GuySuCo gains access to new markets in Italy, Canada, USA – Board

Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
 

He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

Writer and doer are totally two different animals. You yourself are a case which is a clear example where writing does not translate into competency.  

He has done no such tour, please post documented evidence of this.  

He is but a dummy who was put in charge of an industry of which he has no practical experience. 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You sure about that? Did you get pass Basic or Cobol. Maybe you did Assembler or was it RPG II?

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

 

Oh so you FINALLY admit that APNU/AFC have to fix problems created by the PPP.

This year alone they have sunk almost US$60 million into this failing company all because they don't want Jagdeo to run around Guyana screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even as he sent Lindeners into starvation.

The problem was not created by the PPP. It existed back to the colonial days where an antiquated system was perpetuated through the 28 years of PNC and 24 of PPP and propped up by the EU subsidies. Now that the subsidies are gone, the PNC has to determine the way forward.  This is what they promised when in opposition, now we are waiting for them to deliver.

Danyael posted:
 
 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You are a talker not a doer. Any idiot with a keyboard can claim to have all the virtues you describe above. But the fact is over the years your writings have clearly shown you to be but a pretender, starting with the "sakiwinki is a bird" to your support for the PNC.

With regards to Clive, the proof is in the pudding, all his theoritical accomplishments in the past did not translate to any tangible physical accomplishments during the past 1 1/2 years.  He turned out to be just another soup drinker leeching off the Guyanese tax payers. 

Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
 
 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You are a talker not a doer. Any idiot with a keyboard can claim to have all the virtues you describe above. But the fact is over the years your writings have clearly shown you to be but a pretender, starting with the "sakiwinki is a bird" to your support for the PNC.

With regards to Clive, the proof is in the pudding, all his theoritical accomplishments in the past did not translate to any tangible physical accomplishments during the past 1 1/2 years.  He turned out to be just another soup drinker leeching off the Guyanese tax payers. 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You are a talker not a doer. Any idiot with a keyboard can claim to have all the virtues you describe above. But the fact is over the years your writings have clearly shown you to be but a pretender, starting with the "sakiwinki is a bird" to your support for the PNC.

And that he does well, very well!

Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

Drugb posted:
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

I am not wasting my time with the real empty head. I have heard nothing worthy of a criticism that pertains to this matter. To date you have just huffed and puffed nonsense. That would be the thing "do" if one is to be remotely close to "doing" on the site

Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

I am not wasting my time with the real empty head. I have heard nothing worthy of a criticism that pertains to this matter. To date you have just huffed and puffed nonsense. That would be the thing "do" if one is to be remotely close to "doing" on the site

Sure, what a cop out, you can't find a single accomplishment of this idiot Clive so you digress. 

Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

I am not wasting my time with the real empty head. I have heard nothing worthy of a criticism that pertains to this matter. To date you have just huffed and puffed nonsense. That would be the thing "do" if one is to be remotely close to "doing" on the site

Sure, what a cop out, you can't find a single accomplishment of this idiot Clive so you digress. 

As I said, I will not play your game. You do not want to address what the man said but insist on denigrating him. He is a professor, has a PhD, wrote a lot and that is enough for most except sniveling whiners like you

Danyael posted:
As I said, I will not play your game. You do not want to address what the man said but insist on denigrating him. He is a professor, has a PhD, wrote a lot and that is enough for most except sniveling whiners like you

There is no game afoot here, a simple request to state his value to Guysuco and the office of the president is asking too much?  I am not interested in his academic accomplishments as it is useless if it does not translate into practical use.  So far we see this idiot no being able to make a difference for the better in Guysuco and the overall sugar industry in Guyana. 

Prashad posted:
 

Jamaicans are not stupid they know when to play up to the white man and white woman. They know when to pull out and show bob marley white daddy photo. They know when to put up the photo of Queen Elizabeth as their head of state. Let us not fool ourselves. That is the reason why they have those big hotels and grace kennedy products in cans.

This from a man who married a half white woman. Guess you couldn't get a full white woman so you settled for a diluted one.

Drugb posted:
 

You are a talker not a doer.

Aside from engaging in personal attacks on people considerably more intelligent and accomplished than you what do you do?  You boast of your family, as you apparently have done nothing of which you can be proud.

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are a talker not a doer.

Aside from engaging in personal attacks on people considerably more intelligent and accomplished than you what do you do?  You boast of your family, as you apparently have done nothing of which you can be proud.

