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Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

Cheddi did NOTHING to dilute the Indian face of the PPP.  He saw blacks as dependent charity cases with nothing to offer in terms of leadership, nor did he recognize their right to have input in the running of Guyana.

Aside from Roger Luncheon who were the PPP blacks with any clout?  Don't say Ashton Chase!  Luncheon was so blinded by his communist ideology that he didn't even think that fighting for the rights of Afro Guyanese and mixed Guyanese when the PPP excluded them was irrelevant. 

When asked about exclusion of non Indians from top decision making positions Luncheon couldn't deny it, and he couldn't explain it either. What was apparent is that even though he was aware of this he did NOTHING to prevent it!

That is until APNU went after PPP blacks only then did Luncheon query as to why the PPP seemed concerned only about PPP Indians.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:

Civic section has been and is still a part of the of the PPPC group. 

And AFC is part of the coalition. Your point?  At least parts of the AFC can signal their disagreement with certain actions of APNU.

Does Civic even have the level of organization where this is possible?  Civic is as dead as the "R" in the PNC/R.

FM
Keffer posted:
Nehru posted:

Amral, I do not want to disappoint you, but that will NOT happen in 2 decades. Currently, the PNC is putting their total focus on staying in POWER for a very long time by Hook or Crook!!!

Primarily by Crook !

It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

What drives them to repeating the same actions over and over again ?

Is it in their DNA to rig AND becoming dictators ?

Experts need to examine this phenomenon on Guyana.

 

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

FM
yuji22 posted:
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It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

 

 

Jagdeo is way more dictatorial than Granger but the racist that you are you cannot see this.  He consorted with drug dealers who had ties to various Colombian cartels and used them to intimidate those who he didn't like. 

You can chose to forget the invasion of KN by some of these hooligans, who then killed some of their employees and presumably tried to kill the owners and/or editorial staff.  True Burnham tactics but with all of his warts I have yet to see Granger engage in this.

The PPP, as it begins to see its tribal advantage vanish, was also beginning to engage in rigging tactics.  The insertion of fake ballots and other attempts to subvert the process was noted.  In addition when the vote turnout in G/T was much higher than the PPP anticipated they sent known PPP thugs around the city trying to antagonize the population/ The plot being to have violence erupt, and this allow them to cancel the election.

But its the Indo KKK racists and other tribalists who are unable to see that the PPP is just as hungry for power at all costs as is the PNC.  And will attempt to rig if they fear an electoral loss. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

 

 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

You can jump and scream as you wish with your new found tribal loyalties but the Civic had no independence from the PPP than did the Bantustans of the apartheid era.

What did Civic do as the PPP descended into the "coolie people party" that even Rohee admitted that it was? 

When Luncheon was exposed as the impotent black stooge who admitted that blacks were under represented and marginalized by the PPP what did Uncle Tom stooges like Sam Hinds do but to wage war against the blacks who openly discussed this?

The only time Sam Hinds opened his mouth was to dump on blacks dropping PPP fecal matter on us. No wonder he was booed every time he showed up around black crowds!

Cheddi was dead by then so any misguided devotion that they had to him was no longer necessary!

Go ahead and insult Afro Guyanese who live in Brooklyn.  Now you are no different from yuji, and druggie who do the same!  I do NOT live in Brooklyn so your screams aren't directed against me!

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

 

 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

You can jump and scream as you wish with your new found tribal loyalties but the Civic had no independence from the PPP than did the Bantustans of the apartheid era.

What did Civic do as the PPP descended into the "coolie people party" that even Rohee admitted that it was? 

When Luncheon was exposed as the impotent black stooge who admitted that blacks were under represented and marginalized by the PPP what did Uncle Tom stooges like Sam Hinds do but to wage war against the blacks who openly discussed this?

The only time Sam Hinds opened his mouth was to dump on blacks dropping PPP fecal matter on us. No wonder he was booed every time he showed up around black crowds!

Cheddi was dead by then so any misguided devotion that they had to him was no longer necessary!

Go ahead and insult Afro Guyanese who live in Brooklyn.  Now you are no different from yuji, and druggie who do the same!  I do NOT live in Brooklyn so your screams aren't directed against me!

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

FM
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And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

FM
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Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

FM
caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

I never stated or implied that Cheddi is a god. Your racist mind told you so.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gill, don't waste the time of the day with "blackman go kill abie"  writer, he is GNI poster boy for Racist. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

K
yuji22 posted:

Has this loud mouth chap disappeared from the face of the earth or is he afraid of Granger and the PNC ?

This Black Sheep sold out his parents values and principles to the PNC EVIL Dictatorship and has since remained silent.

Paging anyone who has some inside scoop on Jackass Joey.

Haven't heard anything about him in a while.  I did see Nadira Jagan in NYC at an event this summer.  Think she is his daughter.

alena06
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

Bhai, CBJ would do any and everthing to be the HEAD of any movement. So determined, he rather let the PPP split and turn the country into hate.

Siding wth Rodney, then realizing he was going to be displaced. Feeling threatened by the WPA, he quietly distanced himself from Rodney.

Then GUARD was going to make him irrelevant.

He quickly nullified the efforts of Paul Tennessse when he Cheddie was giving critical support to the PNC.

