Govt pilloried (attack or riduculed publicly) over ethnic, gender imbalance

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 This whole process started with the pnc dictatorship when one had to have a party card to get a job. 

See there you go.  No, racism started under the PPP when Jagan let the racists take over, and people like Eusi Kwayana were forced to leave. 

 

Eusi was very explicit that he was forced to leave when it became very evident to him that the PPP had been taken over by Indo supremacists.

 

 

So here we go,,.......baaad black man as usual.....cannot speak to Indian racism, and now you think that you have the moral authority to speak to PNC racism!

 

 

If the PNC treats Indians as the PPP treated Africans, and if you didn't support those who spoke out against PPP racism, then you are a HYPOCRITE for now pretending to care about racism!

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
.  I have NEVER saw you refer to ANY PPP leader with any due respect. 

And does any PPP leader deserve respect, as every day more news is revealed about what a vile, corrupt and incompetent regime they were?

This is your racism of full display.  You are too steep in your racism to even see it.

 

Talk about incompetence, ha ha, PNC scoring 100% in strike-outs.  You should stay away from that for now bai.

No PPP leader since Jagan's passing deserves respect

 

Does Caribny respect the black guy Roger Lunchmeat?

I'll guess...NO.

 

Originally Posted by cain:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
.  I have NEVER saw you refer to ANY PPP leader with any due respect. 

And does any PPP leader deserve respect, as every day more news is revealed about what a vile, corrupt and incompetent regime they were?

This is your racism of full display.  You are too steep in your racism to even see it.

 

Talk about incompetence, ha ha, PNC scoring 100% in strike-outs.  You should stay away from that for now bai.

No PPP leader since Jagan's passing deserves respect

 

Does Caribny respect the black guy Roger Lunchmeat?

I'll guess...NO.

 

Yea yea, like you according to Caribj, dead PNC leader were bad and living PPP leaders are bad.  In anycase, what respect was Jagan afforded by Afros, NONE!!

Originally Posted by asj:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by asj:

Seems like there is a serious shortage of Indo Guyanese in Guyana, or APNU/AFC can be seen as racially inclined.

Did you have anything to say when only two state corporations/commissions were headed by blacks.

 

The PPP are the last people to complain about racism.  Only those who pointed out racist practices of the PPP can make comments on this now.

 

When asked why the dearth of blacks in leadership positions during the Jagdeo/Ramotar era, the response was "maybe there aren't any qualified blacks".

I followed your respond and cannot say that I agree with you for the simple reason, we voted for change, and had hoped that all this nonsense based on race would now have been a thing of the past.......but with APNU/AFC, it seems to be an ongoing feature. They seemed to continued where the PNC left off.

ASJ, 

 

APNU is comprised mainly of PNC. Yes the PPP was bad but we are now going from bad to worse.

 

Indos are now being treated like third class citizens under APNU while Moses and Ramjattan remain silent.

 

Moses and Ramjattan are yet to realize the power that they yield.

 

The OLD PNC is back in full swing.

most Indians on this board have been loathe to condemn the PPP for being racist

 

incompetence, stealing and allied depradations, oh yes! . . . but always drawing the line at acknowledging meaningful race discrimination

 

in fact, so-called progressives like Seignet have felt privileged enough to opine that whatever 'punishment' is being meted out to the generations of blackman in Linden by the PPP is actually merited . . . they "have not suffered enough" for Wismar he says

 

indeed, most on this board have studiously avoided any proper comment on some of the downright scary statistics offered up in the Jagdeo/Kissoon libel trial . . . and i am not talking about the Min. of Foreign Affairs

 

Freddie himself is loathed by many here simply because he will not be silent on the former regime's praxis in this realm and the sorrowful taste it leaves in his (very East Indian) mouth

 

all this brings me to APNU-AFC being "pilloried" for not having a high enough %age of "Indians" in their 1st wave of state board appointments

 

could we not wait until we have a budget and the dust actually settled before showing such opportunism without benefit of analysis/statistics or a credible showing of malign intent?

 

y'all screaming without evidence scant weeks into the APNU-AFC term about runaway "ethnic cleansing" does not inspire confidence, and brings into question plenty of y'all motivation(s)

 

that said, the coalition can, must and will do better . . . please note that we are, at the very beginning of a long, complicated process

 

neither the AFC nor APNU is suicidal

Originally Posted by redux:

most Indians on this board have been loath to condemn the PPP for being racist

 

incompetence, stealing and allied depradations, oh yes! . . . but always drawing the line at acknowledging meaningful race discrimination

 

in fact, so-called progressives like Seignet have felt privileged enough to opine that whatever 'punishment' is being meted out to the generations of blackman in Linden by the PPP is actually merited . . . they "have not suffered enough" for Wismar he says

 

indeed, most on this board have studiously avoided any proper comment on some of the downright scary statistics offered up in the Jagdeo/Kissoon libel trial . . . and i am not talking about the Min. of Foreign Affairs

 

Freddie himself is loathed by many here simply because he will not be silent on the former regime's praxis in this realm and the sorrowful taste it leaves in his (very East Indian) mouth

 

all this brings me to APNU-AFC being "pilloried" for not having a high enough %age of "Indians" in their 1st wave of state board appointments

 

could we not wait until we have a budget and the dust actually settled before showing such opportunism without benefit of analysis/statistics or a credible showing of malign intent?

