Guyana is not a democracy....

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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
He is going to bring that Lani Guinner's bullshit about tyranny of the majority. Democracy is not perfect but it what people are hungry for all over the world. The ARAB spring came about as a result people being forced to live under regimes that refuses to allow free elections.


all he need is some attention bhai..let him be...see no baddy don;t take dis ass on these days...paiwari overdose to be blames cheers
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Originally posted by Nehru:
Guyana has all the elements of a TRUE DEmocracy. An Executive Govt with the Judiciary and Commissions to provide Checks and Balances.



I even like dis one. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!


If we doan a watch dem, dem would take away everything under the sun. They have a perfect song for their campaigning, HaaaHaaa
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
He is going to bring that Lani Guinner's bullshit about tyranny of the majority. Democracy is not perfect but it what people are hungry for all over the world. The ARAB spring came about as a result people being forced to live under regimes that refuses to allow free elections.
Ms Guinner's work is not nonsense but that is irrelevant since I am not appealing to her obvious good sense but to the nonsense that we have a democracy.

It is a foregone conclusion that the the Westminster system functions by optimizing simple majorities to strong administrative governments. That works well in societies where the population is fairly homogeneous and the disputes are methodological rather than on ethnic grounds as ours.


A single constituency closed list electoral system aggravates this since it means the majority can be gleaned in essentially single ethnic domains with patronage and nepotism presenting the false view that a multiethnic perspective won the day. Add to that a party system that has no primaries or formal system for electing leaders and you have a monoculture where party allegiance and kith and kin dominance creates oligarchies of party cabal who are king makers and select the president.

The result is we have jagdeos and ramotars who no electorate vetted placed before the nation to be elected government on a simple majority what is ethnic based. That is undemocratic and the last 4 decades have seen every state with our bifurcated racial demographics cascade into tyranny and despotism and eventually into adversarial ethnic conflict.
You govern by the consent of the governed. The question is can the governed in Guyana ever be able to express its consent given that ethnic voting patterns means that the smaller of the two major ethnic groups will forever be not involved in giving it consent.

Guyana does have democratic institutions - a justice system, a Parliament, etc - and a military that's not involved in governance in any way, shape or form.

The current political system may not be perfect (Westminster parliamentary forms may not be suited for Guyana), but it has to considered a democracy.
I am glad I can point out the bassic Elements of Democracy. You are Welcome.
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Originally posted by cain:
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Originally posted by Nehru:
Guyana has all the elements of a TRUE DEmocracy. An Executive Govt with the Judiciary and Commissions to provide Checks and Balances.



I even like dis one. HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!


If we doan a watch dem, dem would take away everything under the sun. They have a perfect song for their campaigning, HaaaHaaa
Agree...you have to look at democracy as a spectrum on a scale and not black/white distinction. We are closer to dictatorship than democracy. Elections are free but not fair because the opposition is totally excluded from state media. We also have an oligarchic government that comes about from a communist internal party system.
We have not cascaded into tyranny and despotism nor does any single ethnic group in Guyana marginalized. There is plenty of evidence to support the opposites of what you clamouring about. Our sister Caricom nations use the same model without any fear. There is no system in the world that can give a 100% guarantee of fairness in every facet of life. The judiciary plays an important role in bring justice to the average man in society as well as the powerful. Our judiciary is in dire need of reform but it can only be done with the support of the opposition. The opposition view Carl Singh appointment to the high court as the only problem with the judiciary. It is political and utter non-sense. Just because he is an Indo who is impartial and refuses to a Holder or Claudette Singh he is deemed a traitor in the eyes of the PNC. Why should one ethnic group control the judiciary and use its powers to subvert the executive branch and the fine works of the Independent Elections Commission??? Have you forgotten the dark days of the PNC when the WPA and the PPP demanded that the Election Commission be given the rightful powers it truly deserves and let be an instrument working in the interest of populace rather than for a single political party???
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Originally posted by Kari:

Guyana does have democratic institutions - a justice system, a Parliament, etc - and a military that's not involved in governance in any way, shape or form.