You too are a talker and not a doer. Why didn't you heed Granger's call  to invest in Guyana? Instead you fled the scene and left the man high and dry. 

Drugb posted:
 

You too are a talker and not a doer. Why didn't you heed Granger's call  to invest in Guyana? Instead you fled the scene and left the man high and dry. 

Did I ever tell you that I was impressed with Granger? I am not.

You worshipped the ground that Jagdeo walked on, called him Lord and Master, and here you are doing your little coding job, scared stiff that some little kid from Bangalore, or even Lagos, will replace you.

Drugb posted:
 

The problem was not created by the PPP. It existed back to the colonial days where an antiquated system was perpetuated through the 28 years of PNC and 24 of PPP and propped up by the EU subsidies. Now that the subsidies are gone, the PNC has to determine the way forward.  This is what they promised when in opposition, now we are waiting for them to deliver.

Bookers was a highly profitable company when it was nationalized. In fact its Guyana operations generated so much cash that it emerged as a sizeable UK company after decades of minting money from its British Guiana operations.

The EU told Jagdeo to shift to something other than sugar, and even gave him millions to assist sugar workers to move to other activities. Even as Jagdeo screamed that the UK was betraying Guyana by allowing the EU to cut its prices paid by more than 1/3,  Jagdeo spent millions to build a new factory.

Lots of people told Jagdeo that expanding the sugar industry was an error and that he should begin a gradual shift from bulk raw sugar to more value added activities, and/or to other crops.

Jagdeo screamed that he was an expert. When folks told him to get a Australian or Brazilian company to build the factory, given his ill advised insistence that he should, Jagdeo found some fly by night bunch of charlatans from China. Most likely because he and his buddies received bribes, which neither the Brazilians, nor the Australians were going to do.

Guysuco's costs, already high, soared, just as the price tumbled.  Guysuco became a huge drain. It is now the recipient of over US$600 million of bailouts and is also hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

Even Jagdeo now admits that the PPP bears much of the blame for Guysuco's predicament.  Why did he expand sugar when the EU was cutting prices, and it was obvious that Guyana couldn't complete in the global markets?

Prashad posted:

The Eu is paying Guyana millions to find ways to stop exporting sugar yet these fools are continuing to find ways to be more dependent on sugar. They should be looking at other products for export.

And you say nothing about Jagdeo who screams "black man a starve ahbe" when APNU tries to reduce the size of Guysuco in an attempt to reduce losses.

Jagdeo wants Guysuco to be EXPANDED. He took EU money which was meant to facilitate a transition from raw bulk sugar to build Skeldon, so that he could export more raw sugar. Even as other CARICOM exporters took this as a signal to shut down, or reduce the size of their industries Jagdeo EXPANDED, or tried to expand.  Even as Guyana's production costs were multiples more than its price.

caribny posted:

Bookers was a highly profitable company when it was nationalized. In fact its Guyana operations generated so much cash that it emerged as a sizeable UK company after decades of minting money from its British Guiana operations.

The EU told Jagdeo to shift to something other than sugar, and even gave him millions to assist sugar workers to move to other activities. Even as Jagdeo screamed that the UK was betraying Guyana by allowing the EU to cut its prices paid by more than 1/3,  Jagdeo spent millions to build a new factory.

Lots of people told Jagdeo that expanding the sugar industry was an error and that he should begin a gradual shift from bulk raw sugar to more value added activities, and/or to other crops.

Jagdeo screamed that he was an expert. When folks told him to get a Australian or Brazilian company to build the factory, given his ill advised insistence that he should, Jagdeo found some fly by night bunch of charlatans from China. Most likely because he and his buddies received bribes, which neither the Brazilians, nor the Australians were going to do.

Guysuco's costs, already high, soared, just as the price tumbled.  Guysuco became a huge drain. It is now the recipient of over US$600 million of bailouts and is also hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

Even Jagdeo now admits that the PPP bears much of the blame for Guysuco's predicament.  Why did he expand sugar when the EU was cutting prices, and it was obvious that Guyana couldn't complete in the global markets?

This is where you PNC types fall short, you are comparing 50 years ago methods to today. Bookers had antiquated methods of producing sugar compared to the modern techniques employed by today's top sugar producers against who Guyana can not compete. 

