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Left to Right: PNCR Leader, David Granger; Party Chairman, Basil Williams; Vice Chairmen, Volda Lawrence and George Norton as well as Treasurer, Ronald Bulkan.

Left to Right: PNCR Leader, David Granger; Party Chairman, Basil Williams; Vice Chairmen, Volda Lawrence and George Norton as well as Treasurer, Ronald Bulkan

 

DEMERARA WAVES --- Leader of the People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR), David Granger Sunday evening denied that the elections machinery facilitated rigging and padding of the delegates list to sweep him back at the helm of the party.

 “These things are not true” he told a news conference at the end of the three-day 18th biennial congress that was marred by allegations by Aubrey Norton and Sharma Solomon that the system was “flawed”.

They refused to participate in the elections, resulting in Granger and Basil Williams retaining their offices as leader and Chairman respectively.

 

Granger countered their charges that delegates’ names were taken off the list, saying that evidence had emerged that a large number of persons from “one particular region” were taken to Congress Place but their names were not on the list that was agreed and approved on Saturday night. “If there was any discrepancy, it meant that somebody was trying to flood the list when persons were not qualified to enter as observers and delegates,” he said.

Denying that the electoral system was flawed, the PNCR leader said there were no grounds for his resignation or the holding of fresh elections.  “We are not prepared to go back unless there is some evidence of wrongdoing and there has been no evidence of wrongdoing,” he said.

 

The party leader stressed that General Secretary, Oscar Clarke met numerous times with Norton and Solomon and “tried very hard” to iron out their grievances.

Although the last three congresses of the PNCR have enveloped in bitter disputes over electoral irregularities and the subsequent departure of several top and influential functionaries, Granger rejected suggestions that the party was deeply divided. “The party is not more divided than it has ever been. There is evidence, off course, that certain elements behaved in a certain way… But those elements do not represent a majority of the party to create such a massive division,” he said.

Among those who have parted ways with the PNCR or taken a back seat due to electoral and other concerns are Raphael Trotman, James Mc Allister, Vincent Alexander, Stanley Ming, Clarissa Riehl, Richard Vanwest Charles, Desmond Fernandes, Mervyn Williams and Sherwood Lowe.

 

“I am not suggesting that it is good to have a division but it wouldn’t harm the party in a serious way,” Granger added. Asked if he would reach out to Norton and others, Granger said the party has the mechanisms to involve members.

Member of the Accreditation Committee, Volda Lawrence admitted that there was only once face-to-face committee meeting, which was held on Saturday, but said other meetings were held via email and telephone.

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Originally Posted by Nehru:

Like Granger gave you shit to eat.

I'm simply relaying a DEMERARA NEWS report.

If you don't believe that report, no problem. Feel free to believe what you want.

Feel free also to post your preferred news reports. I won't be offended as I was never offended by any of your threads.

With regard to your remark above, I won't dignify it with a direct answer.

FM

These people's behavior at their party headquarter is disgraceful. Hoodlums and hooligans at war over who should be the leader. The Indos in the parties are dead scared in situations like this. They just prepared themselves like loyal and vicious dogs who respond only at the call of the master to attack the enemies of the party.

Billy Ram Balgobin

David Granger and Aubrey Norton gave their news version of what when on at the PNC 18th biennial congress. We can believe either or none, but the deal is done. Granger rise to the occasion and he remains the leader of the PNC/R. Let's see what happens from here on.

FM

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

2. Others alleged that “Granger don’t like the PNC…he never liked the PNC. The whole PNC bruk up now.”

 

3. Norton made it unequivocally clear that he will not join forces with the governing People’s Progressive Party Civic or the Alliance for Change (AFC).

 

4. “Well I have always been PNC but for the first time I have to sit down and think through, I could promise everyone that I have no interest in the PPP, I was never PPP and will never be PPP. (Politics make strange bed fellows. I think Moses said the same before he joins AFC). Interesting time ahead as D_G would say.