Then he created his own version of the CIVIL SOCIETY, the "Civic" in which he pulled Sam Hinds from GUARD. I doan know what he promised Hinds, maybe to be a useless Prime Minister like Nagamootoo. CBJ certainly belittled the man.

He also killed the vibrancy of GUARD which could have stood up to Janet, Jagdeo and Granger.

I will always maintain, that communist never cared one iota for Guyanese people. He had too much ego disguised as a caring person.  

S
seignet posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

Bhai, CBJ would do any and everthing to be the HEAD of any movement. So determined, he rather let the PPP split and turn the country into hate.

Siding wth Rodney, then realizing he was going to be displaced. Feeling threatened by the WPA, he quietly distanced himself from Rodney.

Then GUARD was going to make him irrelevant.

He quickly nullified the efforts of Paul Tennessse when he Cheddie was giving critical support to the PNC.

Then he created his own version of the CIVIL SOCIETY, the "Civic" in which he pulled Sam Hinds from GUARD. I doan know what he promised Hinds, maybe to be a useless Prime Minister like Nagamootoo. CBJ certainly belittled the man.

He also killed the vibrancy of GUARD which could have stood up to Janet, Jagdeo and Granger.

I will always maintain, that communist never cared one iota for Guyanese people. He had too much ego disguised as a caring person.  

But u know all of dat.

S
kp posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gill, don't waste the time of the day with "blackman go kill abie"  writer, he is GNI poster boy for Racist. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

That cannibal is mistaken if he thinks that he can boil me in his racial cauldron. Look at the many racially charged words he pelts my way. When I respond accordingly he is offended.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

Cheddi did NOTHING to dilute the Indian face of the PPP.  He saw blacks as dependent charity cases with nothing to offer in terms of leadership, nor did he recognize their right to have input in the running of Guyana.

Aside from Roger Luncheon who were the PPP blacks with any clout?  Don't say Ashton Chase!  Luncheon was so blinded by his communist ideology that he didn't even think that fighting for the rights of Afro Guyanese and mixed Guyanese when the PPP excluded them was irrelevant. 

When asked about exclusion of non Indians from top decision making positions Luncheon couldn't deny it, and he couldn't explain it either. What was apparent is that even though he was aware of this he did NOTHING to prevent it!

That is until APNU went after PPP blacks only then did Luncheon query as to why the PPP seemed concerned only about PPP Indians.

What about Benn? What about Jeffery? Collimore?  But then again, through your ethnic lens, they had no power.  For you, they had no authority, not even over their ministries. you will see them as lacking any power. You state your warped opinions and pose them as facts. You set up paper tigers so you can shoot then down and thereby spew your racist diatribe.

The same argument might hold for amina Ally, ramsaroop, and other Indo Guyanese who are in the leadership of the PNC. Where is the Reform? What happened to jerome Khan and Ming?

Z
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
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It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

 

 

Jagdeo is way more dictatorial than Granger but the racist that you are you cannot see this.  He consorted with drug dealers who had ties to various Colombian cartels and used them to intimidate those who he didn't like. 

You can chose to forget the invasion of KN by some of these hooligans, who then killed some of their employees and presumably tried to kill the owners and/or editorial staff.  True Burnham tactics but with all of his warts I have yet to see Granger engage in this.

The PPP, as it begins to see its tribal advantage vanish, was also beginning to engage in rigging tactics.  The insertion of fake ballots and other attempts to subvert the process was noted.  In addition when the vote turnout in G/T was much higher than the PPP anticipated they sent known PPP thugs around the city trying to antagonize the population/ The plot being to have violence erupt, and this allow them to cancel the election.

But its the Indo KKK racists and other tribalists who are unable to see that the PPP is just as hungry for power at all costs as is the PNC.  And will attempt to rig if they fear an electoral loss. 

Please support with verifiable facts your statements that the ppp inserted fake ballots  and other attempts to  subvert the electoral process. Also facts to prove that the PPP was responsible as you implied for the killing of KN  newspaper. or that Jagdeo had  close association to Colombia  drug cartels. I genuinely want this info.

Your assertion that Jagdeo was more dictatorial than a Granger is debatable. Other than your unproved, unverified claims about drug connection which is not supported with evidence, you have provided not much. 

For  granger, we know that he breached the constitution several time, including the stopping of the  police promotions, cancelling the land lease to farmers, not obeying the ruling of the Chief Justice on the selection of the the Chairman of GECOM.

As as an aside  you might want to employ your brain on how Glen Lall amassed his money and with whom he had associated as he did and consider blowback from his activities. This is what you get from parking yourself abroad and not knowing whatREALLY happens in Guyana.

As far as I remember, it was PNC mob that burned down house and attacked people. It was PNC operatives that intimidated PPP polling agents in GT,  Linden and Bartica, Buxton, which might explain the "massive turnout" in those areas. It was pnc that posted their operatives near polling stations in other areas in an attempt to intimidate voters.

Z
caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

The only verifiable proof of who organized and committed the violence in the 1960's was what was presented by two sets of documents. One was the papers released by the American government that detailed how the CIA and American government organized and funded opposition groups to disrupt the PPP government and foster disturbances and the resulting violence. The second was the inquiry into the Wismar massacre and expulsion from Wismar. Another other is speculation and opinion on your part that you seem to want us to believe is fact. 

