None of us who were born in Guyana are ‘Indians’ or ‘Africans’- Charles Sugrim

Zed posted:
. No one goes around shouting that Afro Guyanese were partially responsible for the Burnham years. .

 

You must really be deaf as in fact the very justification by the PPP for excluding blacks was because of Burnham. Even ordinary black professionals seeking employment were told "is not Burnham time now".

The fact remains is that Indo Guyanese are ethnically exclusive in their behavior and that disturbs other Guyanese and drives them into their own ethnic panic as they fear that if an Indian dominates anything this will lead to their exclusion, or as many said when the PPP lost in 2015 (thank god its the end of the slow holocaust).

This wasn't only about Jagdeo and the PPP.  This was about how the Indo dominated private companies treated non Indians.

You can deny this as you will but this indeed is a fact.  I saw with my own eyes on a visit to Guyana where two minibuses stop. An EMPTY one with a black driver and a conductor stopped first and then a FULL minibus with an Indian driver and conductor (and many black passengers).  The Indians decided to squeeze into the full bus and ignore the empty one and one can only assume that the reasons were racial.

Similarly airport taxi drivers indicate that Indians will pass them by at the airport looking for an Indian taxi driver and only come back to them when they cannot find any. A black passenger will jump in the first decent taxi that they see, regardless of the ethnicity of the driver.

This is why the vast majority of Guyanese of African and mixed ancestry are terrified of Indian dominated leadership.

And let us look at different reactions. David Hinds, Andaiye, Eusi Kwayana, Walter Rodney and others have spoken out against racism by Afro Guyanese towards Indo Guyanese.  They remain well regarded by most Afro Guyanese, and are even seen as heroes by some.

Let us see the reaction to these comments by Sugrim. Did he single out Indo Guyanese. No he made a false equivalency between Indo and Afro Guyanese, even though he knows full well that Afro Guyanese identity is very embedded in being Guyanese and that Afro Guyanese have a creole culture, which by definition absorbs influences from all sources, and doesn't have barriers to entry.

Yet its the Indians here who lambaste Sugrim. Very few endorse his views and the few who do and then attacked as joining blacks to kill off Indians.

You will deliberately ignore the difference in reaction but the evidence is clear.

In fact one can even look at those who accuse me of having "lost" my culture and then cite my inability and lack of interest in speaking an African language. The irony of course is that almost none of them are fluent speakers of any Indian language. NONE of them use this as their first language, and many of them in fact speak Creolese which is a dialect of English with AFRICAN origins.

So ironically Afro Guyanese are more likely to speak in a form which has African influences and it is the Indo Guyanese who speaks an African form of English. Yet will scream that their culture is "pure" and that of the Afro Guyanese being non existent.

One day people will understand that which ever of the myriad cultures that exist in Guyana, including various combinations of these cultures is what makes them GUYANESE. So to lambaste some one who says that he is a Guyanese (by nationality) and not Indian (because he is Guyanese by nationality) is in fact indications of clannishness.

And note that it isn't just Sugrim who is treated like this, but so is any Indian who is honest enough to describe Indian attitudes to non Indians, or the degree to which Indians prioritize their ethnicity over their nationality and exclude those who fall outside of this grouping.

Prashad posted:

Carib like white man too much. 

Carib is die hard racist. He is critical of the current GOG only because of the Indians that are included. He would very much like to deculturelize us. He can't, unless he has our permission.

Hindu Guyanese need to strengthen all  their communities before it is broken down to western pop culture like what is happening in India. Accept douglas as your brothers and sisters in Hinduism or the Hari Krishnas. Every community must have a conversion process in place to convert Afro Guyanese and Guyanese Amerindians to the faith. This year Prashad will give 100 dollars to the Hari Krishnas. Not because Prashad is a big follower of Hinduism. But because the Hari Krishnas are helping to keep alive the culture of our Indo- Aryan and Dravidian ancestors. Which must never die on the face of this earth.

Prashad posted:

Another low blow by the Carib. I don't have anything against it. But I just cannot see myself being married to a full white woman.

Why is it a low blow.  You married a woman from the same culture that you lambaste. Do you constantly tell her that she loves white people?

I bet you dare not do that.

Mitwah posted:

Carib is die hard racist. 

So says the man who calls Africans cannibals and uses "Congoman" as an insult. 

