seignet posted:

Stormborn posted:

seignet posted:

caribny posted:

Stormborn posted:

 

BTW. white americans will have all of us in the category above...black, Mexican or "other"... backward "other". Imaging the irony of  us maintaining the the same racist stratification among ourselves that as a group we have to confront...the irony of irony!

True because contrary to what some believe the success of Asian Indians in the USA has not rubbed off on Indo Caribbean people.  The latter aren't any better off than are Afro Caribbean people or African immigrants.

Was in Houston, Texas on the weekend. Met with some Ethiopians and Indians on a business deal. Each of those 6 men are living in million dollar homes, driving Mercedez Benz and Landrovers. Each one of those chaps have atleast 3 high priced vehicles. They deal with businesses of their fellow groups, whether it is a limousine service or restaurant.

Willingly they shared their experiences living in Houston. Each expressed their success had nothing to do with racsim. They put it aside and just carry on carving out their share of the American Success Pie.

Those consumed by racism seems to be living in it. And prevented to succeed.

Bigots are everywhere. Even the bigots who notice bigotry in others.  

So your six Ethiopians are a measure against which you negate what is self evident in the system. I have a class mate whose father is a dean at Austin. She has 3 brothers, all with doctorates. Her mother is also a professor. She is head of a Catholic woman's hospital in LA. She is a psychiatrist. One of her on going projects is to lecture on the psychology of racism. Why is it you know better than her. By the way, she has advance degrees ( MD in internal medicine and geriatric psychology) and an MBA from two ivy league universities.

Fella, I stated the success of those six men. And how they deemed racism in America. They doan let it hold them back.

Your Professors create scenerios to hold them up in high esteem. 

Doan let's start a fight. U juss returned. Many here missed u. Doan disappoint dem in leaving.

No one lets racism hold them back. Otherwise there would be no movement to civil rights and all the privileges non whites now experience. The reality is racism is a strong counter flow against effort that is measurable across dozens of parameters.

Guyanese indians are feeling it also. It is no strange thing for them to gain a measure of success but to transcend that to be truly accomplished means they have to swim against the tide of institutional bias that is build into the system. No one that is of any hue other than white can say they have not experienced racism here in the US.

Man woman or child any that say so I would call them blind or abnormally impervious to the prevailing slights, slings an arrows that they encounter daily. Every indian man or woman would have already warned their teenage boys now to respond to police. If they do not they are fools.

Every minority would have seen the supermarket or mall security following them for no other reason except they are not white. Everyone would have had some white person jumped in front of them for a cab or in a line. For them to say otherwise is to be absurdly situationally unawares.

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

Now compare that to President Bush's Top Cabinet Positions:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Welcome to the great democracy they call America. Regardless of all its faults we love it and can't live without it. When Dr. Jagan used to attack the US for racism and economic imperialism you all used to get mad and berate the man.  What's problem now?

If anyone goes to another country and has a problem with how they are being treated then they should go back to their own country.  Simple as that.

Stormborn posted:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

 

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

 

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

As I said, you reason like a cow....mooo! Your company just don't know where to look if they are having a problem. I doubt they are. Also What does IT have to do with liberal arts, legal and MBA types that fill political roles? Those kinds of talent are abundant as grass.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Welcome to the great democracy they call America. Regardless of all its faults we love it and can't live without it. When Dr. Jagan used to attack the US for racism and economic imperialism you all used to get mad and berate the man.  What's problem now?

If anyone goes to another country and has a problem with how they are being treated then they should go back to their own country.  Simple as that.

You are plain silly. One is compelled to change their environment by their presence. Actually, they do if they intend to or not by merely visiting.

No one should accept the Saudi's anti women laws or the North African habit of infibulation or the practice of child brides anywhere in the world. The same goes for human trafficking, child labor and classism/casteism. Add to that plain hygiene as institutional practices.

Yes, one has a right as a human being to express their opinion if not contempt for odious practices, be it religious, superstitious or customary per cultural construct.