Please post the stuff about Jagan's supposedly rant against Africans so we can make our own judgments.. I do not trust you to make judgments for me, especially thru your ethnic lens.

Z

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

Z
Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

Zed, prior to Carib attacking Gilly on racial grounds after I declared my renewed support for the PPP, I never expressed "racial" views in this forum or elsewhere. On the contrary, I had stated a while back that my father and I had [he is dead] and have close Afro friends up to this moment. Some of them ate and slept in our homes. But my father and I had many valid reasons to shun black people, if not dislike them.

In 1964 black men from Uitvlugt Casbah stoned my father's house in Uitvlugt Pasture. My father never retaliated. In 1963 a gang of black thugs beat me up and dashed me in a D'Urban Street gutter while I was returning to my uncle's home from school. Between 1970 and 1992 black men choked and robbed me 5 times in Georgetown, getting away with my wristwatches, money etc. One Saturday night in 1977, while I stood on Ogle Public Road waiting for a hire car, a well-dressed black man approached me with a palm-sized revolver and grabbed my watch and wallet. I had $21.50 but when I asked him for the 50 cents for my car fare he said: "F___K YOU." I guess he wanted to go to a fete but had no money.

Despite those harrowing experiences with blacks I never harbored ill feelings against them. But, lately, Carib's racially motivated attacks against me have caused me to ponder. There's a letter in today's Chronicle in which a writer named Joseph spews spitfire because he thinks Ralph Ramkarran is returning to the PPP. Just as how Carib is spitting racial fire against me. Seems like pro-PNC people are very angry at people who are moving back to the PPP. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

Zed, prior to Carib attacking Gilly on racial grounds after I declared my renewed support for the PPP, I never expressed "racial" views in this forum or elsewhere. On the contrary, I had stated a while back that my father and I had [he is dead] and have close Afro friends up to this moment. Some of them ate and slept in our homes. But my father and I had many valid reasons to shun black people, if not dislike them.

In 1964 black men from Uitvlugt Casbah stoned my father's house in Uitvlugt Pasture. My father never retaliated. In 1963 a gang of black thugs beat me up and dashed me in a D'Urban Street gutter while I was returning to my uncle's home from school. Between 1970 and 1992 black men choked and robbed me 5 times in Georgetown, getting away with my wristwatches, money etc. One Saturday night in 1977, while I stood on Ogle Public Road waiting for a hire car, a well-dressed black man approached me with a palm-sized revolver and grabbed my watch and wallet. I had $21.50 but when I asked him for the 50 cents for my car fare he said: "F___K YOU." I guess he wanted to go to a fete but had no money.

Despite those harrowing experiences with blacks I never harbored ill feelings against them. But, lately, Carib's racially motivated attacks against me have caused me to ponder. There's a letter in today's Chronicle in which a writer named Joseph spews spitfire because he thinks Ralph Ramkarran is returning to the PPP. Just as how Carib is spitting racial fire against me. Seems like pro-PNC people are very angry at people who are moving back to the PPP. 

Thanks for sharing these. Many of us have gad harrowing experiences such as you had. And, many of us have moved on. I have always respected your comments and continue to value what you share.

Since the coalition assumed power, the divisions in Gutana has become worse and comments about and against Indo Guyanese have become more hateful and aggressive. Because some of the work we do in Guyana entail lots of travel over a large part of Guyana, I have encountered some racism to the point where I am thinking that I need to curtail activities because of safety concerns.

ee were thinking of doing a micro credit scheme, but at this point, I do not know about recommending us going forward because it will entail lots of travel and my family is concerned about the recent racial attacks I have experienced.

Z
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

Prashad
Django posted:
 
 

 

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put Burnham in because of race. In fact, if they were using race, I should have been kept there and Burnham should have been kept out forever. Because as we know, black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder."

Later, after Afros criticized him, Dr Jagan explained what he meant:

'In a statement issued yesterday, President Jagan said that the reference to black people "must be viewed in the context in which my speech was delivered."

He said that anyone who had listened to the entire address and had an iota of logic and common sense would have noted that the last sentence could not have been a reference to Afro-Guyanese but to Blacks in the United States of America.

"I lived in Washington, New York and Chicago and my personal experiences and views about the social alienation of Blacks in the United States of America are well known and documented in my book, The West on Trial," the President observed.'

Read THE WHOLE STORY

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Correct Gilbakka.

Context and specifics of a story, statement, etc., are extremely important.

I think me wutliss chota bhai Django deliberately omitted the other words. Another thing: that google book he extracted the quote from was written by Dr Keane Gibson, a notorious anti-Indian racist.

Bhaiya,i did a search and came up the quote from Google Books,it appears there was an article in the Guyana Chronicle, November,1996.

In multi-racial societies politicians have to be careful how they address issues regarding other ethnicity,especially Guyana.

Django

Why worried over Joey Jagan? He did what he had to do in a different time in politics. Even if he has regrets of endorsing the coalition government, he did it with good intentions. Joey is not the only one get shafted. I hope he is doing well. The woman that he posed with during election is very beautiful. She's still fresh in my mind. 

FM
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

Prashad posted:

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

What would you know about girls ? I have no doubt that you were with a few men. That apart, the only other subject you would be familiar with is  cleaning toilets !  

