Guyana Customs Restricts Indian Wear

ksazma posted:
 

According to his post, he was not allowed more than 3 outfits. He also argued that folks like Kwayana wears African outfits all the time so they would need more than 3 outfits if they were keen on clean clothes.

If someone brings in used clothing that they clearly own that is one thing. If some one brought in a suit case with African fabrics she would be demanding duty.  That is if it is deemed that this was excessive to be used for gift purposes.

Clothing and electronic items are the two areas that Caribbean customs officers focus on because those are the items most likely being brought in for re-sale through the suit case route. If an item is not for personal use, or isn't a gift (and the "reasonable quantity" definition is used here, then the officer has a right to levy duty.

Bisram should prove that there is OFFICIAL customs policy that Indian garb is singled out for special treatment.  The fact that Eusi arrives with a suitcase of HIS clothes, is irrelevant to this discussion.  If he said that he normally wears Indian attire and these are his personal clothes then this is where a direct comparison can be made.

If some one arrived with a whole set of African fabrics for sale on August Monday you bet that these items would be dutiable.

ksazma posted:

The people running Guyana right now are hapless and my guess is that they will spend the rest of this Congress term being hapless.

Guyana has NEVER been run by people who weren't hapless, except maybe between 1964-68 when the presence of the UF forced the PNC to behave.

skeldon_man posted:

Does Carib know Muslim women in Guyana wear the Muslim head wear now? What makes him think Hindus don't wear Indian clothes? I strongly believe that Carib was in love with a coolie girl and he suffered an unrequited love relationship, hence his hate for coolies.

You are correct, this was revealed about 12 years ago, the man used to wear doti and sing bajan, then the Indian woman dumped him. I told hime to bring the woman flowers but he was too cheap. Hence his hatred. 

Drugb posted:
 

You are correct, this was revealed about 12 years ago, the man used to wear doti and sing bajan, then the Indian woman dumped him. I told hime to bring the woman flowers but he was too cheap. Hence his hatred. 

I suspect you were in love with a black man who told you he doesn't go that way. Hence your incessant screams that blacks are violent, lazy and criminal.  When asked to make a positive statement about blacks all you could manage was the reputed size of our manhood.

Carib knows how I think about the issue

                        I don't want to see him like this

                      

 

                                     But like this 

                     

caribny posted:

I suspect you were in love with a black man who told you he doesn't go that way. Hence your incessant screams that blacks are violent, lazy and criminal.  When asked to make a positive statement about blacks all you could manage was the reputed size of our manhood.

There are many positives about blacks, in fact recently one was our president Obama. It is the ones like you who advocate welfare and reparations with a belief in entitlement that are a curse to the race. 

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are correct, this was revealed about 12 years ago, the man used to wear doti and sing bajan, then the Indian woman dumped him. I told hime to bring the woman flowers but he was too cheap. Hence his hatred. 

I suspect you were in love with a black man who told you he doesn't go that way. Hence your incessant screams that blacks are violent, lazy and criminal.  When asked to make a positive statement about blacks all you could manage was the reputed size of our manhood.

Bro, I KNOW u r above that. Y u followup.

Drugb posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Does Carib know Muslim women in Guyana wear the Muslim head wear now? What makes him think Hindus don't wear Indian clothes? I strongly believe that Carib was in love with a coolie girl and he suffered an unrequited love relationship, hence his hate for coolies.

You are correct, this was revealed about 12 years ago, the man used to wear doti and sing bajan, then the Indian woman dumped him. I told hime to bring the woman flowers but he was too cheap. Hence his hatred. 

That must have been a sight to see. Too bad there were not any pictures... it would have been history frozen in time. Did he paint his head and face with the yellow stuff too? I bet he wanted to be called panditji.

Mitwah posted:

Prash, what do think about Carib wearing pyjamas or cummerbunds?

Carib wears neither but Mitwah walks down the streets of North America and Guyana dressed like Gandhi did in his last days.  I heard that the Asian Indians in Edison, NJ think that he is mad while they walk around the malls in the latest US style attire

Prashad posted:

Carib knows how I think about the issue

                        I don't want to see him like this

                      

 

                                     But like this 

                     

So little that you know of Africa that you would know that the origin of this style belongs more to the Muslim regions of West Africa.

This is the problem with those looking for "African" culture.  It is so vast and varied and impossible to encompass.  Now should I be an Igbo, a Fon, an Ewe, an Akan (Fante most likely) or a Mandingo, or a Wolof.  Chances are that I have all of those ancestries within me.

In fact Africans living in the Caribbean laugh on Emancipation Day when Trinidadians, Guyanese and others go in a mash mash of attire not knowing that one cannot mix how a Congolese dresses with some one from Senegal.  The first time that these peoples would have met would have been cutting cane on some Caribbean island, or digging for gold somewhere in South America, or picking tobacco leaves on a North American plantation.

