PEOPLE'S MILITIA/ PNC MILITIA.

antabanta posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

Precisely. Perfect examples are Israel and Vietnam during the US invasion.

Those are precisely two wrong examples. First of all they both have  homogeneous populations. I assume in the case of Vietnam you mean the Vietcong. The Vietcong were a full time Communist Guerilla Army. Let's not beat around the bush. The GPM was a Paramilitary Force that supported the PNC. As I asked before what will be different in their mandate this time around? Let's differentiate between a Part-time military force that augments the army and a Political Military Arm of the Government. In Guyana's case, what is the difference between Army Reserves who are part-time soldiers and a militia?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

Then explain why Guyana does need a militia.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

The GPM was structured differently. The training and recruitment were both coordinated centrally. It costs less than the standing army to maintain because the forces are part-time and receive a small stipend for their efforts. Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

There you go. So why not just increase the size of the GDF Reserves?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

Precisely. Perfect examples are Israel and Vietnam during the US invasion.

Those are precisely two wrong examples. First of all they both have  homogeneous populations. I assume in the case of Vietnam you mean the Vietcong. The Vietcong were a full time Communist Guerilla Army. Let's not beat around the bush. The GPM was a Paramilitary Force that supported the PNC. As I asked before what will be different in their mandate this time around? Let's differentiate between a Part-time military force that augments the army and a Political Military Arm of the Government. In Guyana's case, what is the difference between Army Reserves who are part-time soldiers and a militia?

Guyana's militia is an army of reservists. What does the militia have to do with the homogeneity of a population? Is your rejection of the GPM based on your view of it as a force that supported the PNC or because you genuinely think it's not needed?

A militia in South Vietnam was used to defend against North Vietnam. The viet cong used cadres of peasants to fight.

The GPM was never mandated as a political arm of the govt. The military and para-military units in Guyana, by their mission statements, are not party oriented. That may not be true in practice but the influence is largely race-based, hence party.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

So far no one seems to be addressing the fact that Guyana does NOT need a Militia. 

You keep insinuating this without saying why. Why do you think Guyana does NOT need a militia?

Then explain why Guyana does need a militia.

I did already. A few times.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

The GPM was structured differently. The training and recruitment were both coordinated centrally. It costs less than the standing army to maintain because the forces are part-time and receive a small stipend for their efforts. Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

There you go. So why not just increase the size of the GDF Reserves?

What reserves?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

The GPM was structured differently. The training and recruitment were both coordinated centrally. It costs less than the standing army to maintain because the forces are part-time and receive a small stipend for their efforts. Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

There you go. So why not just increase the size of the GDF Reserves?

What reserves?

Isn't the 2nd Infantry Battalion comprised of a regular and a reserve element? What exactly is the reserve element?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

Precisely. Perfect examples are Israel and Vietnam during the US invasion.

Those are precisely two wrong examples. First of all they both have  homogeneous populations. I assume in the case of Vietnam you mean the Vietcong. The Vietcong were a full time Communist Guerilla Army. Let's not beat around the bush. The GPM was a Paramilitary Force that supported the PNC. As I asked before what will be different in their mandate this time around? Let's differentiate between a Part-time military force that augments the army and a Political Military Arm of the Government. In Guyana's case, what is the difference between Army Reserves who are part-time soldiers and a militia?

Guyana's militia is an army of reservists. What does the militia have to do with the homogeneity of a population? Is your rejection of the GPM based on your view of it as a force that supported the PNC or because you genuinely think it's not needed?

A militia in South Vietnam was used to defend against North Vietnam. The viet cong used cadres of peasants to fight.

The GPM was never mandated as a political arm of the govt. The military and para-military units in Guyana, by their mission statements, are not party oriented. That may not be true in practice but the influence is largely race-based, hence party.

Surely you jest. When you have basically one race and one religion, it's easy to have a citizen army. When you have a division as in Guyana's case it's different. My reasons for thinking Guyana does not need a MILITIA are a combination of several factors. Some of which you have touched above. We need a reserve force as part of the GDF. What we need even more is more police. Maybe an auxiliary police force.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

The GPM was structured differently. The training and recruitment were both coordinated centrally. It costs less than the standing army to maintain because the forces are part-time and receive a small stipend for their efforts. Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

There you go. So why not just increase the size of the GDF Reserves?

What reserves?

Isn't the 2nd Infantry Battalion comprised of a regular and a reserve element? What exactly is the reserve element?

