Has Joey Jagan disappeared from the face of the earth ?

yuji22 posted:

 

@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

anti Indo hater,

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preposition: anti
  1. 1.
    opposed to; against.
     

 

same i said you dont read before hitting the enter button,you  calling  Django "slow boy"

 

Look who calling posters "Racist".

Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django posted:
yuji22 posted:

 

@ Django. You are the one making a fool of yourself here at GNI on a daily basis. I advise you to carefully pick your political fights, do not expect PPP supporters to roll over and tolerate your nonsense.

You sir took what Dr. Jagan said totally out of context and provided the position and opinion of an anti Indo hater and racist.

Look who calling posters "Racist".

Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

You might not have liked Dr. Jagan for reasons only you can explain. I am sure during the early days of the PPP, you could not tell where you live. You might be unaware of the battles he fought to improve the lives of Guyanese regardless of their color. You should thank Dr. Jagan that you got to live in Guyana under democracy. He who is without sin, cast the first stone. 

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies and led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

The ole USA is the proponent for Capitalism,they made it work,also everyone have an opportunity to uplift themselves.

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

Django, in the 1950s and 1960s the news was full of names like Rosa Parks, Dr Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Stokely Carmichael, Eldridge Cleaver, George Jackson, Angela Davis, Muhamad Ali, the Black Panthers etc. Why? They were leading massive marches, strikes, sit ins and other protest demonstrations against entrenched US government policy against Blacks. Federal and state laws legalized discrimination against Blacks. There were separate seats for blacks and whites in buses, restaurants, cinemas etc. Separate churches for blacks who were barred from white churches. Black students were barred from studying in universities. All sanctioned by federal and state laws and enforced by the police, national guard and KKK.

Thousands of blacks were beaten, lynched, jailed, murdered etc during that period. 

Bhai, i know all of that,most of those atrocities was in the South,most Northern States did not have such policies.

Bai, pick sense from nonsense. Don't try to split hairs with Gilly. US presidents during that period were presidents of both north and south. Congress and Senate passed laws for north and south too. Millions of Americans in both north and south joined the civil rights movement. It was only after the costly struggle and sacrifice that President Johnson was forced to sign the US Civil Rights Act of 1964 that redressed old discriminatory and oppressive policies led to more sympathetic measures like Affirmative Action. The Civil Rights Act applied to both north and south.

Bhaiya,

US have Federal and State Laws,in most of the Northern States,blacks were treated differently,read up how the New England States helped the blacks to move from Southern States.

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

Hey, Skelwah, STEP BACK and lemme gaff wid Django.

Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Let us call it a day ,Jagan goofed up.

Gilbakka posted:
skeldon_man posted:
 

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

Hey, Skelwah, STEP BACK and lemme gaff wid Django.

Tell he r@ss,when we talking to keep a corner.

Skelly bhai,just kidding.

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

"We" have to keep other sovereign nations in check? You is Uncle Sam grandpickney?

Django, regrettably I have to take a break now. Me wife want something.

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

We have to keep them in check,It's an old policy.

"We" have to keep other sovereign nations in check? You is Uncle Sam grandpickney?

Django, regrettably I have to take a break now. Me wife want something.

When "Americans" speak they say "We"

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

Let us call it a day ,Jagan goofed up.

Exactly!  

yuji22 posted:

USA has a very dark and brutal history of racism. It still exists till this day but not to the extent as it did in the past.

I travelled across the USA and shake my head as I watched in horror at the conditions in which some African Americans still live in day and age.

Obama did very little to lift them up. He gave them hope but that was not enough.

Mississippi, Alabama, Montana, Idaho, Rural Nevada and Rural Arizona. Black is seen as criminal or some man who wants to breed a white woman to get Obama. Brown East Indian (because of the white Arab) is seen as a Muslim terrorist or a Mexican illegal.

Gilbakka posted:
 

I never stated or implied that Cheddi is a god. Your racist mind told you so.

Every single comment from you about Cheddi is praise with the Civic Bantustan that he established being an example.  If he is a mere man then he isn't perfect but no suggestions ever from you on this.

What was the purpose of Civic?  Only to give the PPP the image of being multi ethnic, because Civic clearly is NOT independent and clearly has NO impact on anything that the PPP does. The bloodless coup that the PPP staged against Sam Hinds and his docile reaction towards that says it all.

 

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

As did the USSR and I will suggest to you that nations in the USSR ended up worse off than those within the USA's orbit.

But of course being a loyal Cheddi fan you don't understand this.  Did you really see the USSR as a force for good during the Cold War?

