FUTURE OF RICE

Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Druggy, what's your solution?

Originally Posted by Mitwah:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Druggy, what's your solution?

He comes from a family of smugglers so do not know a damn thing about rice and does not show a desire to be informed.

There is enough Guyanese in the USA and Canada to support the rice industry if they are looking for markets.  However, they need to be competitive with US prices.   I used to buy Guyana rice in Schenectady when I used to live nearby.  I don't mind making the extra effort to go get it if it will help the industry provided there is no massive markup by middle-men and retailers.

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

If you do a search here you will see I have been saying the same for years. There are  dozens of products made from rice that can b brought on line quickly. It is a matter of local entrepreneurial creativity.

They waiting for you to show them the way, just like you did with the cassava pone industry.  Maybe Caribj can give the the guava cheeze lesson!

Caribj doesn't grow or mill rice, so has no reason to care.

 

I suggest that the rice industry ceases to be brats, and focuses om solutions to its problems.  THAT is what the laid off bauxite workers had to do,

Originally Posted by baseman:
 

So you don't see the role of Govt, apart from sucking the juice?  Well, I guess that is the PNC philosophy, no different then the old days.  No wonder PNC cannot even run a proper cake shop (KSI).

 

bunch of losers, and they think they can run the show.

So do you advocate that the current gov't takes over the rice industry as they did under Burnham?  My recollection is that the results weren't successful.

 

Privately owned companies have the responsibility to find solutions to their problems. Gov'ts role is to ASSIST them.

 

So what is the rice industry doing to solve their problems?  BAWLING that gov't guarantees them prices and markets.  THAT is NOT gov'ts role.

Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

So you are just an armchair quarterback like the rest of us? We have the luxury of virtual reality while business people have to deal with the consequences. 

There are the consequences.

 

1.  The rice industry is PRIVATELY owned.  It isn't a state owned corporation.

 

2.  State ownership and control of productive sectors NEVER works, with Guysuco being an example.

 

3.  Guyana is much less efficient in production of rice than are others, so cannot compete to get into most markets.

 

4.  Given that rice is PRIVATELY owned, either they improve their efficiency, find other products with higher margins, or be driven out of business.  If rice flour has higher margins, then that is what they will have to do, assuming of course that there is a market for the product.

Agree, however too many armchair quarter back with their unproven theories of how to make rice profitable in Guyana. 

The onus is on those involved in the rice industry to find solutions, and not sit back and expect civil servants to do this for them.

So you don't see the role of Govt, apart from sucking the juice?  Well, I guess that is the PNC philosophy, no different then the old days.  No wonder PNC cannot even run a proper cake shop (KSI).

 

bunch of losers, and they think they can run the show.

You idiots are going to be left holding your skinny shriveled penises as those fellows transform our society.

Yeh, like they once did.  You cannot teach an old dogs new tricks.  Transform from lightness to darkness.  You guys are the biggest bunch of idiots.  They scream and rant the country is bankrupt, then gave themselves the biggest pay raise in history.  Liars and idiots.

No more thieving by government ministers and better salaries will attract the PPP brain drain to return to Guyana and build the country like its never been before.  

Nonsense, these thieves will want more milk as their lifestyle expand beyond their means.  These clowns will create inflation and that increase will have no meaning.  PNC don't know how to build, they are best at taking what was put there by another.  Forward to the past.  They are the definition of losers.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

If you do a search here you will see I have been saying the same for years. There are  dozens of products made from rice that can b brought on line quickly. It is a matter of local entrepreneurial creativity.

They waiting for you to show them the way, just like you did with the cassava pone industry.  Maybe Caribj can give the the guava cheeze lesson!

Caribj doesn't grow or mill rice, so has no reason to care.

 

I suggest that the rice industry ceases to be brats, and focuses om solutions to its problems.  THAT is what the laid off bauxite workers had to do,

The bauxite dynamics were very different.  PNC have to care because they have no choice.  Oil is a long way off.

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

If you do a search here you will see I have been saying the same for years. There are  dozens of products made from rice that can b brought on line quickly. It is a matter of local entrepreneurial creativity.