By the way, American Civil rights was given strength by the advent of black West Indians coming and rejecting the status the status quo outright. It bred in their children who per their numbers, dominated the civil right movements, and fostered  a culture of rejection of the status quo. From Garvey to Malcolm... you stand on their shoulders.

After twenty odd years on here, you seem to be confronting different generations of posters. And it seems over those years, you continually find yourself at odds. 

Prejuidices never change. And it meets up with identical forces, even it be 400 years from now.

Racism will never abate. If a country treats an immigrant badly, dey should get out.

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

 

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

As I said, you reason like a cow....mooo! Your company just don't know where to look if they are having a problem. I doubt they are. Also What does IT have to do with liberal arts, legal and MBA types that fill political roles? Those kinds of talent are abundant as grass.

Nonsense, these cabinet positions are not only about college degrees. There are other considerations such as experience etc. Obviously if a Black president couldn't find the talent among the US population of Black professionals then this in itself is evidence that the numbers are low. In addition, it is mostly whites who elected him, so why should he just pander to blacks just because he is black?

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

 

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

As I said, you reason like a cow....mooo! Your company just don't know where to look if they are having a problem. I doubt they are. Also What does IT have to do with liberal arts, legal and MBA types that fill political roles? Those kinds of talent are abundant as grass.

Nonsense, these cabinet positions are not only about college degrees. There are other considerations such as experience etc. Obviously if a Black president couldn't find the talent among the US population of Black professionals then this in itself is evidence that the numbers are low. In addition, it is mostly whites who elected him, so why should he just pander to blacks just because he is black?

Politics is mainly about who you know and ambition...what experience did obama had or trump for that matter? Did you know that Obama was looking? Do you know why Tavis and  West have a quarrel with him? You are as I said, living in a cocoon. Percentage wise there are comparable numbers of black IT professionals as any. I was told there are some 50K in one organization. I doubt all of them have jobs they are qualified to have.

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

 

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

As I said, you reason like a cow....mooo! Your company just don't know where to look if they are having a problem. I doubt they are. Also What does IT have to do with liberal arts, legal and MBA types that fill political roles? Those kinds of talent are abundant as grass.

Nonsense, these cabinet positions are not only about college degrees. There are other considerations such as experience etc. Obviously if a Black president couldn't find the talent among the US population of Black professionals then this in itself is evidence that the numbers are low. In addition, it is mostly whites who elected him, so why should he just pander to blacks just because he is black?

D2 comes here and whines and complains about Afro Americans and Latinos not getting high profile jobs while President Obama filled his cabinet with 99 Percent whites.

He should first call out Obama for setting a very bad example rather than rant. That will give him a little credibility.

yuji22 posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

yuji22 posted:

This is what a Black President's Cabinet was made up of, could he not find educated Blacks to fill some of these Cabinet Positions ? Explain this. Look story here.

 

have you read any if the criticism of  Obama by black people? The primary complaint was  that he believed in the post racial paradigm and had to be forced by circumstance to confront institutional bias when he actually addressed race directly.

 

It is not surprising. His  failure to recognize the persistence of racism and his faith in the better angels of humanity was a virtue and a curse. It is that surprisingly unique woman who was his mother that graced him with that innocence. It was not that he could not find black to fill cabinet posts. He never thought it necessary to look for them.

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

As I said, you reason like a cow....mooo! Your company just don't know where to look if they are having a problem. I doubt they are. Also What does IT have to do with liberal arts, legal and MBA types that fill political roles? Those kinds of talent are abundant as grass.

Nonsense, these cabinet positions are not only about college degrees. There are other considerations such as experience etc. Obviously if a Black president couldn't find the talent among the US population of Black professionals then this in itself is evidence that the numbers are low. In addition, it is mostly whites who elected him, so why should he just pander to blacks just because he is black?

D2 comes here and whines and complains about Afro Americans and Latinos not getting high profile jobs while President Obama filled his cabinet with 99 Percent whites.

He should first call out Obama for setting a very bad example rather than rant. That will give him a little credibility.