Between elections, the opposition (45% of the people) have NO say in the justice system nor Parliament. In the Guyana Parliament today, the ruling party MPs are only accountable to the President (and to a lesser extent the ruling party executives), they vote for whatever the President desires or dictates. That is why Guyana is governed closer to an Elected Dictatorship.
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Originally posted by cain:
You think dem guys will ever grasp what you just wrote D2?
That's for high school kids to understand.


If only Guyana could drop the Indo sh!t and invite the brains to contribute to the government, that place could be a paradise.

In their life-time they wil never be able to grasp what D2 wrote.

Guyana is a one-man democracy : Jadgeo style.
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
We have not cascaded into tyranny and despotism nor does any single ethnic group in Guyana marginalized. There is plenty of evidence to support the opposites of what you clamouring about. Our sister Caricom nations use the same model without any fear. There is no system in the world that can give a 100% guarantee of fairness in every facet of life. The judiciary plays an important role in bring justice to the average man in society as well as the powerful. Our judiciary is in dire need of reform but it can only be done with the support of the opposition. The opposition view Carl Singh appointment to the high court as the only problem with the judiciary. It is political and utter non-sense. Just because he is an Indo who is impartial and refuses to a Holder or Claudette Singh he is deemed a traitor in the eyes of the PNC. Why should one ethnic group control the judiciary and use its powers to subvert the executive branch and the fine works of the Independent Elections Commission??? Have you forgotten the dark days of the PNC when the WPA and the PPP demanded that the Election Commission be given the rightful powers it truly deserves and let be an instrument working in the interest of populace rather than for a single political party???


WHENEVER ppp SEEM TO FAIL AT SOMETHING, ONE OF THEIR SUPPORTERS BRING UP THE pnc DAYS...IT'S BEED 19 YEARS DUMBO!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
We have not cascaded into tyranny and despotism nor does any single ethnic group in Guyana marginalized. [QUOTE]

Hundreds of black people publicly told you that rthey are "fed up of collie rule". Yes why should one race rule the other 55%?

Luncheon was unable to disprove claims of PPP racism. His answers were that he didnt know.
Plain and simple; YOU ARE A RACIST DOG!!!!
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Originally posted by caribj:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
We have not cascaded into tyranny and despotism nor does any single ethnic group in Guyana marginalized. [QUOTE]

Hundreds of black people publicly told you that rthey are "fed up of collie rule". Yes why should one race rule the other 55%?

Luncheon was unable to disprove claims of PPP racism. His answers were that he didnt know.
It seems like "Thug life" and "man with gun" has taken over the ppp party. During the Jagan period "man with gun" knew his place and kept his distance by being confined to the PYO. But today it look like "man with gun" has taken his place next to respectable political Comrades.
Explain in Hinglish now. partybanana partybanana
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Originally posted by Wally:
It seems like "Thug life" and "man with gun" has taken over the ppp party. During the Jagan period "man with gun" knew his place and kept his distance by being confined to the PYO. But today it look like "man with gun" has taken his place next to respectable political Comrades.
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Originally posted by Nehru:
Explain in Hinglish now. partybanana partybanana
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Originally posted by Wally:
It seems like "Thug life" and "man with gun" has taken over the ppp party. During the Jagan period "man with gun" knew his place and kept his distance by being confined to the PYO. But today it look like "man with gun" has taken his place next to respectable political Comrades.
kwame and taps son in OP joe and bynoe in the ppp rob st free dom house
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Originally posted by Wally:
It seems like "Thug life" and "man with gun" has taken over the ppp party. During the Jagan period "man with gun" knew his place and kept his distance by being confined to the PYO. But today it look like "man with gun" has taken his place next to respectable political Comrades.




The PPP has become like the Jamaica Labor Party.
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Originally posted by Wally:
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Originally posted by Wally:
It seems like "Thug life" and "man with gun" has taken over the ppp party. During the Jagan period "man with gun" knew his place and kept his distance by being confined to the PYO. But today it look like "man with gun" has taken his place next to respectable political Comrades.




