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New twist on border controversy

 

Foreign Affairs Minister Carl Greenidge has attempted to introduce a new element into the prevailing stand-off on the border controversy precipitated by Venezuela in 1962, which has had a chequered history. The Geneva Agreement (1966) mandated a “Mixed Commission” of Guyanese and Venezuelan representatives to resolve the controversy. They met between 1966 and 1970, but became embroiled in the fundamental disagreement that still prevails today.

The Guyanese insisted the Venezuelans prove their contention of “nullity” of the 1899 Award, while the Venezuelans maintained it was the revision of the border that must be undertaken. Before the Mixed Commission mechanism was abandoned in 1970, there were a series of proposals and counter-proposals between Guyana and Venezuela to effectuate the “practical settlement” of the controversy mandated by the Geneva Agreement.

The Venezuelans floated “arbitration”, but this was rejected by Guyana since Venezuela had not recognised the “full and final” settlement of 1899. What would be different this time? they asked.

Guyana countered by proposing that the question of arbitral nullity be submitted to the International Court of Justice (ICJ), but this was rejected by the Venezuelans. Meeting in Trinidad with the intervention of Prime Minister Eric Williams, the “Protocol of Port of Spain” was signed.

It offered a moratorium on all claims by either side for a period of 12 years to allow for the development of friendlier relations between the two countries. As the end of the Protocol was approaching in 1981, Venezuela objected to a hydroelectric project in the Mazaruni and by the end of the year in the ensuing deterioration of relations between the two countries, cancelled the protocol in 1982.

Venezuela then proposed direct negotiations between the two countries which were eventually rejected by Guyana, which again proposed a juridical recourse. It has been pointed out, however, that in this period, Venezuela alluded to a passage to the Atlantic as a possible quid pro quo for abandoning its controversial claim which never was consummated. Venezuela then proposed the matter be submitted to the United Nations Secretary General and after initially demurring, Guyana agreed in March 1983.

On March 1, 1985, President Burnham, interviewed by a Venezuelan reporter who asked, “But right now the question is being raised – that same kind of proposals that were raised under the Perez Government – of a solution; that is, Venezuela’s exit to the Atlantic.” Burnham answered, “We can discuss it. But having an entry into the Caribbean is quite different from owning the land bordering the Caribbean.” Burnham was thus willing to consider Venezuela having an entrance to the Atlantic as a “practical solution” to the controversy.

Burnham’s successor President Desmond Hoyte continued friendly relations with Venezuela and even considered “joint development” on some projects in Essequibo – these, however, would not include any cession of sovereignty to Venezuela. He also raised the possibility of there being an “exchange of land”. In March 1989, on a visit to Venezuela, Hoyte agreed to a proposal from Venezuelan President Carlos Perez for a former Caricom Secretary General Alister McIntyre to be appointed the “Good Officer” of the UN Secretary General.

And there the process languished until earlier this year when the People’s Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) Government indicated it would be seeking a juridical option of the Geneva Agreement. The new A Partnership for National Unity/Alliance For Change (APNU/AFC) Government accepted this route.

In the penumbra of a statement by Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo that Guyana must always be prepared to have several options so as to ensure the UN SG had diplomatic room to manoeuvre, President Granger demurred. Foreign Affairs Minister Greenidge then announced that Guyana would ask the UN SG to submit the controversy to the ICJ for an “advisory opinion”.

While permitted, the SG can only do so, if requested by one of five specific organs of the UN or one of 16 specific agencies. Mr Greenidge did not state whether he has received this sponsorship. The controversy is still in play with no end in sight.

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"And there the process languished until earlier this year when the People’s Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) Government indicated it would be seeking a juridical option of the Geneva Agreement."

The new A Partnership for National Unity/Alliance For Change (APNU/AFC) Government accepted this route.

 

Did the PPP/C said this ????

Django

There is just one disagreement, Venezuela's obstinate and untenable claim to our land despite having had it arbitrated and agreed to by all some 100 years ago.

 

The PPP needs to get out of the business of seeking political currency on this matter. On it especially, all guyanese should be steadfast on the same side....not a blade of grass!!

FM
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

While people indeed have the right to have differences, the sovereignty of a country is paramount and the known statement is a true one ... not a blade of grass.