 

 

You are a royal ass so you would of course miss my view of Obama. Chief had a long thread on it prior and post elections and all my apprehensions about his standing for office. I have also mentioned my view as to why he was reticent to do many things that we see Trump do with alacrity. His failings to bring immigration means the democrats are on the back foot. He had both the senate and the house and could have done it and added 10 million democrat to the rolls.  But you are the idiot who cannot argue point counter point and so brings the straw man's argument about obama not filling his cabinet with staff representing some ethnic proportionality. That is completely irrelevant to the argument in the OP. If anything it can be deemed supportive of it given institutional imperatives.

Stormborn posted:

Politics is mainly about who you know and ambition...what experience did obama had or trump for that matter? Did you know that Obama was looking? Do you know why Tavis and  West have a quarrel with him? You are as I said, living in a cocoon. Percentage wise there are comparable numbers of black IT professionals as any. I was told there are some 50K in one organization. I doubt all of them have jobs they are qualified to have.

Likewise, do you know that he didn't seek out qualified blacks for these positions? Tarvis and West are like you, they want to see black faces in the cabinet at any cost just to fill a perceived quota. When Bush brought on Powell and Rice, it was not out of a need to satisfy a quota, they actually were good performers. 

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

Politics is mainly about who you know and ambition...what experience did obama had or trump for that matter? Did you know that Obama was looking? Do you know why Tavis and  West have a quarrel with him? You are as I said, living in a cocoon. Percentage wise there are comparable numbers of black IT professionals as any. I was told there are some 50K in one organization. I doubt all of them have jobs they are qualified to have.

Likewise, do you know that he didn't seek out qualified blacks for these positions? Tarvis and West are like you, they want to see black faces in the cabinet at any cost just to fill a perceived quota. When Bush brought on Powell and Rice, it was not out of a need to satisfy a quota, they actually were good performers. 

 I can say that he alienated himself from a large contingency of established black politicos and insulated himself via a coterie of people with no historical connection to the community. That is my view and it happened to coincide with what is generally the criticism of his governing. He also deliberately disassociated himself from anything that could be linked to a black consciousness movement because he wrongly believed he should not seek to annoy white people by delving in parochial politics. It kept him non controversial but also kept him from formally addressing some very pressing black concerns. He did nothing for black people and in the end white people still blamed him for many things not remotely his concern.

Drugb posted:

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

 

Your diatribes against Indos are legendary,

Like what?  Criticizing the PPP or attempting to have Indians examine their own racist attitudes towards blacks even as they damn blacks for being racist towards them?  Or about how Indo Guyanese people function within a multi ethnic/cultural/religious environment that is Guyana?

Yes I know that you claim "objectivity" as you daily demean blacks but scream racism whenever the PPP or Indo racist attitudes are raised.  Screaming not too long ago that blacks "have no culture".  Joining with others to demean Kwe kwe because of its loosely African origins. Using "congo man" as a racist epithet.

You forgot all your wickedness so quickly? Every opportunity you seize on to portray IndoG's as evil and bigoted.  You forgot how you tried to paint good Indotrini vs bad IndoG?  You forgot how you claim indoGs in general are clannish? You forgot how you screamed that IndoG's were not hiring blacks because they are racist? I had to smack you around then as my business interests in Guyana hires many blacks. You forgot how you try to portray indoGs in the islands as losers and only good enough to clean black baby bottoms? You forgot how you claimed indoGs were only gardeners and toilet cleaners in the islands? You even claimed that indoGs should pay blacks reparations for slavery. You are a wicked soul and will pay the price eventually, in this life and the after life if it exists, and so will d2 and cain. 

Everything that you raise here is a response to Indian racism.  The screams that "black man lazy and cannot run a country". Black man violent, dirty, stupid and uneducated, etc. 

Aside from Gafoors you showed no evidence that Guyanese Indians in Barbados hire blacks. Skeldonman or another Indo KKK went there saw some ASIAN Indian owned businesses and then lied that they were Guyanese.  Guyanese Indians in Barbados are heavily represented in occupations that Barbadians who have alternatives don't want to pursue.

Your racist notion about blacks leads you to view black Barbadians as an incompetent people who cannot have complex jobs.  Even though 30% of Barbadians under 30 and almost 20% of Barbadians overall have COLLEGE education!

