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NO FRESH IDEAS FROM THE PPP

The People’s National Congress (PNC) ruled Guyana for 28 years, from 1964 to 1992 before it was defeated by the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) which held power for 23 years until it too was defeated by the coalition government in May 2015.Even though many in the PPP were of the view that the PNC government had mismanaged the country, the PPP had no fresh ideas or personnel to develop Guyana.

In fact, under the PPP, the country was drowned in corruption, dishonesty, theft of the country’s resources, raping of the treasury and the purchasing of the country’s best ocean front lands below market value. Many in the PPP regime who were poor before 1992 became multimillionaires, if not billionaires overnight.
The leader of the opposition continues to maintain a fatuous line that Guyana had its best days under the 23 years of PPP rule.The occasion of this poignant editorial followed on the heels of his announcement at the recent commemoration of Dr. Jagan’s life at Babu Jaan that the PPP would win five seats and 50,000 votes in the next election. Such a statement is immaterial. It shows that the PPP just does not get it!


There is a new and more discerning type of voter who is concerned with voting on issues and for honest and uncorrupt leaders rather than the racial voting of the past. In other words, they will vote for visionary and practical leaders who are capable of solving the country’s problems.Not surprisingly, the leader of the opposition has very selective memory. He has refused to accept responsibility for the crime wave that wreaked havoc on the country between 2002 and 2007 and the escalation of the illegal drug trade. Between 2000 and 2015, the PPP government presided over some major scandals that have damaged the country’s reputation and set back the economy for decades. Who can forget the massive corruption under the PPP which cost the country billions in loses and made Guyana the second most corrupt country in the Caribbean after Haiti.


So no matter how the PPP and Jagdeo try to twist the facts, they simply cannot fool the people. In 1992, the PPP administration inherited a platform which was built by several years of sacrifice by the Guyanese people and careful economic management of the PNC government which moved the macroeconomic indicators to a seven percent GDP growth rate—the highest in the Caribbean at the time. They have made a mess of it. So for the opposition leader to take full credit for the high levels of growth in the economy after 1992 is disingenuous.


The leader of the opposition and the PPP need to be enlightened that good governments around the world have ceased the foolish practice of throwing out all the plans and programmes of their predecessors, even if some are good. People welcome the continuity in government rather than the old habit of ripping up plans and programmes of previous administrations as the PPP did when it came to office in 1992. They should understand that sensible continuity of some good plans which are in the interest of national development is the new commonsense in governance.

But the art of good government and good governance is appreciating which of your predecessor’s policies are worth keeping.This is exactly what this government has done when it came to office in May 2015. It has kept firmly on the economic course of the past five years and even walked back on its pre-election promise to not conduct any witch hunt or charge anyone in the PPP with corruption without solid evidence to support the charge.


After years of stagnation and anemic growth, the economy is expected to expand by more than three percent this fiscal year and be on an upward trajectory in the coming years. In that regard, the government should be commended, rather than criticized, for supposedly doing what is best for the development of the country and the people.

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The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

FM
Prince posted:

The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

 

Correction,that should be "developing"  The country is still poor.

"With a per capita gross domestic product of only $4,700 in 2006, Guyana is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. ... As a result of the ERP, Guyana's GDP increased six percent in 1991 following 15 years of decline."

Django
Prince posted:

 They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. 

Developed?? Do you have a different understanding of the word developed as it relates to countries other than the generally accepted one?

A
Django posted:
Prince posted:

The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

 

Correction,that should be "developing"  The country is still poor.

"With a per capita gross domestic product of only $4,700 in 2006, Guyana is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. ... As a result of the ERP, Guyana's GDP increased six percent in 1991 following 15 years of decline."

Don't get too technical to the point I am making. Take an aerial view of Guyana in the 70's and 80's and compare it with today's Guyana. People were confident of spending, building and investing under the PPP administration. All credits go to the PPP for transforming Guyana to what it is today. Let me remind you that the Deepwater harbor, the new DHB, CJIA, Amaila Hydro-Power, OLPF, are all PPP initiatives. However little some people may look at the OLPF, it gives Guyanese a hand on experience to the world of communication and prepares them for future challenges. 

FM
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Prince posted:
Django posted:
Prince posted:

The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

 

Correction,that should be "developing"  The country is still poor.

"With a per capita gross domestic product of only $4,700 in 2006, Guyana is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. ... As a result of the ERP, Guyana's GDP increased six percent in 1991 following 15 years of decline."

Don't get too technical to the point I am making. Take an aerial view of Guyana in the 70's and 80's and compare it with today's Guyana. People were confident of spending, building and investing under the PPP administration. All credits go to the PPP for transforming Guyana to what it is today. Let me remind you that the Deepwater harbor, the new DHB, CJIA, Amaila Hydro-Power, OLPF, are all PPP initiatives. However little some people may look at the OLPF, it gives Guyanese a hand on experience to the world of communication and prepares them for future challenges. 

