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Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

Cheddi did NOTHING to dilute the Indian face of the PPP.  He saw blacks as dependent charity cases with nothing to offer in terms of leadership, nor did he recognize their right to have input in the running of Guyana.

Aside from Roger Luncheon who were the PPP blacks with any clout?  Don't say Ashton Chase!  Luncheon was so blinded by his communist ideology that he didn't even think that fighting for the rights of Afro Guyanese and mixed Guyanese when the PPP excluded them was irrelevant. 

When asked about exclusion of non Indians from top decision making positions Luncheon couldn't deny it, and he couldn't explain it either. What was apparent is that even though he was aware of this he did NOTHING to prevent it!

That is until APNU went after PPP blacks only then did Luncheon query as to why the PPP seemed concerned only about PPP Indians.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:

Civic section has been and is still a part of the of the PPPC group. 

And AFC is part of the coalition. Your point?  At least parts of the AFC can signal their disagreement with certain actions of APNU.

Does Civic even have the level of organization where this is possible?  Civic is as dead as the "R" in the PNC/R.

FM
Keffer posted:
Nehru posted:

Amral, I do not want to disappoint you, but that will NOT happen in 2 decades. Currently, the PNC is putting their total focus on staying in POWER for a very long time by Hook or Crook!!!

Primarily by Crook !

It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

What drives them to repeating the same actions over and over again ?

Is it in their DNA to rig AND becoming dictators ?

Experts need to examine this phenomenon on Guyana.

 

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

FM
yuji22 posted:
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It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

 

 

Jagdeo is way more dictatorial than Granger but the racist that you are you cannot see this.  He consorted with drug dealers who had ties to various Colombian cartels and used them to intimidate those who he didn't like. 

You can chose to forget the invasion of KN by some of these hooligans, who then killed some of their employees and presumably tried to kill the owners and/or editorial staff.  True Burnham tactics but with all of his warts I have yet to see Granger engage in this.

The PPP, as it begins to see its tribal advantage vanish, was also beginning to engage in rigging tactics.  The insertion of fake ballots and other attempts to subvert the process was noted.  In addition when the vote turnout in G/T was much higher than the PPP anticipated they sent known PPP thugs around the city trying to antagonize the population/ The plot being to have violence erupt, and this allow them to cancel the election.

But its the Indo KKK racists and other tribalists who are unable to see that the PPP is just as hungry for power at all costs as is the PNC.  And will attempt to rig if they fear an electoral loss. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

 

 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

You can jump and scream as you wish with your new found tribal loyalties but the Civic had no independence from the PPP than did the Bantustans of the apartheid era.

What did Civic do as the PPP descended into the "coolie people party" that even Rohee admitted that it was? 

When Luncheon was exposed as the impotent black stooge who admitted that blacks were under represented and marginalized by the PPP what did Uncle Tom stooges like Sam Hinds do but to wage war against the blacks who openly discussed this?

The only time Sam Hinds opened his mouth was to dump on blacks dropping PPP fecal matter on us. No wonder he was booed every time he showed up around black crowds!

Cheddi was dead by then so any misguided devotion that they had to him was no longer necessary!

Go ahead and insult Afro Guyanese who live in Brooklyn.  Now you are no different from yuji, and druggie who do the same!  I do NOT live in Brooklyn so your screams aren't directed against me!

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

 

 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

You can jump and scream as you wish with your new found tribal loyalties but the Civic had no independence from the PPP than did the Bantustans of the apartheid era.

What did Civic do as the PPP descended into the "coolie people party" that even Rohee admitted that it was? 

When Luncheon was exposed as the impotent black stooge who admitted that blacks were under represented and marginalized by the PPP what did Uncle Tom stooges like Sam Hinds do but to wage war against the blacks who openly discussed this?

The only time Sam Hinds opened his mouth was to dump on blacks dropping PPP fecal matter on us. No wonder he was booed every time he showed up around black crowds!

Cheddi was dead by then so any misguided devotion that they had to him was no longer necessary!

Go ahead and insult Afro Guyanese who live in Brooklyn.  Now you are no different from yuji, and druggie who do the same!  I do NOT live in Brooklyn so your screams aren't directed against me!