 

y'all screaming without evidence scant weeks into the APNU-AFC term about runaway "ethnic cleansing" does not inspire confidence, and brings into question plenty of y'all motivation(s)

 

that said, the coalition can, must and will do better . . . please note that we are, at the very beginning of a long, complicated process

 

neither the AFC nor APNU is suicidal

"loath" not "loathe" . . . typo, sorry

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
.  I have NEVER saw you refer to ANY PPP leader with any due respect. 

And does any PPP leader deserve respect, as every day more news is revealed about what a vile, corrupt and incompetent regime they were?

This is your racism of full display.  You are too steep in your racism to even see it.

 

Talk about incompetence, ha ha, PNC scoring 100% in strike-outs.  You should stay away from that for now bai.

I see.  You can call black people dirty, lazy, criminal and feel that they should be grateful for living in a country with hard working Indians.  that isn't racism, but telling you that the PPP were a bunch of corrupt, incompetent and violent people is racism.

 

Any way folks will jump to your defense.

Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Let us talk about your voice on GNI. The topic whether you are morally fit to complain about PNC racism, given your silence on PPP racism.

 

You refuse to comment on PPP racism, so you make my point.  Racism is only a bad thing when you fear that you will be the victim.  Under the PPP you didn't fear racial exclusion, so it didn't bother you.

 

 

 And the PPP began the racism and chased Eusi Kwayana away when he began to see that it had become an Indo supremacist party.  I note of course that you REFUSE to engage the topic of Indo racism towards blacks, but then think that you have the moral authority to complain that the Granger gov't is being racist.

Originally Posted by redux:

 

that said, the coalition can, must and will do better . . . please note that we are, at the very beginning of a long, complicated process

 

neither the AFC nor APNU is suicidal

Yes you are correct on this, but those who endorsed the PPPs racism, or who remained silent about it do not have the moral authority to comment on what APNU/AFC might be doing.

 

I look forward to Freddie K writing on this topic.  If he condemns APNU for being ethnically exclusive then I will support him.  I will because he spoke against an Indian regime when they engaged in racially exclusive behavior.

 

Freddie K has earned the right to talk on this because he proved that what he wants is ethnic INCLUSION.  Whether there is an Indo or Afro dominated government.  He faced extreme pain in proving this point.  Not only did he risk his own life, but those of his wife and his daughter, when the racist Jagdeo coward tried to shut him up, using his goons.

 

What these clowns want is to not be treated by APNU as the PPP treated blacks.  They lack the moral integrity to opine on this topic.  Especially that Indo supremacist baseman.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Let us talk about your voice on GNI. 

 

 

250 people read GNI, who gives a damn!

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Let us talk about your voice on GNI. 

 

 

250 people read GNI, who gives a damn!

And yet every time you google Guyana some how this site appears.  And of course GNI has been referred to by BOTH KN and SN, and by Bajans, when they have lurked on the site and seen the blatant and hostile anti black attitudes perpetrated by you and the rest of your Indo KKK gang. 

 

Thanks you to these Bajans now have a clearer understanding of the attitudes that so many Indo Guyanese have towards blacks, even when reduced to cleaning their toilets and cutting their grass.

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Let us talk about your voice on GNI. 

 

 

250 people read GNI, who gives a damn!

All this discussion for naught?

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Let us talk about your voice on GNI. 

 

 

250 people read GNI, who gives a damn!

And yet every time you google Guyana some how this site appears.  And of course GNI has been referred to by BOTH KN and SN, and by Bajans, when they have lurked on the site and seen the blatant and hostile anti black attitudes perpetrated by you and the rest of your Indo KKK gang. 

 

Thanks you to these Bajans now have a clearer understanding of the attitudes that so many Indo Guyanese have towards blacks, even when reduced to cleaning their toilets and cutting their grass.

You are the great equalizer!!

Originally Posted by baseman:
  In anycase, what respect was Jagan afforded by Afros, NONE!!

After Burnham left Eusi stayed because he didn't like Burnham and never trusted him.  Jagan took on board Indo supremacists like you, and quietly endorsed the apan jhat that they preached, as this ensured his victory.

 

Because of this Eusi left, because he wasn't going to be any one's stooge.  Not for Jagan, nor for Burnham.

 

You then blame blacks for not respecting Jagan.  Why should they, when he headed a party which was intent to completely exclude them from any role in governing Guyana?  Look at what Cheddie did to Civic?  And what did Cheddie do when savage PYO thugs attacked, and even killed innocent black women and kids?

Originally Posted by baseman:
.

You are the great equalizer!!

When asked how I am racist, the best that you can come up is my utter contempt for Jagdeo and Ramotar. 

 

You my friend are unparalleled in your blatant bigotry towards blacks and daily portray us as savage criminals whose only intent is to kill Indians.  You however don't consider that racist, which means that these attitudes are so deeply embedded in you that you don't even understand how bigoted that makes you.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Where was your voice when this process commenced under the PNC dictatorship and continued for 28 years? It has to stop sometime and many who voted for the coalition bought their promise of change. I guess as I they say, the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Let us talk about your voice on GNI. The topic whether you are morally fit to complain about PNC racism, given your silence on PPP racism.