With all the massive buildings the Country is still poor,in the 70's and 80's GY $$ had power unlike today.

Regarding the highlighted,there are more advancement in the last 3 yrs in the area of communication and it's not  OLPF.

Django
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Django posted:
Prince posted:
Django posted:
Prince posted:

The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

 

Correction,that should be "developing"  The country is still poor.

"With a per capita gross domestic product of only $4,700 in 2006, Guyana is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. ... As a result of the ERP, Guyana's GDP increased six percent in 1991 following 15 years of decline."

Don't get too technical to the point I am making. Take an aerial view of Guyana in the 70's and 80's and compare it with today's Guyana. People were confident of spending, building and investing under the PPP administration. All credits go to the PPP for transforming Guyana to what it is today. Let me remind you that the Deepwater harbor, the new DHB, CJIA, Amaila Hydro-Power, OLPF, are all PPP initiatives. However little some people may look at the OLPF, it gives Guyanese a hand on experience to the world of communication and prepares them for future challenges. 

With all the massive buildings the Country is still poor,in the 70's and 80's GY $$ had power unlike today.

Regarding the highlighted,there are more advancement in the last 3 yrs in the area of communication and it's not  OLPF.

Hydro projects were always on the back burner. No need to mention this one failed. CJIA wasn't built by the PPP. The improvements would have been necessary sooner or later. A new DHB can't be considered an initiative since there's already an old DHB. That leaves two. Two initiatives in 23 years. Burnham, despite being a despot and a tyrant, built highways, opened polders, built the DHB, created towns, moved the country towards self-sufficiency, generated national pride, etc. etc.

A
antabanta posted:
Prince posted:

 They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. 

Developed?? Do you have a different understanding of the word developed as it relates to countries other than the generally accepted one?

Guyana is not a developed country economically, but neither it's a shithole country as many would like to believe. I state clearly that Guyana is a much better country today than it was in the 80's/90's. Leadership makes the difference. Unfortunately, I can't give credit to the PNC for investor's confidence under the PPP government.  

FM
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antabanta posted:
Django posted:
Prince posted:
Django posted:
Prince posted:

The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

 

Correction,that should be "developing"  The country is still poor.

"With a per capita gross domestic product of only $4,700 in 2006, Guyana is one of the poorest countries in the Western Hemisphere. ... As a result of the ERP, Guyana's GDP increased six percent in 1991 following 15 years of decline."

Don't get too technical to the point I am making. Take an aerial view of Guyana in the 70's and 80's and compare it with today's Guyana. People were confident of spending, building and investing under the PPP administration. All credits go to the PPP for transforming Guyana to what it is today. Let me remind you that the Deepwater harbor, the new DHB, CJIA, Amaila Hydro-Power, OLPF, are all PPP initiatives. However little some people may look at the OLPF, it gives Guyanese a hand on experience to the world of communication and prepares them for future challenges. 

With all the massive buildings the Country is still poor,in the 70's and 80's GY $$ had power unlike today.

Regarding the highlighted,there are more advancement in the last 3 yrs in the area of communication and it's not  OLPF.

Hydro projects were always on the back burner. No need to mention this one failed. CJIA wasn't built by the PPP. The improvements would have been necessary sooner or later. A new DHB can't be considered an initiative since there's already an old DHB. That leaves two. Two initiatives in 23 years. Burnham, despite being a despot and a tyrant, built highways, opened polders, built the DHB, created towns, moved the country towards self-sufficiency, generated national pride, etc. etc.

There was one started somewhere on the Potaro if I remember correctly.

GTAngler
Prince posted:
antabanta posted:
Prince posted:

 They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. 

Developed?? Do you have a different understanding of the word developed as it relates to countries other than the generally accepted one?

Guyana is not a developed country economically, but neither it's a shithole country as many would like to believe. I state clearly that Guyana is a much better country today than it was in the 80's/90's. Leadership makes the difference. Unfortunately, I can't give credit to the PNC for investor's confidence under the PPP government.  

How is it better? Cell phones? More imported vehicles? Low unemployment? Higher literacy rate? Low crime? Higher per capita income? Better infrastructure? Better government services? Internet access? Rural development? Exactly how is it better? Because I go to Guyana every year and poor people still poor. I see less children playing outside because they're all inside watching TV or playing video games. Is that better?

A
ksazma posted:

Django bai. Regarding communication, the Coalition government is terrible. Jordan couldn’t even say if he received a bonus or not.

Bhai,i am talking about Electronics Communications.

Django
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django bai. Regarding communication, the Coalition government is terrible. Jordan couldn’t even say if he received a bonus or not.

Bhai,i am talking about Electronics Communications.

How is Alexei Ramotar's Fiber Optic Cable working?

GTAngler
Prince posted:

The PNC doesn't have any new ideas of its own either. They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. On the economic front, the coalition government inherited the future economic wealth of oil exploration that was made possible by the PPP. If these two things were not done by the PPP, Guyana would have remained like a run down ghetto country. This should not give the PNC any bragging rights.   