FM
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Originally Posted by Gilbakka:

 

Left to Right: PNCR Leader, David Granger; Party Chairman, Basil Williams; Vice Chairmen, Volda Lawrence and George Norton as well as Treasurer, Ronald Bulkan

 

DEMERARA WAVES --- Leader of the People’s National Congress Reform (PNCR), David Granger Sunday evening denied that the elections machinery facilitated rigging and padding of the delegates list to sweep him back at the helm of the party.

 “These things are not true” he told a news conference at the end of the three-day 18th biennial congress that was marred by allegations by Aubrey Norton and Sharma Solomon that the system was “flawed”.

They refused to participate in the elections, resulting in Granger and Basil Williams retaining their offices as leader and Chairman respectively.

 

Granger countered their charges that delegates’ names were taken off the list, saying that evidence had emerged that a large number of persons from “one particular region” were taken to Congress Place but their names were not on the list that was agreed and approved on Saturday night. “If there was any discrepancy, it meant that somebody was trying to flood the list when persons were not qualified to enter as observers and delegates,” he said.

Denying that the electoral system was flawed, the PNCR leader said there were no grounds for his resignation or the holding of fresh elections.  “We are not prepared to go back unless there is some evidence of wrongdoing and there has been no evidence of wrongdoing,” he said.

 

The party leader stressed that General Secretary, Oscar Clarke met numerous times with Norton and Solomon and “tried very hard” to iron out their grievances.

Although the last three congresses of the PNCR have enveloped in bitter disputes over electoral irregularities and the subsequent departure of several top and influential functionaries, Granger rejected suggestions that the party was deeply divided. “The party is not more divided than it has ever been. There is evidence, off course, that certain elements behaved in a certain way… But those elements do not represent a majority of the party to create such a massive division,” he said.

Among those who have parted ways with the PNCR or taken a back seat due to electoral and other concerns are Raphael Trotman, James Mc Allister, Vincent Alexander, Stanley Ming, Clarissa Riehl, Richard Vanwest Charles, Desmond Fernandes, Mervyn Williams and Sherwood Lowe.

 

“I am not suggesting that it is good to have a division but it wouldn’t harm the party in a serious way,” Granger added. Asked if he would reach out to Norton and others, Granger said the party has the mechanisms to involve members.

Member of the Accreditation Committee, Volda Lawrence admitted that there was only once face-to-face committee meeting, which was held on Saturday, but said other meetings were held via email and telephone.

 This is a classic representation of  Thomas Khun's explanation of what happens in social and scientific conceptual revolutions. The old guard resists. They defend the old paradigm, insist there is nothing wrong with it and begins the usual patching and plastering of the old system to make it appear sound.

 

Meanwhile, new thinking is the disease it must confront and that will begin to corrode the rules holding the old system together. The old guard will never give up their defense of the old system. It is all they know. They will die first else be slapped with the reality of their uselessness so hard in t he face they die grasping their irrelevance ( but still defending the system!)

 

None of the PNC party stalwarts will admit they have a structural problem to how they conduct their business. They will never admit to the possibility the elections could be fiddled with. That they win is all that matters.

FM
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Originally Posted by Cobra:

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

2. Others alleged that “Granger don’t like the PNC…he never liked the PNC. The whole PNC bruk up now.”

 

3. Norton made it unequivocally clear that he will not join forces with the governing People’s Progressive Party Civic or the Alliance for Change (AFC).

 

4. “Well I have always been PNC but for the first time I have to sit down and think through, I could promise everyone that I have no interest in the PPP, I was never PPP and will never be PPP. (Politics make strange bed fellows. I think Moses said the same before he joins AFC). Interesting time ahead as D_G would say.

I have out Cobra that the PNC has not changed, they are an anti-democratic force that is UNFIT to lead Guyana.

 

Granja is finished politically.  The longer he stays, the deeper the PNC sinks.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

Cobra, that emotional outburst is understandable.