I am not here to defend Jagdeo as he still had the EU subsidies to mask the inefficiencies.  The problem now belongs to the PNC, take ownership and find a solution instead of excuses about Jagdeo and the PPP. This is why you were elected, do the right thing.

 

ba$eman posted:
 

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

The PPP was sleeping, only interested in grand theft. Mauritius began to sell Demerara sugar and they did nothing to stop them until it was too late. When Costa Rica began to sell "Jamaican" hot sauce Jamaica jumped on them and made them stop.

 

Jamaica is also a "tribal" society. Battles between the blacks and the browns. Uptown vs. Downtown. JLP vs. PNP.

But here is where they differ. A Jamaican is a JAMAICAN, no matter if they are African, Indian, mixed, Chinese, Syrian, or white.  EVERY Jamaican was involved in their 50th. NO Jamaican would have allowed any to exclude, because they didn't support the governing party.  At the end of the day being JAMAICAN connects Jamaicans, regardless of race, color or creed.

We do NOT have an all embracing sense of being Guyanese. Just look at how Indians boycotted the 50th anniversary this year, merely because it was done within the context of Indian domination.

We have 40% of the population who dream Bollywood, don't feel comfortable being called Guyanese. View Guyana only as a piece of real estate and business opportunities, all supported by political domination and ethnic exclusion. Don't see that they should have anything in common with non Indian Guyanese and scoff at the notion of a national identity.

Then we wonder why we cannot have a brand identity as Jamaicans, Cubans, Mexicans, and Brazilians do.

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You too are a talker and not a doer. Why didn't you heed Granger's call  to invest in Guyana? Instead you fled the scene and left the man high and dry. 

Did I ever tell you that I was impressed with Granger? I am not.

You worshipped the ground that Jagdeo walked on, called him Lord and Master, and here you are doing your little coding job, scared stiff that some little kid from Bangalore, or even Lagos, will replace you.

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

When I go to Trini parties I see Trinis of ALL races loudly shouting and beaming with pride when they sing "Trini to D bone"!

Guyanese just don't radiate that sense of unity in diversity. Two groups cowering in their separate corners, not really exhibiting much national pride and identity.

Drugb posted:
 

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

Hmmm. I criticize Granger all the time. Care to tell me of your critiques of Jagdeo?

I have a called Granger a mediocrity with no ideas, and was highly critical of his leadership BEFORE their victory and remain so today.

You scream about Jagdeo "saving" Guyana, even as a culture of senseless violence and blatant greed and disregard for human life became entrenched during his regime.  Jadgeo was so low that he took Hammie Green's thugs and made him his.

caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

The PPP was sleeping, only interested in grand theft. Mauritius began to sell Demerara sugar and they did nothing to stop them until it was too late. When Costa Rica began to sell "Jamaican" hot sauce Jamaica jumped on them and made them stop.

 

Jamaica is also a "tribal" society. Battles between the blacks and the browns. Uptown vs. Downtown. JLP vs. PNP.

But here is where they differ. A Jamaican is a JAMAICAN, no matter if they are African, Indian, mixed, Chinese, Syrian, or white.  EVERY Jamaican was involved in their 50th. NO Jamaican would have allowed any to exclude, because they didn't support the governing party.  At the end of the day being JAMAICAN connects Jamaicans, regardless of race, color or creed.

We do NOT have an all embracing sense of being Guyanese. Just look at how Indians boycotted the 50th anniversary this year, merely because it was done within the context of Indian domination.

We have 40% of the population who dream Bollywood, don't feel comfortable being called Guyanese. View Guyana only as a piece of real estate and business opportunities, all supported by political domination and ethnic exclusion. Don't see that they should have anything in common with non Indian Guyanese and scoff at the notion of a national identity.

Then we wonder why we cannot have a brand identity as Jamaicans, Cubans, Mexicans, and Brazilians do.

Hey clown, you spout exactly of what I speak.  If I'm not mistaken, a British company holds the copyright to the name and likely license it out.  When the PPP went to international court, it was already long registered.

You are the epitome of the race issue prevalent in Guyana.  For you, it's about PPP vs PNC, Indian vs Black.  You can never embark on any discussion on Guyana as a whole.  For you, it's a zero-sum game!

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

Hmmm. I criticize Granger all the time. Care to tell me of your critiques of Jagdeo?

I have a called Granger a mediocrity with no ideas, and was highly critical of his leadership BEFORE their victory and remain so today.