Zed posted:
 

The only verifiable proof of who organized and committed the violence in the 1960's was what was presented by two sets of documents. 

The evidence for those who lived through that period was that BOTH sides were violent.  I have no interest in whatever PPP propaganda that you offer!

Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

The dishonest dog that you have now become stinking from the stench of Indo KKK racism knows full well that I blame BOTH SIDES.  I speak of PPP racism towards blacks and PNC racism towards Indians.

You and the rest of your foul anti black bigots cannot stand the fact that I refuse to back down when you all push your filthy PPP anti black racist attitudes on GNI!

Sorry until Caribny is permanently banned or decides to cease posting I will NOT all you or others to paint a LIE of "black man bad, Indian good, so black man have to apologize".  Go to the Uncle Tom Negroes like Sam Hinds if you wish that.  They grovel seeking Indian love, accepting degradation, just like the house negroes of old. 

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

And do you think that your Commie buddies in Russia and China are not interfering too? 

Gilbakka posted:
 

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

The PPP is a plantation.  That you have returned to it is YOUR problem.  You need to reconcile to your conscience that you now think that Jagdeo is someone who deserves your support. Yes this man who tried to turn Guyana into Cali with drug lords marauding through the streets with blood in their wake!

Gilbakka posted:
kp posted:
. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

That cannibal is mistaken if he thinks that he can boil me in his racial cauldron. Look at the many racially charged words he pelts my way. When I respond accordingly he is offended.

1. Unlike some of you I have a business to run and clients to tend to so I don't have all day to post.

2. Gilbakka is enmeshed himself with the Indo KKK and his conscience is bothering him.  He went to dance with the vipers so no shock that they have injected him with their vile anti black racism.

Zed posted:

I have argued that Carib is a racist and he propagates racism here. He says that East Indians make statements regarding how they are scared that Afro Guyanese will rape their daughters or that Afro Guyanese will murder them, etc. You all know the starkness of the statements. What he is doing is making the same statements in a round about way so he can say, if accused, that he was just repeating what was said. 

In fact anyone who exposes the truth of Indian racism and attitudes towards blacks gets called a racist by you.

In fact we had the lie of Indian girls getting raped by blacks peddled all of the time. Jagdeo screamed this during the campaign, using "GDF" when he fully knew that he meant "black".  He even peddles that poison to Amerindians when he screamed that if the PNC wins all straight haired people will be killed.

You would have us believe that the only racists in Guyana are blacks and the only time racism occurs is under a PNC regime and only Indians are its victims.

Well you sir are a racist for peddling or implicitly accepting this view. I have NEVER seen you make any comment about Indian racism or why the vast majority of blacks in Guyana fear the PPP.  Clearly you have no interest in the fate of the African or mixed identified communities in Guyana, even as they collectively account for 50% of the population!

Gilbakka posted:
 

At this rate you and I will end up in a cul-de-sac. Jagan was pointing out that blacks in the US were at the lowest level of the social ladder in the 1950s-60s. He made a mistake by omitting the phrase "in the US", assuming that his audience was familiar with the historical facts. That omission is what caused the misunderstanding and controversy.

PPP spin. He meant Afro Guyanese as his plot was to demoralize them as he sought to Indianize the country.

What gives a head of state the right to comment on what is happening in another nation unless people within that nation were asking them for help.  I bet you if Obama commented on the status of blacks in Guyana during the PPP era all of you would have screamed!

Gilbakka posted:
 

 Carib's racially motivated attacks against me have caused me to ponder. . 

 

And blacks have stories of Indians burning down their homes and trying to kill them as they attempted to escape.  BOTH sides have their view of the 60s. 

Your attempt to paint the 60s as an Indian Holocaust with only blacks being violent just illustrates my point.

Zed posted:
 

Since the coalition assumed power, the divisions in Gutana

Interesting that life under the PPP was a paradise and there was minimal racism or ethnically based distrust.  Funny that few blacks would agree with you.

Thanks for making my point that the vast majority of Indians just cannot think beyond their Indianness.  Blacks complained loudly about being marginalized especially after 2000.  You didn't listen because you are an Indian and as an Indian you don't care.  When I raised that issue I was called a racist for doing so.

Its now that the shoe is on the other foot you now scream.

Understand this. EVERYTHING that Indians are now undergoing in Guyana blacks underwent especially after 2000. I have no sympathy for the plight of the Indian because they have no sympathy for the plight of the African.

