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April 18, 2017

Fleeing hard times –Guyanese living in Venezuela returning home

–cite food crisis, political unrest

By Zena Henry

THE decline of neighbouring Venezuela’s economy and the resultant strain on its cost of living is causing many Guyanese living there to think seriously about coming back home.

This is according to Guyana’s Ambassador to Venezuela, Ms Cheryl Miles during an update on Guyana-Venezuela relations at the conclusion of a heads of missions conference held here recently at the Pegasus Hotel.
Guyana and Venezuela are still to resolve a decades-old border controversy currently being managed by the United Nations. In a televised interview with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Miles explained that since her posting to Venezuela, much of her work has been in relation to the Diaspora which makes up some 250,000 Guyanese living in Venezuela.
And, despite the social state the country is in, she said, many Guyanese are holding their own, but some are having second thoughts.
“Many people now are thinking of returning to Guyana because of the difficulties in Venezuela,” the veteran diplomat said.
She said that while many persons are seeking guidance on how they can reintegrate into Guyanese society, in many cases, they are concerned that because their children may not have learned English in a structured way, that could be a hindrance in their being able to attend school in Guyana. “We are trying to see in what ways we can make it easier for them to reintegrate,” Miles said, adding that it is one of the tasks with which the Embassy is currently preoccupied.

CROSS-BORDER TRADE
This newspaper had reported back in February that scores of Venezuelans would regularly cross the border at Kumaka, in Region One (Barima-Waini) to do business. According to Kumaka residents at the time, this is what had obtained throughout 2016, as the economic situation in Venezuela took a turn for the worse.
Media reports have since suggested that supermarket shelves in Venezuela are chronically bare, and power shortages are so severe that government offices are forced to only open two days a week.
Add to this the collapse of the healthcare system, the spiralling crime rate, and progressively worsening inflation, and one could well imagine the state of play in Venezuela these days.
And as the New York Times had reported, with the plummeting of the price of oil, Venezuela’s only export of note, this means revenues could fall by as much as 40 per cent this year.
It’s a situation that has, since earlier in the year, resulted in a number of Venezuela-based Guyanese relocating to the place they once called home within communities in the North West District.

Guyana’s Ambassador to Venezuela, Ms Cheryl Miles

According to Kumaka residents, many persons who had relocated to Venezuela during the 1980s have since returned to the North West in search of greener pastures.
“They come across with fuel and plastic containers and clothes, and take back sugar, rice and even things like toilet paper,” a Kumaka vendor named Michael said of those Venezuelans coming here to trade items that are difficult to source in their homeland.
He said that the goods brought here by the Spanish-speaking traders are sold dirt cheap. “A set of bowls, the ones with more than one, you can get that cheap,” Michael said.

KUMAKA FRONT
At the Kumaka Waterfront, several stalls would line the edges of the roadway close to the Aruka River, a sight that was almost non-existent prior to the collapse of the Venezuelan economy.
The area was once a matter of concern in the past, as water from the meandering Aruka River had almost eroded that section of the waterfront in recent years. However, revetment works were undertaken in the area and it has since stood the test of time. Consumer items that do exceedingly well at Kumaka include fuel, such as gasoline, which retails at approximately G$17,000 per barrel. The price reportedly dropped significantly a month ago when the authorities clamped down on the trade of fuel at Morawhanna.
At the time, the price per barrel had risen to approximately $28,000.
“We buy gas at about $400 a gallon,” a minibus driver had told this publication at Kumaka. He said that when the authorities visit the area, the prices would increase. Last December, Commissioner General of the Guyana Revenue Authority (GRA), Mr Godfrey Statia, spoke on the issue of fuel-smuggling in the area. “We also know there is fuel-smuggling in the Essequibo, in Morawhanna; we also plan to put a presence at Morawhanna,” Statia was quoted as telling the media at the time.
At the remote villages outside Mabaruma, persons would trade mainly food items with Venezuelans across the Amacuro River. The goods are usually bought at Kumaka and ferried to the border location, a practice which is not expected to end anytime soon.
BORDER CONTROVERSY
As Ambassador Miles pointed out regarding the border controversy between Guyana and Venezuela, Georgetown maintains the firm position that the matter should go to the international court.
She drew reference to the recent visit of the UN General-Secretary’s personal representative, Ambassador Dag Nylander who was here to help the two countries find a solution to the problem by the end of the year.
If this does not happen, then recommendations will be given by the UN on how the controversy should be handled, with the matter’s referral to the International Court of Justice being the likely outcome.
“Our sides are very far apart,” Ambassador Miles said. “We would like to see the issue go to the International Court of Justice; it is our firm position, and Venezuela doesn’t want that. They prefer a different form of settlement.”