They waiting for you to show them the way, just like you did with the cassava pone industry.  Maybe Caribj can give the the guava cheeze lesson!

Caribj doesn't grow or mill rice, so has no reason to care.

 

I suggest that the rice industry ceases to be brats, and focuses om solutions to its problems.  THAT is what the laid off bauxite workers had to do,

The bauxite dynamics were very different.  PNC have to care because they have no choice.  Oil is a long way off.

suh wuh u gon do when de ile come?

 

i got rope u can use when dat time approach bai

 

heh heh heh

Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

Originally Posted by Tola:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
 

So you are just an armchair quarterback like the rest of us? We have the luxury of virtual reality while business people have to deal with the consequences. 

There are the consequences.

 

1.  The rice industry is PRIVATELY owned.  It isn't a state owned corporation.

 

2.  State ownership and control of productive sectors NEVER works, with Guysuco being an example.

 

3.  Guyana is much less efficient in production of rice than are others, so cannot compete to get into most markets.

 

4.  Given that rice is PRIVATELY owned, either they improve their efficiency, find other products with higher margins, or be driven out of business.  If rice flour has higher margins, then that is what they will have to do, assuming of course that there is a market for the product.

Agree, however too many armchair quarter back with their unproven theories of how to make rice profitable in Guyana. 

The onus is on those involved in the rice industry to find solutions, and not sit back and expect civil servants to do this for them.

So you don't see the role of Govt, apart from sucking the juice?  Well, I guess that is the PNC philosophy, no different then the old days.  No wonder PNC cannot even run a proper cake shop (KSI).

 

bunch of losers, and they think they can run the show.

You idiots are going to be left holding your skinny shriveled penises as those fellows transform our society.

Yeh, like they once did.  You cannot teach an old dogs new tricks.  Transform from lightness to darkness.  You guys are the biggest bunch of idiots.  They scream and rant the country is bankrupt, then gave themselves the biggest pay raise in history.  Liars and idiots.

No more thieving by government ministers and better salaries will attract the PPP brain drain to return to Guyana and build the country like its never been before.  

Keep on holding your breath. Open up an employment recruiting office in NA.

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

You nah no nuttin bout rice. Stik wid cassava and piwari.

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

You nah no nuttin bout rice. Stik wid cassava and piwari.

I know more than you since we were planting since I can remember. You on the other hand was still in the logie when that was happening

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

You nah no nuttin bout rice. Stik wid cassava and piwari.

I know more than you since we were planting since I can remember. You on the other hand was still in the logie when that was happening

Dis buckman leff Guyana when he bin hang he battie off ah bridge and shit. Now he was planting rice. You would not know a logie if you saw one . You will probably call it a mansion...just like the sakawinki parrot. I lived in a town where most people had a plot of rice land. I planted rice manually and cut rice manually with a haaswa(you don't even now what a haaswa is). You doan no shit about rice. You spew hot air here. You should be in the hot air balloon business.

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

You nah no nuttin bout rice. Stik wid cassava and piwari.

I know more than you since we were planting since I can remember. You on the other hand was still in the logie when that was happening

Dis buckman leff Guyana when he bin hang he battie off ah bridge and shit. Now he was planting rice. You would not know a logie if you saw one . You will probably call it a mansion...just like the sakawinki parrot. I lived in a town where most people had a plot of rice land. I planted rice manually and cut rice manually with a haaswa(you don't even now what a haaswa is). You doan no shit about rice. You spew hot air here. You should be in the hot air balloon business.

Sorry, was born to the owner of the  house on the "hill" that rented lands  to you coolies so you can earn your daily bread.

 

 

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

You nah no nuttin bout rice. Stik wid cassava and piwari.

I know more than you since we were planting since I can remember. You on the other hand was still in the logie when that was happening

Dis buckman leff Guyana when he bin hang he battie off ah bridge and shit. Now he was planting rice. You would not know a logie if you saw one . You will probably call it a mansion...just like the sakawinki parrot. I lived in a town where most people had a plot of rice land. I planted rice manually and cut rice manually with a haaswa(you don't even now what a haaswa is). You doan no shit about rice. You spew hot air here. You should be in the hot air balloon business.