Gill jump the fence and run ,PNC let loose their racist  bull dog..If you openly declare that you are a PPP supporter, if you are are a non black , if you speak the truth of the ills of the PNC he is instructed to attack at all cost for the kill.

skeldon_man posted:
 

Django, lick your wounds and live to see another day. Gilly like a good teacher tried to educate you. The teacher might have to resort to caning so you can think straight.

AAh yes. Members of the Indo KKK are now Gilly's best friends! 

The same ones who used to scream "black man lazy" and other race based epithets until I stopped them from doing this. And will resume the minute that they think that I am gone.

Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

Absolutely incorrect.

 

Jagan said these words in November,1996.

 "Because we know Black people are at the lowest scale of the social ladder"

 

https://books.google.com/books...20GUYANA&f=false

Blacks in the UK weren't beneath the Indians who were there at the time.  To the British they were both "black".

The issue was about black vs. Indian, not black vs. white so I don't see how people could think that Cheddi referred to the USA.

Freudian slip from his mouth reflecting the known fact that many/most Guyanese Indians view blacks as being inferior to them. Cheddi apparently at a deep level shares this view.

When D2 said this about Indians you all screamed that he was a anti Indian racist, despite being mainly Indian identified.

kp posted:

Gill jump the fence and run ,PNC let loose their racist  bull dog..If you openly declare that you are a PPP supporter, if you are are a non black , if you speak the truth of the ills of the PNC he is instructed to attack at all cost for the kill.

Well what do you say when an Indian joins the PNC a party that you think is congenitally filled with Indian haters?

Look at the large numbers of anti PNC comments I make and look at how you all, include your new friend, Gilly, screams that I am a "PNC" Even though you can find NO evidence that I support them!

The PPP is congenitally filled with black haters and anyone who supports them and doesn't address that fact clearly agrees with them and just doesn't care.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Correct Gilbakka.

Context and specifics of a story, statement, etc., are extremely important.

Context is that he was discussing Guyanese politics and how the British and the Americans saw Guyana.  In fact the English didn't see Indians as being any better and in fact in that period the African middle class was more involved in the civil service and other fields than were Indians.  The upper crust of Georgetown were neither Indians nor blacks.

So Cheddi cannot establish that British/Americans would have preferred a Hindu population to run Guyana instead of a Christian population.

He was injecting racial mischief in his usual passive aggressive way and then when caught in this trap concocted a lie.

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 
You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

The dishonest dog that you have now become stinking from the stench of Indo KKK racism knows full well that I blame BOTH SIDES.  I speak of PPP racism towards blacks and PNC racism towards Indians.

 

FÚCK OFF

cain posted:
 

Gilly I'm gonna be a pain in de arse here. I admit I never read "The West on trial" 

I read it. A total PPP lie to paint blacks as demons.  At no point does he ever admit to the fact that the PPP played a role in the violence in 1964.

He also portrayed Guyana is a society where middle class Africans were oppressing Indians.

That might be Gilly's bible but it really should be put in the fiction section.

Gilbakka posted:
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FÚCK OFF

I see. Cannot answer with integrity and intelligence so this is your response.  You know full well what I think of the PNC and that my opinions of them are almost never favorable and I have frequently commented on their racist treatment of Indians.

You know this and you cannot refute this as there is still a little beating conscience within you even as you join the Devil.

Mars posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: Jagan was an Imperialist hater,to bolster his Communist ideas he bad mouthed Capitalism.

Django, are you an imperialist lover? Gilly is an imperialist hater too. The US is acting globally as an empire, policing every corner of the planet against the wishes of many countries. Right this minute the US is interfering in the internal affairs of many nations.

And do you think that your Commie buddies in Russia and China are not interfering too? 

Putin's Russia is not communist. I don't support Putin. As for Soviet Russia pre-1992, I had stated here some while back that PPP was wrong to align itself with them. My position stands. And I was never pro-China like Brindley Benn. Indeed, China is building an economic empire around the world today and that's not good at all.

caribny posted:
kp posted:

Gill jump the fence and run ,PNC let loose their racist  bull dog..If you openly declare that you are a PPP supporter, if you are are a non black , if you speak the truth of the ills of the PNC he is instructed to attack at all cost for the kill.

Well what do you say when an Indian joins the PNC a party that you think is congenitally filled with Indian haters?

Look at the large numbers of anti PNC comments I make and look at how you all, include your new friend, Gilly, screams that I am a "PNC" Even though you can find NO evidence that I support them!

The PPP is congenitally filled with black haters and anyone who supports them and doesn't address that fact clearly agrees with them and just doesn't care.

YOU ARE A BLACK KKK RACIST FULL STOP.

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