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

FM
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And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

FM
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Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

FM
caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

I never stated or implied that Cheddi is a god. Your racist mind told you so.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gill, don't waste the time of the day with "blackman go kill abie"  writer, he is GNI poster boy for Racist. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

K
yuji22 posted:

Has this loud mouth chap disappeared from the face of the earth or is he afraid of Granger and the PNC ?

This Black Sheep sold out his parents values and principles to the PNC EVIL Dictatorship and has since remained silent.

Paging anyone who has some inside scoop on Jackass Joey.

Haven't heard anything about him in a while.  I did see Nadira Jagan in NYC at an event this summer.  Think she is his daughter.

alena06
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

Bhai, CBJ would do any and everthing to be the HEAD of any movement. So determined, he rather let the PPP split and turn the country into hate.

Siding wth Rodney, then realizing he was going to be displaced. Feeling threatened by the WPA, he quietly distanced himself from Rodney.

Then GUARD was going to make him irrelevant.

He quickly nullified the efforts of Paul Tennessse when he Cheddie was giving critical support to the PNC.

Then he created his own version of the CIVIL SOCIETY, the "Civic" in which he pulled Sam Hinds from GUARD. I doan know what he promised Hinds, maybe to be a useless Prime Minister like Nagamootoo. CBJ certainly belittled the man.

He also killed the vibrancy of GUARD which could have stood up to Janet, Jagdeo and Granger.

I will always maintain, that communist never cared one iota for Guyanese people. He had too much ego disguised as a caring person.  

S
seignet posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

Bhai, CBJ would do any and everthing to be the HEAD of any movement. So determined, he rather let the PPP split and turn the country into hate.

Siding wth Rodney, then realizing he was going to be displaced. Feeling threatened by the WPA, he quietly distanced himself from Rodney.

Then GUARD was going to make him irrelevant.

He quickly nullified the efforts of Paul Tennessse when he Cheddie was giving critical support to the PNC.

Then he created his own version of the CIVIL SOCIETY, the "Civic" in which he pulled Sam Hinds from GUARD. I doan know what he promised Hinds, maybe to be a useless Prime Minister like Nagamootoo. CBJ certainly belittled the man.

He also killed the vibrancy of GUARD which could have stood up to Janet, Jagdeo and Granger.

I will always maintain, that communist never cared one iota for Guyanese people. He had too much ego disguised as a caring person.  

But u know all of dat.

S
kp posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gill, don't waste the time of the day with "blackman go kill abie"  writer, he is GNI poster boy for Racist. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

That cannibal is mistaken if he thinks that he can boil me in his racial cauldron. Look at the many racially charged words he pelts my way. When I respond accordingly he is offended.

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

Cheddi did NOTHING to dilute the Indian face of the PPP.  He saw blacks as dependent charity cases with nothing to offer in terms of leadership, nor did he recognize their right to have input in the running of Guyana.

Aside from Roger Luncheon who were the PPP blacks with any clout?  Don't say Ashton Chase!  Luncheon was so blinded by his communist ideology that he didn't even think that fighting for the rights of Afro Guyanese and mixed Guyanese when the PPP excluded them was irrelevant. 

When asked about exclusion of non Indians from top decision making positions Luncheon couldn't deny it, and he couldn't explain it either. What was apparent is that even though he was aware of this he did NOTHING to prevent it!

That is until APNU went after PPP blacks only then did Luncheon query as to why the PPP seemed concerned only about PPP Indians.

What about Benn? What about Jeffery? Collimore?  But then again, through your ethnic lens, they had no power.  For you, they had no authority, not even over their ministries. you will see them as lacking any power. You state your warped opinions and pose them as facts. You set up paper tigers so you can shoot then down and thereby spew your racist diatribe.

The same argument might hold for amina Ally, ramsaroop, and other Indo Guyanese who are in the leadership of the PNC. Where is the Reform? What happened to jerome Khan and Ming?

Z
caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
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It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

 

 

Jagdeo is way more dictatorial than Granger but the racist that you are you cannot see this.  He consorted with drug dealers who had ties to various Colombian cartels and used them to intimidate those who he didn't like. 

