Not a Sermon only a Thought

seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:
seignet posted:
antabanta posted:

I think this man Keith is nuff mouth - he gone and hide from me again and hoping that Seignet will answer on his behalf.

But I will answer you, tonight. After I talked to God. I will converse with Him. His wisdom is infinite. And the Angels are out, full force in the Third Hour with dreams and prophecies. At 3.00 am I will answer you. I hope the Angels mek yuh dream about yuh queries.   

However, whatever I say will never be acceptable by you. I know so.

But, I will interject my two bit. So nah fuh waste meh time, I asking that the Divine consult wid yuh in the dreams. Dat way, meh answers could clear the air, 

Wahappen bai? Like god didn't show up. It is bigoted of you to demand that be more accepting of other ideas than you are.

This is not a forum where contributors relinquish their opinions, accepting another point of view. Suh, I doan hope for miracles on here. And I doan care either. If a person choose to write something on here, and I am moved to give my opinion, then I do. 

The Spirit did not move me. God always shows up, but not always quick to provide the words of knowledge and wisdom. 

So you were wrong to impose upon me the intervention of your divinity? If you got nothing, you got nothing. No shame in it. And if you can't man up and accept responsibility instead of blaming something else, that cool too.

I think yuh lil bit confused. I never imposed anything on you. I said, maybe God should visit u in dreams and visions seeing yuh dispell His existence and challenge his divinity and wisdom. He choose not to give me any thoughts at that moment. That does not mean He will not answer, so manning up is giving up. I kinda know how God deals with situations.

However, this morning God answered my request. If yuh interested in wah He revealed, then read it yuhself. Job chapter 28. That is a book in the old testament.

All request are met by God, just not on my urgency. God is everything, the Alpha and the Omega. If a person challenges God. And I should read it. One of two things I will do. Perhaps, offer my opinions OR thank God He has given me the ability to know Him. I feel privileged that I am spared the wanderings.

Sorry. I must be seeing things. I could swear this sentence "I hope the Angels mek yuh dream about yuh queries." is up there in your reply somewhere. That's an imposition to my understanding.

I have no interest in what your god revealed to you. You interceded on behalf of someone else and now trying to weasel your way out. So far you still have nothing to say.

It must be your superiority that enables to "know" how god deals. Such a claim is proof that the Christian belief is based on a superiority complex - who knows god and connects with god is allowed to self-aggrandize and "feel priveleged." Who doesn't know god is arbitrarily condemned as inferior and relegated to burn in hell. What in heaven's name makes you think that god, any god, would chose you to connect with? Good luck with your ignorance.

ksazma posted:

Question for those who talk to God. We read that God created Adam and from him created Eve. Through the process of sex,  Adam and Eve got Cain and Abel. Cain then killed Abel. If all births after the creation of Adam and Eve with the exception of Jesus were through the process of sex, how did the world population continued beyond Adam, Eve and Cain?

Read the Bible you will find your answer. Why don't you tell us what your Quran said about how the earth was populated?

By the way, I notice you and your pupil is very tight lip about this pass Sunday series on CNN, "Finding Jesus", How was the show? Did they find him?

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Question for those who talk to God. We read that God created Adam and from him created Eve. Through the process of sex,  Adam and Eve got Cain and Abel. Cain then killed Abel. If all births after the creation of Adam and Eve with the exception of Jesus were through the process of sex, how did the world population continued beyond Adam, Eve and Cain?

Read the Bible you will find your answer. Why don't you tell us what your Quran said about how the earth was populated?

By the way, I notice you and your pupil is very tight lip about this pass Sunday series on CNN, "Finding Jesus", How was the show? Did they find him?

Islam, Christianity and Judaism are known as the Abrahamic Religions. They share a common belief in the origins of man. That is, Adam and Eve were the first two human creations and we are all descended from them.

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:

Question for those who talk to God. We read that God created Adam and from him created Eve. Through the process of sex,  Adam and Eve got Cain and Abel. Cain then killed Abel. If all births after the creation of Adam and Eve with the exception of Jesus were through the process of sex, how did the world population continued beyond Adam, Eve and Cain?

Read the Bible you will find your answer. Why don't you tell us what your Quran said about how the earth was populated?