Just see any evidence that blacks aren't an inferior group and you bust into a frenzy.  Look at how Karen Abrams led a Guyanese team to do well in the STEM. And note that she didn't just select Afro Guyanese, but a group of kids who were there based on merit.

You had a mental breakdown and spent days trying to demean her and insist that she was a loser.  And this isn't the only case where you descend to that level of behavior.

I never said that Indians should pay blacks for slavery.  That is your asinine concoction that you used to deny any conversation on the widespread racism that blacks endured during the PPP era.  In order to divert discussion you in your primitive brain thought that you could concoct the lie that I claimed that Indians should compensate blacks for slavery.

In fact I don't even demand that the British should do so, seeing that as a demand that would never be acknowledged and therefore a waste of time.

Good Indo Trini vs. Bad Indo Guyanese...maybe this is because Indo Trinis manifest a greater ability to operate within the multi cultural complex that is that island vs. people like you who remain trapped in your hatred of blacks.

Indo Guyanese in general are clannish.  Just examine how blacks and Indians view the dougla.  I even recently saw the PPP claiming that Rohee was black!  It is a fact that Guyanese Indians operate as Indians who live in Guyana whereas Guyanese blacks operate as Guyanese who happen to be black. 

Look at how frenzied some Indians on GNI get when some mention is being made of a family member marrying a black person. Shaitaan revealed that a relative of Cobra married black and cobra was so incensed that he demanded that Shaitaan be banned for such an "insult".

Now how many of these blacks that your family hire do tasks that are managerial or professional?  Oh yes we know that Indians do hire blacks to do undesirable work, fitting into their notion that blacks are inferior and should be grateful for crumbs.  Almost like the old days when whites hired blacks for those jobs but would never see them as fit for upper tier functions.

And yes when Indians like you scream that blacks must be grateful that Indians migrated to Guyana because blacks cannot run a country then you ought to be reminded that large numbers of Indians do flee to a black run nation to clean toilets and cut grass.  It is noticeable that when Bajans talk about needing Guyanese workers it is always in occupations that Bajans don't want once their are other jobs available to them.

Drugb posted:

 

None of the above are true about me.

Your reputation speaks for itself.  Just examine your screams every time an Afro Guyanese is highlighted for being successful.  You spend days doing research trying to pull them down.  Your whole self esteem rests upon your belief that blacks are inferior to you so you really get upset when there is evidence that they aren't.

In fact this thread is dedicated to you as even among the Indo KKK set you are well known for your incessant need to show blacks to be failures.  The others are more interested in screaming that its an insult to reveal that a family member is married to a black, or that "black man lazy, and black man a kill ahbe".

seignet posted:

 

Fella, I stated the success of those six men. And how they deemed racism in America. They doan let it hold them back.

Your Professors create scenerios to hold them up in high esteem. 

Doan let's start a fight. U juss returned. Many here missed u. Doan disappoint dem in leaving.A

And you can find another six Ethiopians whose experience is very different.  Ethiopians are NOT one of the most successful black immigrant groups!

yuji22 posted:

 

He should first call out Obama for setting a very bad example rather than rant. That will give him a little credibility.

 

Obama spent all day trying to prove to whites that he didn't hate them. Lecturing to blacks while excusing white racism.

Yet they still called him a racist.  That is in fact why his cabinet didn't contain more blacks, and I think had fewer blacks in important slots than did Bill Clinton's.

So what is your point. Obama was selected by white liberals and remained a tool of their choice.  He is now becoming a very wealthy man as a result for being a man who happened to be black and who didn't upset the status quo.

Drugb posted:

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Likewise, do you know that he didn't seek out qualified blacks for these positions?

Obama didn't. He lived in perpetual fear of racists like you. His black appointments were those who previously served in some capacity under Bill Clinton.

Despite this you all will still scream that he is a racist who is responsible for increased racial tensions in the USA.

