Moses Nagamotoo top the list GNI discussion forum.

He is quite a sensation.  His Coalition with APNU is historic.  He has done what Father of the Nation Jagan could not do.

 

He broke the tyranny of the PPP and parted the political see, bringing the PPP to its knees, and triggering mid-term elections.

 

What a man! A real man, with a wife.

Originally Posted by Cobra:

He is a betrayal factor for lying to the Guyanese people. That's why his name has mentioned so many times. He is on the public opinion list to stop him from succeeding and it works do far.

I am still waiting for an explanation of Moses definition of Nee NEE  NEemakaram. But I will wait until April 30, if no explanation then I will give mine.

Originally Posted by Cobra:

He is a betrayal factor for lying to the Guyanese people. That's why his name has mentioned so many times. He is on the public opinion list to stop him from succeeding and it works do far.

 

Moses is trash and an Incarnation of the word neemakharam. He lied that he will never be a Neemakharam.

 

I have ZERO respect for Judas and traitors.

 

He sits silently when 30 Percent of PNC has taken 75 Percent control. What a traitor !

Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

He is quite a sensation.  His Coalition with APNU is historic.  He has done what Father of the Nation Jagan could not do.

 

He broke the tyranny of the PPP and parted the political see, bringing the PPP to its knees, and triggering mid-term elections.

 

What a man! A real man, with a wife.

Why don't you wait until May 12th with your adulation.

 

Note that Granger is the boss of this coalition, if it wins.  You PPP exiles are living in a bubble.

Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Cobra, the question is:

 

Will the PNC give the AFC 13 of it's 26 seats ?

 

AFC cannot deliver. They are dead as doornail.

 

I will sit back and enjoy at the AFC and PNC fight like dogs for spoils. Trash Bin Moses will be kicked to the political curb.

Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Your 55% is as ridiculous as Kari's implied 40%.  This will be a 49-51% election.  Either side can win.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Your 55% is as ridiculous as Kari's implied 40%.  This will be a 49-51% election.  Either side can win.

Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Cobra:

He is a betrayal factor for lying to the Guyanese people. That's why his name has mentioned so many times. He is on the public opinion list to stop him from succeeding and it works do far.

 

Moses is trash and an Incarnation of the word neemakharam. He lied that he will never be a Neemakharam.

 

I have ZERO respect for Judas and traitors.

 

He sits silently when 30 Percent of PNC has taken 75 Percent control. What a traitor !

Who is more trash and filth than a gold teeth low breed ***** like you and snake piss?

Moses - more integrity than all the PPP boys put together.

 

If the Coalition wins, he would be the second father of the new Guyanese nation of national and racial unity.

 

And the whole cabinet will be at Sibley Hall to be renamed Bharriott 2.

 

We will issue a pardon to Yugi and send him to UG to get some education.

 

Simple - we will make sure he benefits from Manickchand's universal secondary education, since he only completed the primary level.

Originally Posted by Kari:
Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

very amusing . . . coming from the man who a-few-blinks-of-the-eye-ago poured pseudo-intellectual scorn on the coalition's chances, and saw no problem with [actually preferred!] giving the PPP five more years of plunder

 

smfh

Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Your 55% is as ridiculous as Kari's implied 40%.  This will be a 49-51% election.  Either side can win.

Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

I think ur analysis is slightly biased. If Moses popularity is so overwhelming, perhaps he might be thinking, he should not have teamed up the APNU. On the contrary, it is Granger that I percieve to have the momentum. Uninspiring as he may appear to be. 

 

Moses is riding on that crest. Without the APNU, he would be nothing. He is yet to meet his obligations-to unlodge the PPP block of voters on the Corentyne.

 

Indians, outside of the Corentyne are prone to vote for a new political party organization. For decades, they were challenged to consider that option.  

Originally Posted by seignet:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Your 55% is as ridiculous as Kari's implied 40%.  This will be a 49-51% election.  Either side can win.

Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

 

Moses is riding on that crest. Without the APNU, he would be nothing. He is yet to meet his obligations-to unlodge the PPP block of voters on the Corentyne.

 

 

 

Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

very amusing . . . coming from the man who a-few-blinks-of-the-eye-ago poured pseudo-intellectual scorn on the coalition's chances, and saw no problem with [actually preferred!] giving the PPP five more years of plunder

 

smfh

Redux, your lack of English Language comprehension and expressing yourself in a meandering way are legendary.

 

I believe that the binary choice with the advent of the coalition represents a binary choice - coolie vs black - and raises the specter of the old politics with the youth demographic not inured from their parents' dispositions. That, is mty reasoning for saying it was troubling.

 

I then saw the energy and enthusiasm on the part of AFC's rallies and the long faces and desperate moves by the PPP. It's called changing events on the ground that one cannot ignore (see- no ideological or biased thinking here, unlike your ossified positions). I then added this human intangible into my equation and regressed it to recent political trends. I find both the statistical significance and stochastic nature of human behavior to be relevant - unlike Caribny's linear thinking).

 

So Redux, in your exercise in commentary on my evolution of stuff on the ground you will find me holding on to first principles. I think smartly, something I encourage you to do rather than dabbling in smirky, stupid, juvenile retorts. Are you in a pissing contest or do you care about the well-being of Guyanese? You win bro......go slap your back now. I'm done with your shallow intellectual pretense or understanding of hard realities. I travel Guyana; I talk to people in ways that matter; I see changes and I understand trends. I also know statistics. Most importantly I'm a student of history.

Originally Posted by seignet:

I think ur analysis is slightly biased. If Moses popularity is so overwhelming, perhaps he might be thinking, he should not have teamed up the APNU. On the contrary, it is Granger that I percieve to have the momentum. Uninspiring as he may appear to be. 

 

Moses is riding on that crest. Without the APNU, he would be nothing. He is yet to meet his obligations-to unlodge the PPP block of voters on the Corentyne.

 

Indians, outside of the Corentyne are prone to vote for a new political party organization. For decades, they were challenged to consider that option.  

Indeed withou the APNU's 40% or so of the votes  the coalition is nothing. That's not my point. It's that Moses is making a difference between an opposition 49% or less and a PPP/C 51% or more. I may yet be proven wrong about the binary choice and resort to old habits; but I'm encouraged by the new dynamic of Moses. Both could be off the mark. That's why they hold the vote and not declare the elections based on GNI's writings.

 

Other than the usual suspects we all want to see a change in Government and an end to corruption. However what we write about here are realistic chances of each part winning - the coalition or the PPP/C. If you want cheer-leading and support that's a different matter. We all do what we can outside of this forum.

So if Moses is not pulling votes, why is the PPP so worried.  Just pretend he is a dud and relax until May 11 and let's see.

 

MOSES - a thorn in the flesh of the PPP.  Moses makes the PPP cry!

 

Long live the Coalition! Long Live Moses and David- the new heroes of Guyana.

Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

very amusing . . . coming from the man who a-few-blinks-of-the-eye-ago poured pseudo-intellectual scorn on the coalition's chances, and saw no problem with [actually preferred!] giving the PPP five more years of plunder

 

smfh

Redux, your lack of English Language comprehension and expressing yourself in a meandering way are legendary.

 

I believe that the binary choice with the advent of the coalition represents a binary choice - coolie vs black - and raises the specter of the old politics with the youth demographic not inured from their parents' dispositions. That, is mty reasoning for saying it was troubling.

 

I then saw the energy and enthusiasm on the part of AFC's rallies and the long faces and desperate moves by the PPP. It's called changing events on the ground that one cannot ignore (see- no ideological or biased thinking here, unlike your ossified positions). I then added this human intangible into my equation and regressed it to recent political trends. I find both the statistical significance and stochastic nature of human behavior to be relevant - unlike Caribny's linear thinking).

