48th Infantry Brigade Combat Team, a Georgia Army National Guard unit.

The 48th Infantry Brigade, meanwhile, will also be associated with the active component's 3rd Infantry Division, stationed on Fort Stewart, Georgia.

"The soldiers of Task Force 1-28 and the soldiers of the Georgia Army National Guard's 48th Infantry Brigade will wear the patch of the 3rd Infantry Division," Lt. Gen. Timothy J. Kadavy, Director of the Army National Guard said.

"This brigade will train and, if called to do so, deploy and fight with the 3rd Infantry Division as an Associated Unit. These units will develop relationships and standards in home station so they may fight together in combat without having to meet on the battlefield and figure these things out."

It's good of you to try to learn but you neglected to read enough. The Associated Units is a pilot program started in 2016 and meant to last for three years. We are yet to see the results. And you have the gall to call me an idiot? sthuups.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
Ray posted:

yall still going at it

Not anymore. All jokes aside, Anta seems to be an intelligent chap but his dogmatic attitude precludes him from rational thinking. 

Really? I reported to you and explained the structure of an organization based on my personal experience as an active member of that organization. It's not my belief. It's what is or was. That has noting to do with dogma.

You erred in arguing that the GPM should be separate from the GDF based on your knowledge of the US military and when I'm about to nail your hide by proving that you're not as knowledgeable of the US or any military as you think, and that the reserve in the US military is quite distinct and separate from the regular forces, you pull a little weasling stunt to escape. At least have the guts to admit you made a mistake.

Also.... tell your chicken-shit friend Yuji to come and make another chicken-shit comment.

You aren't capable also Yuji and I don't exactly see eye to eye but I am sure you are more chicken shit than he is. Revel in your dogmatic (I said it again) ignorance.

Obviously, you belong to that group in the habit of making unsubstantiated pronouncements. Saying it again only proves your further ignorance of the word dogma. And you called me an idiot? Stchuups. You ain't ready yet. I've rebuffed your idiotic comments in detail, proving your ignorance on the matter and your stupidity in entering a discussion about something you know nothing about. Grow up.

Predictable response. Care to comment on the rest of the post or did I confuse you?

Well... you are a very confusing person but I've done a good of job of detailing your ignorance. It was cool of you to throw in the term "predictable response." I like that phrase myself but only use it when appropriate. I can teach you if you're willing to learn.

BTW... all the articles on Google about the US military will never make you more knowledgeable of the GDF/GPM. But keep trying.

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