 

You refuse to comment on PPP racism, so you make my point.  Racism is only a bad thing when you fear that you will be the victim.  Under the PPP you didn't fear racial exclusion, so it didn't bother you.

 

 

 And the PPP began the racism and chased Eusi Kwayana away when he began to see that it had become an Indo supremacist party.  I note of course that you REFUSE to engage the topic of Indo racism towards blacks, but then think that you have the moral authority to complain that the Granger gov't is being racist.

Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship for 28 years instituted racist policies? The coalition promised a different approach. What they are doing is not a different approach. This is why they are being criticized. We expected different. If we are superceding an "Indo supremacy " party by a Afro supremacy party then this does not solve the problem. Instead, as we see happening here, it hardens people position and attitudes and provides no hope for the future. The next government that comes in, if there is change in government in the future will use these actions of the present government to do the same thing. When does it stop? There is Indo and Afro racism in Guyana as there is racism in all countries.we have all experienced this racism and sometimes it colours the way we view the world. We hope that it makes us better people. Denying any racism does not solve it. Neither does saying tit for tat.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by asj:

Carib, if the PPP/C were the only organization referring to this non-sense .

How many of those groups spoke specifically to the ethnic exclusion that was happening to Afro Guyanese.  Oh yes, every one ran for cover, leaving the few like Kissoon, Hinds, Hughes, Eric Phillips, and a few others. 

 

In fact these folks can talk about death threats which they received, and at least one Afro Guyanese was wiped out by Jagdeo's goons.

 

BTW how many women were given leadership roles under the PPP?

 

Oh yes, now suddenly people can talk, as they think that they need not fear Jagdeo's goons.

Thanks for defending PNC's racism.  You voted for Good governance but you get more of what you bargained for. 

I do know Gordon Forte and while we may or may not agree with everything he says, he is an honourable man. 

 

He is also of mixed race, and the entire family is very multicultural consisting of all the races in Guyana. 

 

He spoke out about PPP corruption and racism so I believe he has earned the right to speak out now and as an FYI he is related to someone very important in the current government. 

Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship for 28 years instituted racist policies? The coalition promised a different approach. What they are doing is not a different approach. This is why they are being criticized. We expected different. If we are superceding an "Indo supremacy " party by a Afro supremacy party then this does not solve the problem. Instead, as we see happening here, it hardens people position and attitudes and provides no hope for the future. The next government that comes in, if there is change in government in the future will use these actions of the present government to do the same thing. When does it stop? There is Indo and Afro racism in Guyana as there is racism in all countries.we have all experienced this racism and sometimes it colours the way we view the world. We hope that it makes us better people. Denying any racism does not solve it. Neither does saying tit for tat.

And where was your voice in 1961 when the PPP became an Indosupremacist party.  It was the PPP which introduced racism in governance!

  

You will NOT get away with pretending as if the PNC invented racism in Guyana.

 

Go find some one else to cry your "baad black man....good Indian" rant to!

 

 

You cannot condemn PPP racism so you have no moral authority to complain about APNU/AFC.

 

What bothers you isn't racism, because you cannot even bring yourself to admit to the PPPs role in this.

 

Your issue is that YOU as an Indian might be impacted, but it didn't bother you a mere 6 months ago when the PPP was grinding down on blacks.

 

You are no Freddie K so don't even try that!  He can complain about PNC racism, as he was quite vocal about PPP racism.  I don't recall you saying ANYTHING about the blatantly racist nature of the PPP campaign.

Originally Posted by politikalamity:

I do know Gordon Forte and while we may or may not agree with everything he says, he is an honourable man. 

 

He is also of mixed race, and the entire family is very multicultural consisting of all the races in Guyana. 

 

He spoke out about PPP corruption and racism so I believe he has earned the right to speak out now and as an FYI he is related to someone very important in the current government. 

He can speak to PNC racism if indeed he spoke to PPP racism.

 

The rest of these clowns screamed racist to those of us who spoke of PPP racism.  Even as some said the most vile things about blacks, and others like Zed had NOTHING to say about their behavior.  Yet suddenly he pretends concern.

 

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
 

Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship for 28 years instituted racist policies? The coalition promised a different approach. What they are doing is not a different approach. This is why they are being criticized. We expected different. If we are superceding an "Indo supremacy " party by a Afro supremacy party then this does not solve the problem. Instead, as we see happening here, it hardens people position and attitudes and provides no hope for the future. The next government that comes in, if there is change in government in the future will use these actions of the present government to do the same thing. When does it stop? There is Indo and Afro racism in Guyana as there is racism in all countries.we have all experienced this racism and sometimes it colours the way we view the world. We hope that it makes us better people. Denying any racism does not solve it. Neither does saying tit for tat.

And where was your voice in 1961 when the PPP became an Indosupremacist party.  It was the PPP which introduced racism in governance!

  

You will NOT get away with pretending as if the PNC invented racism in Guyana.

 

Go find some one else to cry your "baad black man....good Indian" rant to!

 

 

You cannot condemn PPP racism so you have no moral authority to complain about APNU/AFC.

 

What bothers you isn't racism, because you cannot even bring yourself to admit to the PPPs role in this.