2nd Infantry is what used to be the GPM now made up of only four regular companies that are considered reserves, not reservists. 2nd Infantry is a very small reserve force. Increasing the size of the GDF would be ineffective for a small country. Training the citizens would be more effective. What is your objection to training citizens to defend themselves and their country?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

Precisely. Perfect examples are Israel and Vietnam during the US invasion.

Those are precisely two wrong examples. First of all they both have  homogeneous populations. I assume in the case of Vietnam you mean the Vietcong. The Vietcong were a full time Communist Guerilla Army. Let's not beat around the bush. The GPM was a Paramilitary Force that supported the PNC. As I asked before what will be different in their mandate this time around? Let's differentiate between a Part-time military force that augments the army and a Political Military Arm of the Government. In Guyana's case, what is the difference between Army Reserves who are part-time soldiers and a militia?

Guyana's militia is an army of reservists. What does the militia have to do with the homogeneity of a population? Is your rejection of the GPM based on your view of it as a force that supported the PNC or because you genuinely think it's not needed?

A militia in South Vietnam was used to defend against North Vietnam. The viet cong used cadres of peasants to fight.

The GPM was never mandated as a political arm of the govt. The military and para-military units in Guyana, by their mission statements, are not party oriented. That may not be true in practice but the influence is largely race-based, hence party.

Surely you jest. When you have basically one race and one religion, it's easy to have a citizen army. When you have a division as in Guyana's case it's different. My reasons for thinking Guyana does not need a MILITIA are a combination of several factors. Some of which you have touched above. We need a reserve force as part of the GDF. What we need even more is more police. Maybe an auxiliary police force.

Why would I surely jest? Your hesitation to stand beside your countryman of a different race to defend your homeland does not apply to all.

The need for more police is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

I have always been in favor of a strong military. Guyana needs to be able to defend itself. The problem is, we don't have the money. A reserve force is absolutely a necessity but it should be an arm of the GDF. A militia as I said before is a localized citizen army. We have less than a million people. One centralized government. We don't have state or provincial governments. Even the US National Guard reports first to the governor. 

The GPM was structured differently. The training and recruitment were both coordinated centrally. It costs less than the standing army to maintain because the forces are part-time and receive a small stipend for their efforts. Training is done by regular army forces seconded to the GPM. It was/is in effect a centrally controlled reserve force.

There you go. So why not just increase the size of the GDF Reserves?

What reserves?

Isn't the 2nd Infantry Battalion comprised of a regular and a reserve element? What exactly is the reserve element?

2nd Infantry is what used to be the GPM now made up of only four regular companies that are considered reserves, not reservists. 2nd Infantry is a very small reserve force. Increasing the size of the GDF would be ineffective for a small country. Training the citizens would be more effective. What is your objection to training citizens to defend themselves and their country?

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:

That same argument can be used to question the existence of the GDF. Every nation needs a defence force. I think Guyana would do better with a large militia (every citizen a soldier) and small standing army. It's difficult to overcome any nation where every citizen can take up arms in defence.

Especially when small poor countries can't afford some of the modern military equipment.

Precisely. Perfect examples are Israel and Vietnam during the US invasion.

Those are precisely two wrong examples. First of all they both have  homogeneous populations. I assume in the case of Vietnam you mean the Vietcong. The Vietcong were a full time Communist Guerilla Army. Let's not beat around the bush. The GPM was a Paramilitary Force that supported the PNC. As I asked before what will be different in their mandate this time around? Let's differentiate between a Part-time military force that augments the army and a Political Military Arm of the Government. In Guyana's case, what is the difference between Army Reserves who are part-time soldiers and a militia?

Guyana's militia is an army of reservists. What does the militia have to do with the homogeneity of a population? Is your rejection of the GPM based on your view of it as a force that supported the PNC or because you genuinely think it's not needed?

A militia in South Vietnam was used to defend against North Vietnam. The viet cong used cadres of peasants to fight.

The GPM was never mandated as a political arm of the govt. The military and para-military units in Guyana, by their mission statements, are not party oriented. That may not be true in practice but the influence is largely race-based, hence party.

Surely you jest. When you have basically one race and one religion, it's easy to have a citizen army. When you have a division as in Guyana's case it's different. My reasons for thinking Guyana does not need a MILITIA are a combination of several factors. Some of which you have touched above. We need a reserve force as part of the GDF. What we need even more is more police. Maybe an auxiliary police force.

