Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 
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This will end when Peter is made to pay for Paul. Should Germany and other countries where these attacks occur, decide to round these people up and place them in their own area as done with the Japanese during the war,then the BS would stop.

caribny posted:

And do you know whether this was inspired by religion, or whether it was a refugee who was undergoing PTSD, which many of them have because of the conditions in Syria?

Matters not. What matters is the fact that these lunatics are killing people and destroying their countries, time to step up the war against them.

It's difficult to define the "them" that has to be fought. The "them" are those cells in Europe mostly (and particularly in Belgium and France), and the lone wolves inspired by some form of radical jihadi propaganda though they are mentally disturbed to start with and most with criminal backgrounds.

There is no doubt that if ISIS were to be wiped off the face of the earth today than the incentives for both the cells and lone wolves would be tremendously reduced. The question is how do we fight his other "them".

There are two principles in the goal of making ISIS history: One is to get the Arabs to do the fighting; and two, have an outcome that would not result in a bloodbath or despotic government following ISIS being consigned to the dust bins of history.

This is easily solvable if the US wants to be a colonial force for the foreseeable future at the cost of billions of dollars, lives and attacks on the homeland or our assets abroad. Maybe this is what da Cainsta has in mind when he speaks of "time to step up the war against them".

Nah suh? Or maybe Trump's magic will solve everything at no cost of lives, $$$ or attacks against the persons of America traveling abroad.

ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Likely an ISIS plant who was denied asylum and did his deed before being deported.  He seems to be trained in suicide bomb and had bigger plans had he gained full entry.  Once denied, these people should be placed in holding camps for repatriation.  

This is what I cannot understand. Where the hell does one go when they "suddenly" decide to bomb themselves and others? Is there an outlet for such like a seven eleven perhaps? A dollar store where you can get it much cheaper only drawback if you had second thoughts...these come with a shorter fuse.

These people are obviously trained and programmed to carry out these deeds.

cain posted:

This is what I cannot understand. Where the hell does one go when they "suddenly" decide to bomb themselves and others? Is there an outlet for such like a seven eleven perhaps? A dollar store where you can get it much cheaper only drawback if you had second thoughts...these come with a shorter fuse.

These people are obviously trained and programmed to carry out these deeds.

The fact that he was able to pull together that bomb means he has support so you can expect more Islamic Terrorism to occur before the Liberal German catch themselves and see the light, as Trump has!!

Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Maybe if you look closely you would see. The Islamic world is crumbling before your eyes as factions canalize itself. The idiots doing the above say they do it in the name of islam. Also, that is this definitive islamic principle/doctrine you speak of?  Every mullah seem to have a version.

By the way, america is a secular nation. No where in its founding documents are mentions of Christianity being its founding principle.

Kari posted:

 

There is no doubt that if ISIS were to be wiped off the face of the earth today than the incentives for both the cells and lone wolves would be tremendously reduced. The question is how do we fight his other "them".

 

Folks said that about Al Qaeda and groups before.

There are seriously pathologically insane lunatics who are willing to use Islam as their shield to further their goals. Given credibility by the fact that the Saudis have conned the rest of the Muslim world in accepting their tribal values.

Once these charlatans are given space by Islam to peddle their poison, some other group will emerge if ISIS is destroyed.  Look at Al Qaeda, weakened and yet Jihadist ideology is still as vibrant as ever.

They claim that 40% of the Muslim converts in France have been radicalized.  Why do they pick Islam to peddle their manic behavior, and not the Catholic church where most of them were baptized in? Why is jail such a valuable recruiting place for these folks? What is it about Islam that attracts these people?

 

Stormborn posted:
Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Maybe if you look closely you would see. The Islamic world is crumbling before your eyes as factions canalize itself. The idiots doing the above say they do it in the name of islam. Also, that is this definitive islamic principle/doctrine you speak of?  Every mullah seem to have a version.

By the way, america is a secular nation. No where in its founding documents are mentions of Christianity being its founding principle.

Maybe we are reading from different news sources; were there any claims by the perpetrator(s) of this incident in Germany that their action(s) were based on Islam ? As I pointed out and as you no doubt know, George Bush specifically used the term 'crusade' to describe the invasion of Iraq and killing of more than one million Iraqis. Why was this not boldly called out as 'Christian Terrorism' ?  Can you point us to any statement or claim by the bomber that his action was taken in the name of Islam ?  

Keffer posted:
Stormborn posted:
Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Maybe if you look closely you would see. The Islamic world is crumbling before your eyes as factions canalize itself. The idiots doing the above say they do it in the name of islam. Also, that is this definitive islamic principle/doctrine you speak of?  Every mullah seem to have a version.