Sorry, was born to the owner of the  house on the "hill" that rented lands  to you coolies so you can earn your daily bread.

 

 

Yeah, they rented the rooms in the house and you slept in the latrine. What a concept!

Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by skeldon_man:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

You nah no nuttin bout rice. Stik wid cassava and piwari.

I know more than you since we were planting since I can remember. You on the other hand was still in the logie when that was happening

Dis buckman leff Guyana when he bin hang he battie off ah bridge and shit. Now he was planting rice. You would not know a logie if you saw one . You will probably call it a mansion...just like the sakawinki parrot. I lived in a town where most people had a plot of rice land. I planted rice manually and cut rice manually with a haaswa(you don't even now what a haaswa is). You doan no shit about rice. You spew hot air here. You should be in the hot air balloon business.

Sorry, was born to the owner of the  house on the "hill" that rented lands  to you coolies so you can earn your daily bread.

 

 

Yeah, they rented the rooms in the house and you slept in the latrine. What a concept!

Sorry, the only coolie in the house was my grand mother and her kids. You seem inclined to salvage those imagery from your pitiful past a the template for destitution. Sorry...we did not share the same "traditions"

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

Again, no solution and unproven claims about basmatti and organic. If they can't even produce regular rice at a competitive price, you expect them to produce basmatti and organic competitively? 

Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

If you do a search here you will see I have been saying the same for years. There are  dozens of products made from rice that can b brought on line quickly. It is a matter of local entrepreneurial creativity.

They waiting for you to show them the way, just like you did with the cassava pone industry.  Maybe Caribj can give the the guava cheeze lesson!

Caribj doesn't grow or mill rice, so has no reason to care.

 

I suggest that the rice industry ceases to be brats, and focuses om solutions to its problems.  THAT is what the laid off bauxite workers had to do,

The bauxite dynamics were very different. 

Yes.  Only blacks worked in that, and given that they are useless, who cares.  But Indians must be treated like royalty.

 

Listen bauxite is now privately owned, as sugar should also be, and as rice also is.  If folks cannot compete gov't cannot help them.

Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
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Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

And the onus is on rice farmers and millers to develop solutions to their problems.  Not scream that the gov't must solve them.

 

Such solutions can and should include supports, where necessary, from the gov't.

 

What solutions does the industry have, aside from conceding the Essequibo Coast to Maduro HOPING that they could retain access to the politically influenced Venezuela market.

 

Maduro started the aggression, and Guyana HAD to respond.  How long did the rice industry think that Venezuela was going to continue over paying for rice, even as its entire being collapses?

Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
 

You have been drinking too much. There is not suggestion that my advice will save anything. Rice cannot be sold as a one product and be successful. It has to saturate every avenue of its use and still hope for some luck to make it a stable income generating source. Rice is not competitive for the people with three acres depending on someone else s tractor etc. For farmers with over 50 acres it is quite feasible. Each acres can net close to 1k US in 6 weeks and three times a year in favorable times.

Then instead of playing monday morning quarterback, describe how the farmer can be competitive with other world producers.  If you don't have a solution then stop playing a know it all. 

Dude, you are just a nitwit ninny. Our rice is not prohibitive on the world market. Our financial system and marketing strategies are deficient. I do not know it all but what I know is light years from where you stand.

Stop avoiding the question and answer why Guyana's rice is not competitive on the world market. Why are other nations producing rice cheaper and what can Guyanese farmers do to increase yield and decrease expense.  This is the conundrum that needs to be resolved, not a ranting about rice flour and value added derivatives to compensate for inefficiencies in production. 

Where have I avoided the question? You have 7000 farmers producing 400000 tons of rice that means given a rough estimation they average five acres per farmers. It is not output but economies of scale. Rice on the world market fluctuates like anything else and in 2015 reached a low of 350 a ton but the Guyanese farmers are clamoring for 9000 per bag of paddy. It is about expectations over reaching reality.  Rice is not a scarce commodity. One has to specialize to gain benefits...ie producing organic rice, basmatti or increasing the diversity of product as we stated above.