Why would I surely jest? Your hesitation to stand beside your countryman of a different race to defend your homeland does not apply to all.

The need for more police is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

Don't be stupid. Are you reading just what you want to? Where did I say anything about hesitating to defend my country. I am saying that instead of a militia as in the old GPM, just let them be a part of the GDF and I said what we need even more is stronger policing. A citizen army is more important than the safety of the citizens themselves?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
 

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

All the military and para-military at some point, be it at the COS level or CIC level, come under the same central command. The reason for the separation is the same reason why units come under different leadership - from squad to brigade to army to force.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Why would I surely jest? Your hesitation to stand beside your countryman of a different race to defend your homeland does not apply to all.

The need for more police is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

Don't be stupid. Are you reading just what you want to? Where did I say anything about hesitating to defend my country. I am saying that instead of a militia as in the old GPM, just let them be a part of the GDF and I said what we need even more is stronger policing. A citizen army is more important than the safety of the citizens themselves?

I must be stupid because I could swear you wrote this: "When you have basically one race and one religion, it's easy to have a citizen army. When you have a division as in Guyana's case it's different." This is one of your reasons for objecting to the GPM or did your fingers just type without your brain's knowledge?

Again... because I'm stupid, the need for stronger policing is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

 

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Why would I surely jest? Your hesitation to stand beside your countryman of a different race to defend your homeland does not apply to all.

The need for more police is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

Don't be stupid. Are you reading just what you want to? Where did I say anything about hesitating to defend my country. I am saying that instead of a militia as in the old GPM, just let them be a part of the GDF and I said what we need even more is stronger policing. A citizen army is more important than the safety of the citizens themselves?

I must be stupid because I could swear you wrote this: "When you have basically one race and one religion, it's easy to have a citizen army. When you have a division as in Guyana's case it's different." This is one of your reasons for objecting to the GPM or did your fingers just type without your brain's knowledge?

Again... because I'm stupid, the need for stronger policing is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

 

AGREED. I absolutely did write that. It means when you have a homogeneous population with different ideologies but same race, it's easier to put them together in a citizen army. Have you forgotten the disparity in race in the GDF and the former GPM. The only place where it was more representative of the population was the GNS and that's because it was mandatory. You still haven't explained the difference between the militia and a reservist arm of the GDF and how it will be more cost effective.

Prince posted:
skeldon_man posted:

All PNC card-carrying members will be the militia. Keep them happy.

Skelly, how fast you does run when you see black man? 

Almost as fast as when he sees a PNC black woman.  He and yuji lived in pure terror of PNC black women after the election.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
 

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

All the military and para-military at some point, be it at the COS level or CIC level, come under the same central command. The reason for the separation is the same reason why units come under different leadership - from squad to brigade to army to force.

That's your difference? At this point it's ludicrous to entertain any sort of discussion with you.

Prashad posted:

I suppose a militia based on Malcolm Haripaul's model of a people's Militia not the model of the old PNC days. When eventually Guyana East Indians, Douglas and allies get their own sovereign country in the future then they should adopt a system of mass military training for the entire population based on the type of system that Israel has now. It serves to protect the nation from outside attacks and it also safeguards democracy internally.

 

The PNC wins 40+% of the votes ON ITS OWN.  The large % of the AFC votes also comes from non Indians.

I will suggest to you that the "douglas" aren't loyally Indian as you will think.  Especially as until recently they were treated as an embarrassment and evidence of "immoral" behavior (mating with a black man).

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Why would I surely jest? Your hesitation to stand beside your countryman of a different race to defend your homeland does not apply to all.

The need for more police is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

Don't be stupid. Are you reading just what you want to? Where did I say anything about hesitating to defend my country. I am saying that instead of a militia as in the old GPM, just let them be a part of the GDF and I said what we need even more is stronger policing. A citizen army is more important than the safety of the citizens themselves?

I must be stupid because I could swear you wrote this: "When you have basically one race and one religion, it's easy to have a citizen army. When you have a division as in Guyana's case it's different." This is one of your reasons for objecting to the GPM or did your fingers just type without your brain's knowledge?

Again... because I'm stupid, the need for stronger policing is irrelevant to the need for a citizen army.

 

AGREED. I absolutely did write that. It means when you have a homogeneous population with different ideologies but same race, it's easier to put them together in a citizen army. Have you forgotten the disparity in race in the GDF and the former GPM. The only place where it was more representative of the population was the GNS and that's because it was mandatory. You still haven't explained the difference between the militia and a reservist arm of the GDF and how it will be more cost effective.

