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FM
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The WPA had an inflated estimation of their support

Dear Editor,

 

I refer to the rather startling claim in Mr Tacuma Ogunseye’s letter, ‘I concentrate on the African community so it can develop progressive politics based on power-sharing’ (SN, April 4):

“I recall in the run-up to the historic 1992 general and regional elections with the arrival of Mr Ravi Dev and his ROAR party, Dev introduced the doctrine (sic) that Africans cannot speak for Indians and that the WPA was promoting political deception by making the claim that it is a multi-racial party… The 1992 elections resulted in victory for the PPPC and demonstrated that the Dev doctrine worked to the advantage of that party.”

I recall the facts quite differently. Firstly, Rise, Organise And Rally (ROAR) ‒ against crime ‒ was not even formed until Jan 17, 1999 following the brutal attacks on Indians in Georgetown on Jan 12th 1998. Secondly, Mr Ogunseye is confusing the point we made to the political parties then about “what is” and what they thought “ought to be” on voting preferences which came almost a decade before.

Since returning in 1989, I found the political parties making all sorts of claims about their political support. The WPA had an inflated estimation of their support and this played a great part in the breakup of the ‘Patriotic Coalition for Democracy’ (PCD).  This had been formed by opposition parties opposing the illegal PNC regime, and which most had hoped would contest the elections on a single slate.

In Aug 1991, some individuals, ,including Baytoram Ramharack, who was completing his PhD dissertation from NYU, and myself, conducted what we believe to be the first poll checking political preferences in Guyana. The poll, conducted under the name ‘Turkeyen Research and Polling Institute’ (TRPI) was published in the SN. Expressed as a % of the total electorate of 384,000, and comparing the results to the 1992 elections shows:

   1991      1992      % chg

PPP                  35.6       42.5       + 7.1

PNC                 27.1         33.3       +6.2

WPA                   4.2          1.6         -2.6

TUF                  2.1          0.8         -1.3

DLM                 3.7          0.4         -3.3

URP                    2.9          0.3         -2.6

Total                  75.6        78.9

Not Voting          75.6      78.9         +3.2

The WPA, however, were still convinced they could win the elections with their “real” multi-racial support. A month after the poll, in an SN interview of September 15 1991, the WPA’s presidential candidate Dr Clive Thomas declared, “I really do feel that the WPA will do exceptionally well in this election…even me who is considered the most pessimistic of the leadership in the party about our prospects.” In a December 1991 SN article, a WPA executive on the PCD vehemently rejected the TRPI numbers. Speculating on the influence of race (declining), the youth factor (increasing), new Indian leaders, crowd attendance, etc, he declared conclusively: “I would put the PNC a considerable distance behind the WPA…Frankly I believe it [PNC support] to be around 10-12%.”

On Sept 30th  1992, five days before the elections I repeated this point in a letter to SN and said, “Oct 5th will test our hypothesis” (not “doctrine”) about voting preferences.  The hypothesis was vindicated.

What brought about the colloquy between the WPA and myself and Baytoram Ramharack was the publication of an SN report on a Sept 15 WPA Kitty launch of its manifesto captioned, ‘WPA says PPP is predominantly an Indian racial party’ where Clive Thomas was quoted as saying those words. I said (SN, Sept 19, 1992) that “The WPA was playing a dangerous game” since, as the party claiming ownership of the “multi-racial” space, it chose to only attack the PPP for its Indian support base and not the PNC for its African support base.

I pointed out, “In their constant drumbeat of an “Indian party” winning political power; of Indians controlling economic power and having strong cultural institutions and Africans losing it all…they are repeating the campaign of New Nation 1960-61 which created a mindset in African Guyanese leading directly to the riots of 1962.”

Yours faithfully,

Ravi Dev

 

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Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

Next standing in line to bend over the desk for lashes: AFC.

FM
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Redux bai, you forgot to include some of your GNI trademarks like { [ (. We miss those good times. We have seen the . . . already.

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Hey hey hey...ayoo hear de one love bruddah Ronan. Me na know bout ROAR but me doan touch feet of mediocres and hypocrites. Hey hey hey...Ravi buss up ayoo bag of hypocrits. 

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Hey hey hey...ayoo hear de one love bruddah Ronan. Me na know bout ROAR but me doan touch feet of mediocres and hypocrites. Hey hey hey...Ravi buss up ayoo bag of hypocrits. 

deal with what i post . . . apparently you can't

Ravi is still yuh leadah

FM
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ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Hey hey hey...ayoo hear de one love bruddah Ronan. Me na know bout ROAR but me doan touch feet of mediocres and hypocrites. Hey hey hey...Ravi buss up ayoo bag of hypocrits. 

busing me doan cut it . . . Ravi is still yuh leadah

Ohhh...coolie peopkle doan have right foh choose dem leader na? 

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Hey hey hey...ayoo hear de one love bruddah Ronan. Me na know bout ROAR but me doan touch feet of mediocres and hypocrites. Hey hey hey...Ravi buss up ayoo bag of hypocrits. 

busing me doan cut it . . . Ravi is still yuh leadah

Ohhh...coolie peopkle doan have right foh choose dem leader na? 

Bai Labbaman, Burnham gee dis redux dude a ping pong scholarship to come to America. De man freeloaded of dem poe Guyanese people. Now ah he time fuh gee back to the PNC .

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Hey hey hey...ayoo hear de one love bruddah Ronan. Me na know bout ROAR but me doan touch feet of mediocres and hypocrites. Hey hey hey...Ravi buss up ayoo bag of hypocrits. 

busing me doan cut it . . . Ravi is still yuh leadah

Ohhh...coolie peopkle doan have right foh choose dem leader na? 

oh, but they do

methinks thou protesteth too much sir

pitiful straw man, no?

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Hey hey hey...ayoo hear de one love bruddah Ronan. Me na know bout ROAR but me doan touch feet of mediocres and hypocrites. Hey hey hey...Ravi buss up ayoo bag of hypocrits. 

busing me doan cut it . . . Ravi is still yuh leadah

Ohhh...coolie peopkle doan have right foh choose dem leader na? 

oh, but they do

methinks thou protesteth too much sir

pitiful straw man, no?

Me na protest. Me like expose de hypocricy of de one love bruddahs dem. 

FM

Dem WPA too big eye. Dem don't have votes to justify their demands.

The AFC is in a worse position, their party is dead. How can they justify ?

Hey Hey Hey

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...look dem WPA hypocrits. Only focus pon PPP is coolie party and ignore PNC is blackman party. Hey hey hey...no wonder one of dem was mastermind. 

dude . . . Clive dem, at the time, were claiming the Black vote

they were delusional . . . projecting 10-12% for the PNC

in context, then, you are being an idiot!

y'all at ROAR curling yuh lips and sneering at blackman aren't even tall enuf to touch the knees of the WPA (with all their faults)

Redux bai, you forgot to include some of your GNI trademarks like { [ (. We miss those good times. We have seen the . . . already.

Ha Ha!

FM

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