 

Again, no solution and unproven claims about basmatti and organic. If they can't even produce regular rice at a competitive price, you expect them to produce basmatti and organic competitively? 

You have been sleep walking.

Druggie, neither you nor I know much about farming, but I do believe that organic farming is more easily done on small holdings than it is on mega estates.

 

So Guyana might well be able to craft a brand based on being organic (they will have to conform to specific criteria) as well as "socially conscious", given that it is peasant grown, and so beneficial to local communities.  Folks are actually willing to pay more for this, but a brand awareness must be created.

 

Crying that Venezuela isn't going to buy Guyana rice, because Granger didn't allow Maduro to roam the world claiming that Essequibo would be theirs, but for Obama, isn't going to solve the rice industry's problems.  Stormborn might be off base, but at least he is showing a type of innovative thinking that the rice industry should.

Originally Posted by caribny:

Druggie, neither you nor I know much about farming, but I do believe that organic farming is more easily done on small holdings than it is on mega estates.

 

So Guyana might well be able to craft a brand based on being organic (they will have to conform to specific criteria) as well as "socially conscious", given that it is peasant grown, and so beneficial to local communities.  Folks are actually willing to pay more for this, but a brand awareness must be created.

 

Crying that Venezuela isn't going to buy Guyana rice, because Granger didn't allow Maduro to roam the world claiming that Essequibo would be theirs, but for Obama, isn't going to solve the rice industry's problems.  Stormborn might be off base, but at least he is showing a type of innovative thinking that the rice industry should.

I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres. Even black bush the holdings are small. These can be specialized boutique brands if there is a willingness of the government to support it. Only then can they break into the American market Rice in wholefoods is 3 dollars a pound in the bulk bins. In the specialty section they are almost 5 to 6 dollars a pound.

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by caribny:

Druggie, neither you nor I know much about farming, but I do believe that organic farming is more easily done on small holdings than it is on mega estates.

 

So Guyana might well be able to craft a brand based on being organic (they will have to conform to specific criteria) as well as "socially conscious", given that it is peasant grown, and so beneficial to local communities.  Folks are actually willing to pay more for this, but a brand awareness must be created.

 

Crying that Venezuela isn't going to buy Guyana rice, because Granger didn't allow Maduro to roam the world claiming that Essequibo would be theirs, but for Obama, isn't going to solve the rice industry's problems.  Stormborn might be off base, but at least he is showing a type of innovative thinking that the rice industry should.

I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres. Even black bush the holdings are small. These can be specialized boutique brands if there is a willingness of the government to support it. Only then can they break into the American market Rice in wholefoods is 3 dollars a pound in the bulk bins. In the specialty section they are almost 5 to 6 dollars a pound.

US retail outlets aren't going to stock unknown brands.   The whole world wants to get into Wholefoods.

 

There are other things which the rice industry can do, but it is up to THEM to figure it out, and then solicit help.

Now that this topic veered off in another direction, I may add that most small farmers who Storm is talking about are renting to "Mega" Rice Farmers who rent the land from these small farmers. This has been happening of very long time and Storm has been off the loop on this one.

 

The cost of producing rice is quite high compared to other countries. 

 

Production cost has to come down and value added products must be introduced for the industry to survive and compete.

 

Farmers were kicking and screaming and one AFC rice farmer stripped naked as he protested against the PPP.

 

Well, the truth is out and he has to face reality. It was not the PPP but the Rice Industry itself has to compete by reducing cost and introducing value added products.

 

I honestly do not have any sympathy for some of these "Mega" Rice farmers who delay rent payment for large amounts of rented lands from smaller farmers while they make millions.

 

I know of one AFC farmer on the corentyne (Feda) (He also calls himself Joe Persaud) who rents large amounts of land and enjoyed the high prices while the PPP was in office. He now holds Katahar and is now crying about depressed prices and regret voting AFC.