The PPP has become like the Jamaica Labor Party.
maybe you should let these ppp soup drinkers, know what the jamaica labour party is like.some of them is ppp blind
and wid all the bull yall trying to spread here the Guyanese people will not buy it..the Guyanese voters will vote the PPP back into office come the 28...let's see if all Guyanese are racist or fools on the 29...the KFC done fu good rass..licks like peas fu yall..PPP all the way..Guyana voting PPP on the 28... cheers
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
and wid all the bull yall trying to spread here the Guyanese people will not buy it..the Guyanese voters will vote the PPP back into office come the 28...let's see if all Guyanese are racist or fools on the 29...the KFC done fu good rass..licks like peas fu yall..PPP all the way..Guyana voting PPP on the 28... cheers
the ppp have to hope the indian people remain racist,to win this election,but it will not happen the indian people is fed up of the ppp crime family.
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Originally posted by warrior:
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Originally posted by SuperMike:
and wid all the bull yall trying to spread here the Guyanese people will not buy it..the Guyanese voters will vote the PPP back into office come the 28...let's see if all Guyanese are racist or fools on the 29...the KFC done fu good rass..licks like peas fu yall..PPP all the way..Guyana voting PPP on the 28... cheers
the ppp have to hope the indian people remain racist,to win this election,but it will not happen the indian people is fed up of the ppp crime family.


whatever...The PPP is the party of all Guyanese....unlike theh KFC the party of rejects..see Mark Bencshit juss jump on board...another piece of shyte added to the already big pile yall had to begin with...licks like peas come 29 cheers
The AFC wants us think that the PNC's 28 year rule is irrelevant and should not be referred to in political debates. How can we choose to rake this out of our memory when the former regime is trying to get back into office to resume their same style of governing?? They have no remorse for what they have done. On the contrary, they have the audacity to tell their supporters and the people of Guyana that they were democratic and the economy was in excellent shape. We cannot live with our heads in the sand. To do so would mean betrayal of the very things we believe in.
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
The AFC wants us think that the PNC's 28 year rule is irrelevant and should not be referred to in political debates. How can we choose to rake this out of our memory when the former regime is trying to get back into office to resume their same style of governing?? They have no remorse for what they have done. On the contrary, they have the audacity to tell their supporters and the people of Guyana that they were democratic and the economy was in excellent shape. We cannot live with our heads in the sand. To do so would mean betrayal of the very things we believe in.


and we also hve a former crook from the PNC heading the KFC and we al know his nabble string tie up in the PNC...watch dem joining hands to try and harm the PPP and Guyanese..the AFC is a branch of the PNC and the Guyanese voters knows dis and come the 28 the GFuyanese voters will reject dem and vote the PPP back into office...PPP all the way to victory...AFC done fu good dis time cheers
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Originally posted by Billy Ram Balgobin:
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  • We have not cascaded into tyranny and despotism nor does any single ethnic group in Guyana marginalized. There is plenty of evidence to support the opposites of what you clamouring about.

  • Our sister Caricom nations use the same model without any fear.

  • There is no system in the world that can give a 100% guarantee of fairness in every facet of life.

  • The judiciary plays an important role in bring justice to the average man in society as well as the powerful. Our judiciary is in dire need of reform but it can only be done with the support of the opposition. The opposition view Carl Singh appointment to the high court as the only problem with the judiciary.
  • It is political and utter non-sense. Just because he is an Indo who is impartial and refuses to a Holder or Claudette Singh he is deemed a traitor in the eyes of the PNC.

  • Why should one ethnic group control the judiciary and use its powers to subvert the executive branch and the fine works of the Independent Elections Commission???

  • Have you forgotten the dark days of the PNC when the WPA and the PPP demanded that the Election Commission be given the rightful powers it truly deserves and let be an instrument working in the interest of populace rather than for a single political party???
  • In 2002 the government embarked on a project to root out its hostile aggressors outside the scope of the law. It hired Roger Khan, and his devil's foundlings to do due duty in a murder for hire scheme that killed dozens. That was tyranny.