In fact its the likes of the Ramphals and the Luckhoos and others of that ilk who only stopped dressing like that when Burnham ordered them to.

Now discuss amongst yourselves why when the PPP came into power in 1992 the British style suit and tie came back in and the shirtjac was abolished!

canibal posted:
Mitwah posted:

Prash, what do think about Canib wearing pyjamas or cummerbunds?

Canib wears neither but Mitwah walks down the streets of North America and Guyana dressed like Gandhi did in his last days.  I heard that the Asian Indians in Edison, NJ think that he is mad while they walk around the malls in the latest US style attire

Canib you are very funny. hahahahahah. 

Mitwah posted:
 

Canib you are very funny. hahahahahah. 

Why is this funny? You are so "Indian" that you dress like the old Indian peasants, maybe your ancestors.  Of course modern India thinks that strange.   Take a look at the attire of most urban Indians.

canibal posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

Canib you are very funny. hahahahahah. 

Why is this funny? You are so "Indian" that you dress like the old Indian peasants, maybe your ancestors.  Of course modern India thinks that strange.   Take a look at the attire of most urban Indians.

Canib, this is even more funny shyte. 

Mitwah posted:
canibal posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

Canib you are very funny. hahahahahah. 

Why is this funny? You are so "Indian" that you dress like the old Indian peasants, maybe your ancestors.  Of course modern India thinks that strange.   Take a look at the attire of most urban Indians.

Canib, this is even more funny shyte. 

Carib views are extremely deep,most folks seems to have trouble to understand.

Django posted:

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I recently passed through Cheddi Jagan Airport and was pulled out for “hand” inspection. For some inexplicable reason, every time I arrived in Guyana under this PNC led regime, I am harassed at immigration and or at customs. If the intention of the regime is for me to end my activism against racial discrimination and political persecution, it is sadly mistaken. I spent my entire life championing free and fair elections and advocating for grass roots democracy in Guyana. I was accustomed to the harassment, intimidation, and physical violence of the PNC dictatorship –these did not stop me from my struggle against the dictatorship or speaking out against bad governance of the PNC and even during the PPP administration (although the latter did not directly harass me).

At Cheddi Jagan, the custom officer thoroughly went through all of my bags and separated all of the Indian garb on one side and left the other items in the luggage. She was not focused on a new pair of expensive booths or the new sneakers or refreshments or other items. She focused like a laser on the Indian wear. She ripped open the see through plastic bags containing the Indian ethnic wear instead of gently taking them out and examining them. These were brought to Guyana to donate to the poor as I would normally do whenever I come to Guyana. I always donate to the poor children particularly to orphanages.

The customs officer said I had to pay duty on the Indian garb. I asked why. She informed me that only three pieces of Indian wear are allowed duty free. What? Unheard of! Clearly none of the items could be for sale; they are personal items. The monetary value was negligible. How would she determine cost to levy duty? She said I had nine pieces; the truth is I had ten pieces with a total value of less than US $50 that I bought on a recent trip to India. Friends can attest I donate generously when in Guyana. I always brought Indian wear to donate in Guyana.

The issue of three Indian wear is very troubling as it restricts my right to dress in my culture. So if someone visits Guyana for an Indian cultural event, he or she can’t bring more than three ethnic wear without paying duties. Is this what the officer is saying?  Is that the instruction from Finance Minister Winston Jordan and customs towards Indian coming to Guyana — not many Indian wear to be allowed in Guyana — deculturize the Indians? What next? Will there be restriction on consumption of aloo, dhal, roti, channa, prasad, sirni, etc. as happened during the PNC ethnic dictatorship between 1966 and 1992. Is the PNC government resending a message for Indo-Guyanese to go back to India or simply leave Guyana as the PNC did? Are we going back to the Burnhamism? Has Moses Nagamootoo, Khemraj Ramjattan and Charandass Persaud trade in the 11% Indian support with the PNC to go back to Burnhamism?

Does the restriction of three traditional garbs also apply to African wear? African nationalists like David Hinds, Kwayana, Ogunseye, Eric Phillips, Clive Thomas, etc. wear traditional African garbs. Are restrictions placed on how many pieces they can bring into Guyana? Do they support this restriction on Indian wear? Will they speak out against it?

I do not know if it is now de facto government policy to restrict how much Indian clothing a person can have or wear. I call on Indian organizations within Guyana and internationally to take note and voice their strong objection to this policy of only three duty free Indian wear.

Guyanese customs and or government cannot impose a limit on peoples’ choice of ethnic clothing of how many personal wears are permitted at customs. White governments don’t do it in North America and Europe. The Afro-PNC led government must cease and desist from this clearly racist policy. And the government also needs to stop giving instructions to harass political activists and having the special branch trail (and spy on) opposition figures – these were the hallmarks of Burnhamism and the evidence so far over the last two years is very strong that we are returning to that period.