 

The reality is not that the PPP or PNC is at fault. The reality is the current market conditions for rice and it is not favourable.

 

There has to be some injection of short term assistance for farmers with attached condition for Farmers to adjust, reduce cost and the introduction of value added products.

 

That is the reality. Adhere to it or the Rice industry dies.

 

Let us be fair here, the bauxite industry literally died and bauxite workers bore the brunt of this failure.

 

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

Who Vex, Vex.

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Let us be fair here, the bauxite industry literally died and bauxite workers bore the brunt of this failure.

 

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

Who Vex, Vex.

 

 

 

 

Yuji did some one hack your computer? How can you make such "anti Indian" statements?  I would have expected you to blame "blackman" for all of the rice industries woes.

Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

 

Let us be fair here, the bauxite industry literally died and bauxite workers bore the brunt of this failure.

 

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

Who Vex, Vex.

 

 

 

 

Yuji did some one hack your computer? How can you make such "anti Indian" statements?  I would have expected you to blame "blackman" for all of the rice industries woes.

Shut you rass and celebrate our first agreement as Indo and Afro Guyanese.

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Now that this topic veered off in another direction, I may add that most small farmers who Storm is talking about are renting to "Mega" Rice Farmers who rent the land from these small farmers. This has been happening of very long time and Storm has been off the loop on this one.

 

The cost of producing rice is quite high compared to other countries. 

 

Production cost has to come down and value added products must be introduced for the industry to survive and compete.

 

Farmers were kicking and screaming and one AFC rice farmer stripped naked as he protested against the PPP.

 

Well, the truth is out and he has to face reality. It was not the PPP but the Rice Industry itself has to compete by reducing cost and introducing value added products.

 

I honestly do not have any sympathy for some of these "Mega" Rice farmers who delay rent payment for large amounts of rented lands from smaller farmers while they make millions.

 

I know of one AFC farmer on the corentyne (Feda) (He also calls himself Joe Persaud) who rents large amounts of land and enjoyed the high prices while the PPP was in office. He now holds Katahar and is now crying about depressed prices and regret voting AFC.

 

The reality is not that the PPP or PNC is at fault. The reality is the current market conditions for rice and it is not favourable.

 

There has to be some injection of short term assistance for farmers with attached condition for Farmers to adjust, reduce cost and the introduction of value added products.

 

That is the reality. Adhere to it or the Rice industry dies.

 

Let us be fair here, the bauxite industry literally died and bauxite workers bore the brunt of this failure.

 

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

Who Vex, Vex.

 

 

 

 

There are no mega farms. These fellows plant between 50 to a 100 acres. Mega farms are at Abary where the land is in plots exceeding 500 acres or Essequibo where people like Sankar has mega farms or the new farms in the rupununi. The volume of farmers to out put tell you there are not vast mega farms everywhere. There are some 7000 rice farmers producing 400000 tons of rice.

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Now that this topic veered off in another direction, I may add that most small farmers who Storm is talking about are renting to "Mega" Rice Farmers who rent the land from these small farmers. This has been happening of very long time and Storm has been off the loop on this one.

 

The cost of producing rice is quite high compared to other countries. 

 

Production cost has to come down and value added products must be introduced for the industry to survive and compete.

 

Farmers were kicking and screaming and one AFC rice farmer stripped naked as he protested against the PPP.

 

Well, the truth is out and he has to face reality. It was not the PPP but the Rice Industry itself has to compete by reducing cost and introducing value added products.

 

I honestly do not have any sympathy for some of these "Mega" Rice farmers who delay rent payment for large amounts of rented lands from smaller farmers while they make millions.

 

I know of one AFC farmer on the corentyne (Feda) (He also calls himself Joe Persaud) who rents large amounts of land and enjoyed the high prices while the PPP was in office. He now holds Katahar and is now crying about depressed prices and regret voting AFC.

 

The reality is not that the PPP or PNC is at fault. The reality is the current market conditions for rice and it is not favourable.

 

There has to be some injection of short term assistance for farmers with attached condition for Farmers to adjust, reduce cost and the introduction of value added products.