By the way, I notice you and your pupil is very tight lip about this pass Sunday series on CNN, "Finding Jesus", How was the show? Did they find him?

Sounds like you are not interested in giving your view. That is fine since no one is obligated to answer any questions they don't care to. In that case, I will wait on Siggy's commentary before I give my opinion.

But about the CNN episode last Sunday, I am surprised that you think I was tight lipped about it when I give a very long commentary on page.

Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Terribly weak argument. The sun is a physical object that people can see. Can you see God and point him out to the next person you come into contact with? For your information, it is more reasonable for someone to argue that God does not exist than for someone to argue that God does. That is because that person can easily demonstrate the absence of God in a room while you cannot demonstrate the presence of God in that room. All you have is belief. Don't embarrass yourself by asking for proof of God because you cannot ever prove it.

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Terribly weak argument. The sun is a physical object that people can see. Can you see God and point him out to the next person you come into contact with? For your information, it is more reasonable for someone to argue that God does not exist than for someone to argue that God does. That is because that person can easily demonstrate the absence of God in a room while you cannot demonstrate the presence of God in that room. All you have is belief. Don't embarrass yourself by asking for proof of God because you cannot ever prove it.

No surprise here, you see it as weak due to your inability to comprehend reasoning. 

Keith posted:
ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended, here is why; to say there is no God in an absolute sense preciable infinite knowledge. It's like me saying there is no sun with black dots anywhere in all of this universe. The only way I can say that is if I've comprehensive knowledge of this whole universe. So how can one say there is no God in an absolute sense unless he or she have infinite knowledge and if you do have infinite knowledge you are denying that there is no one in this world with infinite knowledge. Only a thought not a sermon. 

Terribly weak argument. The sun is a physical object that people can see. Can you see God and point him out to the next person you come into contact with? For your information, it is more reasonable for someone to argue that God does not exist than for someone to argue that God does. That is because that person can easily demonstrate the absence of God in a room while you cannot demonstrate the presence of God in that room. All you have is belief. Don't embarrass yourself by asking for proof of God because you cannot ever prove it.

No surprise here, you see it as weak due to your inability to comprehend reasoning. 

I do know how you can put this to rest though. You can post a photo of God holding today's New York Times. This way we will know that it is a current photo of God. This website does allow photo upload.

Over one hour now and counting ......... No photo of God.

So what was that cry again? 

"Keith posted:

For my atheists brothers, I am trying to understand the rational on banking on a faith position that there is no God, I understand it's a faith position that cannot be defended,

Maybe God doesn't like the New York Times. Maybe he thinks it is fake news. I am not picky. He can chose any publication from today. I would even settle for Brietbart News even though I don't care for the. Just want Bro. Keith to post a photo of God holding any current dated newspaper to show that he does exist. Hey even James Bond does it and he is just a mere human being.

GQ S. Michael wrote the following entitled, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’”

Both Psalm 14:1 and Psalm 53:1 read, “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God.’” We as Christian take these verses to mean that atheists are stupid, i.e., lacking intelligence. However, that is not the only meaning of the Hebrew word translated “fool.” In this text, the Hebrew word is nabal, which often refers to an impious person who has no perception of ethical or religious truth. The meaning of the text is not “unintelligent people do not believe in God.” Rather, the meaning of the text is “sinful people do not believe in God.” In other words, it is a wicked thing to deny God, and a denial of God is often accompanied by a wicked lifestyle. The verse goes on to list some other characteristics of the irreligious: “They are corrupt; their deeds are vile;  or there is no one who does good.” Psalm 14 is a study on the universal depravity of mankind.

It's not intelligence, or a lack thereof, that leads a person to reject belief in God. It is a lack of righteousness that leads a person to reject belief in God. Many people do not object to the idea of a Creator, as long as that Creator minds His own business and leaves them alone. What people reject is the idea of a Creator who demands morality from His creation. Rather than struggle against a guilty conscience, some people reject the idea of God altogether. Psalm 14:1 calls this type of person a “fool.”