 

K
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

Prashad posted:

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

What would you know about girls ? I have no doubt that you were with a few men. That apart, the only other subject you would be familiar with is  cleaning toilets !  

 

When I catch you your head will be going into a toilet but then again it would be the right place for you because every time you open your mouth Sh-t comes out.  

Prashad
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

What does a dumb K-K-Hole  shit-house cleaner know about identity ? Jackass, how and why should one seek an identity as an Arab when one is not an Arab ? To much fumes from your daily handling of excrement are in your miniscule brain !! 

K
Prashad posted:
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

You woefully dunce K-K-Hole, instead of writing the rubbish that pervades your poor little undersized brain, why don't you try finding a man ? Oh, by the way, have you met any Pathans or Iranian ladies lately ? You lying SOB, someone should squeeze you balls for the trash  you keep writing ! 

K
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
 
 

 

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put Burnham in because of race. In fact, if they were using race, I should have been kept there and Burnham should have been kept out forever. Because as we know, black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder."

Later, after Afros criticized him, Dr Jagan explained what he meant:

'In a statement issued yesterday, President Jagan said that the reference to black people "must be viewed in the context in which my speech was delivered."

He said that anyone who had listened to the entire address and had an iota of logic and common sense would have noted that the last sentence could not have been a reference to Afro-Guyanese but to Blacks in the United States of America.

"I lived in Washington, New York and Chicago and my personal experiences and views about the social alienation of Blacks in the United States of America are well known and documented in my book, The West on Trial," the President observed.'

Read THE WHOLE STORY

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

cain
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

What does a dumb K-K-Hole  shit-house cleaner know about identity ? Jackass, how and why should one seek an identity as an Arab when one is not an Arab ? To much fumes from your daily handling of excrement are in your miniscule brain !! 

Keffer you having trouble living as a brown man? No white Arab princess want you?

Prashad
cain posted:
 

 

 

 

 

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

 

It's well known and documented that the Kennedy & Johnson administrations in the USA played a massive role in destabilizing the 1961-64 Jagan government. At that time blacks in the USA were at the lowest scale of the social ladder. Martin Luther King and others in the civil rights were still fighting for black voting rights, equal employment opportunity, desegregation of schools and buses, etc. Why? Precisely because successive US administrations kept blacks down low through Jim Crow laws, police brutality etc. 

So, what Jagan was saying is that the US Kennedy-Johnson administration removed his PPP government because of communism and NOT because they wanted a black man in government as they were oppressing blacks big time in their own country. They decided to put Burnham in government not because he was black but because he was the lesser of the two evils. And they insisted that the Portuguese businessman Peter D'Aguiar must be a key figure in the Burnham government. Without American intervention the Jagan government could not be removed in 1964.

While speaking in Toronto in 1996, Jagan assumed that his audience was aware of that historical background. BIG MISTAKE.

Cain, you should read THE WEST ON TRIAL.

FM
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cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

Bhai,you digging red ants nest,

what were the US policy against blacks and during which period ?

I found this paper "Federal policy toward minorities: 1787-1980"

see attachment and take a read.

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Django
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

FM
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

Bhai,you digging red ants nest,

what were the US policy against blacks and during which period ?

 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

FM

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
 

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

Banna haul yuh ass,

do you read what you write before hitting the enter button.

Django
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

Banna haul yuh ass,

do you read what you write before hitting the enter button.

Yes I do.

The question is: Do you read what you write ? Your handlers provide you with slop and you seem to fetch and post it with pride.

Shame on you !!!!

FM
yuji22 posted:

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

You keep thumping your chest you traveled the US ?,wanna bet you never traveled thru the New England States.

Django
yuji22 posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

Banna haul yuh ass,

do you read what you write before hitting the enter button.

Yes I do.

The question is: Do you read what you write ? Your handlers provide you with slop and you seem to fetch and post it with pride.

Shame on you !!!!

Stop making yourself a fool on GNI.

You can do better than making false accusation.

Django
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@Django, forget yuji22 for now. Read my reply to you on US policy against blacks. Recommended reading: books on the civil rights movement 1950s-60s and on those names I mentioned. The accounts are hair-raising and eye-opening.

Also, read A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES by Howard Zinn. Check Amazon.com

FM
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@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Django
yuji22 posted:

 

@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

anti Indo hater,

an·ti
ˈan(t)ē,ˈanˌtÄŦ/
preposition: anti
  1. 1.
    opposed to; against.
     

 

same i said you dont read before hitting the enter button,you  calling  Django "slow boy"

 

Look who calling posters "Racist".

Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django
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Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

 

@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

Look who calling posters "Racist".

Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

You might not have liked Dr. Jagan for reasons only you can explain. I am sure during the early days of the PPP, you could not tell where you live. You might be unaware of the battles he fought to improve the lives of Guyanese regardless of their color. You should thank Dr. Jagan that you got to live in Guyana under democracy. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. 

FM
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies and led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

FM
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Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django
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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

FM
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

The ole USA is the proponent for Capitalism,they made it work,also everyone have an opportunity to uplift themselves.

Django
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

Hey, Skelwah, STEP BACK and lemme gaff wid Django.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Let us call it a day ,Jagan goofed up.