Disputed lands that is Amerindian's. They should always be in the mix wid the other ethnicity at the discussion table. Until that happens, I consider this situation irrelevant-atleast for me. 

 

 

S
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Venezuela should take over the whole blasted country and done. Guyana is no longer a country under Granger. It's a run down w/hore house. 

Why don't you look and see the state that Maduro has Venezuela in.

 

I know your obsessive hate of "blackman" blinds you to reality, but facts are the facts.

FM
Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Demerara_Guy:

While people indeed have the right to have differences, the sovereignty of a country is paramount and the known statement is a true one ... not a blade of grass.

Disputed lands that is Amerindian's. They should always be in the mix wid the other ethnicity at the discussion table. Until that happens, I consider this situation irrelevant-atleast for me. 

 

 

the concept of title and borders is a European concept. This is a fight between European claims. Amerindians have free passage to both sides.

FM
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Venezuela worse state under Maduro is better than Guyana best state under Granger. Right now Guyana is worse and getting deteriorated each day by the new dictator. 

quit being an ass. Your lamentation of coolie 'loss" is not a national lament.

FM

Coolies are never at lost even if they're defeated in an election. They are like cockroaches, they survive under harsh conditions. It's the government that is targeting them for their money, jewelry and wealth by the pardoned criminals. Anyway, this is not about our internal affairs. This is another front where granger failed us. Guyana is now a run down Ho/house under granger and his dunce hunch men. Venezuela should come in and take over by force and capture all non-indian and slave them, except those in the PPP.  

FM
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Coolies are never at lost even if they're defeated in an election. They are like cockroaches, they survive under harsh conditions. It's the government that is targeting them for their money, jewelry and wealth by the pardoned criminals. Anyway, this is not about our internal affairs. This is another front where granger failed us. Guyana is now a run down Ho/house under granger and his dunce hunch men. Venezuela should come in and take over by force and capture all non-indian and slave them, except those in the PPP.  

Redwine, too much crap you spewing,Guyana doesn't

belong to Indo only.

 

Your views are like some one who post here,how many

handle you have??

Django
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Please highlight where I said Guyana belong to indians only. Thank you! 

 

I am giving you a second chance.

Read the last sentence you wrote,what's up with the

second chance is their a prize???

Django
Last edited by Django
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Coolies are never at lost even if they're defeated in an election. They are like cockroaches, they survive under harsh conditions. It's the government that is targeting them for their money, jewelry and wealth by the pardoned criminals. Anyway, this is not about our internal affairs. This is another front where granger failed us. Guyana is now a run down Ho/house under granger and his dunce hunch men. Venezuela should come in and take over by force and capture all non-indian and slave them, except those in the PPP.  

I said coolies in the etymologically sense,,,the pedestrian thinker with the mindset of the lowly laborer and not the people endeavoring to enter the modern world.

 

And Indians are as poor as any if you look at the statistics. This idea of the Apollonian indian, resolute, cerebral and industrious surely  is the grandest of myths that creates the delusions on which ignoramuses like you feed on to deceive yourself. Knowing that for 6000 years our ancestors were the butt hole of india should inform your prejudices.

 

 The reality is an indian identified government took us to the brink. Their entire existence was a morass of corruption, greed and laissez faire looting of state assets. Their departure is a disinfecting.

 

The nation will recover and prosper and not account of black people being honorable but because good people always do better. Those skunk in the PPP has been a burden on  indian culture and they have poisoned it with their identification with it. It means those fools like you who presume you can speak for Indians as they did are like them toxic. In time you wont exist.

FM
Last edited by Former Member
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Venezuela worse state under Maduro is better than Guyana best state under Granger. Right now Guyana is worse and getting deteriorated each day by the new dictator. 

Yes Guyana is worse because "blackman".  Forget the fact that crime in Venezuela is much worse and that there are empty supermarkets.

 

Clearly you enjoyed life under Burnham, because this is Venezuela today.

FM
Dis for real? Couldn't find something better you cackroach you?
 
 
Originally Posted by Red Wine:

Coolies are never at lost even if they're defeated in an election. They are like cockroaches, they survive under harsh conditions.

cain

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