You can chose to forget the invasion of KN by some of these hooligans, who then killed some of their employees and presumably tried to kill the owners and/or editorial staff.  True Burnham tactics but with all of his warts I have yet to see Granger engage in this.

The PPP, as it begins to see its tribal advantage vanish, was also beginning to engage in rigging tactics.  The insertion of fake ballots and other attempts to subvert the process was noted.  In addition when the vote turnout in G/T was much higher than the PPP anticipated they sent known PPP thugs around the city trying to antagonize the population/ The plot being to have violence erupt, and this allow them to cancel the election.

But its the Indo KKK racists and other tribalists who are unable to see that the PPP is just as hungry for power at all costs as is the PNC.  And will attempt to rig if they fear an electoral loss. 

Please support with verifiable facts your statements that the ppp inserted fake ballots  and other attempts to  subvert the electoral process. Also facts to prove that the PPP was responsible as you implied for the killing of KN  newspaper. or that Jagdeo had  close association to Colombia  drug cartels. I genuinely want this info.

Your assertion that Jagdeo was more dictatorial than a Granger is debatable. Other than your unproved, unverified claims about drug connection which is not supported with evidence, you have provided not much. 

For  granger, we know that he breached the constitution several time, including the stopping of the  police promotions, cancelling the land lease to farmers, not obeying the ruling of the Chief Justice on the selection of the the Chairman of GECOM.

As as an aside  you might want to employ your brain on how Glen Lall amassed his money and with whom he had associated as he did and consider blowback from his activities. This is what you get from parking yourself abroad and not knowing whatREALLY happens in Guyana.

As far as I remember, it was PNC mob that burned down house and attacked people. It was PNC operatives that intimidated PPP polling agents in GT,  Linden and Bartica, Buxton, which might explain the "massive turnout" in those areas. It was pnc that posted their operatives near polling stations in other areas in an attempt to intimidate voters.

Z
caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

The only verifiable proof of who organized and committed the violence in the 1960's was what was presented by two sets of documents. One was the papers released by the American government that detailed how the CIA and American government organized and funded opposition groups to disrupt the PPP government and foster disturbances and the resulting violence. The second was the inquiry into the Wismar massacre and expulsion from Wismar. Another other is speculation and opinion on your part that you seem to want us to believe is fact. 

Please post the stuff about Jagan's supposedly rant against Africans so we can make our own judgments.. I do not trust you to make judgments for me, especially thru your ethnic lens.

Z

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

Z
Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

Zed, prior to Carib attacking Gilly on racial grounds after I declared my renewed support for the PPP, I never expressed "racial" views in this forum or elsewhere. On the contrary, I had stated a while back that my father and I had [he is dead] and have close Afro friends up to this moment. Some of them ate and slept in our homes. But my father and I had many valid reasons to shun black people, if not dislike them.

In 1964 black men from Uitvlugt Casbah stoned my father's house in Uitvlugt Pasture. My father never retaliated. In 1963 a gang of black thugs beat me up and dashed me in a D'Urban Street gutter while I was returning to my uncle's home from school. Between 1970 and 1992 black men choked and robbed me 5 times in Georgetown, getting away with my wristwatches, money etc. One Saturday night in 1977, while I stood on Ogle Public Road waiting for a hire car, a well-dressed black man approached me with a palm-sized revolver and grabbed my watch and wallet. I had $21.50 but when I asked him for the 50 cents for my car fare he said: "F___K YOU." I guess he wanted to go to a fete but had no money.

Despite those harrowing experiences with blacks I never harbored ill feelings against them. But, lately, Carib's racially motivated attacks against me have caused me to ponder. There's a letter in today's Chronicle in which a writer named Joseph spews spitfire because he thinks Ralph Ramkarran is returning to the PPP. Just as how Carib is spitting racial fire against me. Seems like pro-PNC people are very angry at people who are moving back to the PPP. 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

Zed, prior to Carib attacking Gilly on racial grounds after I declared my renewed support for the PPP, I never expressed "racial" views in this forum or elsewhere. On the contrary, I had stated a while back that my father and I had [he is dead] and have close Afro friends up to this moment. Some of them ate and slept in our homes. But my father and I had many valid reasons to shun black people, if not dislike them.