    Most people on this site stood by that and still do. They justify the use of a murder by the leader of a drug cartel as defensive actions against organized opposition insurrection aimed at eliminating the PPP. Being incompetent and ignorant of their moral obligation to utilize agencies of the state within the scope of the law in all such responses; they instead responded only as bullies they know how, by murder. That is tyranny

    Today the PPP clamor about their environmental consciousness. But they were the ones who sought out known desiccators of the environment and pillagers of indigenous cultures all the way in Singapore and Malaysia. Cheddi screamed that the environmentalist are bad and they are out to hinder development. When the international powers intervened and warned he cannot do it without oversight ( they had no forest rangers), he agreed with a 5 year moratorium. However they went around this with Chanderpaul's invention "exploratory leases" so the pillagers can come in before the infrastructure to protect the environment was developed.

    And come in they did; under dozens of names pretesting to be locally owned as well as foreign owned but all under the same Malaysian family control. The PPP turned a blind eye dispite warnings many of which still exist in archives on the internet. Even in instances deliberate of cutting outside their lease areas hence theft they were not sanctioned ( JJ even forgive one when the craven theft was made public). And then they took to buldozing entire villages like baramita, the PPP still turned its back. That is tyranny.

    And the list goes on; complete lack of transparency in every state use of funds or resources. There was the Beal deal that could have given away most of the Essequibo cost in the Waini area at the expense of evicting some native 120 families living there since time immemorial. We were lucky that collapse. The buddy, deal, the flip deal, the giving away of 45 of our land to an unknown Indian furniture maker, Pradoville I and II etc that is tyranny.

    CARICOM nations use the majoritarian system but they do not have racially bifurcated societies as ours. that is the main source of the failure of Westministerism in our society. And no one is asking for perfection. We want checks and balance. We do not want the gerrymandering of the constitution so the PPP can maintain their leadership ballet between Civic and them. Our constitution has lines of succession and it is to be sacrosanct. People in office are there because they are supposed to be competent in their roles and can stand in not be placed in there because a party needs a negotiating tool.

    Then there is the matter of democratic centralism foisting a mutton headed megalomaniac in the form of Jagdeo on us and now giving us his version of "Mini Me" in the form of Ramotar ( only he is a fat piggie Mini Me). That is the PPP disrespecting democracy and more concerned with their grasping for power. It is not that they would inevitably lose if they instituted accountable devolved system where the people can pitch in to run things smoothly. They want power exclusively because the need the option to be fatted calves with uncontrolled access to the nations teat so as craven scoundrels they can milk the nation dry.

    Why is our judiciary not functioning after 2 decades of their rule? Simple, they do not want it so. It is an after thought. And quit being an idiot and confusing yourself about not wanting one ethnic group to control the judiciary or anything. Is that not my principal point of contention? The PPP is an Indian actualized party run by kith and kin of the PPP cabal so we have an oligarchy based on race and dominated by a clan! Speak to that if you can see a race neutral judiciary or any commission. That you appeal to this as evidence to refute want I am tying to tell you is pervasive speaks to your confusion and defense of the indefensible. The PPP represents Indian to everyone else and even if it were not it would not matter. Such is the pervasive message wrapped and packaged in the social and political meme. Race matters in Guyana. It should not.

    And how can I forget the PNC? The PPP do everything in their power maximize their template. Some say they are the PNC lite! I say they are for all intents and purpose a similar race based party with a similar opacity index in dealing with our resources? Only they steal more!
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    Originally posted by D2:
    If you care to make an informed analysis as to why this is incorrect, please do it here. I am taking on all comers.

    Western Tradition is white trash version of democracy which needs to be exterminated. White trash cannot teach anyone about democracy and neither can you..so run with your that thing up your behind and complain to them.
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    Originally posted by Streetsmart:
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    Originally posted by D2:
    If you care to make an informed analysis as to why this is incorrect, please do it here. I am taking on all comers.

    Western Tradition is white trash version of democracy which needs to be exterminated. White trash cannot teach anyone about democracy and neither can you..so run with your that thing up your behind and complain to them.
    You are not expected to make sense. A disease of PPP supporters for sure.
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    Originally posted by Streetsmart:
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    Originally posted by SuperMike:
    his little world..that assisted living quarters he is stuck in cheers

    something is stuck in him but he likes that
    I warned amral about u. If he does not I will.

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