By the way, america is a secular nation. No where in its founding documents are mentions of Christianity being its founding principle.

Maybe we are reading from different news sources; were there any claims by the perpetrator(s) of this incident in Germany that their action(s) were based on Islam ? As I pointed out and as you no doubt know, George Bush specifically used the term 'crusade' to describe the invasion of Iraq and killing of more than one million Iraqis. Why was this not boldly called out as 'Christian Terrorism' ?  Can you point us to any statement or claim by the bomber that his action was taken in the name of Islam ?  

You are missing my point....I am suggesting you pretend you know what is islam. I do not know of any officiating body that says that this is what is islam by consensus. I know in Saudi Arabia they have their view as does the Iranians as does the Jordanians and then we have Sunnis of Iraq metamorphosing into ISIS with their own apocalyptic vision.  I do not have to mention the blind idiot Mullah Omar and his Al Queda expression ot the revivalist version of it in the brotherhood that give us the Taliban.

Do not be an idiot. The modern meaning of the word "crusade" does not mean a christian army on the warpath. It means a force seeking retribution for ills at the hands of others and has no referent in religion. Do not conflate an ancient meaning with a modern one. Also, except in the minds of a few fundamentalist rapture ready fools. America is not christian. It is a plurality by definition from its federalist construct that devolved power to local people to  its declaration of faith that all men are created equal. Where is that in a typical Muslim state?

In any event, were I born in the middle ages I would gladly be on a crusade. Who the hell tell the Muslims to invade Jerusalem? It was not their holy place except in some night travel mentioned by the prophet. It was the real life historical ground of Jews and later Christians. Yes in both sense you miss the point and assume a wrong that does not exist for Muslims but people being invaded or abused.

 

Keffer posted:
cain posted:

We're the good guys, that's it!

Let's hope so. You do know the saying that payback is a bitch, eh!

Yes we are the good guys, the hope for a future of humanity and not the dogmatic slaves to a religion steeped in rituals and unable to create nurturing ground for any but its own.

We are the good guys because our default condition is to accept you as you are. When we leave this place for the stars as we inevitably must if we are to survive, it is here in western religious pluralism and secular humanism world we will find the motivating influence.

It definitely will not come from  useless isolating rituals and the presumption that others are lesser than.

caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

Likely an ISIS plant who was denied asylum

You don't know this for a fact.  What a bigot you seem to love being.

I hope that you know that you aren't an Aryan so Herr Trump and his white supremacist buddies are just using you.

Shut you rass, for you, if it doesn't come from the "snout" of Caribj, it does not come.  Go to hell you fool!!  I don't need some culturally lost clown like you to tell you what I am or not!  What I know, I escaped "your" people's tyranny in Guyana, that's a fact for sure.  Go to hell!!

Stormborn posted:
Keffer posted:
Stormborn posted:
Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Maybe if you look closely you would see. The Islamic world is crumbling before your eyes as factions canalize itself. The idiots doing the above say they do it in the name of islam. Also, that is this definitive islamic principle/doctrine you speak of?  Every mullah seem to have a version.

By the way, america is a secular nation. No where in its founding documents are mentions of Christianity being its founding principle.

Maybe we are reading from different news sources; were there any claims by the perpetrator(s) of this incident in Germany that their action(s) were based on Islam ? As I pointed out and as you no doubt know, George Bush specifically used the term 'crusade' to describe the invasion of Iraq and killing of more than one million Iraqis. Why was this not boldly called out as 'Christian Terrorism' ?  Can you point us to any statement or claim by the bomber that his action was taken in the name of Islam ?  

You are missing my point....I am suggesting you pretend you know what is islam. I do not know of any officiating body that says that this is what is islam by consensus. I know in Saudi Arabia they have their view as does the Iranians as does the Jordanians and then we have Sunnis of Iraq metamorphosing into ISIS with their own apocalyptic vision.  I do not have to mention the blind idiot Mullah Omar and his Al Queda expression ot the revivalist version of it in the brotherhood that give us the Taliban.

Do not be an idiot. The modern meaning of the word "crusade" does not mean a christian army on the warpath. It means a force seeking retribution for ills at the hands of others and has no referent in religion. Do not conflate an ancient meaning with a modern one. Also, except in the minds of a few fundamentalist rapture ready fools. America is not christian. It is a plurality by definition from its federalist construct that devolved power to local people to  its declaration of faith that all men are created equal. Where is that in a typical Muslim state?