Psalm 14:1 says that denying God’s existence is commonly based on a desire to lead a wicked life. Several prominent atheists have admitted the truth of this. Some, such as author Aldous Huxley, have openly admitted that a desire to avoid moral restraints was a motivation for their disbelief:

“I had motives for not wanting the world to have a meaning; and consequently assumed that it had none, and was able without any difficulty to find satisfying reasons for this assumption. The philosopher who finds no meaning in the world is not concerned exclusively with a problem in pure metaphysics. He is also concerned to prove that there is no valid reason why he personally should not do as he wants to do. For myself, as no doubt for most of my friends, the philosophy of meaninglessness was essentially an instrument of liberation from a certain system of morality. We objected to the morality because it interfered with our sexual freedom. The supporters of this system claimed that it embodied the meaning - the Christian meaning, they insisted - of the world. There was one admirably simple method of confuting these people and justifying ourselves in our erotic revolt: we would deny that the world had any meaning whatever.” ― Aldous Huxley, Ends and Means

Belief in a divine Being is accompanied by a sense of accountability to that Being. So, to escape the condemnation of conscience, which itself was created by God, some simply deny the existence of God. They tell themselves, “There is no overseer of the world. There is no Judgment Day. I can live as I please.” The moral pull of the conscience is thus more easily ignored.

Trying to convince oneself there is no God is unwise. The point of “The fool says in his heart, ‘There is no God’” is that it is an impious, sinful heart that will deny God. The atheist’s denial flies in the face of much evidence to the contrary, including his own conscience and the universe he lives in.

A lack of evidence of God’s existence is not the true reason atheists reject a belief in God. Their rejection is due to a desire to live free of the moral constraints God requires and to escape the guilt that accompanies the violation of those constraints. “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them so that people are without excuse. Their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their heart. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie” (Romans 1:18–25).

Forward by Faith

Genesis 12:1-9

Faith can be lulled to sleep when we are focused on our own comfort rather than God’s plan. Abraham did not fall into this trap. He traded the familiar for the unknown and received many blessings.

Living by faith is the right answer when God calls you to move forward. His call can come to us at any age and in any situation. Abraham was 75 when he began his journey. David was a shepherd boy when he was anointed to be king (1 Samuel 16:11-13). Paul encountered the Lord on his way to arrest Jewish believers in Damascus; after his conversion, he became the Lord’s representative to the Gentiles (Acts 9:1-6; Acts 22:21). Our call may not be so dramatic, but it will always involve moving forward by faith.

Following God will also include times of testing. Abraham, like all of us, had some successes and some failures. The initial call to leave his country was met with strong belief and immediate action. As a result, the Lord promised a great blessing for him and his descendants. But encountering a famine brought a different response from Abraham—a sojourn to Egypt, deception about his relationship with Sarah, and chastisement from Pharaoh. Our response to God’s commands really matters. Through our actions, we can bring blessing or heartache.

Obeying the Lord can be uncomfortable. Those close to us may question our motives or disagree with our decisions. And we may not want to do what God asks. But faith will keep us moving forward in obedience. It helps us stay the course and experience the blessings found in a relationship with Christ.

The Effectiveness of Prayer

James 5:16-18

When you face a problem, is prayer your first response, or do you spring into action mode? God works powerfully through prayer, yet too often we look at it as a last resort: After we are at the end of our rope, then we start praying.

Using the example of Elijah, James reminds us what the effective prayer of a righteous person can accomplish. In today’s passage, the subject is healing, but that’s not the only prayer God will answer. Every aspect of life can be impacted by the power of prayer.

Temptation. Jesus told His disciples, “Keep watching and praying that you may not come into temptation” (Mark 14:38).

Praise. After being beaten and thrown into prison, Paul and Silas prayed and praised God, even in the midst of their pain (Acts 16:25).

Spiritual Warfare. Paul teaches us to access God’s power by “pray[ing] without ceasing” (1 Thess. 5:17).

Anxiety. We aren’t at the mercy of fear if we pray about everything (Phil. 4:6).

Transformation. When we pray according to God’s desires, He transforms our mind, attitudes, character, and actions (Col. 1:9-12).

Witness. Through prayer, we ask that the Lord open doors for us to spread His Word (2 Thess. 3:1).

Protection. God is faithful to answer requests that He strengthen and protect us from the evil one (2 Thess. 3:2-3).

The next time you face a challenging situation, remember that prayer is more powerful than all your self-efforts. Pray, and watch God work.