 

That is the reality. Adhere to it or the Rice industry dies.

 

Let us be fair here, the bauxite industry literally died and bauxite workers bore the brunt of this failure.

 

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

Who Vex, Vex.

 

 

 

 

There are no mega farms. These fellows plant between 50 to a 100 acres. Mega farms are at Abary where the land is in plots exceeding 500 acres or Essequibo where people like Sankar has mega farms or the new farms in the rupununi. The volume of farmers to out put tell you there are not vast mega farms everywhere. There are some 7000 rice farmers producing 400000 tons of rice.

Storm,

 

You talk from both sides of your uninformed mouth. You are off base on this topic.

 

Choose another topic, I mean no disrespect but please.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Now that this topic veered off in another direction, I may add that most small farmers who Storm is talking about are renting to "Mega" Rice Farmers who rent the land from these small farmers. This has been happening of very long time and Storm has been off the loop on this one.

 

The cost of producing rice is quite high compared to other countries. 

 

Production cost has to come down and value added products must be introduced for the industry to survive and compete.

 

Farmers were kicking and screaming and one AFC rice farmer stripped naked as he protested against the PPP.

 

Well, the truth is out and he has to face reality. It was not the PPP but the Rice Industry itself has to compete by reducing cost and introducing value added products.

 

I honestly do not have any sympathy for some of these "Mega" Rice farmers who delay rent payment for large amounts of rented lands from smaller farmers while they make millions.

 

I know of one AFC farmer on the corentyne (Feda) (He also calls himself Joe Persaud) who rents large amounts of land and enjoyed the high prices while the PPP was in office. He now holds Katahar and is now crying about depressed prices and regret voting AFC.

 

The reality is not that the PPP or PNC is at fault. The reality is the current market conditions for rice and it is not favourable.

 

There has to be some injection of short term assistance for farmers with attached condition for Farmers to adjust, reduce cost and the introduction of value added products.

 

That is the reality. Adhere to it or the Rice industry dies.

 

Let us be fair here, the bauxite industry literally died and bauxite workers bore the brunt of this failure.

 

What is good for the goose is good for the Gander.

 

Who Vex, Vex.

 

 

 

 

There are no mega farms. These fellows plant between 50 to a 100 acres. Mega farms are at Abary where the land is in plots exceeding 500 acres or Essequibo where people like Sankar has mega farms or the new farms in the rupununi. The volume of farmers to out put tell you there are not vast mega farms everywhere. There are some 7000 rice farmers producing 400000 tons of rice.

Storm,

 

You talk from both sides of your uninformed mouth. You are off base on this topic.

 

Choose another topic, I mean no disrespect but please.

I know exactly what I am saying. The facts speak for themselves. That some consolidate an pool individual holdings is of little consequence when there are not sufficient of these in contiguous spaces to allow for a mega farms.

Quote by off base Storm:

 

"I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres."

 

Listen Storm, I mean no disrespect. You do not know what you are talking about on this topic. I am originally from corentyne. You are day dreaming man. Cut the nonsense.

Originally Posted by yuji22:

Quote by off base Storm:

 

"I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres."

 

Listen Storm, I mean no disrespect. You do not know what you are talking about on this topic. I am originally from corentyne. You are day dreaming man. Cut the nonsense.

I am from the corentyne. I can say definitively I own more land there than you do and so do my cousins individually. There few available plots bigger than 50 acres.  I also know most of the people that plant large plots because I use to rent to one of them until his wife ran away with his money and he became a drunk and wont pay his bills

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Quote by off base Storm:

 

"I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres."

 

Listen Storm, I mean no disrespect. You do not know what you are talking about on this topic. I am originally from corentyne. You are day dreaming man. Cut the nonsense.

I am from the corentyne. I can say definitively I own more land there than you do and so do my cousins individually. There few available plots bigger than 50 acres.  I also know most of the people that plant large plots because I use to rent to one of them until his wife ran away with his money and he became a drunk and wont pay his bills

50 Acres is small peas. You ain't know Yuji.

Originally Posted by yuji22:
Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by yuji22:

Quote by off base Storm:

 

"I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres."