 

Your issue is that YOU as an Indian might be impacted, but it didn't bother you a mere 6 months ago when the PPP was grinding down on blacks.

 

You are no Freddie K so don't even try that!  He can complain about PNC racism, as he was quite vocal about PPP racism.  I don't recall you saying ANYTHING about the blatantly racist nature of the PPP campaign.

1. Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted racist policies for 28 years.

2. You are assuming that one has a voice only when it is posted on GNI what happens here is about narrative. You will never convince me and I will never convince you. 

3, for your information, racism in government was introduced prior to independence, by the colonialist even before slavery. Resulted in the death and marginalization of many of the native inhabitants

4. Are you able to condemn Afro racism? How do you know that I have not condemned racism in all its manifestations?  You try to intimidate others on this site with your post and unsupported statements. I will find you more credible if you post facts. Not that I expect to matter to you.

5. The PNC dictatorship. Following in the footsteps of its colonial masters who put it into power instituted racism in post colonial Guyana.

6. On what you base your assumption that I am Indian  or that I am worried that I will be impacted by the racism of this government. It might be news to you that there are people who believe in a higher moral purpose Instead of personal circumstances.

7. You like Freddie because he is a fraud. He is intellectually weak but he is your God so put mala around his neck.

8. Have never been afraid of the "bad black man" as you put it Because I am black. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! What I find difficult is people who think that their view of the world in the only correct one. My advice to you is read something on the formation of cognitive structure.

 

have a good evening. 

 

Originally Posted by Zed:

. . . The coalition promised a different approach. What they are doing is not a different approach. This is why they are being criticized. We expected different. If we are superceding an "Indo supremacy " party by a Afro supremacy party then this does not solve the problem. Instead, as we see happening here, it hardens people position and attitudes and provides no hope for the future. The next government that comes in, if there is change in government in the future will use these actions of the present government to do the same thing. When does it stop? There is Indo and Afro racism in Guyana as there is racism in all countries.we have all experienced this racism and sometimes it colours the way we view the world. We hope that it makes us better people. Denying any racism does not solve it. Neither does saying tit for tat.

Zed, it should be obvious to even the smallest child that the Guyana Times is on an ignoble, race-baiting campaign to frame every firing of any East Indian PPP crook or incompetent as coalition "ethnic cleansing" . . . of course ignoring all the Black crooks and incomptents hired by the PPP being shown the door

 

when challenged to document the PPP received wisdon of this systemic trampling of Indian Guyanese ambition and opportunity these past 2 months, y'all come up with comedy like Raj Singh, Sattaur and Alexei Ramotar

 

when the "ethnic cleansing" y'all barked about could not credibly be documented, y'all then retreated to inventing stupidness like Joe Harmon giving odious PNC "orders" to David Granger

 

if u fools knew anything about Granger's many, many years close working relationship with (his subordinate GDF officer) Harmon, the mendacity here would deserve deeper comment; but sheer desperation fueling cobraesque ignorance seems to have taken hold of you klowns, so i'll file it away in the shameless folder

 

please note that a family or close friend losing their cushy political appointee job is not "slash & burn" targeting Indians - some of y'all are motivated by this and nothing else; Get Over It!

 

further to what i said before regarding state board appointments and the like, these are early days yet . . . only a scamp or idiot pronounces on trends and outcomes in a 5K race when the starter's gun just fire

 

smfh

Originally Posted by Zed:
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1. Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted racist policies for 28 years.

2. You are assuming that one has a voice only when it is posted on GNI what happens here is about narrative. You will never convince me and I will never convince you. 

3, for your information, racism in government was introduced prior to independence, by the colonialist even before slavery. Resulted in the death and marginalization of many of the native inhabitants

4. Are you able to condemn Afro racism? How do you know that I have not condemned racism in all its manifestations?  You try to intimidate others on this site with your post and unsupported statements. I will find you more credible if you post facts. Not that I expect to matter to you.

5. The PNC dictatorship. Following in the footsteps of its colonial masters who put it into power instituted racism in post colonial Guyana.

6. On what you base your assumption that I am Indian  or that I am worried that I will be impacted by the racism of this government. It might be news to you that there are people who believe in a higher moral purpose Instead of personal circumstances.

7. You like Freddie because he is a fraud. He is intellectually weak but he is your God so put mala around his neck.

8. Have never been afraid of the "bad black man" as you put it Because I am black. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! What I find difficult is people who think that their view of the world in the only correct one. My advice to you is read something on the formation of cognitive structure.

 

have a good evening. 

 

You didn't answer my question about what did you do in 1961 when  it was the PPP which STARTED racist governance in Guyana.  You see you cannot even bring yourself to admit to that fact.  All that motivates you is what the PNC does.

 

FACT.  Eusi Kwayana, a man of strong integrity, who has spoken out against the racisms of BOTH the PPP and the Burnham era PNC had to LEAVE the PPP as it became an Indo supremacist party.  And that is HIS WORDS.

 

But you jump from the colonial era, straight to the Burnham ere, and jump over the Jagdeo/Ramotar era, because, as usual the onus must be on the Afro Guyanese to be fair.  Indo Guyanese, in YOUR world have no obligation.  So we can FORGET to condemn ethnic exclusion when it occurs under the PPP, or more usually attack people like me when I bring it up.

