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We must begin to celebrate our ethnic groups and their cultures.

July 11, 2017  Source

Dear Editor,

I will repeat what Prime Minister Nagamootoo stated in the last election campaign, for which he was roundly condemned by the previous government. He stated that he is not “Indian”. I responded to his statement with a letter to the press, full supporting the Prime Minister’s statement. None of us who were born in Guyana are ‘Indians’ or ‘Africans’. To be Indian or African is not an ethnic group. We are Guyanese of different ethnic groups. People of every ethnic group on earth were born in Africa today. Does this means that they are all ‘Blacks’? No, but they are qualified to be called African because they were born on that continent. Similarly, in India people of different ethnic groups were born there today, and that qualifies them to be called Indian. So the nationality of someone born in India or in Africa makes those people Indian and African respectively. But in Africa, their nationality is not African, but Nigerian, Libyan, Ghanaian, and so on. In Guyana, we are neither Indian nor African. We are Guyanese by nationality.

In Africa, the Blacks can be from the ethnic group of Yoruba, Ibo, Zulu and so on. In Guyana, some of our ancestry came from these ethnic groups. So a Guyanese whose ancestry came from the great continent of Africa is either a Yoruba, an Ibo or any of the many ethnic groups on that continent. You are not African. Your roots came from Africa, but you are not African, you are Guyanese of African descent belonging to the ethnic group of Yoruba, Ibo or some other ethnic group. Similarly, our ancestors who came from India also have different ethnic groups.

The people in Guyana need to wake up from their slumber. The country is blessed with the greatest ethnic and cultural groups in the world, and what are we doing? Instead of celebrating our great cultures with pride and joy, we seem bent on destroying each other.

My recommendation is that we carry out a detailed survey in two predominantly African villages, two predominantly Indian villages, two communities of both ethnic groups, and two Amerindian villages. Let us find out what these communities need to make our country move forward. Our researchers must compile the findings of these surveys and then propose new measures to launch a ‘New’ Guyana. We can use the information from the survey to begin the process of building our people rather than tearing them apart. The funds for this project should come from the business community, the government and other interested parties. We can then use some of our students from the University of Guyana to work with our researchers to get this done.

Let us put our hands to the plough and build a New Guyana for our children and grandchildren, and let us begin to celebrate our different ethnic groups and our rich cultures with pomp and glory.

Yours faithfully,

Charles Sugrim    

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warrior posted:
Nehru posted:

Does he know Guyana gat Crabdaag Namakaram??????

do not forget you is a jackass 

HAHAHA FILTH HEAD IDIOT, like he finally figure out how to pull his head out of his ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru

Indians in Guyana are Guyanese by nationality and Indian as one of the six racial groups of people. We are Indians because we are descendants of India where our ancestors belong. Charles Sugram came out with this nonsense that Guyanese understood fully. Moses made a blunder which he knew was wrong when he defended himself very poorly to the Guyanese folks. Moses was busy praising the PNC that he forget about his ancestors in Indian where he received his doctorate degree from his Tamils family. 

FM

This is why some Guyanese of Indian ancestry will always have a difficult time. Every other nationality can say "I am Guyanese" but not them, that is because they are a confused lot.

There used to be a saying about The Bronx being the most confusing place on Father's day but you guys got them beat. East Indians who fail to recognize they are first and foremost, Guyanese, will always be confused people. Try explaining to someone from India you are Indian.

Yesterday I visited a buddy who is receiving cancer treatment and met a young nurse with a brown complexion. She had to stay in the room at all times so she was included in our conversations. I asked her if she happened to be from Guyana or West Indies to which she answered.."No I am Canadian, born in Scarborough with parents from Africa and India."

You guys here would all be confused as heck if you were in that position..you'll all be saying some bullshit like you are Afrindia.

cain
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No I did not, why would I? My nose is long enough. I even saw that she had a book beside her and told her of the one I just completed by Trevor Noah ( he is from South Africa) who she never heard of until she checked on the net. Did I forget to say she was quite pretty?

cain
Zed posted:

Sugrim is out to lunch. There is no logic in his argument. 

His premise is that Indo Guyanese are not Indians.  They weren't born in India, and face it, culturally they are different. 

Afro Guyanese have less of an issue with this, as most don't even see Africa is relevant except in a historical sense.

 

NYC has a huge population from India and I see little evidence that these people feel that Indo Guyanese have anything to do with them except for a shared love of cricket, a British  game.

FM

People of Indan Origins, that is the ones whose forefathers went to Africa and the Carribbean are the only Indians who refer to themselves as Indians, meaning their forefathers are Indians, so they associate with them. In reality, the first set of pioneers are really from India. However, we who consider ourselves as Indians embraces all of India and its customs while those present day people that hails from the sub-continent seldom refer to themselves as Indians, many simply states the REGION they came from, example, the punjab, south indian, Malalyam, tamil, Dravidians.

I say, I am an Indian.