Django
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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

"We" have to keep other sovereign nations in check? You is Uncle Sam grandpickney?

Django, regrettably I have to take a break now. Me wife want something.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

"We" have to keep other sovereign nations in check? You is Uncle Sam grandpickney?

Django, regrettably I have to take a break now. Me wife want something.

When "Americans" speak they say "We"

Django
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Let us call it a day ,Jagan goofed up.

Exactly!  

cain
yuji22 posted:

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

Mississippi, Alabama, Montana, Idaho, Rural Nevada and Rural Arizona. Black is seen as criminal or some man who wants to breed a white woman to get Obama. Brown East Indian (because of the white Arab) is seen as a Muslim terrorist or a Mexican illegal.

Prashad
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Gilbakka posted:
 

I never stated or implied that Cheddi is a god. Your racist mind told you so.

Every single comment from you about Cheddi is praise with the Civic Bantustan that he established being an example.  If he is a mere man then he isn't perfect but no suggestions ever from you on this.

What was the purpose of Civic?  Only to give the PPP the image of being multi ethnic, because Civic clearly is NOT independent and clearly has NO impact on anything that the PPP does. The bloodless coup that the PPP staged against Sam Hinds and his docile reaction towards that says it all.

 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

As did the USSR and I will suggest to you that nations in the USSR ended up worse off than those within the USA's orbit.

But of course being a loyal Cheddi fan you don't understand this.  Did you really see the USSR as a force for good during the Cold War?

FM
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

The dishonest dog that you have now become stinking from the stench of Indo KKK racism knows full well that I blame BOTH SIDES.  I speak of PPP racism towards blacks and PNC racism towards Indians.

You and the rest of your foul anti black bigots cannot stand the fact that I refuse to back down when you all push your filthy PPP anti black racist attitudes on GNI!

Sorry until Caribny is permanently banned or decides to cease posting I will NOT all you or others to paint a LIE of "black man bad, Indian good, so black man have to apologize".  Go to the Uncle Tom Negroes like Sam Hinds if you wish that.  They grovel seeking Indian love, accepting degradation, just like the house negroes of old. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

And do you think that your Commie buddies in Russia and China are not interfering too? 

Mars
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Gilbakka posted:
 

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

The PPP is a plantation.  That you have returned to it is YOUR problem.  You need to reconcile to your conscience that you now think that Jagdeo is someone who deserves your support. Yes this man who tried to turn Guyana into Cali with drug lords marauding through the streets with blood in their wake!

FM
Gilbakka posted:
kp posted:
. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

That cannibal is mistaken if he thinks that he can boil me in his racial cauldron. Look at the many racially charged words he pelts my way. When I respond accordingly he is offended.

1. Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

2. Gilbakka is enmeshed himself with the Indo KKK and his conscience is bothering him.  He went to dance with the vipers so no shock that they have injected him with their vile anti black racism.

FM
Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

In fact anyone who exposes the truth of Indian racism and attitudes towards blacks gets called a racist by you.

In fact we had the lie of Indian girls getting raped by blacks peddled all of the time. Jagdeo screamed this during the campaign, using "GDF" when he fully knew that he meant "black".  He even peddles that poison to Amerindians when he screamed that if the PNC wins all straight haired people will be killed.

You would have us believe that the only racists in Guyana are blacks and the only time racism occurs is under a PNC regime and only Indians are its victims.

Well you sir are a racist for peddling or implicitly accepting this view. I have NEVER seen you make any comment about Indian racism or why the vast majority of blacks in Guyana fear the PPP.  Clearly you have no interest in the fate of the African or mixed identified communities in Guyana, even as they collectively account for 50% of the population!

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

PPP spin. He meant Afro Guyanese as his plot was to demoralize them as he sought to Indianize the country.

What gives a head of state the right to comment on what is happening in another nation unless people within that nation were asking them for help.  I bet you if Obama commented on the status of blacks in Guyana during the PPP era all of you would have screamed!

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

 Carib's racially motivated attacks against me have caused me to ponder. . 

 

And blacks have stories of Indians burning down their homes and trying to kill them as they attempted to escape.  BOTH sides have their view of the 60s. 

Your attempt to paint the 60s as an Indian Holocaust with only blacks being violent just illustrates my point.

FM
Zed posted:
 

Since the coalition assumed power, the divisions in Gutana

Interesting that life under the PPP was a paradise and there was minimal racism or ethnically based distrust.  Funny that few blacks would agree with you.

Thanks for making my point that the vast majority of Indians just cannot think beyond their Indianness.  Blacks complained loudly about being marginalized especially after 2000.  You didn't listen because you are an Indian and as an Indian you don't care.  When I raised that issue I was called a racist for doing so.

Its now that the shoe is on the other foot you now scream.

Understand this. EVERYTHING that Indians are now undergoing in Guyana blacks underwent especially after 2000. I have no sympathy for the plight of the Indian because they have no sympathy for the plight of the African.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
 

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

AAh yes. Members of the Indo KKK are now Gilly's best friends! 

The same ones who used to scream "black man lazy" and other race based epithets until I stopped them from doing this. And will resume the minute that they think that I am gone.

FM
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

Absolutely incorrect.

 

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Blacks in the UK weren't beneath the Indians who were there at the time.  To the British they were both "black".