-In Touch Ministries-

skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

ksazma posted:
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

All along I did not believe about this Adam and Eve story. I think it's a far fetched story. Like the Bible, this too is a STORY.

skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

All along I did not believe about this Adam and Eve story. I think it's a far fetched story. Like the Bible, this too is a STORY.

There is a theory that Genesis was stolen from the Babylonians.

antabanta posted:
 

There is a theory that Genesis was stolen from the Babylonians.

Plausible. Especially in light of the following passages. Below are the verbatim copy of 2 Kings 19 and Isaiah 37 claimed to be written centuries apart by two different writers. 100% plagiarism.

 

2 Kings 19 King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

And he sent Eliakim, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

It may be the Lord thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.

So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say to your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words which thou hast heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.

So Rabshakeh returned, and found the king of Assyria warring against Libnah: for he had heard that he was departed from Lachish.

And when he heard say of Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, Behold, he is come out to fight against thee: he sent messengers again unto Hezekiah, saying,

10 Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God in whom thou trustest deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

11 Behold, thou hast heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands, by destroying them utterly: and shalt thou be delivered?

12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed; as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Thelasar?

13 Where is the king of Hamath, and the king of Arpad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, of Hena, and Ivah?

14 And Hezekiah received the letter of the hand of the messengers, and read it: and Hezekiah went up into the house of the Lord, and spread it before the Lord.

15 And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord, and said, O Lord God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

16 Lord, bow down thine ear, and hear: open, Lord, thine eyes, and see: and hear the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent him to reproach the living God.

17 Of a truth, Lord, the kings of Assyria have destroyed the nations and their lands,

18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

19 Now therefore, O Lord our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord God, even thou only.

20 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, That which thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria I have heard.

21 This is the word that the Lord hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the daughter of Zion hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

22 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.

23 By thy messengers thou hast reproached the Lord, and hast said, With the multitude of my chariots I am come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon, and will cut down the tall cedar trees thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the lodgings of his borders, and into the forest of his Carmel.

24 I have digged and drunk strange waters, and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of besieged places.

25 Hast thou not heard long ago how I have done it, and of ancient times that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste fenced cities into ruinous heaps.

26 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded; they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the house tops, and as corn blasted before it be grown up.

27 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.

28 Because thy rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

29 And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such things as grow of themselves, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruits thereof.

30 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.

31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead. King James Version (KJV)

 

Isaiah 37 King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

And he sent Eliakim, who was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests covered with sackcloth, unto Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

It may be the Lord thy God will hear the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God, and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that is left.

So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say unto your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words that thou hast heard, wherewith the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.

So Rabshakeh returned, and found the king of Assyria warring against Libnah: for he had heard that he was departed from Lachish.

And he heard say concerning Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, He is come forth to make war with thee. And when he heard it, he sent messengers to Hezekiah, saying,

10 Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God, in whom thou trustest, deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.

11 Behold, thou hast heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands by destroying them utterly; and shalt thou be delivered?

12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Telassar?

13 Where is the king of Hamath, and the king of Arphad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivah?

14 And Hezekiah received the letter from the hand of the messengers, and read it: and Hezekiah went up unto the house of the Lord, and spread it before the Lord.

15 And Hezekiah prayed unto the Lord, saying,

16 O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

17 Incline thine ear, O Lord, and hear; open thine eyes, O Lord, and see: and hear all the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent to reproach the living God.

18 Of a truth, Lord, the kings of Assyria have laid waste all the nations, and their countries,

19 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

20 Now therefore, O Lord our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord, even thou only.

21 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent unto Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Whereas thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria:

22 This is the word which the Lord hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter of Zion, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

23 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.

24 By thy servants hast thou reproached the Lord, and hast said, By the multitude of my chariots am I come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon; and I will cut down the tall cedars thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the height of his border, and the forest of his Carmel.

25 I have digged, and drunk water; and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of the besieged places.

26 Hast thou not heard long ago, how I have done it; and of ancient times, that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste defenced cities into ruinous heaps.

27 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded: they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the housetops, and as corn blasted before it be grown up.

28 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.