In any event, were I born in the middle ages I would gladly be on a crusade. Who the hell tell the Muslims to invade Jerusalem? It was not their holy place except in some night travel mentioned by the prophet. It was the real life historical ground of Jews and later Christians. Yes in both sense you miss the point and assume a wrong that does not exist for Muslims but people being invaded or abused.

 

Dumbass, there is no need to go back top the middle ages; the issues to be resolved are current; present day ! Idiots like you seem to think that only your interests count and consequently 'to hell with everyone else' ! Bush openly professed his Christian conviction time and again and you damn well know that ! The point I was I was making, and which you are too stupid to comprehend, is that the white Christian nations continue to take military advantage over others primarily to rob them of their resources; this is what colonialism was about and in this regard some serious reading should help you to understand the root causes of many of the world's present day issues. What good reasons are there for USA to have 5800 employees in their embassy in Baghdad ? What do you know about Mullah Omar, Taliban and all the other 'evil forces' that are thorns in the sides of USA and its cohorts ? Who created Taliban and why ? Who created Al Qaeda and why ? Whose friend was Bin Ladin ?Too many of you are so quick to jump on the 'bandwagon' because you believe this will make you 'fit in'. The sad reality is, however, is that you do not realize how asinine your statements are ! Instead of making the assumption that CNN is paragon of truth, travel to some of these countries and speak to people there, the same people you 'know it all' ignoramuses seem to despise and you will quickly begin to understand that the world if a whole lot different from what you presently perceive it to be. Travel to some of these places and talk to the ordinary people; what you hear will bring you into the real world ...and should help you decrease your ego and ignorance ! 

Keffer posted:
Stormborn posted:
Keffer posted:
Stormborn posted:
Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Maybe if you look closely you would see. The Islamic world is crumbling before your eyes as factions canalize itself. The idiots doing the above say they do it in the name of islam. Also, that is this definitive islamic principle/doctrine you speak of?  Every mullah seem to have a version.

By the way, america is a secular nation. No where in its founding documents are mentions of Christianity being its founding principle.

Maybe we are reading from different news sources; were there any claims by the perpetrator(s) of this incident in Germany that their action(s) were based on Islam ? As I pointed out and as you no doubt know, George Bush specifically used the term 'crusade' to describe the invasion of Iraq and killing of more than one million Iraqis. Why was this not boldly called out as 'Christian Terrorism' ?  Can you point us to any statement or claim by the bomber that his action was taken in the name of Islam ?  

You are missing my point....I am suggesting you pretend you know what is islam. I do not know of any officiating body that says that this is what is islam by consensus. I know in Saudi Arabia they have their view as does the Iranians as does the Jordanians and then we have Sunnis of Iraq metamorphosing into ISIS with their own apocalyptic vision.  I do not have to mention the blind idiot Mullah Omar and his Al Queda expression ot the revivalist version of it in the brotherhood that give us the Taliban.

Do not be an idiot. The modern meaning of the word "crusade" does not mean a christian army on the warpath. It means a force seeking retribution for ills at the hands of others and has no referent in religion. Do not conflate an ancient meaning with a modern one. Also, except in the minds of a few fundamentalist rapture ready fools. America is not christian. It is a plurality by definition from its federalist construct that devolved power to local people to  its declaration of faith that all men are created equal. Where is that in a typical Muslim state?

In any event, were I born in the middle ages I would gladly be on a crusade. Who the hell tell the Muslims to invade Jerusalem? It was not their holy place except in some night travel mentioned by the prophet. It was the real life historical ground of Jews and later Christians. Yes in both sense you miss the point and assume a wrong that does not exist for Muslims but people being invaded or abused.

 

Dumbass, there is no need to go back top the middle ages; the issues to be resolved are current; present day ! Idiots like you seem to think that only your interests count and consequently 'to hell with everyone else' ! Bush openly professed his Christian conviction time and again and you damn well know that!

The point I was I was making, and which you are too stupid to comprehend, is that the white Christian nations continue to take military advantage over others primarily to rob them of their resources; this is what colonialism was about and in this regard some serious reading should help you to understand the root causes of many of the world's present day issues.

What good reasons are there for USA to have 5800 employees in their embassy in Baghdad ? What do you know about Mullah Omar, Taliban and all the other 'evil forces' that are thorns in the sides of USA and its cohorts ? Who created Taliban and why ?