In 1964 black men from Uitvlugt Casbah stoned my father's house in Uitvlugt Pasture. My father never retaliated. In 1963 a gang of black thugs beat me up and dashed me in a D'Urban Street gutter while I was returning to my uncle's home from school. Between 1970 and 1992 black men choked and robbed me 5 times in Georgetown, getting away with my wristwatches, money etc. One Saturday night in 1977, while I stood on Ogle Public Road waiting for a hire car, a well-dressed black man approached me with a palm-sized revolver and grabbed my watch and wallet. I had $21.50 but when I asked him for the 50 cents for my car fare he said: "F___K YOU." I guess he wanted to go to a fete but had no money.

Despite those harrowing experiences with blacks I never harbored ill feelings against them. But, lately, Carib's racially motivated attacks against me have caused me to ponder. There's a letter in today's Chronicle in which a writer named Joseph spews spitfire because he thinks Ralph Ramkarran is returning to the PPP. Just as how Carib is spitting racial fire against me. Seems like pro-PNC people are very angry at people who are moving back to the PPP. 

Thanks for sharing these. Many of us have gad harrowing experiences such as you had. And, many of us have moved on. I have always respected your comments and continue to value what you share.

Since the coalition assumed power, the divisions in Gutana has become worse and comments about and against Indo Guyanese have become more hateful and aggressive. Because some of the work we do in Guyana entail lots of travel over a large part of Guyana, I have encountered some racism to the point where I am thinking that I need to curtail activities because of safety concerns.

ee were thinking of doing a micro credit scheme, but at this point, I do not know about recommending us going forward because it will entail lots of travel and my family is concerned about the recent racial attacks I have experienced.

Z
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

Prashad
Django posted:
 
 

 

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put Burnham in because of race. In fact, if they were using race, I should have been kept there and Burnham should have been kept out forever. Because as we know, black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder."

Later, after Afros criticized him, Dr Jagan explained what he meant:

'In a statement issued yesterday, President Jagan said that the reference to black people "must be viewed in the context in which my speech was delivered."

He said that anyone who had listened to the entire address and had an iota of logic and common sense would have noted that the last sentence could not have been a reference to Afro-Guyanese but to Blacks in the United States of America.

"I lived in Washington, New York and Chicago and my personal experiences and views about the social alienation of Blacks in the United States of America are well known and documented in my book, The West on Trial," the President observed.'

Read THE WHOLE STORY

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Correct Gilbakka.

Context and specifics of a story, statement, etc., are extremely important.

I think me wutliss chota bhai Django deliberately omitted the other words. Another thing: that google book he extracted the quote from was written by Dr Keane Gibson, a notorious anti-Indian racist.

Bhaiya,i did a search and came up the quote from Google Books,it appears there was an article in the Guyana Chronicle, November,1996.

In multi-racial societies politicians have to be careful how they address issues regarding other ethnicity,especially Guyana.

Django

Why worried over Joey Jagan? He did what he had to do in a different time in politics. Even if he has regrets of endorsing the coalition government, he did it with good intentions. Joey is not the only one get shafted. I hope he is doing well. The woman that he posed with during election is very beautiful. She's still fresh in my mind. 

FM
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

Prashad posted:

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

What would you know about girls ? I have no doubt that you were with a few men. That apart, the only other subject you would be familiar with is  cleaning toilets !  

 

K
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

Prashad posted:

Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

What would you know about girls ? I have no doubt that you were with a few men. That apart, the only other subject you would be familiar with is  cleaning toilets !  

 

When I catch you your head will be going into a toilet but then again it would be the right place for you because every time you open your mouth Sh-t comes out.  

Prashad
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

What does a dumb K-K-Hole  shit-house cleaner know about identity ? Jackass, how and why should one seek an identity as an Arab when one is not an Arab ? To much fumes from your daily handling of excrement are in your miniscule brain !! 

K
Prashad posted:
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Joey should run as an independent Presidential candidate in 2020 Prime Minister Collymore 

.... and you should run as head of the shithouse cleaners' party !!