 

Have you attacked baseman, ramakant and others for their blatantly racist attitudes?  Of course not.

 

Well those who said nothing about PPP racism have NOTHING to say at this time.

 

You can condemn Freddie K all you wish, and for that matter you can also condemn Nigel Hughes, who was quite vocal about the PPP and its treatment of Africans.  THESE are the people who I will listen to when it comes to whether APNU is being racially exclusionary or not.

 

NOT hypocrites like YOU!

 

 

 

.And you can claim what ever race you wish to, but this doesn't change the facts.

Originally Posted by redux:
 does not solve it. Neither does saying tit for tat.

Zed, it should be obvious to even the smallest child that the Guyana Times is on an ignoble, race-baiting campaign to frame every firing of any East Indian PPP crook or incompetent as coalition "ethnic cleansing" . . . of course ignoring all the Black crooks and incomptents hired by the PPP being shown the door

 

 

smfh

If he was truly interested in valid fairness he would have noticed that.

 

1.  Did Guyana Times show any interest when the leadership of their boards was as ethnically imbalanced as they are claiming that APNU/AFC is now being?  NO!

 

2.  Did he not notice the role that the Guyana Times played in what was the most racist campaign in Guyana since 1964 with the PPP and the PPP ONLY being guilty of this.  NO!

 

4.  Is he not noticing that the same Guyana Times is playing a racial card to avoid the fact that incompetent and corrupt people, who happen to be Indian, led almost all of the gov't entities, and must now be investigated. NO!

 

But he roundly endorses their latest scam.

 

I repeat.  Those who spoke out against PPP racism have the moral authority to speak against any racism from APNU/AFC, and I hope that they do.

 

Those who had nothing to say about PPP racism do not have the moral authority to broach this subject.

 
 

7. You like Freddie because he is a fraud. He is intellectually weak but he is your God so put mala around his neck.

 

And yes Zed I noted this bit about the mala around Freddie's neck.  Now how many Afro Guyanese have this custom of doing so, so why would you suggest that I would do this?

 

I have my suspicions about a claim that you made, and its a pity that you must lie.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Could someone post the names of the appointees?

National Investment and Commercial Investment Ltd. (NICIL) Chairman Winiston Jordan

Guyana Revenue Authority--Chairman Rawle Lucas

National Procurement and Tender Administration Board – Chairman, Claude Brooks
National Drainage and Irrigation Authority- Chairman, John Piggott
The Privatisation Board- Chairman, Minister Winston Jordan
Property Holdings Inc.- Chairman, Hughley Nelson
Bureau of Statistics –Chairman,Winston Jordan
Guyana Oil Company Limited- Chairman, Lance Carberry
Atlantic Hotel Inc. (AHI)- Chairperson, Beverley Harper
National Insurance Scheme- Chairman, Dr. Surendra Persaud
The Lottery Control Commission- Chairman, Minister Raphael Trotman
Guyana Office For Investment – Chairman, Minister Dominic Gaskin
Guyana Sugar Corporation- Chairman, Dr. Clive Thomas
Skeldon Electricity Inc.- Chairman, Lloyd Rose
Guyana Securities Council- Chairman,Keith Cholmondeley
Customs Tariff Tribunal –Chairman,Sattaur Gafoor
Investment Promotion Council- Chairman, Derrick Cummings
Guyana National Shipping Corporation- Chairman,Keith Cholmondeley
Bank of Guyana- Chairman, Dr. Gobind Ganga
Income Tax Board Review- Chairman, Basil Joseph
VAT Appeal Tribunal- Chairperson, Tracey Gibson
Dependents’ Pension Fund – Chairman, Colonel Jawahar Persaud
Guyana Marketing Corporation- Chairperson, Michelle Johnson
Guyana Livestock Development Authority –Chairman, Patrick De Groot
Mahaica-Mahaicony-Abary Agricultural Development Authority- Chairman, Dr. Kenneth Sealey
National Agriculture Research & Extension Institute –Chairman, Major General (Ret’d) Joe Singh
Guyana School of Agriculture – Chairman, Olato Sam
Pesticides and Toxic Chemical Control Board- Chairman, Dr. Leslie Munroe
Mards Rice Milling Complex- Chairman, Abel Seetaram
Hope Coconut Industries Limited- Chairman, Dr. Iamei Omwati
Guyana Fisheries Limited – Chairman, Dr. Reuben Charles
National Cane Farming Committee- Chairman, Roy Hanoman
Fisheries Advisory Committee- Chairman, Reuben Charles
Veterinary Board of Guyana- Chairman, Dr. Colbert Bowen

 

Mits

I pull this from one of the news papers last

night.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by VVP:
.  I never defended the PPP not employing high ranking Africans LIAR!

Did you condemn it?  Bet you not.  Failure to condemn implies that you support it.  Silence=consent, so if you didn't voice your disapproval of PPP racism then why suddenly you find voice?

So caribny, you were in the front line condemning the PNC racism before 1992 correct?  Or dat was too lang time back?

Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Zed:

. . . The coalition promised a different approach. What they are doing is not a different approach. This is why they are being criticized. We expected different. If we are superceding an "Indo supremacy " party by a Afro supremacy party then this does not solve the problem. Instead, as we see happening here, it hardens people position and attitudes and provides no hope for the future. The next government that comes in, if there is change in government in the future will use these actions of the present government to do the same thing. When does it stop? There is Indo and Afro racism in Guyana as there is racism in all countries.we have all experienced this racism and sometimes it colours the way we view the world. We hope that it makes us better people. Denying any racism does not solve it. Neither does saying tit for tat.

Zed, it should be obvious to even the smallest child that the Guyana Times is on an ignoble, race-baiting campaign to frame every firing of any East Indian PPP crook or incompetent as coalition "ethnic cleansing" . . . of course ignoring all the Black crooks and incomptents hired by the PPP being shown the door

 

when challenged to document the PPP received wisdon of this systemic trampling of Indian Guyanese ambition and opportunity these past 2 months, y'all come up with comedy like Raj Singh, Sattaur and Alexei Ramotar

 

when the "ethnic cleansing" y'all barked about could not credibly be documented, y'all then retreated to inventing stupidness like Joe Harmon giving odious PNC "orders" to David Granger

 

if u fools knew anything about Granger's many, many years close working relationship with (his subordinate GDF officer) Harmon, the mendacity here would deserve deeper comment; but sheer desperation fueling cobraesque ignorance seems to have taken hold of you klowns, so i'll file it away in the shameless folder

 

please note that a family or close friend losing their cushy political appointee job is not "slash & burn" targeting Indians - some of y'all are motivated by this and nothing else; Get Over It!

 

further to what i said before regarding state board appointments and the like, these are early days yet . . . only a scamp or idiot pronounces on trends and outcomes in a 5K race when the starter's gun just fire

 

smfh

Please check any of my posts since I became a member whether I wrote about the likes of Raj Singh, or any of the other names mentioned or about ethnic cleansing. please reread my posts and point to any that was inappropriate. 

regarding the issue, please posit any explanation you have for the disproportionate ethnicity what we see in appointees to the boards. Let us hope that more of this will not be what we see in the future. 

This is not about fear of losing job or having relatives who might lose job, or be negatively affected by the policies of the present government. It is about moving forward, a new way of doing things. You are correct, I do not know Granger or for that matter any of the members of the government. But. I hoped for change, finally out of the morass the country was in or heading in. another issue is about when is the honeymoon period over. I have never subscribed to this concept of a honeymoon period. Something wrong is something is something wrong and must be addressed. Al least it serves notice that better was expected. 

Originally Posted by caribny:
 
 

7. You like Freddie because he is a fraud. He is intellectually weak but he is your God so put mala around his neck.

 

And yes Zed I noted this bit about the mala around Freddie's neck.  Now how many Afro Guyanese have this custom of doing so, so why would you suggest that I would do this?

 

I have my suspicions about a claim that you made, and its a pity that you must lie.

If you think I lied about something, anytime you want to get into it, please let me know. Might this be because I do not know who you are and use an easily recognized way of noting reverence and worshipin Guyana. 

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
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1. Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted racist policies for 28 years.

2. You are assuming that one has a voice only when it is posted on GNI what happens here is about narrative. You will never convince me and I will never convince you. 

3, for your information, racism in government was introduced prior to independence, by the colonialist even before slavery. Resulted in the death and marginalization of many of the native inhabitants

4. Are you able to condemn Afro racism? How do you know that I have not condemned racism in all its manifestations?  You try to intimidate others on this site with your post and unsupported statements. I will find you more credible if you post facts. Not that I expect to matter to you.

5. The PNC dictatorship. Following in the footsteps of its colonial masters who put it into power instituted racism in post colonial Guyana.

6. On what you base your assumption that I am Indian  or that I am worried that I will be impacted by the racism of this government. It might be news to you that there are people who believe in a higher moral purpose Instead of personal circumstances.

7. You like Freddie because he is a fraud. He is intellectually weak but he is your God so put mala around his neck.

8. Have never been afraid of the "bad black man" as you put it Because I am black. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! What I find difficult is people who think that their view of the world in the only correct one. My advice to you is read something on the formation of cognitive structure.

 

have a good evening. 

 

You didn't answer my question about what did you do in 1961 when  it was the PPP which STARTED racist governance in Guyana.  You see you cannot even bring yourself to admit to that fact.  All that motivates you is what the PNC does.

 

FACT.  Eusi Kwayana, a man of strong integrity, who has spoken out against the racisms of BOTH the PPP and the Burnham era PNC had to LEAVE the PPP as it became an Indo supremacist party.  And that is HIS WORDS.

 

But you jump from the colonial era, straight to the Burnham ere, and jump over the Jagdeo/Ramotar era, because, as usual the onus must be on the Afro Guyanese to be fair.  Indo Guyanese, in YOUR world have no obligation.  So we can FORGET to condemn ethnic exclusion when it occurs under the PPP, or more usually attack people like me when I bring it up.

 

Have you attacked baseman, ramakant and others for their blatantly racist attitudes?  Of course not.

 

Well those who said nothing about PPP racism have NOTHING to say at this time.

 

You can condemn Freddie K all you wish, and for that matter you can also condemn Nigel Hughes, who was quite vocal about the PPP and its treatment of Africans.  THESE are the people who I will listen to when it comes to whether APNU is being racially exclusionary or not.