Who created Al Qaeda and why ? Whose friend was Bin Ladin ?Too many of you are so quick to jump on the 'bandwagon' because you believe this will make you 'fit in'. The sad reality is, however, is that you do not realize how asinine your statements are ! Instead of making the assumption that CNN is paragon of truth, travel to some of these countries and speak to people there, the same people you 'know it all' ignoramuses seem to despise and you will quickly begin to understand that the world if a whole lot different from what you presently perceive it to be.

Travel to some of these places and talk to the ordinary people; what you hear will bring you into the real world ...and should help you decrease your ego and ignorance ! 

Indeed the prevailing conditions are wrought of ignorance real, present and continuing. It does reaches back into the distant past because   degenerate mullah created creed presently appearing as death cults are revivalist medieval reaching back for some  quintessential pure Islam.As such it is fantasy.

I am an atheist and do not give a dam if bush claims he is christian. It was not a christian army in Baghdad but an american army and it may have been premised on poor themes but real and present ones existed and from where I stand that is all that matters.

I do not think Exon or BP  are christian agents. They are capitalists plain and simple. They pay a handsome fee for the access and the black stuff that comes out of the soil. It has made many of these states rich and the reason there are sky scrapers reaching to the sky. Note as they do this they  still subscribe to a backward superior creed that presently  have a million coolies and other East Asians in bondage.  The quintessential backwardness with respect to human rights that exists is essentially what is projected into the world.  I am still to get your point. If these are your disadvantaged people you think are robbed by Christians and is  the reason for the present death cult culture, you do not have a point.

 

You come with your own parochial understanding of the events and believe you are informing us of some hithertofore knowledge we missed because we are so stupid. Well, what you say is standard muslim apologetic. We heard the same a thousand times from every Muslim here at one time or another. Repeating the same lie will not make it a truth. America  did not create Al Queda or the Taliban or Al Shabab, or Boko Haram or any of the alphabet soup of degenerates around. Mullah Omar is just one of these blind bitches (real and metaphorical) that seeded this diseased form of political islam  Congressman Wilson facilitated the mujaheddin fight against the Russians and Ben Laden was there does not mean he formalized the creed in the mind of that blind idiot that the world and america was fair game to attack. Mullah Omar was a religious nutjob who formalized that on his own. 

Note Wilson helped them fight. The US walked away  because the fight was over. They could have built something worthy. Instead they created a dystopian regime where the evening spectacle was the beheading women for not wearing a burkha. And no, the awful anti life creed that is the Taliban is not a US creation except in idiots like you who refuse to accept Abu Quitb  Islamic revivalism in the madrasas of Pakistan  is the formal creative force here. Further, the reality is  when left alone that is what authoritarian religious regimes grow to be...become death cults.

What do you know who traveled where? I was there. I worked almost a year in that god forsaken region and  do not care ever to go back. The people are awful, the climate like a dragon fart and you can have it. Granted that was 30 years ago but no amount of gilding a camel turd will make me want to eat it. I am happen to be born in the lush green, where people can shake my hand and where women wear hot pants. That region has no lure for me. It is a parasitism at it best. Above the glitter is a mass of downtrodden slaves keeping everything afloat.

France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers'

 

An 84-year-old priest was killed and four other people taken hostage by two armed men who stormed his church in a suburb of Rouen in northern France.

The two attackers, who said they were from the so-called Islamic State (IS), slit Fr Jacques Hamel's throat during a morning Mass, officials say.

Police later surrounded the church, in St-Etienne-du-Rouvray, and shot dead both hostage-takers.

One of the hostages is in a critical condition in hospital.

President Francois Hollande, visiting the scene, said the attackers had committed a "cowardly assassination" and France would fight IS "by all means".

Pope Francis decried the "pain and horror of this absurd violence".

One attacker is reported to have been known to French police, and had tried to enter Syria last year.

One person has been arrested in connection with the attack, say French prosecutors.

Read more here

ba$eman posted:
  I don't need some culturally lost clown

Interesting.  I walk down the road and people, who don't know me, see a Caribbean man. I clearly project that I am a Caribbean person, PROUD of being a Caribbean person.

YOU and Prashad are the lost souls. Pining for an India that REJECTS you!   You are ashamed of being Indo Caribbean.

Keffer posted:
! Bush openly professed his Christian conviction time and again and you damn well know that ! The point I was I was making, and which you are too stupid to comprehend, is that the white Christian nations continue to take military advantage over others primarily to rob them of their resources;

For every Muslim who Bush killed other Muslims have killed thousands.  And they often use religious justification for doing so.  In addition Reagan used the Muslim militants as they both saw the USSR as their common enemy. He didn't create those fighting forces. 

