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How long before the white working class realizes Trump was just scamming them?

While we’re still analyzing the election results and debating the importance of different factors to the final outcome, everyone agrees that white working class voters played a key part in Donald Trump’s victory, in some cases by switching their votes and in some cases by turning out when they had been nonvoters before.

And now that he’s about to take office, he’s ready to deliver on what he promised them, right? Well, maybe not so much:

 

"President-elect Donald Trump abruptly abandoned some of his most tendentious campaign promises Tuesday, saying he does not plan to prosecute Hillary Clinton for her use of a private email system or the dealings of her family foundation, has an “open mind” about a climate-change accord from which he vowed to withdraw the United States and is no longer certain that torturing terrorism suspects is a good idea."

 

The billionaire real estate developer also dismissed any need to disentangle himself from his financial holdings, despite rising questions about how his global business dealings might affect his decision-making as the nation’s chief executive.

And it’s not just that; at the same time, the Trump administration and congressional Republicans are getting ready to move on their highest priorities, cutting taxes for the wealthy, scrapping oversight on Wall Street, and lightening regulations on big corporations.

Imagine you’re one of those folks who went to Trump rallies and thrilled to his promises to take America back from the establishment, who felt your heart stir as he promised to torture prisoners, who got your “Trump That B***h” T-shirt, who was overjoyed to finally have a candidate who tells it like it is. What are you thinking as you watch this?

If you have any sense, you’re coming to the realization that it was all a scam. You got played. While you were chanting “Lock her up!” he was laughing at you for being so gullible. While you were dreaming about how you’d have an advocate in the Oval Office, he was dreaming about how he could use it to make himself richer. He hasn’t even taken office yet and everything he told you is already being revealed as a lie.

During the campaign, Trump made two kinds of promises to those white working class voters. One was very practical, focused on economics. In coal country, he said he’d bring back all the coal jobs that have been lost to cheap natural gas (even as he promotes more fracking of natural gas; figure that one out). In the industrial Midwest, he said he’d bring back all the labor-intensive factory jobs that were mostly lost to automation, not trade deals. These promises were utterly ludicrous, but most of the target voters seemed not to care.

The second kind of promise was emotional and expressive. It was about turning back the clock to a time when immigrants hadn’t come to your town, when women weren’t so uppity, when you could say whatever you wanted and you didn’t feel like the culture and the economy were leaving you behind. So Trump said he’d toss Hillary Clinton in jail, force everyone to say “Merry Christmas” again, and sue those dastardly liberal news organizations into submission.

And of course, there were promises — like building a wall on the southern border and making Mexico pay for it just so they know who’s boss — that claimed to serve a practical purpose but also had an important expressive purpose. And now one by one Trump is casting them all off.

So what are we left with? What remains is Trump’s erratic whims, his boundless greed, and the core of Republican policies Congress will pursue, which are most definitely not geared toward the interests of working class whites. He can gut environmental regulations, but that doesn’t mean millions of people are going to head back to the coal mines — it was market forces more than anything else that led to coal’s decline. He can renegotiate trade deals, but that doesn’t mean that the labor-intensive factory jobs are coming back. And by the way, the high wages, good benefits, and job security those jobs used to offer? That was thanks to labor unions, which Republicans are now going to try to destroy once and for all.

Had Hillary Clinton won the election, the white working class might have gotten some tangible benefits — a higher minimum wage, overtime pay, paid family and medical leave, more secure health insurance, and so on. Trump and the Republicans oppose all that. So what did the white working class actually get? They got the election itself. They got to give a big middle finger to the establishment, to the coastal elites, to immigrants, to feminists, to college students, to popular culture, to political correctness, to every person and impersonal force they see arrayed against them. And that was it.

So what happens in two years when there’s a congressional election and two years after that when Trump runs for a second term? Those voters may look around and say, Hey wait a minute. That paradise of infinite winning Trump promised? It didn’t happen. My community still faces the same problems it did before. There’s no new factory in town with thousands of jobs paying great salaries. Everybody doesn’t have great health insurance with no cost-sharing for incredibly low premiums. I still hear people speaking Spanish from time to time. Women and minorities are still demanding that I treat them with respect. Music and movies and TV still make me feel like I’m being left behind. When Trump told me he’d wipe all that away, he was conning me. In fact, in many ways he was the fullest expression of the caricature of politicians (everything they say is a lie, they’re only out for themselves) I thought I was striking back against when I supported him.

Those voters may decide to vote for a Democrat next time. Or they may be demobilized, deciding that there isn’t much point to voting at all. The nearly all-white areas where turnout shot up in 2016 might settle right back down to where they used to be.