So I'm not stupid? Thank you so much.

The disparity in Guyana's military is politically driven and not representative of the camaraderie existing despite racial differences. If this is your objection to the GPM, why have a national army, police, or any national organization, military or civilian?

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
 

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

All the military and para-military at some point, be it at the COS level or CIC level, come under the same central command. The reason for the separation is the same reason why units come under different leadership - from squad to brigade to army to force.

That's your difference? At this point it's ludicrous to entertain any sort of discussion with you.

No sir, it's not MY difference, it's THE difference. Your objections are baseless because you have no understanding of the issue.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
 

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

All the military and para-military at some point, be it at the COS level or CIC level, come under the same central command. The reason for the separation is the same reason why units come under different leadership - from squad to brigade to army to force.

That's your difference? At this point it's ludicrous to entertain any sort of discussion with you.

No sir, it's not MY difference, it's THE difference. Your objections are baseless because you have no understanding of the issue.

I am going to try this one more time. So why not another brigade, battalion, company etc. of "reservists"? Same structure, same chain of command, same training, same infrastructure, same everything.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
 

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

All the military and para-military at some point, be it at the COS level or CIC level, come under the same central command. The reason for the separation is the same reason why units come under different leadership - from squad to brigade to army to force.

That's your difference? At this point it's ludicrous to entertain any sort of discussion with you.

No sir, it's not MY difference, it's THE difference. Your objections are baseless because you have no understanding of the issue.

I am going to try this one more time. So why not another brigade, battalion, company etc. of "reservists"? Same structure, same chain of command, same training, same infrastructure, same everything.

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
 

No objection at all. I don't get it. What exactly is the difference, in Guyana's case, between your militia and the GDF having reservists? Reservists are citizens with regular jobs and lives who train a few days and are there to augment the regulars. Instead of increasing the GDF with reservists you think creating a separate army trained by the GDF and under the same central command is different and better? How so?

All the military and para-military at some point, be it at the COS level or CIC level, come under the same central command. The reason for the separation is the same reason why units come under different leadership - from squad to brigade to army to force.

That's your difference? At this point it's ludicrous to entertain any sort of discussion with you.

No sir, it's not MY difference, it's THE difference. Your objections are baseless because you have no understanding of the issue.

I am going to try this one more time. So why not another brigade, battalion, company etc. of "reservists"? Same structure, same chain of command, same training, same infrastructure, same everything.

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

GTAngler posted:

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

As a former GDF officer who was seconded to the GPM as training officer, I'm glad you understand and accept the distinction between the GPM and the GDF.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

As a former GDF officer who was seconded to the GPM as training officer, I'm glad you understand and accept the distinction between the GPM and the GDF.

I figured you were part of the GPM. I don't think you quite grasped what I was trying to explain. In this particular instance the GPM was the GDF's "reservist" force by a different name. It also meant that by being called a "militia", they could be called out in times of civil unrest or in this case, PNC bullying.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

As a former GDF officer who was seconded to the GPM as training officer, I'm glad you understand and accept the distinction between the GPM and the GDF.

I figured you were part of the GPM. I don't think you quite grasped what I was trying to explain. In this particular instance the GPM was the GDF's "reservist" force by a different name. It also meant that by being called a "militia", they could be called out in times of civil unrest or in this case, PNC bullying.

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

And you still have no idea what you're talking about.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

As a former GDF officer who was seconded to the GPM as training officer, I'm glad you understand and accept the distinction between the GPM and the GDF.

I figured you were part of the GPM. I don't think you quite grasped what I was trying to explain. In this particular instance the GPM was the GDF's "reservist" force by a different name. It also meant that by being called a "militia", they could be called out in times of civil unrest or in this case, PNC bullying.

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

And you still have no idea what you're talking about.

Never assume anything about anyone. However, I'll let you dig yourself deeper. Explain please why logistically a regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit but can be with a militia.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

As a former GDF officer who was seconded to the GPM as training officer, I'm glad you understand and accept the distinction between the GPM and the GDF.

I figured you were part of the GPM. I don't think you quite grasped what I was trying to explain. In this particular instance the GPM was the GDF's "reservist" force by a different name. It also meant that by being called a "militia", they could be called out in times of civil unrest or in this case, PNC bullying.

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

And you still have no idea what you're talking about.

