Fidel's wife Dalia and her three eldest sons look on as his urn leaves Havana for Santiago de Cuba, his new home.
SOURCE: OnCuba
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Never hear much about his family
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Was he cremated as a Hindu?? Looks like his sons shaved their heads LOL.
Guess the man wants to make sure he will be born again.
One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Bibi Haniffa posted:One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Wow!
A lot of people beat!
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Chief posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Wow!
A lot of people beat!
Think, boy. THINK. Joey Jagan was born in 1949. Fidel Castro was a political unknown in 1949. There should be absolutely no insinuation that Fidel screwed and impregnated Joey's mother. Cheddi was a virile man in his youth, but a one-woman man.
Lets not go down that road folks i am dead serious
Bibi Haniffa posted:One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Are you casting aspersion on Cheddi or is it Janet?
Mitwah posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Are you casting aspersion on Cheddi or is it Janet?
You better listen to the bossman or you get canned again, maybe you love the dog house.
Salute to Comrade Castro. RIP
kp posted:Mitwah posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Are you casting aspersion on Cheddi or is it Janet?
You better listen to the bossman or you get canned again, maybe you love the dog house.
Teacha bai, are you stupid or just making a special effort today?
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Fidel Castro was once married to Mirta Diaz whose family was close to Batista. This was Fidel's only marriage. They had one son, Fidelito who studied in Moscow and has a Phd in Physics. He worked in the energy sector in Cuba. Fidel was known to have had affairs with several women and children were born but Fidel insisted on keeping his private life out of the public arena. Dalia seen in the photo was Fidel's paramour for many years after Mirta left for Spain in the early 1960's. She shared his home where the boys grew up.The three men are believed to be Fidel's sons from his long time affair with Dalia. There was a daughter whose mother was a Cuban actress. One of Fidel's female companion during the days in the Sierra Maestra was the famous guerrila fighter, Celia Sanchez.....
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Churchill,
Thanks for the info. It is important for the elders/statesmen to present these historical pieces of information to us.
Gil is also a source of these types of information.
Yuji22
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kp posted:Mitwah posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:One of them resemble Joey Jagan. I am wondering.........ok then......never mind!
Are you casting aspersion on Cheddi or is it Janet?
You better listen to the bossman or you get canned again, maybe you love the dog house.
KP
Please give Mits a break, he has been behaving well lately and I hope that he keeps up with his good behaviour.
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Last night Fidel's procession stopped in Santa Clara province where the remains of Che Guevara lie in a mausoleum. The urn containing Fidel's ashes was placed next to Che's remains for the night. This morning the procession continued eastwards.
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Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
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Gil,
Thanks for info.
Did Fildel and Che fought side by side ? Please clarify.
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Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
The AFC/PNC should have sent these two statesmen instead of dem Katahars in Guyana.
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yuji22 posted:Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
The AFC/PNC should have sent these two statesmen instead of dem Katahars in Guyana.
They will be branded as communist sympathizers. On their return, they would have been tracked.
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Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
Prime Minister Moses V. Nagamootoo.
Oh Rass waan Namakaram Crabdaag representing Guyana. well NOW Guyana really gone to DOGS!!!!!!!!!!
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yuji22 posted:Gil,
Thanks for info.
Did Fildel and Che fought side by side ? Please clarify.
Raul Castro introduced Che to Fidel in 1955 in Mexico. Che joined Fidel's guerrilla group and they set sail for Cuba on the GRANMA yacht on November 30, 1956. Che fought with Fidel in the Sierra Maestra mountains, distinguished himself in battle, and was given command of one army while Raul commanded another. In December 1958 in Santa Clara, Che carried out a spectacular attack on a train that was carrying reinforcements for Batista's forces. That event turned the tide and brought about a swift Fidelista victory.
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Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
The official Guyana representatives were PM Nagamootoo and Chief PPP whip Gail Texiera....
I was invited by Cuban friends to attend but circumstances prevented me from doing so at this time ...Will be there for the New Year celebrations .....
Che fought side by side with Fidel in the Cuban Revolution to overthrow Batista. And I think again in the Bay of Pigs invasion when they defeated the US in the attempted assassination of Fidel.
These men were true revolutionaries. They were fearless and loyal to their cause.
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PM Nagamootoo and Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega at Fidel's farewell rally in Havana.
Gilbakka posted:Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
Prime Minister Moses V. Nagamootoo.