Or maybe Trump will find a way to actually improve the lives of working class voters. That’s theoretically possible, but absolutely nothing he has done or said so far suggests that he has any idea how to do it, or even the inclination. So he may try to keep the fires of hatred, resentment, and fear burning, in the hopes that people forget that he hasn’t given them the practical things he said he would.

Source: http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/...ming-them/ar-AAkI3Gt

 

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The white working class don't care. As long as they don't have a woman or a blackman as their president. Trump wants to be the most popular person around. He craves attention and would say anything to get it.

FM

The billionaire real estate developer also dismissed any need to disentangle himself from his financial holdings, despite rising questions about how his global business dealings might affect his decision-making as the nation’s chief executive.

And it’s not just that; at the same time, the Trump administration and congressional Republicans are getting ready to move on their highest priorities, cutting taxes for the wealthy, scrapping oversight on Wall Street, and lightening regulations on big corporations.

Mitwah
Django posted:

Mits,

Looks like we are going to have "4 yrs of administration" where a few will take home the bacon,and the cookie crumbles for the gullible.

Them hillbillies and rapture ready tribals will not stand for starvation. They will beg for an O'mally or any of a long list of progressive to come to fish them out of the breadline.

FM

Jugli, Imagine you’re one of those folks who went to Trump rallies and thrilled to his promises to take America back from the establishment, who felt your heart stir as he promised to torture prisoners, who got your “Trump That B***h” T-shirt, who was overjoyed to finally have a candidate who tells it like it is. What are you thinking as you watch this?

If you have any sense, you’re coming to the realization that it was all a scam. You got played. While you were chanting “Lock her up!” he was laughing at you for being so gullible. While you were dreaming about how you’d have an advocate in the Oval Office, he was dreaming about how he could use it to make himself richer. He hasn’t even taken office yet and everything he told you is already being revealed as a lie.

Mitwah
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Danyael posted:
Django posted:

Mits,

Looks like we are going to have "4 yrs of administration" where a few will take home the bacon,and the cookie crumbles for the gullible.

Them hillbillies and rapture ready tribals will not stand for starvation. They will beg for an O'mally or any of a long list of progressive to come to fish them out of the breadline.

True deh, unlike the PNC constituency in Guyana.  But then again, there were the farmers to take from.

Now to Mits question how long will the White working class......   I'm confident they will not stand for it as long as the Black [non] working class hung around with the Democrats hoping for a miracle!!

FM
Mitwah posted:

The billionaire real estate developer also dismissed any need to disentangle himself from his financial holdings, despite rising questions about how his global business dealings might affect his decision-making as the nation’s chief executive.

And it’s not just that; at the same time, the Trump administration and congressional Republicans are getting ready to move on their highest priorities, cutting taxes for the wealthy, scrapping oversight on Wall Street, and lightening regulations on big corporations.

All job creation moves!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Mitwah posted:

The billionaire real estate developer also dismissed any need to disentangle himself from his financial holdings, despite rising questions about how his global business dealings might affect his decision-making as the nation’s chief executive.

And it’s not just that; at the same time, the Trump administration and congressional Republicans are getting ready to move on their highest priorities, cutting taxes for the wealthy, scrapping oversight on Wall Street, and lightening regulations on big corporations.

All job creation moves!

Cancel Dood/frank and even you will be crying as the last safety to your money being squandered by the rich is removed. When did trickle down ever work?

FM
Danyael posted:
Django posted:

Mits,

Looks like we are going to have "4 yrs of administration" where a few will take home the bacon,and the cookie crumbles for the gullible.

Them hillbillies and rapture ready tribals will not stand for starvation. They will beg for an O'mally or any of a long list of progressive to come to fish them out of the breadline.

Dem believe in miracles. Trump was the first of many more to come.

S
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Danyael posted:
ba$eman posted:

All job creation moves!

Cancel Dood/frank and even you will be crying as the last safety to your money being squandered by the rich is removed. When did trickle down ever work?

D2, everything in economics is about trickle-down.  Don't fool yourself, even the Commies have this concept in place.  The question is balance and how do you regulate the "valve and filter" so enough trickle and at the correct velocity to allow everyone to thrive and live a decent life.

Reagan and Clinton trickle down saw the greatest expansion in modern US history!

FM
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

FM

Had Hillary Clinton won the election, the white working class might have gotten some tangible benefits — a higher minimum wage, overtime pay, paid family and medical leave, more secure health insurance, and so on. Trump and the Republicans oppose all that. So what did the white working class actually get? They got the election itself. They got to give a big middle finger to the establishment, to the coastal elites, to immigrants, to feminists, to college students, to popular culture, to political correctness, to every person and impersonal force they see arrayed against them. And that was it.