You scream about Jagdeo "saving" Guyana, even as a culture of senseless violence and blatant greed and disregard for human life became entrenched during his regime.  Jadgeo was so low that he took Hammie Green's thugs and made him his.

You criticize Burnham for not making Blacks more dominant over Indians in Guyana.  You are against Granger because he seems unable to extinguish the potent PPP leadership in Guyana.

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

Hmmm. I criticize Granger all the time. Care to tell me of your critiques of Jagdeo?

I have a called Granger a mediocrity with no ideas, and was highly critical of his leadership BEFORE their victory and remain so today.

You scream about Jagdeo "saving" Guyana, even as a culture of senseless violence and blatant greed and disregard for human life became entrenched during his regime.  Jadgeo was so low that he took Hammie Green's thugs and made him his.

The last time I checked Jagdeo has not been president for over 4 years. Why would I criticize a man not in power for 4 years? It is the PNC in power, jackass Granger is in the hot seat. What Jagdeo got to do with the incompetent actions of this government? Stop with the excuses and start advising your PNC to "do the right thing" as per Spike Lee. 

ba$eman posted:
 

Hey clown, you spout exactly of what I speak.  If I'm not mistaken, a British company holds the copyright to the name and likely license it out.  When the PPP went to international court, it was already long registered.

You are the epitome of the race issue prevalent in Guyana.  For you, it's about PPP vs PNC, Indian vs Black.  You can never embark on any discussion on Guyana as a whole.  For you, it's a zero-sum game!

You cannot bring yourself to admit that the PPP screwed up because at the end of the day, like most Guyanese Indians, you cannot see yourself as a Guyanese outside of your identity as an Indian.

Indo Jamaicans are JAMAICANS.    You all Guyanese Indians see them as traitors, or confused.

You are also a fine one to scream about people not having an all embracing identity beyond race. At what point do you see Afro Guyanese as just Guyanese?  Look at the derision you constantly heap on "Brooklyn blacks".  You and the rest of your Indo KKK.

Like it or not it is far easier for Afro Guyanese and others to see themselves as being just Guyanese than it is for Indians.  In fact its only when you all meet Indians from India that you all even begin to identify with Guyana.

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
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The last time I checked Jagdeo has not been president for over 4 years.

When last I checked Jagdeo was Leader of the Opposition, and quite determined to start a racial civil war with his implication that he will "take back Guyana for US", having already defined the PPP as an Indian party.

The Leader of the Opposition is an important position and part of the system of governance in Guyana.  So why is Jagdeo beyond criticism when he does influence what goes on in Guyana?

Bet you don't see how stupid that is.  In fact your refusal to criticize Jagdeo, who destroyed GuySICKO, is due to the fact that you see him as a hero.  He used Roger Khan, a wanted criminal and you are quite happy with this.

And please cease pretending as if Ramotar wasn't a Jagdeo stooge. Jagdeo bytched slapped Ramotar for losing last year and tossed him out of leadership of the PPP.  What gave him that right?

caribny posted:

When last I checked Jagdeo was Leader of the Opposition, and quite determined to start a racial civil war with his implication that he will "take back Guyana for US", having already defined the PPP as an Indian party.

The Leader of the Opposition is an important position and part of the system of governance in Guyana.  So why is Jagdeo beyond criticism when he does influence what goes on in Guyana?

Bet you don't see how stupid that is.  In fact your refusal to criticize Jagdeo, who destroyed GuySICKO, is due to the fact that you see him as a hero.  He used Roger Khan, a wanted criminal and you are quite happy with this.

And please cease pretending as if Ramotar wasn't a Jagdeo stooge. Jagdeo bytched slapped Ramotar for losing last year and tossed him out of leadership of the PPP.  What gave him that right?

But it is Granger that running the country. What Jagdeo got to do with any of the incompetency displayed by this govt?  The PPP is practically impotent in parliament as the pnc has the majority, they are just there to collect a paycheck. Is the PnC running the show, they must take accountability. 

Enough of the excuses, hold the idiots you put into power accountable. 

Drugb posted:
 

But it is Granger that running the country. . 

Jagdeo destroyed GuySICKO.  Few of the people at GuySICKO voted for him. Maybe he just needs to refuse GuySICKO's begging bowl next.

The same bowl that they have been pushing since Jagdeo pushed the ill conceived Skeldon and put in a management team of incompetent thieves.