The USSR left and Muslims fell upon each other, destroying Afghanistan and installing a horrendous hell hole, using religion as justification.

Are certain Muslims so weak that they can be manipulated by non Muslims, or do they also have geopolitical designs of their own, and brainwash confused people, and hijack a religion to do so?

OK since you crown the Europe and the USA as Christian nations.

1.  How come these Christians nations are tolerant enough to allow Muslims to conduct their religion with minimal interference?  Yet in most Muslim lands openly practicing Christianity is a death sentence with 9 of the 10 most dangerous countries to be a Christian being majority Muslim countries.

2.  How come millions of Muslims are desperately trying to flee to these Christian lands that they seem to think are safer than their own?

You think that you are defending Islam, but you aren't.  If you wanted a strong Islam you would be demanding that it guard its ranks against those like the Taliban who hijack it to justify their brutish conduct.

Stormborn posted:

France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers'

 

 

Not sent by ISIS from Iraq/Syria, but 2 confused French men who thought that they are carrying out the will of Allah.

Why do so many lunatics seek salvation in Islam is what Muslims ought to be asking.

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers'

 

 

Not sent by ISIS from Iraq/Syria, but 2 confused French men who thought that they are carrying out the will of Allah.

Why do so many lunatics seek salvation in Islam is what Muslims ought to be asking.

how you know this is what they thought?

RiffRaff posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers'

 

 

Not sent by ISIS from Iraq/Syria, but 2 confused French men who thought that they are carrying out the will of Allah.

Why do so many lunatics seek salvation in Islam is what Muslims ought to be asking.

how you know this is what they thought?

They stated that this was their intent. 

Riffraff, please stop deluding yourself that France isn't deluged with thousands of confused French boys, many converts, who think that this behavior wins them points into the Muslim heaven.

caribny posted:
Keffer posted:
! Bush openly professed his Christian conviction time and again and you damn well know that ! The point I was I was making, and which you are too stupid to comprehend, is that the white Christian nations continue to take military advantage over others primarily to rob them of their resources;

For every Muslim who Bush killed other Muslims have killed thousands.  And they often use religious justification for doing so.  In addition Reagan used the Muslim militants as they both saw the USSR as their common enemy. He didn't create those fighting forces. 

The USSR left and Muslims fell upon each other, destroying Afghanistan and installing a horrendous hell hole, using religion as justification.

Are certain Muslims so weak that they can be manipulated by non Muslims, or do they also have geopolitical designs of their own, and brainwash confused people, and hijack a religion to do so?

OK since you crown the Europe and the USA as Christian nations.

1.  How come these Christians nations are tolerant enough to allow Muslims to conduct their religion with minimal interference?  Yet in most Muslim lands openly practicing Christianity is a death sentence with 9 of the 10 most dangerous countries to be a Christian being majority Muslim countries.

2.  How come millions of Muslims are desperately trying to flee to these Christian lands that they seem to think are safer than their own?

You think that you are defending Islam, but you aren't.  If you wanted a strong Islam you would be demanding that it guard its ranks against those like the Taliban who hijack it to justify their brutish conduct.

Total bullshit; your reasoning is so superficial that your comments are laughable ! Have you ever been to Afghanistan and/or do you personally know or have spoken to any Afghans ? The US and its lackeys always finds 'reasons' to get involved in everyone's internal affairs. The trouble with people like you is that you are so gullible that you believe everything that your masters tell you. How magnanimous were the English and French to the peoples of Ghana, Nigeria, Niger, Burkina Faso etc. Look at what they did in East Africa !

How many Muslim countries have you been to ? I challenge you to 1) name the Muslim countries that prohibit Christians from worshipping there and 2) provide evidence to support your claim that practice of Christianity in those countries carries a death sentence. 

Many Muslims have indeed fled their homelands. The question is why ! Have you ever thought of what the likes of England, USA, France, Spain and Portugal have done in and to the numerous 'colonies' that they previously had and controlled. The British seized and controlled India for > 150 years ! Furthermore, the Indians eventually had to ask for 'independence' ! Do you know or remember what Churchill called Gandhi ? Have you any idea what France did to Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and several west African countries ? To this day the small North Africans who were allowed to re-locate to France are treated like garbage ! Have you ever wondered why they frequently resort to criminal behavior as we saw recently in France and Belgium ? If you have balls, take a good look at Africa for a start and then come back and tell us how magnanimous your masters have been ! People like you out to stop accepting CNN, NBC, BBC etc. as sources of truth. Instead, go to these countries you so deeply despise, see for yourself and then come back and tell us how much more loyal you will be to your masters !!