I hope that some one from either of the two Congos has a serious conversation with you about the fact that you think that their diet consists of human flesh.

In fact I challenge you to go to either one of their UN Missions and tell them that you use the word "Congoman" as an insult and insist that the national dish is cooked human.

Prashad posted:

Hindu Guyanese need to strengthen all  their communities before it is broken down to western pop culture like what is happening in India. 

That horse galloped out of the stable long ago.  Why don't you go to many of the clubs in RH and see how "purely non western" Guyanese Hindus are.

Are your kids Hindus?

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:

Carib is die hard racist. 

So says the man who calls Africans cannibals and uses "Congoman" as an insult. 

I hope that some one from either of the two Congos has a serious conversation with you about the fact that you think that their diet consists of human flesh.

In fact I challenge you to go to either one of their UN Missions and tell them that you use the word "Congoman" as an insult and insist that the national dish is cooked human.

Calling you a Jackass would be an insult to that breed of animal. I did not call Africans Cannibals. Prove it.

I called you a cannibal. You never denied that you are not a Congoman. You admitted that you lust for human meat.

You are a racist and I have no respect for you. 

 

Mitwah posted:
 

Calling you a Jackass would be an insult to that breed of animal. I did not call Africans Cannibals. Prove it.

 

You based my socalled cannibalism on my African heritage and you also used "Congoman" as an insult. I don't happened to be insulted and in fact the fact thet you think that it is an insult says a whole lot about you.

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
. You are from the tribe that prefers human flesh over other meat. Mr. Congo man,

There you go.

Thanks for acknowledging your heritage. You have never denied that you have a craving for human meat. Think  before you come on here to put down Indians. If you think that I am being very disrespectful to you, then you are absolutely right, Mr. Congo man.

Mitwah posted:
caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
. You are from the tribe that prefers human flesh over other meat. Mr. Congo man,

There you go.

Thanks for acknowledging your heritage. You have never denied that you have a craving for human meat. Think  before you come on here to put down Indians. If you think that I am being very disrespectful to you, then you are absolutely right, Mr. Congo man.

Why don't you resort to posting picture of donkey feces as you used to? Seriously that is indicative of your level of discourse.

But continue to display your disdain for Congolese, thinking that you insult me.  Or to connecting it to cannibalism.  Interesting that you resort to this stereotype often used by racists against Africans.

BTW the only person who you are disrespecting is yourself by confirming what an ignorant bigot you are.

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
. You are from the tribe that prefers human flesh over other meat. Mr. Congo man,

There you go.

Thanks for acknowledging your heritage. You have never denied that you have a craving for human meat. Think  before you come on here to put down Indians. If you think that I am being very disrespectful to you, then you are absolutely right, Mr. Congo man.

Why don't you resort to posting picture of donkey feces as you used to? Seriously that is indicative of your level of discourse.

But continue to display your disdain for Congolese, thinking that you insult me.  Or to connecting it to cannibalism.  Interesting that you resort to this stereotype often used by racists against Africans.

BTW the only person who you are disrespecting is yourself by confirming what an ignorant bigot you are.

I said that I have no respect for you. You are nothing more than an ignorant congenital racist prick. I connect you to cannibalism. You seem to lack comprehension. Are you now an African?

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

I said that I have no respect for you. 

Who cares what you think.   You don't have respect for you so why should I respect you.  Now run along and play with the KKK.

You behave like a dog chasing his  tail or the one that barks at a parked car. You scare yourself when you see your reflection. You keep going around in circles, flying off at a tangent, creating your own groundless arguments. You lack self respect and behave like a high school drop out.You rely on assumptions that are ultimately false. You seem to struggle between your racist mind and your basic instinct.

Run along now and play with yourself. yippieyippie

Nehru posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:

When those of you who are naturalized citizens of the US or Canada or England travel outside of your adopted country of residence, do you identify yourselves as Indian or proudly as American, Canadian, and British? Be honest now.

No answer? Does this claim of Indianness depart outside of Guyana's borders?

One has to identify one self from the Country of origin/Passport. It has nothing to do with race, Grow a bloody brain so you can stop asking STUPID questions!!

I'm not talking about immigration. Sorry, should've realized you'd need a clear explanation. Well... perhaps you don't travel much. This question isn't for you.

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