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RiffRaff posted:
Drugb posted:

These people in for a surprise if they think PNC Guyana is any better than Venezuela. 

how you know which is better, like yuh live in Venezuela at one time

it is about the current Venezuela vs current Guyana under the rule of jackass Granger.

There are no jobs for them to return to, and everone else is a seller, sellers selling to other sellers. 

FM
Drugb posted:
RiffRaff posted:
Drugb posted:

These people in for a surprise if they think PNC Guyana is any better than Venezuela. 

how you know which is better, like yuh live in Venezuela at one time

it is about the current Venezuela vs current Guyana under the rule of jackass Granger.

There are no jobs for them to return to, and everone else is a seller, sellers selling to other sellers. 

More sellers than buyers,everyone wants a piece of the pie.

Django
RiffRaff posted:
Nehru posted:

Very SOON Guyana will be worst than Venezuela!!!!!!!!!!

only if Jagdeo becomes Prez

yOU REALLY NEED HELP WITH facts, figure AND reality. mEH NEIGHBA USED TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU. STUPIDEE bILL WAS ONE OF THEM.0:0;0;0;0;0;;00;

Nehru
Drugb posted:

These people in for a surprise if they think PNC Guyana is any better than Venezuela. 

Druggie how come they didn't return under the "great" days of Jagdeo?  In fact many of them probably fled there during that era.  According to you life under Jagdeo was so great that even thousands of Bahamians and Caymanians flocked to Guyana to get the high salaries being paid.

In fact even Canadians and Germans flocked to Guyana for a better life!

FM
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Drugb posted:
 

There are no jobs for them to return to, and everone else is a seller, sellers selling to other sellers. 

Well at least there is something to sell in Guyana unlike Venezuela, and thousands of Cubans are flocking to Guyana to buy panties and bras.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

There are no jobs for them to return to, and everone else is a seller, sellers selling to other sellers. 

Well at least there is something to sell in Guyana unlike Venezuela, and thousands of Cubans are flocking to Guyana to buy panties and bras.

They are there every week,Guyana is the destination for the Cuban suitcase traders.

Django
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

These people in for a surprise if they think PNC Guyana is any better than Venezuela. 

Druggie how come they didn't return under the "great" days of Jagdeo?  In fact many of them probably fled there during that era.  According to you life under Jagdeo was so great that even thousands of Bahamians and Caymanians flocked to Guyana to get the high salaries being paid.

In fact even Canadians and Germans flocked to Guyana for a better life!

During Jagdeo time oil price was in the 150 range per barrel. Venezuela and Trinidad were hot economies.  Never head of Bahamians or Caymanians flocking to Guyana for jobs, someone must have spiked your govt subsidized ensure. 

What we saw under Jagdeo was an influx of entrepreneurs who came to take advantage of a thriving middle class with disposable income to spend. Even during Ramoutar time we saw an influx of Indian and Chinese restaurants.  There was even a French restaurant that opened in GT, I am sure most have closed their door under PNC hardtimes in the past two years. 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

There are no jobs for them to return to, and everone else is a seller, sellers selling to other sellers. 

Well at least there is something to sell in Guyana unlike Venezuela, and thousands of Cubans are flocking to Guyana to buy panties and bras.

They are not there to by locally manufactured products, they are buying 3rd party products from China. 

That will soon dryup as jackass Granger has now driven the US dollar too high with his idiotic policies. His grandpa persona no longer works, people want economic growth, not never ending SARU investigations that end up as dry gulch. 

With the shortage of US dollars on the local market, importers will not be able to bring in their cheap chinese products to sell to the Cubans. 

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

These people in for a surprise if they think PNC Guyana is any better than Venezuela. 

Druggie how come they didn't return under the "great" days of

During Jagdeo time oil price was in the 150 range per barrel. Venezuela and Trinidad were hot economies.  Never head of Bahamians or Caymanians flocking to Guyana for jobs, someone must have spiked your govt subsidized ensure. 

What we saw under Jagdeo was an influx of entrepreneurs who came to take advantage of a thriving middle class with disposable income to spend. 

like Flip

FM
Drugb posted:
. Never head of Bahamians or Caymanians flocking to Guyana for jobs, someone must have spiked your govt subsidized ensure. 

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Exactly but reading your praises to him, as you grovel and genuflect to your deity one would think so.  And in fact so dumb are you that you didn't even get my sarcasm.

And of course only you think that Chinese restaurants are a sign of progress in an economy whose fortunes were based on the export of unprocessed commodities sold to preferential markets and inflated prices.  And of course the money laundering which was rampant under the PPP, as any kid will tell you as he sees all of those EMPTY high rise buildings in G/T.