 

Listen Storm, I mean no disrespect. You do not know what you are talking about on this topic. I am originally from corentyne. You are day dreaming man. Cut the nonsense.

I am from the corentyne. I can say definitively I own more land there than you do and so do my cousins individually. There few available plots bigger than 50 acres.  I also know most of the people that plant large plots because I use to rent to one of them until his wife ran away with his money and he became a drunk and wont pay his bills

50 Acres is all peas. You ain't know Yuji.

It is clear you like to talk a lot of nonsense.  I do not want to know you because you Pinocchio has nothing on  you

Originally Posted by Stormborn:
Originally Posted by caribny:

Druggie, neither you nor I know much about farming, but I do believe that organic farming is more easily done on small holdings than it is on mega estates.

 

So Guyana might well be able to craft a brand based on being organic (they will have to conform to specific criteria) as well as "socially conscious", given that it is peasant grown, and so beneficial to local communities.  Folks are actually willing to pay more for this, but a brand awareness must be created.

 

Crying that Venezuela isn't going to buy Guyana rice, because Granger didn't allow Maduro to roam the world claiming that Essequibo would be theirs, but for Obama, isn't going to solve the rice industry's problems.  Stormborn might be off base, but at least he is showing a type of innovative thinking that the rice industry should.

I am not off base. Most of the farmers in the corentyne only have 3 to five acres. Even black bush the holdings are small. These can be specialized boutique brands if there is a willingness of the government to support it. Only then can they break into the American market Rice in wholefoods is 3 dollars a pound in the bulk bins. In the specialty section they are almost 5 to 6 dollars a pound.

This uninformed, piwari drinking buckman jackass has spoken again. You ain't no nuttin about Guyana. When you mouth like ah battie, all you can talk is belly wuk kaka and some wet fart.

Originally Posted by caribny:

Druggie, neither you nor I know much about farming, but I do believe that organic farming is more easily done on small holdings than it is on mega estates.

 

So Guyana might well be able to craft a brand based on being organic (they will have to conform to specific criteria) as well as "socially conscious", given that it is peasant grown, and so beneficial to local communities.  Folks are actually willing to pay more for this, but a brand awareness must be created.

 

Crying that Venezuela isn't going to buy Guyana rice, because Granger didn't allow Maduro to roam the world claiming that Essequibo would be theirs, but for Obama, isn't going to solve the rice industry's problems.  Stormborn might be off base, but at least he is showing a type of innovative thinking that the rice industry should.

Looks like you and d2 have ideas, however neither seem confident or bold enough to implement them. It is easy to sit in an armchair and speculate solutions as a theorist, however not so easy to get personally involved. 

 

That being said, the industry will find its way like water to the ocean or will die trying. 

Originally Posted by BGurd_See:
Originally Posted by caribny:

Druggie, neither you nor I know much about farming, but I do believe that organic farming is more easily done on small holdings than it is on mega estates.

 

So Guyana might well be able to craft a brand based on being organic (they will have to conform to specific criteria) as well as "socially conscious", given that it is peasant grown, and so beneficial to local communities.  Folks are actually willing to pay more for this, but a brand awareness must be created.

 

Crying that Venezuela isn't going to buy Guyana rice, because Granger didn't allow Maduro to roam the world claiming that Essequibo would be theirs, but for Obama, isn't going to solve the rice industry's problems.  Stormborn might be off base, but at least he is showing a type of innovative thinking that the rice industry should.

Looks like you and d2 have ideas, however neither seem confident or bold enough to implement them. It is easy to sit in an armchair and speculate solutions as a theorist, however not so easy to get personally involved. 

 

That being said, the industry will find its way like water to the ocean or will die trying. 

I discuss possibilities.  It is up to the rice industry to develop those of their own, instead of behaving like spoiled brats, wailing when the gov't doesn't rush to wipe their tears. Rice is the only private industry that behaves like this.  If this is their attitude the government should nationalize the industry and turn the whole lot into laborers.

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