 

So Redux, in your exercise in commentary on my evolution of stuff on the ground you will find me holding on to first principles. I think smartly, something I encourage you to do rather than dabbling in smirky, stupid, juvenile retorts. Are you in a pissing contest or do you care about the well-being of Guyanese? You win bro......go slap your back now. I'm done with your shallow intellectual pretense or understanding of hard realities. I travel Guyana; I talk to people in ways that matter; I see changes and I understand trends. I also know statistics. Most importantly I'm a student of history.

fraud, opportunist and poser come to mind as i assess the piles of bilge u have posted in support of continued gangster PPP rule

 

oh yes, "ossified" ethnic politician with poor camouflage comes up too

 

dude, my bs detector has been on 'twitch' ever since i set eyes on your sustained, (reverse) brer rabbit campaign for an "apology" from APNU

 

also, look up the meaning of "meandering" or ask someone less confusd to help u out . . . it sounds nice in a sentence but it's not what u seem to think

 

btw, i understand there is an "ignore" button . . . feel free to use it!

Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

All I read here is pure adulation.  Symptomatic of your past PPP background when you then thought that Cheddi was god.

 

I also suggest that you wait to May 12th before you say much.  If APNU gets its normal votes in their strongholds, yet the PPP still gets 50.1% who are you going to blame?

 

 

Get it through your head.  There will be no way for the AFC to "claim" any votes in PNC strongholds because they are on the same ballot as the PNC.  So any increase in votes in those areas will be credited to the PNC< deservedly or not.

 

The other day you were skeptical of Moses making inroads into what should be his stronghold, the rural Indian vote.

 

Black people stopped worshipping politicians the day that Burnham threw them into rank poverty.  We leave that behavior to PPP exiles. 

 

For most blacks politicians are a means to an end.  They wish to see the end of the PPP, so will vote for any entity which they think might be able to do so.  And they will quickly turn on that same entity if it doesn't deliver.

 

Seriously, get a grip.  Soon you all will build a shrine to Moses.

Originally Posted by seignet:
 

Moses is riding on that crest. Without the APNU, he would be nothing.

Don't worry with Kari.  He falls in love with politicians the same way that 12 year old girls fall in love with pop stars.

 

If Moses was this giant who didn't need APNU he wouldn't have taken the risk of teaming up with the much maligned PNC.

 

Now Kari and Jay and the others imagine that Moses will part the waters, take over the PNC and encounter no resistance.

 

Kari here is the deal.  Large numbers of Guyanese are sick of the PPP, and will vote for a donkey if they thought that they can beat the PPP.  If it isn't clear that Moses is drawing huge numbers of the rural Indian vote, who know who he is, and who respect him, why does Kari think that others will flock to Moses.

 

I have heard him speak.  He is a decent man, clearly not corrupt.  But he is just as bland as Granger, and no more innovative.  Many people are sick of the PPP and are hopeful that Nagamootoo can bring enough votes away from the PPP to allow an APNU AFC win.

 

We will see what will happen on May 12th when HOPEFULLY the results are announced.  It will be close either way, and the group which has the best ground operation on May 11th will win.

 

So I repeat a PPP losss of 40% is as ridiculous as a PPP win of 55%.

 

If APNU doesn't get its base out then the PPP wins. The weapon that APNU AFC might have at its disposal to get a young urban vote out is Nigel Hughes.  NOT Moses, but apparently the powers that be seem intimidated by Hughes and so he isn't being used as much as he ought to be.

"take over the PNC and encounter no resistance."

 

We never said Moses would do this.  We have a Coalition based on shared decisionmaking, not Moses aiming to take over the PNC.  

 

Moses is not bland at all. He has always been a firebrand speaker.

 

Nigel is being used.  Somebody is spreading falsehoods to create friction.  Nigel just spoke at the Parade Ground meeting.

Carib banna, I know you mean well but there are conclusions that you make that rely on facts, and facts seem to be a mirage for you when it comes to what you know about me. So for your edification I'll give you some facts about me.