The issue was about black vs. Indian, not black vs. white so I don't see how people could think that Cheddi referred to the USA.

Freudian slip from his mouth reflecting the known fact that many/most Guyanese Indians view blacks as being inferior to them. Cheddi apparently at a deep level shares this view.

When D2 said this about Indians you all screamed that he was a anti Indian racist, despite being mainly Indian identified.

FM
kp posted:

Gill jump the fence and run ,PNC let loose their racist  bull dog..If you openly declare that you are a PPP supporter, if you are are a non black , if you speak the truth of the ills of the PNC he is instructed to attack at all cost for the kill.

Well what do you say when an Indian joins the PNC a party that you think is congenitally filled with Indian haters?

Look at the large numbers of anti PNC comments I make and look at how you all, include your new friend, Gilly, screams that I am a "PNC" Even though you can find NO evidence that I support them!

The PPP is congenitally filled with black haters and anyone who supports them and doesn't address that fact clearly agrees with them and just doesn't care.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:

Correct Gilbakka.

Context and specifics of a story, statement, etc., are extremely important.

Context is that he was discussing Guyanese politics and how the British and the Americans saw Guyana.  In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.  The upper crust of Georgetown were neither Indians nor blacks.

So Cheddi cannot establish that British/Americans would have preferred a Hindu population to run Guyana instead of a Christian population.

He was injecting racial mischief in his usual passive aggressive way and then when caught in this trap concocted a lie.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 
You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

The dishonest dog that you have now become stinking from the stench of Indo KKK racism knows full well that I blame BOTH SIDES.  I speak of PPP racism towards blacks and PNC racism towards Indians.

 

FÚCK OFF

FM
cain posted:
 

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" 

I read it. A total PPP lie to paint blacks as demons.  At no point does he ever admit to the fact that the PPP played a role in the violence in 1964.

He also portrayed Guyana is a society where middle class Africans were oppressing Indians.

That might be Gilly's bible but it really should be put in the fiction section.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
.

 

FÚCK OFF

I see. Cannot answer with integrity and intelligence so this is your response.  You know full well what I think of the PNC and that my opinions of them are almost never favorable and I have frequently commented on their racist treatment of Indians.

You know this and you cannot refute this as there is still a little beating conscience within you even as you join the Devil.

FM
Mars posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

And do you think that your Commie buddies in Russia and China are not interfering too? 

Putin's Russia is not communist. I don't support Putin. As for Soviet Russia pre-1992, I had stated here some while back that PPP was wrong to align itself with them. My position stands. And I was never pro-China like Brindley Benn. Indeed, China is building an economic empire around the world today and that's not good at all.

FM
caribny posted:
kp posted:

Gill jump the fence and run ,PNC let loose their racist  bull dog..If you openly declare that you are a PPP supporter, if you are are a non black , if you speak the truth of the ills of the PNC he is instructed to attack at all cost for the kill.

Well what do you say when an Indian joins the PNC a party that you think is congenitally filled with Indian haters?

Look at the large numbers of anti PNC comments I make and look at how you all, include your new friend, Gilly, screams that I am a "PNC" Even though you can find NO evidence that I support them!

The PPP is congenitally filled with black haters and anyone who supports them and doesn't address that fact clearly agrees with them and just doesn't care.

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

K
caribny posted:
Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

In fact anyone who exposes the truth of Indian racism and attitudes towards blacks gets called a racist by you.

In fact we had the lie of Indian girls getting raped by blacks peddled all of the time. Jagdeo screamed this during the campaign, using "GDF" when he fully knew that he meant "black".  He even peddles that poison to Amerindians when he screamed that if the PNC wins all straight haired people will be killed.

You would have us believe that the only racists in Guyana are blacks and the only time racism occurs is under a PNC regime and only Indians are its victims.

Well you sir are a racist for peddling or implicitly accepting this view. I have NEVER seen you make any comment about Indian racism or why the vast majority of blacks in Guyana fear the PPP.  Clearly you have no interest in the fate of the African or mixed identified communities in Guyana, even as they collectively account for 50% of the population!

You choose to ignore that I have condemned the racism exhibited on this site, and I have told you that I will not waste my time in exercises of futility. That does not fit into your narrative that everyone who question your mode of posting opinions as facts is racist.

Additionally, please post anything that I have posted to indicate that only Indo-Guyanese are the victims of racism or that only blacks are racists. Also, for your info, I view both Indo-Guyanese and Afro-Guyanese as blacks. Remember when you accused me of lying when I indentified myself as black!

the question I have is this - Why is it that such claims supposedly made by Jagdeo about Indo-Guyanese females being raped by PN C supporters finds so much traction among Indo-Guyanese? Is it because there were several instance of this occurring? Is this feeling reinforced by the recent occurrence of young Afro-Guyanese men showing their penis to demonstrators?  Or is reinforced by the absence of any criticism of this action by any member of government?(as far as I know)

You are a racist!  Your mode of operation is to attribute to others those attitudes you have and hold, to create paper tigers that you can feel good when you supposedly shout them down. The true mode of a racist bully! 

Z
caribny posted:
Zed posted:
 

Since the coalition assumed power, the divisions in Gutana

Interesting that life under the PPP was a paradise and there was minimal racism or ethnically based distrust.  Funny that few blacks would agree with you.