Keffer, listen up here to some tips from Prashad. You have to go after the very skinny Arab girls.  This is because those 500 pounds Arab girls are seen as being sexy by those Arab men. So lots of competition in that area.

You woefully dunce K-K-Hole, instead of writing the rubbish that pervades your poor little undersized brain, why don't you try finding a man ? Oh, by the way, have you met any Pathans or Iranian ladies lately ? You lying SOB, someone should squeeze you balls for the trash  you keep writing ! 

K
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
 
 

 

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put Burnham in because of race. In fact, if they were using race, I should have been kept there and Burnham should have been kept out forever. Because as we know, black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder."

Later, after Afros criticized him, Dr Jagan explained what he meant:

'In a statement issued yesterday, President Jagan said that the reference to black people "must be viewed in the context in which my speech was delivered."

He said that anyone who had listened to the entire address and had an iota of logic and common sense would have noted that the last sentence could not have been a reference to Afro-Guyanese but to Blacks in the United States of America.

"I lived in Washington, New York and Chicago and my personal experiences and views about the social alienation of Blacks in the United States of America are well known and documented in my book, The West on Trial," the President observed.'

Read THE WHOLE STORY

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

cain
Keffer posted:
Prashad posted:

Keffer is trying to find his Arab identify lets hope that he does not run into Lawrenc of Arabia. Because Lawrence of Arabia will show Keffer how he found his Arab identity by giving Keffer some love.

What does a dumb K-K-Hole  shit-house cleaner know about identity ? Jackass, how and why should one seek an identity as an Arab when one is not an Arab ? To much fumes from your daily handling of excrement are in your miniscule brain !! 

Keffer you having trouble living as a brown man? No white Arab princess want you?

Prashad
cain posted:
 

 

 

 

 

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

 

It's well known and documented that the Kennedy & Johnson administrations in the USA played a massive role in destabilizing the 1961-64 Jagan government. At that time blacks in the USA were at the lowest scale of the social ladder. Martin Luther King and others in the civil rights were still fighting for black voting rights, equal employment opportunity, desegregation of schools and buses, etc. Why? Precisely because successive US administrations kept blacks down low through Jim Crow laws, police brutality etc. 

So, what Jagan was saying is that the US Kennedy-Johnson administration removed his PPP government because of communism and NOT because they wanted a black man in government as they were oppressing blacks big time in their own country. They decided to put Burnham in government not because he was black but because he was the lesser of the two evils. And they insisted that the Portuguese businessman Peter D'Aguiar must be a key figure in the Burnham government. Without American intervention the Jagan government could not be removed in 1964.

While speaking in Toronto in 1996, Jagan assumed that his audience was aware of that historical background. BIG MISTAKE.

Cain, you should read THE WEST ON TRIAL.

FM
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cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

Bhai,you digging red ants nest,

what were the US policy against blacks and during which period ?

I found this paper "Federal policy toward minorities: 1787-1980"

see attachment and take a read.

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Django
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

FM
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
cain posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Django, by isolating that phrase from the entire quote, the context is lost. This is what Jagan said in November 1996 in Canada: "The PPP is not an Indian party. The British and the Americans did not remove me from power and put

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" however what I read here it seems Jagan conned people with that. The banna was speaking of the PPP (Guyana) Burnham(Guyana). He spoke of being removed from power by the Americans and the British (Guyana)

What does this statement have to do with Black Americans and what do black Americans have to do with Guyana?

Isnt this akin to someone mentioning the C word and when cornered just pass it off as "I was speaking about those poor souls in India?"  

Cain,

Totally in agreement with your thoughts,Jagan was out of line with the last statement,he was speaking about, defending the PPP as not being an Indian Party and the ploy of his removal from office in Guyana.

Django, did you read my reply to Cain? Please do, and comment on it. Jagan was a man who reasoned dialectically, ie, he saw the inter-relatedness of things. He saw a linkage between US policy against blacks in the domestic front and communism in foreign affairs. Most socialists reason things out dialectically. Do some deep research on Marxist dialectics.

Bhai,you digging red ants nest,

what were the US policy against blacks and during which period ?