Guyana was a waste of time with Guyanese fleeing to tiny islands that they couldn't even find on a map. I mean Guyanese flocking to Saba!  THIS was your Jagdeo!  The wealth landed in the hands of a tiny oligarchy and the rest had to flee to volcanic peaks and coral reefs to cut grass and wash toilets and to be treated as scum by the local immigration officials!  Yes some being allowed to sell in tourist stores if they gave the owners a piece.

Yes PPP supporters ordered to the back of the bus in Barbados, or told to stand if they weren't seats. Others in Trinidad deported when they asked for their pay, or in a few instances even murdered for making such a simple request. 

Guyanese men trafficked to be semi slaves all over the Caribbean, and the women trafficked as a cheaper version of the Colombian and Dominicano women. THAT was Guyana under YOUR "Jag de ho",

FM
Drugb posted:
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That will soon dryup as jackass Granger has now driven the US dollar too high with his idiotic policies..

I was under the impression that he drove US dollar too LOW as the GUY$ tumbles in value. This makes Guyana even CHEAPER for Cubans, so MORE will come.

Let me make it as simple as I can for some one with the knowledge base of a 6 y/o kid. If a Cuban can get MORE GUY$ with his US$ than Guyana becomes CHEAPER!

FM
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Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

These people in for a surprise if they think PNC Guyana is any better than Venezuela. 

Druggie how come they didn't return under the "great" days of Jagdeo?  In fact many of them probably fled there during that era.  According to you life under Jagdeo was so great that even thousands of Bahamians and Caymanians flocked to Guyana to get the high salaries being paid.

In fact even Canadians and Germans flocked to Guyana for a better life!

During Jagdeo time oil price was in the 150 range per barrel. Venezuela and Trinidad were hot economies.  Never head of Bahamians or Caymanians flocking to Guyana for jobs, someone must have spiked your govt subsidized ensure. 

What we saw under Jagdeo was an influx of entrepreneurs who came to take advantage of a thriving middle class with disposable income to spend. Even during Ramoutar time we saw an influx of Indian and Chinese restaurants.  There was even a French restaurant that opened in GT, I am sure most have closed their door under PNC hardtimes in the past two years. 

I think you need some of that subsidized ensure given your brain is apparently under-functioning. Guyana's unemployment was always in the high 20's all through the last two decades and besides the influx of predator multinational companies coming in to bleed the nation in the extraction industries there was no growth industry in any sector, agriculture manufacturing etc. Income was on borrowing, remission and money generated by the predators as they spent to facilitate their predation. Growth of restaurants is not a sign of vibrant industry. It is a  lot of shady people who are focused on low capital investment in a sector that is at best hit or miss with short shelf life. They add nothing to the nations net assets but are expatriate owned and are scavenging cash for foreign deposits.

FM
caribny posted

Exactly but reading your praises to him, as you grovel and genuflect to your deity one would think so.  And in fact so dumb are you that you didn't even get my sarcasm.

And of course only you think that Chinese restaurants are a sign of progress in an economy whose fortunes were based on the export of unprocessed commodities sold to preferential markets and inflated prices.  And of course the money laundering which was rampant under the PPP, as any kid will tell you as he sees all of those EMPTY high rise buildings in G/T.

Guyana was a waste of time with Guyanese fleeing to tiny islands that they couldn't even find on a map. I mean Guyanese flocking to Saba!  THIS was your Jagdeo!  The wealth landed in the hands of a tiny oligarchy and the rest had to flee to volcanic peaks and coral reefs to cut grass and wash toilets and to be treated as scum by the local immigration officials!  Yes some being allowed to sell in tourist stores if they gave the owners a piece.

Yes PPP supporters ordered to the back of the bus in Barbados, or told to stand if they weren't seats. Others in Trinidad deported when they asked for their pay, or in a few instances even murdered for making such a simple request. 

Guyanese men trafficked to be semi slaves all over the Caribbean, and the women trafficked as a cheaper version of the Colombian and Dominicano women. THAT was Guyana under YOUR "Jag de ho",

Claims of money laundering etc are not substantiated by any arrests or hard evidence. In fact this the the tune that the PNC has been singing for years and you have been repeating like a monkey.  Every time an Indian builds a house, you claim money laundering, every time an Indian open a business you shout money laundering, but no evidence is provided. 

The rest is hogwash, Guyanese will always seek out new opportunities elsewhere. In fact one poster refuted your lies when he noticed that Black Bajans were actually working as shop assist for Indians. 

FM

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