Thanks for making my point that the vast majority of Indians just cannot think beyond their Indianness.  Blacks complained loudly about being marginalized especially after 2000.  You didn't listen because you are an Indian and as an Indian you don't care.  When I raised that issue I was called a racist for doing so.

Its now that the shoe is on the other foot you now scream.

Understand this. EVERYTHING that Indians are now undergoing in Guyana blacks underwent especially after 2000. I have no sympathy for the plight of the Indian because they have no sympathy for the plight of the African.all blac

On the ground, many blacks are saying that things were better under Jagdeo that under the Coalition. By the way, I mean from both of the major ethnic groups. 

Regardless of how you want to deny it, the lives of blacks in Guyana increased considerably under the PPP /c governments after the economical disaster they suffered under the PNC dictatorship. 

Additionally, Indo-Guyanese do not seek your sympathy. It is obvious to me that to you, those Indo-Guyanese who spoke out against the excesses of the Jagdeo government are not East Indians.  Regardless of the dire circumstances they often face, t0indo-Guyanese strive to survive and grow, and many succeed at these and become the object of envy and ridicule.

Z

Carib pretends to dislike both the PPP and PNC to make himself appear as a neutral person on the issue of race and politics. With his open racism against Indians and his blunt support for every action of the PNC I can confidently say his claim of neutrality is a hoax. This is a man who defends rigged elections and racial violence. How can I not see him as a racist when has supported and condoned some of the most despicable acts of racism in Guyana.  Go fly a kite Carib.  We know you are a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Billy Ram Balgobin
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caribny posted:
kp posted:
 

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

I have asked people to describe how I am a racist and they never seem able to. What they despise is my refusal to let Indians paint blacks as the sole cause of Guyana's problems.

In this thread, I told you how. Please reread it. You seem to,ignore that part of my responses. But again, this is for your racist narrative.

Z
caribny posted:
 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

FM
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

When the British ruled Guyana in the earlier days, the schools were all Christian based schools, for instance, I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School and so on, also the nursing training school was run by the Church. What I am getting at is, Hindus and Muslims who are Indians were not allowed to get into the nursing and teaching occupations, so even if they went to the Christian Church, they were forced to convert to a religion just to get a job.That is why, today many Indians have Christian names. Even the civil Service which was controlled by the Whites, used religion to select employees. So Blacks were given a fair shake after slavery was abolished, they were all Christians. That is why not so long ago the teachers, nurses and government employees were predominantly Blacks. Soon before Independence the British had to stop discriminating . Remember, in the early days of discovery of the New World, the Whites were trying to convert the Native Indians into Christianity .and they continue doing so there after. using religion to exploit people.

K
caribny posted:
kp posted:
 

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

I have asked people to describe how I am a racist and they never seem able to. What they despise is my refusal to let Indians paint blacks as the sole cause of Guyana's problems.

I do not consider u  a raciist, never have.

But u do go on wid some nonsense, which is one sided.

All of what u write about, I've heard many many times. You see, I had good sense early in age and I remember waht took place the morning when the PPP split. Since, that time Black ppl never hide their feelings about Indian ppl. And I believe some Indians replied with blows and words.

I suspect u disagree with the things Granger is doing?

Granger gone vane.  Terrible thing when a man sees the light and choose to go into darkness where evil strives. 

He chuckled the other day. What does that mean? I know God already knows his heart-the place of good and evil. 

S
kp posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

When the British ruled Guyana in the earlier days, the schools were all Christian based schools, for instance, I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School and so on, also the nursing training school was run by the Church. What I am getting at is, Hindus and Muslims who are Indians were not allowed to get into the nursing and teaching occupations, so even if they went to the Christian Church, they were forced to convert to a religion just to get a job.That is why, today many Indians have Christian names. Even the civil Service which was controlled by the Whites, used religion to select employees. So Blacks were given a fair shake after slavery was abolished, they were all Christians. That is why not so long ago the teachers, nurses and government employees were predominantly Blacks. Soon before Independence the British had to stop discriminating . Remember, in the early days of discovery of the New World, the Whites were trying to convert the Native Indians into Christianity .and they continue doing so there after. using religion to exploit people.

Bhai, dem blacks teachers educate you. And the Churches educated them. Imagine, if there was no education available in Guyana.

And, another thing, East Indians in their very early existence in BG sent their children to England to study. Just check their history. There were Madrassie who were school teachers and magistrate in BG. And Early.

Please do not fall into the trap thinking that all ignorant ppl came from India to BG. Dem ppl was well aware of education back then. Otherwise how will they have stressed to their chidren to be educated. The British Churches established the English Language education system in India.

Today, examine the confusion among muslims and hindus. Back then it would have been the same. The Churches unified the education where everyone had an even break. Which eventually caused the Blacks to be displaced of jobs due to the educated competition.

S
kp posted:
ksazma posted:
caribny posted:
 

In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.

Indians were mostly Hindus and Muslims so they wouldn't have had as much opportunity as the mostly Christian Blacks to be in civil service.