US$500 million poured in by the PPP and hundreds of millions of debt, due to the PPP, and you refuse to blame them!

caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

Hey clown, you spout exactly of what I speak.  If I'm not mistaken, a British company holds the copyright to the name and likely license it out.  When the PPP went to international court, it was already long registered.

You are the epitome of the race issue prevalent in Guyana.  For you, it's about PPP vs PNC, Indian vs Black.  You can never embark on any discussion on Guyana as a whole.  For you, it's a zero-sum game!

You cannot bring yourself to admit that the PPP screwed up because at the end of the day, like most Guyanese Indians, you cannot see yourself as a Guyanese outside of your identity as an Indian.

Indo Jamaicans are JAMAICANS.    You all Guyanese Indians see them as traitors, or confused.

You are also a fine one to scream about people not having an all embracing identity beyond race. At what point do you see Afro Guyanese as just Guyanese?  Look at the derision you constantly heap on "Brooklyn blacks".  You and the rest of your Indo KKK.

Like it or not it is far easier for Afro Guyanese and others to see themselves as being just Guyanese than it is for Indians.  In fact its only when you all meet Indians from India that you all even begin to identify with Guyana.

Talk for yourself, this may have occurred under the PNC as the brand was filed for a long time.

I don't know who/what gives Caribj the right to say who is or isn't patriotic.  You who abandoned Guyana 30+ years and never went back, was hardly engaged and said you prefer to spend your money in the Islands rather than Guyana.  Give me a break you bloody clown.

Baseman is an Indo-Guyanese, like it or lump it, I am INDIAN-Guyanese, get used it.  You know how we Indians act and what we say, what are you?  Banna, you expose your racism here daily, your disdain for Indians is on full display.  Who the hell appointed you judge, jury and executioner over Guyanese Indians.  Those INDIAN boys/girls in the PPP are infinitely more patriotic that or resident Panther.  Caribj, GO TO HELL you racist prick!!

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

But it is Granger that running the country. . 

Jagdeo destroyed GuySICKO.  Few of the people at GuySICKO voted for him. Maybe he just needs to refuse GuySICKO's begging bowl next.

The same bowl that they have been pushing since Jagdeo pushed the ill conceived Skeldon and put in a management team of incompetent thieves.

US$500 million poured in by the PPP and hundreds of millions of debt, due to the PPP, and you refuse to blame them!

Nonsense, Guysuco was not destroyed, it just did not modernize with the changing technologies. The attempt by the PPP to modernize via skeldon factory was ill advised by the booker tate company. This is a prime example why govt should not be running business.

Now Granger et al came in and said they will fix all problems and the people believed.  Now they put jackass Clive in charge of Guysuco and he failed in the past 1 1/2 years.  His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

ba$eman posted:
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Talk for yourself, this may have occurred under the PNC as the brand was filed for a long time.

I don't know who/what gives Caribj the right to say who is or isn't patriotic.  ..

Baseman is an Indo-Guyanese, like it or lump it, I am INDIAN-Guyanese, get used it.  .

Funny that you call me a racist prick and yet none of your multiple identities includes just being GUYANESE, and embracing its multi ethnic and multi cultural identity as being yours. You can only see yourself as an Indian, who happened to be born in Guyana.

The PPP had 23 years to develop a brand image.  We are now way more sophisticated about this than we were in the 70s, now that we should be more marketing savvy. Jamaica took advantage of these new perspectives.

To the PPP if it didn't mean 10% in their pockets, and screams of "ahbe pan tap, black man time done" they weren't interested.

To show how "patriotic" you were look how you criticized the commemoration of 50 years of independence.  You cannot celebrate being a Guyanese unless it comes with ethnic domination by an Indian elite.

Jamaica has tons of problems yet EVERY Jamaican, regardless of race, color, class, or political affiliation, felt proud to celebrate being a JAMAICAN!

Drugb posted:
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Nonsense, Guysuco was not destroyed,.

US$500 million in bailouts done over a 10 year period, not the result of some disaster.  And in addition further hundreds of millions of dollars (US) in debt.

And you think that it wasn't destroyed. If GuySICKO was a private company it would have been bankrupt LONG ago!

Drugb posted:
. His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

This statement alone shows what an idiot you are. How do companies succeed. The cut overhead expenses and increase yields.  This means shutting down estates that will never be profitable and switching the product mix to those with higher margins.