 

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Total bullshit; your reasoning is so superficial that your comments are laughable ! Have you ever been to Afghanistan and/or do you personally know or have spoken to any Afghans ?

How many Muslim countries have you been to ? I challenge you to 1) name the Muslim countries that prohibit Christians from worshipping there and 2) provide evidence to support your claim that practice of Christianity in those countries carries a death sentence. 

 

 

The USA wants to leave Afghanistan, but the Afghans don't want them to leave as they deeply fear the return of the Taliban.......those guys who rule while clutching the Koran.

Pakistan a mess because of lunatics clutching the Koran. Ditto Syria and Iraq.

I don't need to go back to WWII to see what ills that the world has. I just need to see Saudi Arabia, Iran, Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, the terrorists in Mali to know that there is a problem within Islam.

http://time.com/4121906/terror...amako-terror-attack/

 

Now tell us why so many Muslims are fleeing to the West if the West is so evil.  And when they go to Muslim lands they pick the more secular ones like Turkey and Jordan, even Lebanon, despite its aggressive Christians.

So save your history lessons for some one who cares.  Deal with 2016.

As to Muslim countries which are dangerous for Christians. Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Muslim parts of Nigeria, Saudi Arabia.

Can you imagine a Saudi Christian, or a Saudi converting to Christianity?

Haven't even mentioned Egypt where the Cops have frequently had to face persecution.

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ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Maybe if you look closely you would see. The Islamic world is crumbling before your eyes as factions canalize itself. The idiots doing the above say they do it in the name of islam. Also, that is this definitive islamic principle/doctrine you speak of?  Every mullah seem to have a version.

By the way, america is a secular nation. No where in its founding documents are mentions of Christianity being its founding principle.

Maybe we are reading from different news sources; were there any claims by the perpetrator(s) of this incident in Germany that their action(s) were based on Islam ? As I pointed out and as you no doubt know, George Bush specifically used the term 'crusade' to describe the invasion of Iraq and killing of more than one million Iraqis. Why was this not boldly called out as 'Christian Terrorism' ?  Can you point us to any statement or claim by the bomber that his action was taken in the name of Islam ?  

You are missing my point....I am suggesting you pretend you know what is islam. I do not know of any officiating body that says that this is what is islam by consensus. I know in Saudi Arabia they have their view as does the Iranians as does the Jordanians and then we have Sunnis of Iraq metamorphosing into ISIS with their own apocalyptic vision.  I do not have to mention the blind idiot Mullah Omar and his Al Queda expression ot the revivalist version of it in the brotherhood that give us the Taliban.

Do not be an idiot. The modern meaning of the word "crusade" does not mean a christian army on the warpath. It means a force seeking retribution for ills at the hands of others and has no referent in religion. Do not conflate an ancient meaning with a modern one. Also, except in the minds of a few fundamentalist rapture ready fools. America is not christian. It is a plurality by definition from its federalist construct that devolved power to local people to  its declaration of faith that all men are created equal. Where is that in a typical Muslim state?

In any event, were I born in the middle ages I would gladly be on a crusade. Who the hell tell the Muslims to invade Jerusalem? It was not their holy place except in some night travel mentioned by the prophet. It was the real life historical ground of Jews and later Christians. Yes in both sense you miss the point and assume a wrong that does not exist for Muslims but people being invaded or abused.

 

Dumbass, there is no need to go back top the middle ages; the issues to be resolved are current; present day ! Idiots like you seem to think that only your interests count and consequently 'to hell with everyone else' ! Bush openly professed his Christian conviction time and again and you damn well know that!

The point I was I was making, and which you are too stupid to comprehend, is that the white Christian nations continue to take military advantage over others primarily to rob them of their resources; this is what colonialism was about and in this regard some serious reading should help you to understand the root causes of many of the world's present day issues.

What good reasons are there for USA to have 5800 employees in their embassy in Baghdad ? What do you know about Mullah Omar, Taliban and all the other 'evil forces' that are thorns in the sides of USA and its cohorts ? Who created Taliban and why ?

Who created Al Qaeda and why ? Whose friend was Bin Ladin ?Too many of you are so quick to jump on the 'bandwagon' because you believe this will make you 'fit in'. The sad reality is, however, is that you do not realize how asinine your statements are ! Instead of making the assumption that CNN is paragon of truth, travel to some of these countries and speak to people there, the same people you 'know it all' ignoramuses seem to despise and you will quickly begin to understand that the world if a whole lot different from what you presently perceive it to be.