When the British ruled Guyana in the earlier days, the schools were all Christian based schools, for instance, I attended Uitvlugt Church of Scotland School and so on, also the nursing training school was run by the Church. What I am getting at is, Hindus and Muslims who are Indians were not allowed to get into the nursing and teaching occupations, so even if they went to the Christian Church, they were forced to convert to a religion just to get a job.That is why, today many Indians have Christian names. Even the civil Service which was controlled by the Whites, used religion to select employees. So Blacks were given a fair shake after slavery was abolished, they were all Christians. That is why not so long ago the teachers, nurses and government employees were predominantly Blacks. Soon before Independence the British had to stop discriminating . Remember, in the early days of discovery of the New World, the Whites were trying to convert the Native Indians into Christianity .and they continue doing so there after. using religion to exploit people.

Did you become a Christian to get your teacher job?

Mitwah
seignet posted:
 

I suspect u disagree with the things Granger is doing?

My opinion of Granger has been expressed many times.  My opinion of the Burnham constitution has been expressed many times.  I have stated that neither Granger nor Jagdeo have any intention of changing this constitution as they love the power that accrues to whoever is president.

Those who join sides in this GECOM fiasco are stooges.  The whole applecart needs to be overturned with a focus on a fair and inclusive constitution.  But some got suckered into by Jagdeo who set a trap for Granger.  The latter not being the sharpest knife in the drawer fell for this.

FM
Zed posted:
 

In this thread, I told you how. Please reread it. You seem to,ignore that part of my responses. But again, this is for your racist narrative.

No you didn't.  You wish to pretend that racism doesn't exist within the Indian population and that the PPP doesn't exploit these sentiments.  You then become angry when I expose this and scream that I am a racist.

FACT.  Racism among Indians to blacks exists.

FACT. While everyone will gladly chatter about black racism towards Indians, even blacks (Walter Rodney, Andaiye and many others), any talk of Indian racism is considered a racist act.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted: Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

 

What are you selling today, bwana --- plantation chips, massa cookies, foo-foo, coo-coo, or race hate?

Wow. The degree to which you have been impacted by your new Indo KKK bigoted friends. Employing every single stereotype of all that you think that a black person is capable of.

Gilbakka you have done excellently in proving that few Indo Guyanese are capable of thinking outside of the Indian box and at some point their latent racism towards blacks becomes manifest.  D2 mentioned this and instead of that triggering an intelligent discussion on Indian ethnocentric attitudes he was lambasted for being a racist.  Yet daily people harangue about the PNC and blacks and how they treated Indians.

Even you going on as if the only guilty parties in the 60s violence were blacks.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

With his open racism against Indians

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

No!  My focus is to ensure that Indian racism towards blacks is EXPOSED! You all don't want this to be discussed as it removes your ability to scream "black man bad, Indian good, so black man has to apologize".

Not going to happen under my watch.

But many of you, including YOU peddle the Indian stereotypes of blacks, laziness, violence, and basically useless, and lacking any culture, and this is when you aren't making fun of Afro Guyanese/Caribbean culture.

Clear to see who the racists are here, but given that you are one of them it is understood why you don't see this.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted: Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

 

What are you selling today, bwana --- plantation chips, massa cookies, foo-foo, coo-coo, or race hate?

Wow. The degree to which you have been impacted by your new Indo KKK bigoted friends. Employing every single stereotype of all that you think that a black person is capable of.

Gilbakka you have done excellently in proving that few Indo Guyanese are capable of thinking outside of the Indian box and at some point their latent racism towards blacks becomes manifest.  D2 mentioned this and instead of that triggering an intelligent discussion on Indian ethnocentric attitudes he was lambasted for being a racist.  Yet daily people harangue about the PNC and blacks and how they treated Indians.

Even you going on as if the only guilty parties in the 60s violence were blacks.

I keep reiterating that YOU started a personal war against me. You called me 'Jagdeo slave', 'dishonest dog' with 'tribal loyalities' etc. An affront.

GNI RULES warn against personal attacks. STOP YOUR VERBAL BULLYISM AGAINST GILBAKKA. In my adult life I've stood up to bigger bullies than you.

Once more I say: when you stop, I shall stop. We can express our opinions to each other without personal attacks. The ball is in your court. One more thing: do not look for hidden messages in my comments; you will only find them in your own head.

FM
kp posted:

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

You nail it at this drunken racist. 

FM
Dave posted:
kp posted:

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

You nail it at this drunken racist. 

Caribj is not a racist.

Putting it bluntly, he just like rubbing shit on Indian ppl faces. He has been seying, both races have a great many faults.

The things is, how will the new beginning take hold.

S
seignet posted:
Dave posted:
kp posted:

Do I daily post stereotypes that blacks have of Indians, drunkenness, spousal abuse, incest, greed, money obsession, immorality and lacking the basics of ethics?

 YES, YOU HAVE JUST DONE IT. GO AND SELL THAT SHIT TO YOUR TRIBE. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOU ARE A RACIST.

You nail it at this drunken racist. 

Caribj is not a racist.

Putting it bluntly, he just like rubbing shit on Indian ppl faces. He has been seying, both races have a great many faults.

The things is, how will the new beginning take hold.

Agreed.

Both sides of the fence are guilty,some of us grow up like that,what is good for the goose should be the same for the gander.

Following a few FB pages,there are gross disparaging remarks towards Afro Guyanese in the homeland,noticeably the Afro's are more resilient and doesn't retaliate.

Just my observation.

Django
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