Stormborn posted:

 I can say that he alienated himself from a large contingency of established black politicos and insulated himself via a coterie of people with no historical connection to the community. That is my view and it happened to coincide with what is generally the criticism of his governing. He also deliberately disassociated himself from anything that could be linked to a black consciousness movement because he wrongly believed he should not seek to annoy white people by delving in parochial politics. It kept him non controversial but also kept him from formally addressing some very pressing black concerns. He did nothing for black people and in the end white people still blamed him for many things not remotely his concern.

Those black politicos did not help elect him to office, especially the 2nd time around, he was a force all by himself, why should he have bowed down to their wishes?

He was president for all the people, he wasn't elected to push a black agenda only like Granger is now doing in Guyana.  You should not be speaking ill of the man considering he went to Harvard and you the lowly Howard. 

Drugb posted:

Stormborn posted:

 I can say that he alienated himself from a large contingency of established black politicos and insulated himself via a coterie of people with no historical connection to the community. That is my view and it happened to coincide with what is generally the criticism of his governing. He also deliberately disassociated himself from anything that could be linked to a black consciousness movement because he wrongly believed he should not seek to annoy white people by delving in parochial politics. It kept him non controversial but also kept him from formally addressing some very pressing black concerns. He did nothing for black people and in the end white people still blamed him for many things not remotely his concern.

Those black politicos did not help elect him to office, especially the 2nd time around, he was a force all by himself, why should he have bowed down to their wishes?

He was president for all the people, he wasn't elected to push a black agenda only like Granger is now doing in Guyana.  You should not be speaking ill of the man considering he went to Harvard and you the lowly Howard. 

you do not know what you are talking about so I will leave it at that. I am not speaking ill of him. I am speaking of a view he had about his governing that I considered short sighted.  I do not have to defend howard. As I said, sing our fight song on any city in the world and you will most likely have a response.

Stormborn posted:

It kept him non controversial but also kept him from formally addressing some very pressing black concerns. He did nothing for black people and in the end white people still blamed him for many things not remotely his concern.

And he might have damaged the Democratic party.  The Dems don't win if blacks don't vote. The drop in the black vote in the Midwest was more than the excess of the Trump vote.

On election day I heard many blacks saying that if things didn't change for them under Obama why else would they change under some one else.  Getting working class blacks votes will become increasingly difficult, especially as the Civil Rights generation moves on.  To them the right to vote was key.  Less so for younger folks who don't known of an era when voting was such a precious right.

Drugb posted:

 

Those black politicos did not help elect him to office,  

In the second term he needed the black vote even more than he did the first time as the % of whites voting for him declined.

Whether black politicians helped him or not is irrelevant.  Its the black vote which did and when it dropped for Hillary Trump won.  If she had won the same numbers of black votes in the Midwest as Obama had she would have beaten Trump.

Here is the rub.  Clinton won because Ross Perot split the white vote.  The GOP won in 2000 and 2004.  The Dems won in 2008 and 2012 because of a surge in black votes.  They lost when black votes ebbed in 2016.

Many of the working class blacks who voted for Obama are now completely disillusioned with the political process and the Dems are in deep trouble as a result.   This is the most loyal part of the Democratic party.

Drugb posted:

. Obviously if a Black president couldn't find the talent among the US population of Black professionals then this in itself is evidence that the numbers are low. In addition, it is mostly whites who elected him, so why should he just pander to blacks just because he is black?

yes a racist like you would love to peddle that view.  The truth is that Obama was mortified at alienating whites by being open minded about blacks. He has always felt that he must be the "Safe Negro".  The one who liberal whites felt comfortable with.

In fact when his AG Eric Holder the Barbadian, became open and honest about racism in the USA Obama left him out to dry.  Note that Eric Holder is a Clinton hold over.  Bill Clinton went out of his way to find qualified blacks. Even Jimmy Carter, despite the fact that the pool of such blacks with experience was much slimmer 40 years ago.

This is the Obama philosophy.  The more you love him the more he takes you for granted.  He ignored blacks and was dismissive towards them. He frittered away the first two years of his administration by begging white Republicans to love him. He squandered opportunities to help his various core basis recover from the Great Recession in his haste to genuflect to the GOP that he lost the mid terms.