 

Firstly, I have NEVER been a member of any political party in Guyana. I have NEVER voted in any elections in Guyana.

 

If I have a past with any political party it's with the PNC as Ii worked for the Burnham government in 1980 - 84 with a contract similar to an expatriate so I did not have to joint the PNC or go to Hope Estate or join any rallies or so. My work with that government was largely with the private sector in something called counter-trade to help them get past the strictures of IMF/World Bank control of foreign earnings.

 

I do not know the PPP but yes, Moses Nagamootoo is a dear friend.

 

Let me give you an insight to my personna. Growing up as a Muslim I was taught not to idolize humans or human forms. The only people I admired as a young man were Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King. In my grown adult life I've come to admire what Nelson Madela has done. Other than that Caribny, there ain't no adulation for Moses.

 

Now go read the rest of what I posted before you jump to conclusions about me and my politics. In as much as I admire Obama as a leader I have not yet put him in that transformative  tier yet. Let the years of history pass first. I say this because I know how much you hate Obama and that I voted for him twice.

 

 

Originally Posted by redux:

fraud, opportunist and poser come to mind as i assess the piles of bilge u have posted in support of continued gangster PPP rule

 

oh yes, "ossified" ethnic politician with poor camouflage comes up too

 

dude, my bs detector has been on 'twitch' ever since i set eyes on your sustained, (reverse) brer rabbit campaign for an "apology" from APNU

 

also, look up the meaning of "meandering" or ask someone less confusd to help u out . . . it sounds nice in a sentence but it's not what u seem to think

 

btw, i understand there is an "ignore" button . . . feel free to use it!

Redux bhai........smh......I see you as an enigma like Storm and Carib....still smh....

Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Your 55% is as ridiculous as Kari's implied 40%.  This will be a 49-51% election.  Either side can win.

Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

Kari........

CaribJ is Racist Poke.....

 

 David Granger clearly say

Burnham Dead.....

 

and the PNC or Black People in Guyana

Do not have a Leader Name CaribJ.

 

Who is CaribJ? 

 

"J", Odinga Lamumba,

Kit Nascimento, McClean,

or Kwame McCoy

do not speak for the PNC...

 

It aint hard to get PNC

to clarify that

"J" as in Michael Jones

talking Balls....

 

Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

"take over the PNC and encounter no resistance."

.

Every time you and Kari sing the wonders of the mighty Moses and say nothing about Granger, and more importantly, about others within the PNC who Granger will have to deal with, you imply that you think that Moses walks on water and the Red Sea will part when he moves.

 

Well the Red Sea will NOT part when Moses moves.  The PNC dominates the coalition, and should the coalition win there are many within the PNC who will want to assume major leadership positions.

 

So you and Kari can erect your shrine to Moses, but others will be busy ensuring that their interests are protected.

 

You will be back with the PPP by July, I can already see that because you don't know what you are dealing with.

Originally Posted by Kari:

.

 

I do not know the PPP but yes, Moses Nagamootoo is a dear friend.

 

 

 

Well your friendship blinds you.  Moses might be seen as a decent man, but those who aren't motivated to vote PNC within PNC strongholds aren't going to be motivated because of Moses. 

 

Within the AFC it is Nigel Hughes who can make serious inroads, and also completely neutralize what ever threat Mark Benschop might pose.  The alienated people don't want "nice" people.  They want people who have demonstrated strength to advocate on their behalf.

 

Indeed, but for the need to split the Indian vote, it would have been Hughes and not Nagamootoo who would have been the AFC leader.  That is assuming that he wishes to be involved full time in politics, which isn't necessarily obvious.

 

If Moses doesn't bring in enough Indian votes, the coalition loses.  

 

So Kari are you saying that the PPP will only get 40% of the votes, because that is the only way that the AFC, based on Nagamootoo,  is going to get more than 12 seats based on votes that it brings in?

Originally Posted by Jay Bharrat:

If the Coalition wins, that will be OK.

 

WE may do one with Moses and David.  What they did is historic.