 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

FM

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
 

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

Banna haul yuh ass,

do you read what you write before hitting the enter button.

Django
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

Banna haul yuh ass,

do you read what you write before hitting the enter button.

Yes I do.

The question is: Do you read what you write ? Your handlers provide you with slop and you seem to fetch and post it with pride.

Shame on you !!!!

FM
yuji22 posted:

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

You keep thumping your chest you traveled the US ?,wanna bet you never traveled thru the New England States.

Django
yuji22 posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
 

Django is like a backyard cow.

Anyway, I was required to read one political book in high school and chose Dr. Jagan's West on Trial. It sparked my political interest and I supported the PPP till this day after reading that book. I do not agree with everything that the PPP or Jagan did but no party or individual is perfect.

Django's digging mud on Jagan shows his political ignorance and lack of deeper understanding of who Dr. Jagan really was. I wished if slow boy had dedicated as much energy in educating us about Granger, Burhnam and Hoyte. 

Burnham and Hoyte were riggers and dictators and were both Black and now another Black leader Granger seems to be headed in the same direction.

Calling a spade a spade.

Banna haul yuh ass,

do you read what you write before hitting the enter button.

Yes I do.

The question is: Do you read what you write ? Your handlers provide you with slop and you seem to fetch and post it with pride.

Shame on you !!!!

Stop making yourself a fool on GNI.

You can do better than making false accusation.

Django
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@Django, forget yuji22 for now. Read my reply to you on US policy against blacks. Recommended reading: books on the civil rights movement 1950s-60s and on those names I mentioned. The accounts are hair-raising and eye-opening.

Also, read A PEOPLE'S HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES by Howard Zinn. Check Amazon.com

FM
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@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Django
yuji22 posted:

 

@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

anti Indo hater,

an·ti
ˈan(t)ē,ˈanˌtÄŦ/
preposition: anti
  1. 1.
    opposed to; against.
     

 

same i said you dont read before hitting the enter button,you  calling  Django "slow boy"

 

Look who calling posters "Racist".

Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django
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Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

 

@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

Look who calling posters "Racist".

Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

You might not have liked Dr. Jagan for reasons only you can explain. I am sure during the early days of the PPP, you could not tell where you live. You might be unaware of the battles he fought to improve the lives of Guyanese regardless of their color. You should thank Dr. Jagan that you got to live in Guyana under democracy. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. 

FM
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies and led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

FM
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Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django
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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

FM
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

The ole USA is the proponent for Capitalism,they made it work,also everyone have an opportunity to uplift themselves.

Django
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

Hey, Skelwah, STEP BACK and lemme gaff wid Django.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Let us call it a day ,Jagan goofed up.

Django
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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

"We" have to keep other sovereign nations in check? You is Uncle Sam grandpickney?

Django, regrettably I have to take a break now. Me wife want something.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

"We" have to keep other sovereign nations in check? You is Uncle Sam grandpickney?

Django, regrettably I have to take a break now. Me wife want something.

When "Americans" speak they say "We"

Django
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Let us call it a day ,Jagan goofed up.

Exactly!  

cain
yuji22 posted:

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

Mississippi, Alabama, Montana, Idaho, Rural Nevada and Rural Arizona. Black is seen as criminal or some man who wants to breed a white woman to get Obama. Brown East Indian (because of the white Arab) is seen as a Muslim terrorist or a Mexican illegal.

Prashad
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Gilbakka posted:
 

I never stated or implied that Cheddi is a god. Your racist mind told you so.

Every single comment from you about Cheddi is praise with the Civic Bantustan that he established being an example.  If he is a mere man then he isn't perfect but no suggestions ever from you on this.

What was the purpose of Civic?  Only to give the PPP the image of being multi ethnic, because Civic clearly is NOT independent and clearly has NO impact on anything that the PPP does. The bloodless coup that the PPP staged against Sam Hinds and his docile reaction towards that says it all.

 

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

As did the USSR and I will suggest to you that nations in the USSR ended up worse off than those within the USA's orbit.

But of course being a loyal Cheddi fan you don't understand this.  Did you really see the USSR as a force for good during the Cold War?

FM
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