Drugb posted:

 

Nonsense, you can find a better explanation than this. For instance we bend over backwards to find Blacks to fill IT positions but to no avail. The few qualified Blacks in the industry are in high demand. 

There is a reason why so many immigrants find opportunities in IT.  Most of those like you work IT (coding) at Goldman Sachs than arrange M&A deals. 

The mere fact that there are so many H1Bs is that Americans, without regard to race aren't interested in these jobs.

Just under 10% of the financial service professionals are blacks which is consistent with the numbers who pursue various business degrees.

So cease babbling about IT as if that is the be all and end all. What you do is seen by many Americans as picking lettuce.  Its an immigrant job and not one that the best and the brightest deal with.  They hire you to be their slaves while they focus on product development and on the business aspects of running an IT company.

caribny posted:

yuji22 posted:

 

He should first call out Obama for setting a very bad example rather than rant. That will give him a little credibility.

 

He is now becoming a very wealthy man as a result for being a man who happened to be black and who didn't upset the status quo.

In effect, he screwed African Americans who lined up for hours to vote for him in massive numbers. 

caribny posted:

seignet posted:

 

Fella, I stated the success of those six men. And how they deemed racism in America. They doan let it hold them back.

Your Professors create scenerios to hold them up in high esteem. 

Doan let's start a fight. U juss returned. Many here missed u. Doan disappoint dem in leaving.A

And you can find another six Ethiopians whose experience is very different.  Ethiopians are NOT one of the most successful black immigrant groups!

From what I was shown in Houston, they are not doing badly. They strive to be self employed. Perhaps, coming from a non colonized country, there is a sense of pride of independence. No slave mentality or worried about the big bad white man. They walk head high up.

I doan think you and D2 are impoverished blacks. Suh, do tell how  you became affluent. You some how avoided all the pitfalls of being a penniless negro. 

caribny posted:

There is a reason why so many immigrants find opportunities in IT.  Most of those like you work IT (coding) at Goldman Sachs than arrange M&A deals. 

The mere fact that there are so many H1Bs is that Americans, without regard to race aren't interested in these jobs.

Just under 10% of the financial service professionals are blacks which is consistent with the numbers who pursue various business degrees.

So cease babbling about IT as if that is the be all and end all. What you do is seen by many Americans as picking lettuce.  Its an immigrant job and not one that the best and the brightest deal with.  They hire you to be their slaves while they focus on product development and on the business aspects of running an IT company.

Dude not everyone can be a software developer of significant complexity, it takes logical thinking, of which you and d2 are devoid. Your concept of IT is questionable. You many times made blunders confusing end user user functions with software development. You consider call center as software development.  So don't try to degrade those who develop software to keep fortune 500 companies running while all you know is from an end user perspective. 

caribny posted:

yes a racist like you would love to peddle that view.  The truth is that Obama was mortified at alienating whites by being open minded about blacks. He has always felt that he must be the "Safe Negro".  The one who liberal whites felt comfortable with.

In fact when his AG Eric Holder the Barbadian, became open and honest about racism in the USA Obama left him out to dry.  Note that Eric Holder is a Clinton hold over.  Bill Clinton went out of his way to find qualified blacks. Even Jimmy Carter, despite the fact that the pool of such blacks with experience was much slimmer 40 years ago.

This is the Obama philosophy.  The more you love him the more he takes you for granted.  He ignored blacks and was dismissive towards them. He frittered away the first two years of his administration by begging white Republicans to love him. He squandered opportunities to help his various core basis recover from the Great Recession in his haste to genuflect to the GOP that he lost the mid terms.

 

As much as you berate Obama for not bending over backwards for Blacks, a fraction of his support base. You must bear in mind that he did not grow up as most underprivileged Blacks like yourself, in poverty in the hood dodging bullets and selling drugs.