So what happens in two years when there’s a congressional election and two years after that when Trump runs for a second term? Those voters may look around and say, Hey wait a minute. That paradise of infinite winning Trump promised? It didn’t happen. My community still faces the same problems it did before. There’s no new factory in town with thousands of jobs paying great salaries. Everybody doesn’t have great health insurance with no cost-sharing for incredibly low premiums. I still hear people speaking Spanish from time to time. Women and minorities are still demanding that I treat them with respect. Music and movies and TV still make me feel like I’m being left behind. When Trump told me he’d wipe all that away, he was conning me. In fact, in many ways he was the fullest expression of the caricature of politicians (everything they say is a lie, they’re only out for themselves) I thought I was striking back against when I supported him.

 

Mitwah
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

You are not even considered to white nor  part of the working class. You will not get health insurance with no cost sharing as he promised you.  He is giving you middle finger.

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

You are not even considered to white nor  part of the working class. You will not get health insurance with no cost sharing as he promised you.  He is giving you middle finger.

Oh, don't worry, baseman is just fine!!  Trump making all the right moves!

FM
RiffRaff posted:

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Oh, I was not aware at all, I thought the White man were the Natives.  I'll go and dig up a history book!

FM
RiffRaff posted:
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Suh dah give the non-whites excuses to do as dem well pleases. News fuh yuh. White Americans, doan gives a rats ass if dey were immigrants. Dey have the place and welcome VISITORS. Now, dey have the right to turn dem away. Bad People mek bad fuh everybady.

S

While the analysis is fine, and in fact President Clinton would have been better for the white working class (after all they get preference over the black and Hispanic working class for the better jobs available to the poorly educated).

However candidate Clinton wasn't better.  Her team put up a middle finger to the white working class, and determined that a blow out victory among college educated whites, especially women, was what she wanted for victory.  So Hillary did NOT campaign in WI after the primaries.

And her messaging was more aimed at the intellectual elites, who care about Trump's boorish behavior, and embarrassed that he peals open that scab which covers the visceral racism which remained buried, not too deep, in the American psyche.

What it did NOT address was the need to provide evidence that Trump cares little for the working class, as evidenced by how he treats those in his employ. And how hostile he was to the auto bail out

Now I thought that the 100% thrust of Hillary during the debates would have been that. But instead she pulled the issue that she thought concerned college educated females.

As is usual with the Rich White Liberals, they are "experts" on the black and Latin voter.  These are after all monolithic blocs.


Scare Latins about immigration, as that is the only issue that interests them. Even in FL, where they are Puerto Ricans and Cubans who don't care the slightest about that topic.

Scare blacks about the KKK running them down, and think that all one needs to do is go to the black churches, even as attendance by younger blacks is declining.

So Trump won 49% of the white college educated vote, with Hillary winning 45%.   So she didn't win sufficient white college educated votes to offset the loss of white working class votes in the Midwest that Obama won.

And then a decline in the black vote.  Many didn't see why they should bother when it was just "two old white people at the top".  And there are now quiet murmurs among some blacks that 8 years after the first black president was elected into office, they don't feel any better off. So they didn't see why an old white lady will do better.

I suggest that the Rich White Liberals stop whining and understand that, after losing the House, the Senate and the state legislatures, NONE of this because of Trump, that they have lots of work to do.

Or we might see the GOP getting a veto proof majority in the Senate.

In the interim its interesting that the Dems no longer boast about a Demographic Advantage, thinking as they do that black and Latin voters will do as Rich White Liberals command that they do.

FM

Black voters let the democratic party down. They voted for Obama(their own, as they do in Guyana) and not for Clinton. Trump knew the blacks would not get off their asses and go vote.

FM
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

Please tell me.  If the white man lost this country, then who was owning it all of these years?  Women? Blacks? "Foreigners'?

The naked racism implicit in this is plain for all to see. The Rich White Man NEVER lost control of this country. What he did  was to throw the Poor White Man under the bus by globalization, and automation, and by maintaining the worst educational system, and the public infrastructure of any wealthy nation.

Along comes another Rich White Man, who once again fools Poor White Men, that there is this collegiality among White Men.

What we are about to see is the biggest asset grab of the super wealthy that this nation has ever seen.  Trump has plans to invest in China, and borrows from Chinese banks.  You think that he is going to risk his interests to get some job for some Poor White Man, who he think is too greedy and should work for less?

All of these lobbyists and oligarchs have taken control of this Trump administration.  They thank Trump for pulling an even bigger con on the Poor White Man than they could have ever done.