Travel to some of these places and talk to the ordinary people; what you hear will bring you into the real world ...and should help you decrease your ego and ignorance ! 

Indeed the prevailing conditions are wrought of ignorance real, present and continuing. It does reaches back into the distant past because   degenerate mullah created creed presently appearing as death cults are revivalist medieval reaching back for some  quintessential pure Islam.As such it is fantasy.

I am an atheist and do not give a dam if bush claims he is christian. It was not a christian army in Baghdad but an american army and it may have been premised on poor themes but real and present ones existed and from where I stand that is all that matters.

I do not think Exon or BP  are christian agents. They are capitalists plain and simple. They pay a handsome fee for the access and the black stuff that comes out of the soil. It has made many of these states rich and the reason there are sky scrapers reaching to the sky. Note as they do this they  still subscribe to a backward superior creed that presently  have a million coolies and other East Asians in bondage.  The quintessential backwardness with respect to human rights that exists is essentially what is projected into the world.  I am still to get your point. If these are your disadvantaged people you think are robbed by Christians and is  the reason for the present death cult culture, you do not have a point.

 

You come with your own parochial understanding of the events and believe you are informing us of some hithertofore knowledge we missed because we are so stupid. Well, what you say is standard muslim apologetic. We heard the same a thousand times from every Muslim here at one time or another. Repeating the same lie will not make it a truth. America  did not create Al Queda or the Taliban or Al Shabab, or Boko Haram or any of the alphabet soup of degenerates around. Mullah Omar is just one of these blind bitches (real and metaphorical) that seeded this diseased form of political islam  Congressman Wilson facilitated the mujaheddin fight against the Russians and Ben Laden was there does not mean he formalized the creed in the mind of that blind idiot that the world and america was fair game to attack. Mullah Omar was a religious nutjob who formalized that on his own. 

Note Wilson helped them fight. The US walked away  because the fight was over. They could have built something worthy. Instead they created a dystopian regime where the evening spectacle was the beheading women for not wearing a burkha. And no, the awful anti life creed that is the Taliban is not a US creation except in idiots like you who refuse to accept Abu Quitb  Islamic revivalism in the madrasas of Pakistan  is the formal creative force here. Further, the reality is  when left alone that is what authoritarian religious regimes grow to be...become death cults.

What do you know who traveled where? I was there. I worked almost a year in that god forsaken region and  do not care ever to go back. The people are awful, the climate like a dragon fart and you can have it. Granted that was 30 years ago but no amount of gilding a camel turd will make me want to eat it. I am happen to be born in the lush green, where people can shake my hand and where women wear hot pants. That region has no lure for me. It is a parasitism at it best. Above the glitter is a mass of downtrodden slaves keeping everything afloat.

Parochial understanding, eh ! You were there; wherever that was, 30 years ago and that makes you knowledgeable, does it ? Whether you like it or not, the reality is that Al Qaeda, Taliban and several other similar organizations were originally created by USA for their own greedy, power-hungry and resources-grabbing reasons. Your reference to other people's lands as 'god-forsaken' is unspeakably ugly and arrogant and makes me wonder where it was that you actually went. If you did in fact go 'there', I hope you took the time and trouble to speak to the local people; ordinary folks. Had you done so, you would certainly have found out that they never ever contemplated invasion of your world, they did not steal your resources and most certainly never attempted to impose their culture, will and values on your people. You said you were there; where exactly did you go ? Rather than guzzle beer and engage in parroting the political garbage of the present day power brokers of the world in which you live, go to some of these countries that you think you know so much about and talk to the ordinary men and women in the street; you will be amazed at how very different the facts are when compared to so many of the issues that you think you understood so well. You mentioned Al Shabab; since you know so much about them, why don't you tell us what brought about their origin. Are you going to doubt that white, western powers had been dumping tons & tons of their radioactive waste off the coast of the Horn of Africa and when the people and governments objected they were demonized as the traditional 'uncivilized natives' ? You evidently do not know a damn thing about Islam so good luck to you; continue quoting from the garbage that the warmongering white/western nations feed you and which you so willingly and gullibly absorb as 'gospel truth' ! As a Muslim I cannot now and will never, ever condone killing, maiming or hurting poor, innocent, unrelated, defenceless people and the brazen theft of their resources. At the end of the day, it is entirely up to you to believe/accept what you see on you TV screen or what your 'know-it-all' politicians tell you; the other part of the equation is your conscience and as a human being only you can truly know what that entails.

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France church attack: Priest killed by two 'IS soldiers'

 

 

Not sent by ISIS from Iraq/Syria, but 2 confused French men who thought that they are carrying out the will of Allah.