By saying this doesn't mean that I am supportive of the PPP. I do not support the PPP nor the PNC. 

Bai yuh fuss sentence was on target. Den de second wan mek meh haan fall. Guyana bin develop in 2015? Yuh need foh read Dr Ramesh Gampat travel accounts. De man seh he never see coolie people have to survive pon alligator like what de see in 2015. Bai PPP destroy coolie peopkle. Guyana cyant de develop under dem circumstance. 

FM
GTAngler posted:
Django posted:
ksazma posted:

Django bai. Regarding communication, the Coalition government is terrible. Jordan couldn’t even say if he received a bonus or not.

Bhai,i am talking about Electronics Communications.

How is Alexei Ramotar's Fiber Optic Cable working?

LOL

 

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...ble-scrapped-hughes/

After months of conducting a series of inspections, the government is made to face the stark reality that like the Skeldon Sugar Factory,the Fibre Optic Cable from Lethem to Georgetown is just another humpty-dumpty.

G$1.3 Billion Fiber Optic Cable Scrapped.

Wasted $$$

Django
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antabanta posted:
Prince posted:
antabanta posted:
Prince posted:

 They inherited a developed Guyana in 2015 from the PPP even though the PPP was drenched in corruption. 

Developed?? Do you have a different understanding of the word developed as it relates to countries other than the generally accepted one?

Guyana is not a developed country economically, but neither it's a shithole country as many would like to believe. I state clearly that Guyana is a much better country today than it was in the 80's/90's. Leadership makes the difference. Unfortunately, I can't give credit to the PNC for investor's confidence under the PPP government.  

How is it better? Cell phones? More imported vehicles? Low unemployment? Higher literacy rate? Low crime? Higher per capita income? Better infrastructure? Better government services? Internet access? Rural development? Exactly how is it better? Because I go to Guyana every year and poor people still poor. I see less children playing outside because they're all inside watching TV or playing video games. Is that better?

Betterment starts with the people and if material things upgrade their lifestyle, then so be. I am not looking at Guyana through your eyes alone. I am looking at Guyana from deep within and from many eyes. I am disappointed that you haven't seen any changes in Guyana from the 80's/90's to now. 

FM
Prince posted:

Betterment starts with the people and if material things upgrade their lifestyle, then so be. I am not looking at Guyana through your eyes alone. I am looking at Guyana from deep within and from many eyes. I am disappointed that you haven't seen any changes in Guyana from the 80's/90's to now. 

You're using semantics to confuse the issue. There is no question of change but one of development. Do you know why rice farming people in Black Bush Polder are moving en masse from the rice fields to the road top? Do you think the cattle farmers in Abary Creek and farmers in rural areas have seen much development since the polders were opened and land leased? Why is little Guyana with less than 1 million people the suicide capital of the world? You may fool yourself that your insight is deep. Go talk with a cattle rancher, pork knocker, rice farmer, an Amerindian girl who has to prostitute herself, or an old black lady who can barely scrape one meal a day and then come and talk about development in Guyana. Cell phones in Guyana are no indication of development and no one can in power can claim responsibility for "bringing" cell phones. It was a natural evolution.

So let's talk about development or lack of it. ALL the governments of Guyana are to blame for it's stagnation.

A
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Hydro projects were always on the back burner. No need to mention this one failed. CJIA wasn't built by the PPP. The improvements would have been necessary sooner or later. A new DHB can't be considered an initiative since there's already an old DHB. That leaves two. Two initiatives in 23 years. Burnham, despite being a despot and a tyrant, built highways, opened polders, built the DHB, created towns, moved the country towards self-sufficiency, generated national pride, etc. etc.

There was one started somewhere on the Potaro if I remember correctly.

On the Potaro River, there is the Tumatumari Hydroelectric project which was built in the mid-1950's specifically for the gold mining operations.

It operated for a while and was left in "despair" a number of years later. Eventually, there were two major gaps in the dam plus deterioration which caused a remarkable reduction of flows through the turbines.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
GTAngler posted:
antabanta posted:

Hydro projects were always on the back burner. No need to mention this one failed. CJIA wasn't built by the PPP. The improvements would have been necessary sooner or later. A new DHB can't be considered an initiative since there's already an old DHB. That leaves two. Two initiatives in 23 years. Burnham, despite being a despot and a tyrant, built highways, opened polders, built the DHB, created towns, moved the country towards self-sufficiency, generated national pride, etc. etc.

There was one started somewhere on the Potaro if I remember correctly.

On the Potaro River, there is the Tumatumari Hydroelectric project which was built in the mid-1950's specifically for the gold mining operations.

It operated for a while and was left in "despair" a number of years later. Eventually, there were two major gaps in the dam plus deterioration which caused a remarkable reduction of flows through the turbines.

That's the one I meant. There was an expansion planned. That never materialized and I think a German company is looking to get it operating again.

GTAngler

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