A Guyanese is a person void of racist tendencies. And there is not such a person, as yet. But, they slowly evolving, realizing Guyana has several races of people and a truly Guyanese government is one that governs for Guyanese.

So for now, we all have racism, whether we agree or disgree. Because in the Amerindians land of Guyana, everything is a race issue.

S
caribny posted:
Zed posted:

Sugrim is out to lunch. There is no logic in his argument. 

His premise is that Indo Guyanese are not Indians.  They weren't born in India, and face it, culturally they are different. 

Afro Guyanese have less of an issue with this, as most don't even see Africa is relevant except in a historical sense.

 

NYC has a huge population from India and I see little evidence that these people feel that Indo Guyanese have anything to do with them except for a shared love of cricket, a British  game.

Caribjee bai, tell dem NYC Indians that their children and grandchildren who were not born in India would be the same like the Guyanese. 

Meraa juuta hai Japaanii, yeh patluun Englishtaanii
My shoes are Japanese, these pants are British
Sar pe laal topii Ruusi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustanii
On my head is a red Russian hat, nonetheless my heart is Indian

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
caribny posted:
Zed posted:

Sugrim is out to lunch. There is no logic in his argument. 

His premise is that Indo Guyanese are not Indians.  They weren't born in India, and face it, culturally they are different. 

Afro Guyanese have less of an issue with this, as most don't even see Africa is relevant except in a historical sense.

 

NYC has a huge population from India and I see little evidence that these people feel that Indo Guyanese have anything to do with them except for a shared love of cricket, a British  game.

Caribjee bai, tell dem NYC Indians that their children and grandchildren who were not born in India would be the same like the Guyanese. 

Meraa juuta hai Japaanii, yeh patluun Englishtaanii
My shoes are Japanese, these pants are British
Sar pe laal topii Ruusi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustanii
On my head is a red Russian hat, nonetheless my heart is Indian

Carib wants to Africanize the world. He wants no other race than black people. This would be the end of the human race.

FM
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Caribj the RACIST is full of shit!! He and his Dadee Bunham only interested in Africa, Nelson Mandela and Black Power!!!

 

When Guyanese were starving Bunham gave 50000US to the ANC!! These RACIST PIGS come here and try to rewrite history thinking everyone is a FILTH HEAD like them.. Caribj excuse is RACISM, how about the IDIOT Django, FILTH HEAD is not enough unless his entire head is jampack with raw sewage!!!!!!

Nehru
Nehru posted:

Caribj the RACIST is full of shit!! He and his Dadee Bunham only interested in Africa, Nelson Mandela and Black Power!!!

 

When Guyanese were starving Bunham gave 50000US to the ANC!! These RACIST PIGS come here and try to rewrite history thinking everyone is a FILTH HEAD like them.. Caribj excuse is RACISM, how about the IDIOT Django, FILTH HEAD is not enough unless his entire head is jampack with raw sewage!!!!!!

Make an appointment,maybe you will get some help,"the matter in your cranium need checking"too much poop in there.

Django
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Caribj the RACIST is full of shit!! He and his Dadee Bunham only interested in Africa, Nelson Mandela and Black Power!!!

 

When Guyanese were starving Bunham gave 50000US to the ANC!! These RACIST PIGS come here and try to rewrite history thinking everyone is a FILTH HEAD like them.. Caribj excuse is RACISM, how about the IDIOT Django, FILTH HEAD is not enough unless his entire head is jampack with raw sewage!!!!!!

Make an appointment,maybe you will get some help,"the matter in your cranium need checking"too much poop in there.

There must be a good veterinary clinic close to him.

cain
cain posted:
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

Caribj the RACIST is full of shit!! He and his Dadee Bunham only interested in Africa, Nelson Mandela and Black Power!!!

 

When Guyanese were starving Bunham gave 50000US to the ANC!! These RACIST PIGS come here and try to rewrite history thinking everyone is a FILTH HEAD like them.. Caribj excuse is RACISM, how about the IDIOT Django, FILTH HEAD is not enough unless his entire head is jampack with raw sewage!!!!!!

Make an appointment,maybe you will get some help,"the matter in your cranium need checking"too much poop in there.

There must be a good veterinary clinic close to him.

You are the CERTIFIED GADAHA, dat would be the appropriate place for you. Not that any help can change you from being a dumb Donkey!!!!!

Nehru
Mitwah posted:
 

Caribjee bai, tell dem NYC Indians that their children and grandchildren who were not born in India would be the same like the Guyanese. 

Meraa juuta hai Japaanii, yeh patluun Englishtaanii
My shoes are Japanese, these pants are British
Sar pe laal topii Ruusi, phir bhi dil hai Hindustanii
On my head is a red Russian hat, nonetheless my heart is Indian

They already call them ABCDs American Born Confused Desis because they don't want to marry some one of their parents' choosing. 

By the time those born in India die off its story done.  Indo Guyanese have long past that point.  How many people born in India are still alive? In fact its a declining % of Indo Guyanese who even know family members who were.

FM

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