Why do so many lunatics seek salvation in Islam is what Muslims ought to be asking.

how you know this is what they thought?

Don't you know he's a mind reader? 

speaking of the role of the US in other countries, because of its military might and economic power and open society, it cannot but help to play a particular role.

It started with saving Europe from Hitler and the Nazis and digging Europe out of a hole caused by war devastation.

When the Tutsis were being slaughtered, the impending presence of the US drove fear into the Hutus. The pity is that Bill Clinton acted too late.

When the Europeans did not respond to modern day Nazi-ism in Bosnia it took the US, albeit a late Bill Clinton, to stop genocide.

When the Somali pirates were kidnapping other countries' sailors and disrupting commerce, it was the US that acted to keep the shipping lanes open. The same with Taiwan and others in the South Pacific Sea when China threatened.

The world uses the GPS system courtesy of US space satellites and technology.

When natural disaster strikes it's the US whose military and other personnel and US charity that helps.

Yes, the US does wrong things with interfering in other countries' business from time to time; but its importance in interference cannot be overstated. 

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Total bullshit; your reasoning is so superficial that your comments are laughable ! Have you ever been to Afghanistan and/or do you personally know or have spoken to any Afghans ?

How many Muslim countries have you been to ? I challenge you to 1) name the Muslim countries that prohibit Christians from worshipping there and 2) provide evidence to support your claim that practice of Christianity in those countries carries a death sentence. 

 

 

The USA wants to leave Afghanistan, but the Afghans don't want them to leave as they deeply fear the return of the Taliban.......those guys who rule while clutching the Koran.

Pakistan a mess because of lunatics clutching the Koran. Ditto Syria and Iraq.

I don't need to go back to WWII to see what ills that the world has. I just need to see Saudi Arabia, Iran, Boko Haram, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Al Shabaab, the terrorists in Mali to know that there is a problem within Islam.

http://time.com/4121906/terror...amako-terror-attack/

 

Now tell us why so many Muslims are fleeing to the West if the West is so evil.  And when they go to Muslim lands they pick the more secular ones like Turkey and Jordan, even Lebanon, despite its aggressive Christians.

So save your history lessons for some one who cares.  Deal with 2016.

As to Muslim countries which are dangerous for Christians. Somalia, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the Muslim parts of Nigeria, Saudi Arabia.

Can you imagine a Saudi Christian, or a Saudi converting to Christianity?

Haven't even mentioned Egypt where the Cops have frequently had to face persecution.

How impressive ! You've never been to any of these places, you probably know few people or nobody from any these countries but still profess to know so much from western media; but still cannot substantiate any of the statements that you made; how impressive ! If you have balls, NAME THE COUNTRIES THAT APPLY DEATH PENALTY TO THOSE WHO PRACTICE CHRISTIANITY ! Your knowledge of their histories appears to be limited to western TV and news media. I have been to Pakistan, I have been to Afghanistan, I have been to Saudi Arabia, I have been to Syria, I have been to Turkey, I have been to Morocco, I have been to Tunisia; I have been to Algeria. Except for Saudi Arabia, in which I did not have time to move about as much as I would have liked, I saw many churches in all of these countries ! I suggest you take your garbage to your ignoramus friends ....you have no idea what you are talking about ! 

Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Welcome Keffer!

Chief posted:
Keffer posted:
ba$eman posted:

Ansbach, Germany (CNN)A Syrian asylum seeker exploded a suicide bomb outside a music festival in southern Germany Sunday night, in the latest violent attack to rattle the country in the past week.

Twelve people were injured by the blast in the city of Ansbach, three of them seriously, Bavarian Interior Minister Joachim Herrmann said at a news conference Monday. The bomber, a 27-year-old Syrian national who was known to police, was killed, Hermann said.
 

I am a relative newcomer to this forum so maybe someone can tell me who applies titles to the various threads (discussion subjects). In other words, who was responsible for labeling this "Germany - Islamic Terrorists stries again" ? To the best of my knowledge, actions such as this are clearly, unequivocally without basis in any Islamic principle or doctrine. I do not recall the actions of Bush, Cheney, Wolfowicz, Blair and their cohorts being  similarly labeled when they attacked and murdered well in excess of a million people in Iraq; Dumbo Bush actually used the term 'crusade'. Why was it not 'Christian Terrorism' when USA invaded Vietnam and murdered well in excess of a million innocent, defenseless people ?

Welcome Keffer!

Shukhriya, Bhaiyya !

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