There is only one man who fully controlled the PNC, and he died 30 years ago.

 

Since then it is divided by factions which mirror intra class conflicts that exist within the Afro Guyanese population.  There are those who are comfortable and can survive in any environment as they have the skills and the education.  And there are others connected to those folks less able to protect themselves against racism directed against them by the Indian elites.

 

Now you will fool yourself that there are "moderates" and "radicals".  The PNC fractured once already, and this might well happen again.  So don't act so self confident that David and Moses have everything under control. 

 

BOTH will have to negotiate with the various factions, or face insurrection by folks who think that "their time has come".  And Moses isn't going to have any juice with those factions, especially if they believe that he didn't deliver enough votes.

Originally Posted by Kari:
. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

 

This will continue to be the race vote.  The urban youths who don't vote aren't going to vote because of Moses.  They respond to Benschop and to Hughes.  Not to some ageing man who must be near 70!

 

So the Nagamootoo vote comes ONLY from Indians, and maybe Amerindians.

 

So are you implying that the PPP will lose 20% of its votes, that is over and above what they lost last time......which would suggest more than a 25% switch away from the PPP among those who will actually vote.

Originally Posted by Jalil:
Originally Posted by Kari:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Cobra:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Kari:

. In fact the AFC should be good for more than 12 seats.

APNU already has 26, and I don't see why they should do worse.  So if the AFC gets 13, are you suggesting that the PPP will only get 26 seats, implying 40% if the votes?

Let me remind you that the PPP will win the election with 55% of the vote. Moses cannot deliver what he promise this time around.

Your 55% is as ridiculous as Kari's implied 40%.  This will be a 49-51% election.  Either side can win.

Caribny, your thinking (and I use the word liberally) is linear. Let's say Brian ara is good for 200 runs every innings, but there is no one who bats responsibly. He then does not achieve this potential. In comes Chanderapul and Lara's abilities get validated and he scores double centuries with consistency.

 

APNU (largely PNC) topped out at 40% and looks moribund, firs with Corbin and then a gentleman, yes, but uninspiring Granger. See if that young demographic will jump out of their couches to go vote, and if the old-timers will be bothered. Same ole, same ole they'll say....and nothing will change.

 

Along comes Moses Nagamootoo with leadership that challenges conventions, mine included, and say I will change the dynamics that your statistics show can't be changed. The AFC gets energized and the PNC voters take notice, and say, yes we can. Then again the last campaign that used "Yes, we can" as a theme only got vitriol from you.

 

So go wallow in your simplex analysis and talk about APNU 40% and PPP 49% and say the AFC can't be better than 11 and the coalition is charitable with 12, and that Granger leads the coalition, etc. thus diminishing Moses' galvanizing breath of life into an opposition that couldn't sniff Jagdeo's butt (pardon the phrase), let alone Ramotar's belly.

 

You're really hung up on static statistics, like Stormborn (who embellishes them sometimes and ascribes false weights). To borrow a phrase Caribny "that's why they play the game". It's not won on paper. The US upset Russia in 1980 in hickey. Villanova stunned Georgetown of the Ewing era. The '96 Yankees came back against the powerful Atlanta braves pitching, and on and on......

 

you should all underestimate Moses Nagamootoo at your own peril. The man has stunnjingly changed the 2015 election dynamic - no doubt about that.

Kari........

CaribJ is Racist Poke.....

 

 David Granger clearly say

Burnham Dead.....

 

and the PNC or Black People in Guyana

Do not have a Leader Name CaribJ.

 

Who is CaribJ? 

 

"J", Odinga Lamumba,

Kit Nascimento, McClean,

or Kwame McCoy

do not speak for the PNC...

 

It aint hard to get PNC

to clarify that

"J" as in Michael Jones

talking Balls....

 

 Racist Jones.... believe he is the Stinker

who will topple the AFC-PNC Accord.

 

Granger already say Burnham Dead...

 

Who is "J" as in Jimmy Jones...

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