Less than two hours later, Aubrey Norton and his Linden supporters had cooled down somewhat at the Critchlow Labour College. There, Norton was more reflective. Kaieteur News reports: "Asked if he will resign from the party, Norton responded, “I wouldn’t want to comment on the future, but I am sure I want to see the back of the PPP government.”

Norton said that the Lindeners feel disrespected but “Lindeners are PNC people and I am a PNC man, so let’s see what happens.”

FM
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

Cobra, that emotional outburst is understandable.

Less than two hours later, Aubrey Norton and his Linden supporters had cooled down somewhat at the Critchlow Labour College. There, Norton was more reflective. Kaieteur News reports: "Asked if he will resign from the party, Norton responded, “I wouldn’t want to comment on the future, but I am sure I want to see the back of the PPP government.”

Norton said that the Lindeners feel disrespected but “Lindeners are PNC people and I am a PNC man, so let’s see what happens.”

AFC will definitely win one of the two seats in Region 10 now.  Hear talks already begun between Hughes and Norton.  Keep your ears to the ground.

FM
Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

Cobra, that emotional outburst is understandable.

Less than two hours later, Aubrey Norton and his Linden supporters had cooled down somewhat at the Critchlow Labour College. There, Norton was more reflective. Kaieteur News reports: "Asked if he will resign from the party, Norton responded, “I wouldn’t want to comment on the future, but I am sure I want to see the back of the PPP government.”

Norton said that the Lindeners feel disrespected but “Lindeners are PNC people and I am a PNC man, so let’s see what happens.”

AFC will definitely win one of the two seats in Region 10 now.  Hear talks already begun between Hughes and Norton.  Keep your ears to the ground.

Let's assume that is true. The PNC/R will then lost a few seats while AFC will pick up a few seats. If the AFC decided to be independent from APNU, then its a three party race that bring us to square one. Does that make sense? I think the idea is to break the gridlock or give in to a shared governance which I don't see possible at this time.

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

2. Others alleged that “Granger don’t like the PNC…he never liked the PNC. The whole PNC bruk up now.”

 

3. Norton made it unequivocally clear that he will not join forces with the governing People’s Progressive Party Civic or the Alliance for Change (AFC).

 

4. “Well I have always been PNC but for the first time I have to sit down and think through, I could promise everyone that I have no interest in the PPP, I was never PPP and will never be PPP. (Politics make strange bed fellows. I think Moses said the same before he joins AFC). Interesting time ahead as D_G would say.

i hope norton try a coup some body have to fight the ppp in the streets or in this case in the gutter where the ppp live

FM
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by Brian Teekah:
Originally Posted by Gilbakka:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

What do we make of all of this?

 

1. Majority of Lindeners, who are strong supporters of Norton, made their way out of Congress Place and shouted, “PNC lose Linden forever.”

 

Cobra, that emotional outburst is understandable.

Less than two hours later, Aubrey Norton and his Linden supporters had cooled down somewhat at the Critchlow Labour College. There, Norton was more reflective. Kaieteur News reports: "Asked if he will resign from the party, Norton responded, “I wouldn’t want to comment on the future, but I am sure I want to see the back of the PPP government.”

Norton said that the Lindeners feel disrespected but “Lindeners are PNC people and I am a PNC man, so let’s see what happens.”

AFC will definitely win one of the two seats in Region 10 now.  Hear talks already begun between Hughes and Norton.  Keep your ears to the ground.

Let's assume that is true. The PNC/R will then lost a few seats while AFC will pick up a few seats. If the AFC decided to be independent from APNU, then its a three party race that bring us to square one. Does that make sense? I think the idea is to break the gridlock or give in to a shared governance which I don't see possible at this time.

Cobra, it make absolute sense if the PPP loses 3 -4 seats.

FM
Originally Posted by Dondadda:

Do you expect Granger to admit that there was rigging? Not in your wildest dreams.

Well then Grainja should have shut his rass.

 

He cannot defend the undefendable!

 

Come on man, public life have some minimum ethics.

FM

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