29 Because thy rage against me, and thy tumult, is come up into mine ears, therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

30 And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such as groweth of itself; and the second year that which springeth of the same: and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruit thereof.

31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:

32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

33 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shields, nor cast a bank against it.

34 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

35 For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

36 Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

37 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

38 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Armenia: and Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead. King James Version (KJV)

 
 
 

The Purification of Our Faith

Hebrews 11:32-40

Although most of us would love to have the heroic faith of the men and women mentioned in Hebrews 11, few of us are willing to go through the process God uses to develop this kind of trust. We love reading about the great victories and accomplishments of those who relied upon the Lord, but we cringe at the descriptions in verses 36-38. Though none of us want to go through horrible situations, God uses adversity to purify our faith.

Picture the Lord as a master sculptor standing before a block of marble—that slab is you! Envisioning the hidden work of art within the rock, He lovingly and carefully chips away at everything that does not fit the masterpiece He’s creating.

One of the first areas the Lord deals with is your character. His goal is to shape you into the image of His Son, and there are some traits and attitudes that must be chipped away in order for Him to accomplish the task. His chisel lays bare roots of sin and selfishness.

When anything or anyone becomes more important to us than the Lord, we have an idol in our life. To protect us, God sometimes uses adversity to strip away everything we have relied upon so that we will cling only to Him.

The chisel hurts—it sometimes feels as if God is taking away everything we hold dear. Unless you understand His goal and believe He’s working for your good, you’ll think He’s cruel. But if you trust Him and yield to His shaping tool of adversity, your faith will be purified and strengthened through affliction.

ksazma posted:
skeldon_man posted:
ksazma posted:

Still no sight of God.

No comment from Siggy about how the world got populated through the process of sex when only Adam, his wife Eve and their child Cain were the only people in existence.

So we are all products of incest?

I don't think so Skelly but I am interested in what Siggy thinks. Asking this question got under Bro. Keith's skin so I doubt he will offer an opinion.

Nothing get under may skin, just not surprise by your ineptitude to comprehend.

cain posted:

I saw one that read, Elvis is alive. The two of dem guys musbe hanging together by Siggy's place.

One has to be really misguided to insist that someone who is dead is still alive. Interestingly these same people wouldn't even give that same regard to their own departed family members.

ksazma posted:
 

Plausible. Especially in light of the following passages. Below are the verbatim copy of 2 Kings 19 and Isaiah 37 claimed to be written centuries apart by two different writers. 100% plagiarism.

 

2 Kings 19 King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

And he sent Eliakim, which was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests, covered with sackcloth, to Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and blasphemy; for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

It may be the Lord thy God will hear all the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God; and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that are left.

So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say to your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words which thou hast heard, with which the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and shall return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.

So Rabshakeh returned, and found the king of Assyria warring against Libnah: for he had heard that he was departed from Lachish.

And when he heard say of Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, Behold, he is come out to fight against thee: he sent messengers again unto Hezekiah, saying,

10 Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God in whom thou trustest deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.

11 Behold, thou hast heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands, by destroying them utterly: and shalt thou be delivered?

12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed; as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Thelasar?

13 Where is the king of Hamath, and the king of Arpad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, of Hena, and Ivah?

14 And Hezekiah received the letter of the hand of the messengers, and read it: and Hezekiah went up into the house of the Lord, and spread it before the Lord.

15 And Hezekiah prayed before the Lord, and said, O Lord God of Israel, which dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; thou hast made heaven and earth.

16 Lord, bow down thine ear, and hear: open, Lord, thine eyes, and see: and hear the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent him to reproach the living God.

17 Of a truth, Lord, the kings of Assyria have destroyed the nations and their lands,

18 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

19 Now therefore, O Lord our God, I beseech thee, save thou us out of his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord God, even thou only.

20 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent to Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, That which thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria I have heard.

21 This is the word that the Lord hath spoken concerning him; The virgin the daughter of Zion hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

22 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.

23 By thy messengers thou hast reproached the Lord, and hast said, With the multitude of my chariots I am come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon, and will cut down the tall cedar trees thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the lodgings of his borders, and into the forest of his Carmel.

24 I have digged and drunk strange waters, and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of besieged places.

25 Hast thou not heard long ago how I have done it, and of ancient times that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste fenced cities into ruinous heaps.