I should note, however, that not even during the height of the PNC ethnic dictatorship did Burnham put restriction on Indian ethnic wear although importation of Indian garb was almost impossible because he refused to authorize foreign exchange to bring in traditional Indian garments. But there was a ban in place on food imports such as roti, dhal, raisins, etc. relating to the Indian cultural and religious diet.

The policy of levying duty on Indian wear for personal use must be resisted by all.

Yours truly,

Dr Vishnu Bisram


 

Bisram at it again.

I don't know who this Bisram or if this story is true or accurate but to limit "Indian" clothing and/or to levy duties on personal clothes is asinine and if a policy is targeting one group, Indians. I really doubt this is policy. It's more likely a customs officer trying to get a "fret".

Mitwah posted:

Is that the instruction from Finance Minister Winston Jordan and customs towards Indian coming to Guyana and not many Indian wear to be allowed in Guyana — deculturize the Indians? What next? Will there be restriction on consumption of aloo, dhal, roti, channa, prasad, sirni, etc. as happened during the PNC ethnic dictatorship between 1966 and 1992. Is the PNC government resending a message for Indo-Guyanese to go back to India or simply leave Guyana as the PNC did? Are we going back to the Burnhamism? Has Moses Nagamootoo, Khemraj Ramjattan and Charandass Persaud trade in the 11% Indian support with the PNC to go back to Burnhamism?

I happen to believe Dr. Vishnu Bisram. I would like to hear what Winston Jordan have to say. 

Be careful pundit!!! Them APNU boys could hang you with your own dhoti.

Django posted:
Leonora posted:

Mits, is it true you walk around in your dhoti?  

Mits,an westernized East Indian Guyanese holding on to his ancestors roots,kudos to him.

The man walks around looking like Mahatma Gandhi even as Indians in Mumbai wear the latest western fashions.

GTAngler posted:
 

I don't know who this Bisram or if this story is true or accurate but to limit "Indian" clothing and/or to levy duties on personal clothes is asinine and if a policy is targeting one group, Indians. I really doubt this is policy. It's more likely a customs officer trying to get a "fret".

With all of the chatter that has ensued since this alleged incident many BLACK people have reported that they have had to pay duty on a number of items, including routine clothing, when the custom officers didn't think that it was for personal use, and when the amounts seemed excessive to be a random gift.

I suggest that this falls into this category, and will readily concede that many of the demands for duty to be paid amount to bullying tactics by officers who want an "incentive" to have this demand waived. 

The GRA is known to be a corrupt entity from its highest levels to the most modest. I bet even the watchmen have figured out how to get bribes. 

I suggest that Bisram furnishes proof that this is OFFICIAL customs policy to charge Indian cultural attire.  His boss Jagdeo can definitely help him out, given that he no doubt has spies in GRA who can happily furnish documentation that this was furnished to customs officers as policy.

Or does Bisram think that Indian attire be exempt from other clothing items that are dutiable when not for personal use or TOKEN gift purposes?  Because it is known that clothing, alcohol and electronic items have long been on the hit list for import duty for passengers arriving with items in their suitcases.

And from what I have seen APNU policy since assuming office is to harass anybody who lacks the clout to protect themselves, without regard to race.  The high handed way that the G/T City Council transacts business is evidence of it, as well as claims (by the PPP) that they evicted mainly black farmers from state owned land that they leased.

Bisram had NOTHING to say when the PPP was harassing blacks, and in fact even mounted campaigns to demonize any who made such claims.

caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

Canib you are very funny. hahahahahah. 

Why is this funny? You are so "Indian" that you dress like the old Indian peasants, maybe your ancestors.  Of course modern India thinks that strange.   Take a look at the attire of most urban Indians.

its does not matter every person have a choice to wear what they want wait till you see me in my long white gown with a cross in your front yard i hope you have no tree in your front yard 

 

Leonora posted:

Mits, is it true you walk around in your dhoti?  

Only when he goes to sing at dead houses.

By the way, I attended a yagna Saturday evening at a mandir in Fort Lauderdale. The couple were celebrating their 18th and did a 4 days yagna from Thursday thru Sunday. I had the pleasure of listening to this female Guyanese singer name Mona. She is sooooooo soulful and her arti was wonderful.  

warrior posted:
caribny posted:
Mitwah posted:
 

Canib you are very funny. hahahahahah. 

Why is this funny? You are so "Indian" that you dress like the old Indian peasants, maybe your ancestors.  Of course modern India thinks that strange.   Take a look at the attire of most urban Indians.

its does not matter every person have a choice to wear what they want wait till you see me in my long white gown with a cross in your front yard i hope you have no tree in your front yard 

 

Carib just bucketed you as brown bai KKK. Make sure you get that white KKK head wear too. Now that you gave the man notice, he might not sleep well for the rest of his life. When you get there, check see if a window blind is slightly pulled to one side. The man might be looking out for you coolie.

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