 

NOT hypocrites like YOU!

 

 

 

.And you can claim what ever race you wish to, but this doesn't change the facts.

This is the longest I have stayed on a post because I try to stay away from the name dalling and races baiting and racial nonsense I see on many threads. There is often much of this on both sides. I have already posted about how I feel about people participating in these.

look, how are we going to change the future if we do not change what we do now? The future is conditioned by what we have done in the paSt Nd what we currently do. Well, we cannot change the past, but we can change what we will do in the future and what we are now doing. criticism is levelled because of the perceived imbalance in the appointments. The, explain it away. Don't insult my intelligence by implying or stating that because the PPP did it, it is ok for the new government to do it or that one cannot criticize now if one did not criticize before. i know Eusi before he was Eusi, for your info so don't think that I am a lil boy And know nothing.

 

please go over the history of Guyana. First, there wa the colonial period then the pnc dictatorship then the jagan then jagdeo and rambutan periods with Sam hinds some in there.

 

You did not answer my question- where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted tacist policies for 28 years?

 

i am travelling today so cannot get back to you until late evening.

Originally Posted by Django:
Originally Posted by Mitwah:

Could someone post the names of the appointees?

National Investment and Commercial Investment Ltd. (NICIL) Chairman Winiston Jordan

Guyana Revenue Authority--Chairman Rawle Lucas

National Procurement and Tender Administration Board – Chairman, Claude Brooks
National Drainage and Irrigation Authority- Chairman, John Piggott
The Privatisation Board- Chairman, Minister Winston Jordan
Property Holdings Inc.- Chairman, Hughley Nelson
Bureau of Statistics –Chairman,Winston Jordan
Guyana Oil Company Limited- Chairman, Lance Carberry
Atlantic Hotel Inc. (AHI)- Chairperson, Beverley Harper
National Insurance Scheme- Chairman, Dr. Surendra Persaud
The Lottery Control Commission- Chairman, Minister Raphael Trotman
Guyana Office For Investment – Chairman, Minister Dominic Gaskin
Guyana Sugar Corporation- Chairman, Dr. Clive Thomas
Skeldon Electricity Inc.- Chairman, Lloyd Rose
Guyana Securities Council- Chairman,Keith Cholmondeley
Customs Tariff Tribunal –Chairman,Sattaur Gafoor
Investment Promotion Council- Chairman, Derrick Cummings
Guyana National Shipping Corporation- Chairman,Keith Cholmondeley
Bank of Guyana- Chairman, Dr. Gobind Ganga
Income Tax Board Review- Chairman, Basil Joseph
VAT Appeal Tribunal- Chairperson, Tracey Gibson
Dependents’ Pension Fund – Chairman, Colonel Jawahar Persaud
Guyana Marketing Corporation- Chairperson, Michelle Johnson
Guyana Livestock Development Authority –Chairman, Patrick De Groot
Mahaica-Mahaicony-Abary Agricultural Development Authority- Chairman, Dr. Kenneth Sealey
National Agriculture Research & Extension Institute –Chairman, Major General (Ret’d) Joe Singh
Guyana School of Agriculture – Chairman, Olato Sam
Pesticides and Toxic Chemical Control Board- Chairman, Dr. Leslie Munroe
Mards Rice Milling Complex- Chairman, Abel Seetaram
Hope Coconut Industries Limited- Chairman, Dr. Iamei Omwati
Guyana Fisheries Limited – Chairman, Dr. Reuben Charles
National Cane Farming Committee- Chairman, Roy Hanoman
Fisheries Advisory Committee- Chairman, Reuben Charles
Veterinary Board of Guyana- Chairman, Dr. Colbert Bowen

 

Mits

I pull this from one of the news papers last

night.

Thanks.

 

Caribj, where are the women?

Originally Posted by Zed:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Zed:
.

1. Still did not answer my question - where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted racist policies for 28 years.

2. You are assuming that one has a voice only when it is posted on GNI what happens here is about narrative. You will never convince me and I will never convince you. 

3, for your information, racism in government was introduced prior to independence, by the colonialist even before slavery. Resulted in the death and marginalization of many of the native inhabitants

4. Are you able to condemn Afro racism? How do you know that I have not condemned racism in all its manifestations?  You try to intimidate others on this site with your post and unsupported statements. I will find you more credible if you post facts. Not that I expect to matter to you.

5. The PNC dictatorship. Following in the footsteps of its colonial masters who put it into power instituted racism in post colonial Guyana.

6. On what you base your assumption that I am Indian  or that I am worried that I will be impacted by the racism of this government. It might be news to you that there are people who believe in a higher moral purpose Instead of personal circumstances.

7. You like Freddie because he is a fraud. He is intellectually weak but he is your God so put mala around his neck.

8. Have never been afraid of the "bad black man" as you put it Because I am black. Put that in your pipe and smoke it! What I find difficult is people who think that their view of the world in the only correct one. My advice to you is read something on the formation of cognitive structure.

 

have a good evening. 

 

You didn't answer my question about what did you do in 1961 when  it was the PPP which STARTED racist governance in Guyana.  You see you cannot even bring yourself to admit to that fact.  All that motivates you is what the PNC does.