Obama attended Harvard, d2 attended Howard, you I am not sure if you even passed high school.  So don't pretend that you knew what was better for the nation at the moment. 

seignet posted:

 

From what I was shown in Houston, they are not doing badly

You saw six people.  Ethiopians are doing worse than are Jamaicans who certainly will NOT claim that racism isn't an issue in the USA. They do much worse than do Nigerians who will also describe the racism that they have faced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScZLoJiSu3Q

This is a program run by Nigerian Americans with very heavy African input and there is much discussion of racism.

Question for Caribj. If Indian Guyanese do menial jobs just like or more than black Guyanese, why does it seem like Guyanese Indians have a higher standard of living than Guyanese blacks? Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. You are free to dismiss this as me being racist but that will only prolong you acknowledging some real problems in black communities. We just had hurricane Irma and to get some people something to eat some schools and organizations were giving out free food. The crowds were mostly black. You can again dismiss that as racism but again you will only be deliberately denying a real issue in the black communities. Think about those two examples and others. Think.

Drugb posted:

most underprivileged Blacks like yourself, in poverty in the hood dodging bullets and selling drugs.

 

And here you go.  You don't know me but because of your racist view of blacks you assume that I must be like this.

FYI my educational credentials are much stronger than are yours and in fact closely parallel Obama's.

ksazma posted:

 Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. 

Another closet racist here. I say that Indo Guyanese do NOT do better than do Afro Caribbean immigrants. You however, operating out of a notion of black inferiority then  process this to mean that this means that I claim that Indo Guyanese do worse.

FACT.  They do the SAME in NYC!

I look at statistics. You walk around neighborhoods and don't even know what you are looking at.

I bet you walk down Church Ave and think that this is an Afro Guyanese neighborhood.

FACT. Statistics available show that Guyanese on a whole have similar socio economic profiles as do others from the English speaking Caribbean.

Please furnish proof that Afro Guyanese do worse than do Jamaicans.  

I am a high school dropout but you wouldn't know that looking at how I live. It is not what you get but what you do with it. Some people eat now and don't even bother to think about dinner much less tomorrow. Think about that Caribj.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. 

I look at statistics. You walk around neighborhoods and don't even know what you are looking at.

I bet you walk down Church Ave and think that this is an Afro Guyanese neighborhood.

As I expected and indicated as much in my comment, you will choose to go into denial. Carry on smartly.

ksazma posted:

only prolong you acknowledging some real problems in black communities. We just had hurricane Irma and to get some people something to eat some schools and organizations were giving out free food. The crowds were mostly black.

What babbling nonsense is this.

1.  Those islands are mainly black so obviously those requiring hurricane assistance will be mainly black.  When Guyana had major flooding several years ago Indians were lining up for flood relief just as were blacks.

2. If you refer to NYC what % of the black population of NYC consists of black Guyanese?

Now run off and peddle your notion of black inferiority. Clearly it seems that you need to feel better than Afro Guyanese to feel good about yourself.

You see Guyanese Indians as home owners in Queens. You see Guyanese blacks in Brooklyn as apartment renters. I guess you see those two situations as the same,

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 Just compare the Queens crowds to the Brooklyn ones. 

I look at statistics. You walk around neighborhoods and don't even know what you are looking at.

I bet you walk down Church Ave and think that this is an Afro Guyanese neighborhood.

As I expected and indicated as much in my comment, you will choose to go into denial. Carry on smartly.

No all you reveal is that your basic racism causes you to think that you are better than Guyanese of African descent so you peddle nonsense. 

Where is your statistical data to show that Indo Guyanese are better off?

Conflating African Americans with black immigrants is your dodge to hide your basic racism.  

ksazma posted:

You see Guyanese Indians as home owners in Queens. You see Guyanese blacks in Brooklyn as apartment renters. I guess you see those two situations as the same,

And your data to support this is........?   Canarsie, East Flatbush, and Flatlands are packed with Afro Caribbean home owners and Guyanese are well represented among them.  Ditto for many areas of Queens and many also live in the suburbs.  There has also been a huge migration to Atlanta and FL.

Continue to bolster your self esteem with your failed attempt to make afro Guyanese look like losers.  Buddy you just bolster the claims of many that Indo Guyanese are fundamentally racist.  Even Indo Trinidadians think so.