26 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded; they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the house tops, and as corn blasted before it be grown up.

27 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.

28 Because thy rage against me and thy tumult is come up into mine ears, therefore I will put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

29 And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such things as grow of themselves, and in the second year that which springeth of the same; and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruits thereof.

30 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall yet again take root downward, and bear fruit upward.

31 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

32 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shield, nor cast a bank against it.

33 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

34 For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

35 And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

36 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

37 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword: and they escaped into the land of Armenia. And Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead. King James Version (KJV)

 

Isaiah 37 King James Version (KJV)

1 And it came to pass, when king Hezekiah heard it, that he rent his clothes, and covered himself with sackcloth, and went into the house of the Lord.

And he sent Eliakim, who was over the household, and Shebna the scribe, and the elders of the priests covered with sackcloth, unto Isaiah the prophet the son of Amoz.

And they said unto him, Thus saith Hezekiah, This day is a day of trouble, and of rebuke, and of blasphemy: for the children are come to the birth, and there is not strength to bring forth.

It may be the Lord thy God will hear the words of Rabshakeh, whom the king of Assyria his master hath sent to reproach the living God, and will reprove the words which the Lord thy God hath heard: wherefore lift up thy prayer for the remnant that is left.

So the servants of king Hezekiah came to Isaiah.

And Isaiah said unto them, Thus shall ye say unto your master, Thus saith the Lord, Be not afraid of the words that thou hast heard, wherewith the servants of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me.

Behold, I will send a blast upon him, and he shall hear a rumour, and return to his own land; and I will cause him to fall by the sword in his own land.

So Rabshakeh returned, and found the king of Assyria warring against Libnah: for he had heard that he was departed from Lachish.

And he heard say concerning Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, He is come forth to make war with thee. And when he heard it, he sent messengers to Hezekiah, saying,

10 Thus shall ye speak to Hezekiah king of Judah, saying, Let not thy God, in whom thou trustest, deceive thee, saying, Jerusalem shall not be given into the hand of the king of Assyria.

11 Behold, thou hast heard what the kings of Assyria have done to all lands by destroying them utterly; and shalt thou be delivered?

12 Have the gods of the nations delivered them which my fathers have destroyed, as Gozan, and Haran, and Rezeph, and the children of Eden which were in Telassar?

13 Where is the king of Hamath, and the king of Arphad, and the king of the city of Sepharvaim, Hena, and Ivah?

14 And Hezekiah received the letter from the hand of the messengers, and read it: and Hezekiah went up unto the house of the Lord, and spread it before the Lord.

15 And Hezekiah prayed unto the Lord, saying,

16 O Lord of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even thou alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.

17 Incline thine ear, O Lord, and hear; open thine eyes, O Lord, and see: and hear all the words of Sennacherib, which hath sent to reproach the living God.

18 Of a truth, Lord, the kings of Assyria have laid waste all the nations, and their countries,

19 And have cast their gods into the fire: for they were no gods, but the work of men's hands, wood and stone: therefore they have destroyed them.

20 Now therefore, O Lord our God, save us from his hand, that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that thou art the Lord, even thou only.

21 Then Isaiah the son of Amoz sent unto Hezekiah, saying, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Whereas thou hast prayed to me against Sennacherib king of Assyria:

22 This is the word which the Lord hath spoken concerning him; The virgin, the daughter of Zion, hath despised thee, and laughed thee to scorn; the daughter of Jerusalem hath shaken her head at thee.

23 Whom hast thou reproached and blasphemed? and against whom hast thou exalted thy voice, and lifted up thine eyes on high? even against the Holy One of Israel.

24 By thy servants hast thou reproached the Lord, and hast said, By the multitude of my chariots am I come up to the height of the mountains, to the sides of Lebanon; and I will cut down the tall cedars thereof, and the choice fir trees thereof: and I will enter into the height of his border, and the forest of his Carmel.

25 I have digged, and drunk water; and with the sole of my feet have I dried up all the rivers of the besieged places.

26 Hast thou not heard long ago, how I have done it; and of ancient times, that I have formed it? now have I brought it to pass, that thou shouldest be to lay waste defenced cities into ruinous heaps.