I have been listening to CNBC and you should see the endless boasts by Rich White Men about the nirvana that they will experience when Trump hands over the entire piggy bank to them.

Yes among proposed changes will be elimination/reduction of FDIC insurance. So when Dodd/Frank is eliminated and the banks implode, they will get bailed out, while the Poor White Men, lose their retirement savings!

Let us see when Obama care subsidies, that enable many Poor White Men, to get healthy insurance, is replaced by tax vouchers, of use only to those who pay high taxes.  Let us see when Poor White Men, go get insurance through their employers, are told to go buy their own.

The Poor White Men will wail and scream and blame Obama, Mexicans, and blacks, and Muslims. Any one but their silly selves for thinking that a man, who purports to be a billionaire, cares the slightest about them.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

Black voters let the democratic party down. They voted for Obama(their own, as they do in Guyana) and not for Clinton. Trump knew the blacks would not get off their asses and go vote.

Blacks are accustomed to suffering, so they will survive.

I look forward to the screams of the Poor White Man, when they wail that "they want that ni99er back, as life is so hard under this New York shyster, who conned them out of their life savings".

FM
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Black voters let the democratic party down. They voted for Obama(their own, as they do in Guyana) and not for Clinton. Trump knew the blacks would not get off their asses and go vote.

Blacks are accustomed to suffering, so they will survive.

I look forward to the screams of the Poor White Man, when they wail that "they want that ni99er back, as life is so hard under this New York shyster, who conned them out of their life savings".

Blacks don't take any strain. Why you think they migrate to large cities? They will survive yes, at the backs of the hard working innocent people.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
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Blacks don't take any strain. Why you think they migrate to large cities? They will survive yes, at the backs of the hard working innocent people.

So says a man who is part of a group which flees to Toronto and NYC.

In fact 60% of blacks in this country live in the SOUTH.  65% of Guyanese in the USA live in or around NYC.

FM
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Suh dah give the non-whites excuses to do as dem well pleases. News fuh yuh. White Americans, doan gives a rats ass if dey were immigrants. Dey have the place and welcome VISITORS. Now, dey have the right to turn dem away. Bad People mek bad fuh everybady.

eventually, white people will be in the minority....and they will have to tow the line

FM
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Suh dah give the non-whites excuses to do as dem well pleases. News fuh yuh. White Americans, doan gives a rats ass if dey were immigrants. Dey have the place and welcome VISITORS. Now, dey have the right to turn dem away. Bad People mek bad fuh everybady.

My answer is based on the notion that the white man wants his country back...it was never his to begin with

FM
ba$eman posted:
RiffRaff posted:

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Oh, I was not aware at all, I thought the White man were the Natives.  I'll go and dig up a history book!

I could see why yuh talk so much nonsense

FM
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
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Blacks don't take any strain. Why you think they migrate to large cities? They will survive yes, at the backs of the hard working innocent people.

So says a man who is part of a group which flees to Toronto and NYC.

In fact 60% of blacks in this country live in the SOUTH.  65% of Guyanese in the USA live in or around NYC.

FYI. Never lived in NY or Toronto. When we left Guyana was spiraling down under your hero.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
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FYI. Never lived in NY or Toronto. When we left Guyana was spiraling down under your hero.

Vast majority of your fellow PPP supporters pick TO or NY.  FACT.  So quit with your usual anti black racist nonsense.

FM
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RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Suh dah give the non-whites excuses to do as dem well pleases. News fuh yuh. White Americans, doan gives a rats ass if dey were immigrants. Dey have the place and welcome VISITORS. Now, dey have the right to turn dem away. Bad People mek bad fuh everybady.

My answer is based on the notion that the white man wants his country back...it was never his to begin with

Dem ppl had ships to tek dem to the ends of the earth. Maybe, juss 20 ahdem confused millions in native lands.

White People got baltz. 

S
RiffRaff posted:
seignet posted:
RiffRaff posted:
ba$eman posted:

The White man has taken his country back and will make it great again so we will soon realize why we all ran here and away from the Valley of the Shadow of darkness!!

if you study history, you will know that white people are immigrants..

The original owners were the natives

Suh dah give the non-whites excuses to do as dem well pleases. News fuh yuh. White Americans, doan gives a rats ass if dey were immigrants. Dey have the place and welcome VISITORS. Now, dey have the right to turn dem away. Bad People mek bad fuh everybady.

eventually, white people will be in the minority....and they will have to tow the line

keep dreaming. Dem people dat know how to kill. Dem only civilized since 1914. Yuh living among ignorant ppl.

S

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