Never assume anything about anyone. However, I'll let you dig yourself deeper. Explain please why logistically a regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit but can be with a militia.

No assumption. It's an accurate conclusion elicited from your words.

Have you tried google?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
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Wow... a breakthrough! That's exactly how it is. The GPM is another unit of Guyana's military, consisting of reservists, led by a commandante who reports to the COS.

Took you some time but I'm glad you finally figured out what I was saying.......

As a former GDF officer who was seconded to the GPM as training officer, I'm glad you understand and accept the distinction between the GPM and the GDF.

I figured you were part of the GPM. I don't think you quite grasped what I was trying to explain. In this particular instance the GPM was the GDF's "reservist" force by a different name. It also meant that by being called a "militia", they could be called out in times of civil unrest or in this case, PNC bullying.

I understand exactly what you're saying. I also understand your angst against the GPM is PNC based. I'm trying to explain to you, politics aside and regardless of the PNC, the GPM is a necessity for a small country like Guyana. Your dissent was not based on any practical value but on your discontent with the PNC. You knew nothing about the structure, and probably don't care, your argument being supplemented by meager information garnered from a few searches. A regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit under normal operations for any number of organizational reasons which I suspect you really don't care about.

And you still have no idea what you're talking about.

Never assume anything about anyone. However, I'll let you dig yourself deeper. Explain please why logistically a regular army cannot be mixed with a reserve unit but can be with a militia.

No assumption. It's an accurate conclusion elicited from your words.

Have you tried google?

Oh then please Mr. General, explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular army can.

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Oh then please Mr. General, explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular army can.

Have you tried google?

Google is for those pretentious idiots like you. You made a statement insinuating I don't understand, now back it up. I showed a co-worker who also happens to be prior military and his response was "is this dude for real?". I guess it's the same in the GDF as it is in everything else in Guyana. It's who you know because I doubt you would have made it past lance corporal otherwise.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Oh then please Mr. General, explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular army can.

Have you tried google?

Google is for those pretentious idiots like you. You made a statement insinuating I don't understand, now back it up. I showed a co-worker who also happens to be prior military and his response was "is this dude for real?". I guess it's the same in the GDF as it is in everything else in Guyana. It's who you know because I doubt you would have made it past lance corporal otherwise.

Doesn't having to confer with your coworker make it clear you don't know what you're talking about? What about my position is your coworker questioning?

antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Oh then please Mr. General, explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular army can.

Have you tried google?

Google is for those pretentious idiots like you. You made a statement insinuating I don't understand, now back it up. I showed a co-worker who also happens to be prior military and his response was "is this dude for real?". I guess it's the same in the GDF as it is in everything else in Guyana. It's who you know because I doubt you would have made it past lance corporal otherwise.

Doesn't having to confer with your coworker make it clear you don't know what you're talking about? What about my position is your coworker questioning?

Just wanted to make it unanimous that you have no idea about what you pretend to know.

GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:
GTAngler posted:

Oh then please Mr. General, explain logistically why a reserve unit and a regular unit cannot be coordinated but a militia and a regular army can.

Have you tried google?

Google is for those pretentious idiots like you. You made a statement insinuating I don't understand, now back it up. I showed a co-worker who also happens to be prior military and his response was "is this dude for real?". I guess it's the same in the GDF as it is in everything else in Guyana. It's who you know because I doubt you would have made it past lance corporal otherwise.

Doesn't having to confer with your coworker make it clear you don't know what you're talking about? What about my position is your coworker questioning?

Just wanted to make it unanimous that you have no idea about what you pretend to know.

You can't do better than that? I have a State Commission signed by the president of Guyana and a green book from the GDF attesting to my commission and service. My comments are based on experience and knowledge, not idle speculation and consultations with co-workers.

So... to recap. You oppose the re-creation of the GPM under the notion that it is aligned with the PNC and you have no knowledge of the military or its organization. You assume, although aware enough of the dangers of assumption to caution others, after a few google searches that Guyana's GPM is similar to the US's Militia, again displaying pure ignorance of Guyana's military/para-military structure. We've clearly established you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. 

If you want to continue a discussion on the merits of Guyana's GPM, without any consideration for political affiliation, please educate yourself first. I suggest you try to understand the differences between the organized and unorganized militia of the US and the differences between those two and the GPM. Try to expand your reading from brief descriptions.

It's been a pleasure toying with you.

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