The choice is either shut down GuySICKO and let tens of thousands of mainly PPP supporters starve. Or focus on the most profitable estates and to add more value added products to the mix, and so hopefully losses can be reduced.

caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
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Talk for yourself, this may have occurred under the PNC as the brand was filed for a long time.

I don't know who/what gives Caribj the right to say who is or isn't patriotic.  ..

Baseman is an Indo-Guyanese, like it or lump it, I am INDIAN-Guyanese, get used it.  .

Funny that you call me a racist prick and yet none of your multiple identities includes just being GUYANESE, !

Hear me again, I'm Indo Guyanese, take it or leave it.  That makes me no more or less patriotic than you, you clown.  You openly said you prefer not to spend your money in Guyana but the Islands.

Your definition of patriotic is pure race-based!  Go to hell.  As far as you are concerned, Indo-Guyanese have no place in Guyana.

ba$eman posted:
 

Your definition of patriotic is pure race-based!  Go to hell.  As far as you are concerned, Indo-Guyanese have no place in Guyana.

Indo Guyanese have no place in Guyana. GUYANESE do. Are you a Guyanese, or is your "patriotism" based only on your race? 

Is your patriotism based only an identity with other Indians, or does it encompass Guyanese of other ethnicities?

Do you understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity or do you limit your nationality to your race?

caribny posted:
Prashad posted:
 

Jamaicans are not stupid they know when to play up to the white man and white woman. They know when to pull out and show bob marley white daddy photo. They know when to put up the photo of Queen Elizabeth as their head of state. Let us not fool ourselves. That is the reason why they have those big hotels and grace kennedy products in cans.

This from a man who married a half white woman. Guess you couldn't get a full white woman so you settled for a diluted one.

Another low blow from the Carib. There must be some misunderstanding here. I am not Sidney Poitier. I just excuse myself from being a guess at the dinner particularly when white meat is on the menu.

 

 

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

But it is Granger that running the country. . 

Jagdeo destroyed GuySICKO.  Few of the people at GuySICKO voted for him. Maybe he just needs to refuse GuySICKO's begging bowl next.

The same bowl that they have been pushing since Jagdeo pushed the ill conceived Skeldon and put in a management team of incompetent thieves.

US$500 million poured in by the PPP and hundreds of millions of debt, due to the PPP, and you refuse to blame them!

Nonsense, Guysuco was not destroyed, it just did not modernize with the changing technologies. The attempt by the PPP to modernize via skeldon factory was ill advised by the booker tate company. This is a prime example why govt should not be running business.

Now Granger et al came in and said they will fix all problems and the people believed.  Now they put jackass Clive in charge of Guysuco and he failed in the past 1 1/2 years.  His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

Guysuco was not destroyed.  In the larger scheme of things, Guyana was a small country and found it difficult to compete with the much larger producers.  Under Bookers, it was part of a larger vertically integrated enterprise, which as a whole, was viable.  Both Jagan and Burnham, in their folly thought they can use the raw supply (tail) to wag the dog, the down-stream industry.  They may have planned on some Soviet support like Cuba received, an EU style subsidy.

Anyway, regardless, Guyana remained a small player dependent on an EU subsidized market.  The industry never was built-out to a self-sustaining critical mass so we have what we have.  Sugar will never become much more than what it is, maybe a little here and there, some refining, etc. It will be around as a political football and employment provider for some segments of the population and earning some foreign currency.

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
. His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

This statement alone shows what an idiot you are. How do companies succeed. The cut overhead expenses and increase yields.  This means shutting down estates that will never be profitable and switching the product mix to those with higher margins.

The choice is either shut down GuySICKO and let tens of thousands of mainly PPP supporters starve. Or focus on the most profitable estates and to add more value added products to the mix, and so hopefully losses can be reduced.

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost? He abandoned any effort to increase the efficiency of the harvesting and  production process and instead ran directly to packaging and small time specialty. 

The two jackasses, Granger and Clive should shut down the industry if they can't make it competitive. It will be better for the long run. Don't keep making excuses about Indo's being out of work, it is dankey cart low level jobs anyway that leads to nowhere. 

Prashad posted:
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Another low blow from the Carib.

 

You are a man who screams Indian purity, but do exactly the opposite. You all but confirmed that your wife isn't going to follow you into Indesh and transform herself into a traditional Indian wife.

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