 

FACT.  Eusi Kwayana, a man of strong integrity, who has spoken out against the racisms of BOTH the PPP and the Burnham era PNC had to LEAVE the PPP as it became an Indo supremacist party.  And that is HIS WORDS.

 

But you jump from the colonial era, straight to the Burnham ere, and jump over the Jagdeo/Ramotar era, because, as usual the onus must be on the Afro Guyanese to be fair.  Indo Guyanese, in YOUR world have no obligation.  So we can FORGET to condemn ethnic exclusion when it occurs under the PPP, or more usually attack people like me when I bring it up.

 

Have you attacked baseman, ramakant and others for their blatantly racist attitudes?  Of course not.

 

Well those who said nothing about PPP racism have NOTHING to say at this time.

 

You can condemn Freddie K all you wish, and for that matter you can also condemn Nigel Hughes, who was quite vocal about the PPP and its treatment of Africans.  THESE are the people who I will listen to when it comes to whether APNU is being racially exclusionary or not.

 

NOT hypocrites like YOU!

 

 

 

.And you can claim what ever race you wish to, but this doesn't change the facts.

This is the longest I have stayed on a post because I try to stay away from the name dalling and races baiting and racial nonsense I see on many threads. There is often much of this on both sides. I have already posted about how I feel about people participating in these.

look, how are we going to change the future if we do not change what we do now? The future is conditioned by what we have done in the paSt Nd what we currently do. Well, we cannot change the past, but we can change what we will do in the future and what we are now doing. criticism is levelled because of the perceived imbalance in the appointments. The, explain it away. Don't insult my intelligence by implying or stating that because the PPP did it, it is ok for the new government to do it or that one cannot criticize now if one did not criticize before. i know Eusi before he was Eusi, for your info so don't think that I am a lil boy And know nothing.

 

please go over the history of Guyana. First, there wa the colonial period then the pnc dictatorship then the jagan then jagdeo and rambutan periods with Sam hinds some in there.

 

You did not answer my question- where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted tacist policies for 28 years?

 

i am travelling today so cannot get back to you until late evening.

He would not answer your questions. He would go off at a tangent and create his own racist argument to lead you away. He is a congenital racist. He never condemned the PNC racism. He is a slave to his racist mentality.

Originally Posted by VVP:
 

So caribny, you were in the front line condemning the PNC racism before 1992 correct?  Or dat was too lang time back?

You were busy calling me a racist when I said that the PPP was racist.  Now that APNU is behaving like wise what reasons do you have to be angry with them? They are doing what the PPP did and are engaging in levels of ethnic exclusion, though less so as the PPP only had TWO blacks.

 

So if racism was OK under the PPP why do you suddenly find it wrong under APNU?

 

The PPP couldn't find "qualified blacks", and you believed them, so now the APNU can only find a few "qualified Indians".

 

Those who condemned the PPP for their behavior towards blacks can opine on this.  YOU aren't part of that group!

Originally Posted by Zed:
 

You did not answer my question- where was your voice when the PNC dictatorship instituted tacist policies for 28 years?

 

i am travelling today so cannot get back to you until late evening.

I will answer that question when you answer mine.  Where were YOU when the PPP INTRODUCED racism in Guyanese politics, forcing blacks like Eusi t leave.  This occurred in 1961 BEFORE Burnham came to power.  Yet you refuse to discuss this.

 

 

You revealed that you are older than I am and yet want to avoid the reasons why Eusi left the PPP.  He wrote a whole book called "No Guilty Race".

 

Janet Jagan set the precedent of introducing race into Guyanese politics.

 

I am falling out with laughter at the fact that you REFUSE to engage baseman as he pours out daily bile against blacks.  You similarly refuse to engage Ramakant.

 

Sorry NONE of you have the moral authority to complain if APNU does what the PPP did.

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
 

He would not answer your questions. He would go off at a tangent and create his own racist argument to lead you away. He is a congenital racist. He never condemned the PNC racism. He is a slave to his racist mentality.

So Mitwah what is your Lord Moses doing?

 

And I said on many occasions how racist Burnham was.  You on the other hand did NOT condemn PPP racism until it became politically expedient for you to do so.

 

You call me a racist/  Why?  Because I condemned PPP treatment of blacks, and you like most Indians on GNI, do not want ANY discussion of Indian racism.

 

So go and join the PPP now!

Originally Posted by Zed:
ver the history of Guyana. First, there wa the colonial period then the pnc dictatorship then the jagan then jagdeo and rambutan periods with Sam hinds some in there.

 

YOU need to go over Guyanese history.  The PPP ruled Guyana from 1957 to 1964.  They introduced the apan jhat factor and began to alienate Africans.

 

But only Africans must be blamed for racism in Guyana.  You see the PPP was racist and you said NOTHING, and now suddenly find your voice when APNU engages in the same thing.

 

You have NO MORAL RIGHT TO COMPLAIN because you were perfectly happy with how the PPP treated blacks!

 

You condemn Freddie K who had the integrity to confront the PPP in how it treated Africans, and then he was persecuted by Indians, because he was seen as BETRAYING Indians.  He can talk to this, as he has in interest in ethnic inclusion.

 

Those who found talk of ethnic exclusion to be boring when the PPP was in power, are HYPOCRITES to be running their mouths now!

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