27 Therefore their inhabitants were of small power, they were dismayed and confounded: they were as the grass of the field, and as the green herb, as the grass on the housetops, and as corn blasted before it be grown up.

28 But I know thy abode, and thy going out, and thy coming in, and thy rage against me.

29 Because thy rage against me, and thy tumult, is come up into mine ears, therefore will I put my hook in thy nose, and my bridle in thy lips, and I will turn thee back by the way by which thou camest.

30 And this shall be a sign unto thee, Ye shall eat this year such as groweth of itself; and the second year that which springeth of the same: and in the third year sow ye, and reap, and plant vineyards, and eat the fruit thereof.

31 And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward:

32 For out of Jerusalem shall go forth a remnant, and they that escape out of mount Zion: the zeal of the Lord of hosts shall do this.

33 Therefore thus saith the Lord concerning the king of Assyria, He shall not come into this city, nor shoot an arrow there, nor come before it with shields, nor cast a bank against it.

34 By the way that he came, by the same shall he return, and shall not come into this city, saith the Lord.

35 For I will defend this city to save it for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.

36 Then the angel of the Lord went forth, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians a hundred and fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

37 So Sennacherib king of Assyria departed, and went and returned, and dwelt at Nineveh.

38 And it came to pass, as he was worshipping in the house of Nisroch his god, that Adrammelech and Sharezer his sons smote him with the sword; and they escaped into the land of Armenia: and Esarhaddon his son reigned in his stead. King James Version (KJV)

 
 
 

I notice that Bro. Keith did not comment on this coincidence between 2 Kings 19 and Isaiah 37. This is disappointing given how much Isaiah is preached to promote Jesus.

I am also disappointed that Siggy didn't have any explanation for how we got from Adam, Eve and their son Cain to over 7 million people when we are told that outside of Jesus, everyone else was born through sexual intercourse. I though he would have had one more of those powerful ejaculation story to tell.

ksazma posted:

I am also disappointed that Siggy didn't have any explanation for how we got from Adam, Eve and their son Cain to over 7 million people when we are told that outside of Jesus, everyone else was born through sexual intercourse. I though he would have had one more of those powerful ejaculation story to tell.

As a muslim, I am surprised you don't know the answer to that question.

In the community that I live in, I get the opportunity to meet with people willing share ideas and opinions. People from the Middle-East are more keen in doing it. They seem to think they have the correct thoughts of humanity on the planet. And of the muslim faith. So far, I've heard their opinions of people who are not from the ME. I've listened to people from Sudan, Syria, Iran and other regions of the world for 34 years. They were all refugees. And the muslims have some serious ideas of the infidels.

About a year ago, an old muslim Guyanese was working for me. He was working for years with me. Always eager to tell me about Allah. For every pronouncement he made, I gave similarities in Bible. It wasn't done to deny his beliefs but to show that words and sentences pertaining to God is universal. Faith is a different matter.

At one of his Friday prayers, the Immam deliberated on Adam, Eve and Cain. Just like you, the Immam ridiculing the Bible and its contents.

My countryman was very eager to tell me what he was told by the Immam. "Adam did have children with Eve. And when Cain was banished, he travelled to Ethiopia. Lonely, he returned and kidnapped Eve and took her to Ethopia. And he had children with her.  Adam searched everywhere for Eve, finding her in a distant land, he took her back to the entrance of the Garden of Eden."

My countryman enquiired, "what yuh tink about dis brudah."

I replied, "Seems very familiar."

Pausing for a while, I said to him, "I have a feeling the Immam read the Book of Enoch. Only, in the Book of Enoch, that story was recorded as a parable of Bulls, Hefier and cows. From the accounts, one could conclude that four Beings were formed from the dust. There was a white bull(Adam), a red bull(Abel) and a black bull(Cain). There was fight and the Black Bull gored the Red Bull. The Black Bull threatened the White Bull and eventually took the Heifer to a distant place where the White Bull later found the Heifer."

The generations of Adam drowned in the the Great Deluge. Noah and his family saved, re-populated on the Plain of Shinar. At the Tower Babel incident, the people(Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid) were scattered in the different parts of world where powerful ejaculation took place to give the world millions of inhabtants.

 

 

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