How inappropriate!!! Castro did not like cowards and Neemaks. He was a very loyal man to his country.
Look at that Shameless Namakaran Crabdaag!!! A PARASITE sucking the BLOOD of the Guyanese people with a smile!!!!!!!!!!!
Gilbakka posted:PM Nagamootoo and Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega at Fidel's farewell rally in Havana.
He looks Spanish deh Bhai. 
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Nehru posted:Look at that Shameless Namakaran Crabdaag!!! A PARASITE sucking the BLOOD of the Guyanese people with a smile!!!!!!!!!!!
Dinosaurs Neemakharam Crabdawg Moses and Communists Ortega.
Birds of the same feather flock together.
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Churchill posted:Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
The official Guyana representatives were PM Nagamootoo and Chief PPP whip Gail Texiera....
I was invited by Cuban friends to attend but circumstances prevented me from doing so at this time ...Will be there for the New Year celebrations .....
Wow, Churchy will be celebrating New Year's in Havana and enjoying the high life. I had a photo of Fidel and a handsome Corentyne stalwart in khaki uniform in Havana in 1960s. 
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Leonora posted:Wow, Churchy will be celebrating New Year's in Havana and enjoying the high life. I had a photo of Fidel and a handsome Corentyne stalwart in khaki uniform in Havana in 1960s.
Post it na Bhai.
All dem communists are flocking together.
Mitwah posted:Gilbakka posted:PM Nagamootoo and Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega at Fidel's farewell rally in Havana.
He looks Spanish deh Bhai.
One is a freedom fighter who risked his life for his country. The other is a coward who sold his country to the devil for two pieces of silver.
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To make it very clear: Moses is the Judas. A real scum on mother earth.
Bibi Haniffa posted:Mitwah posted:Gilbakka posted:PM Nagamootoo and Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega at Fidel's farewell rally in Havana.
He looks Spanish deh Bhai.
One is a freedom fighter who risked his life for his country. The other is a coward who sold his country to the devil for two pieces of silver.
You got that RIGHT and what a SHAMELESS PARASITE he is!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yuji22 posted:To make it very clear: Moses is the Judas. A real scum on mother earth.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!! They dont come more stinking than that!!!!!!!!!!!
yuji22 posted:Nehru posted:Look at that Shameless Namakaran Crabdaag!!! A PARASITE sucking the BLOOD of the Guyanese people with a smile!!!!!!!!!!!
Dinosaurs Neemakharam Crabdawg Moses and Communists Ortega.
Birds of the same feather flock together.
Moses is no longer a communist. He is an Obama capitalist now. He took a big chance standing there next to Maduro's best friend and confidante. Ortega was a master gunslinger in his guerilla warfare days and can take you out in a moment's notice.
Cuba is a military dictatorship disguised as a civilian outfit.
Prashad posted:Cuba is a military dictatorship disguised as a civilian outfit.
Guyana is no different NOW!!!!!!!!!!
Agree. But my issue is getting an independent sovereign country for Guyanese East Indians so that is not my focus.
Bhai, I am not in agreement with that. I would rather see people stand up and be counted. As Malcolm said " By any means necessary"
Look how pragmatic the Vietnamese and Chinese have been and how successful they have become. Cuba and North Korea have not been able to prosper because of their refusal to acknowledge that their economic system is inefficient. Cuba needs to break with the past and reform the economy. Human rights is a big issue as well as democracy.
Nehru posted:Bhai, I am not in agreement with that. I would rather see people stand up and be counted. As Malcolm said " By any means necessary"
Nehru if you like paying, bribing and praying to Guyanese Africans for your survival and your human rights in Guyana to be respected then by all means be my guest. But this koolie here refuse to bow to terror and racial hate. The only way out for the East Indian people of Guyana is to have an independent sovereign country with their own army and various mechanisms in place to protect our people on the South American continent . Anything less than that is a waste of time and resources.
Prashad posted:Nehru posted:Bhai, I am not in agreement with that. I would rather see people stand up and be counted. As Malcolm said " By any means necessary"
Nehru if you like paying, bribing and praying to Guyanese Africans for your survival and your human rights in Guyana to be respected then by all means be my guest. But this koolie here refuse to bow to terror and racial hate. The only way out for the East Indian people of Guyana is to have an independent sovereign country with their own army and various mechanisms in place to protect our people on the South American continent . Anything less than that is a waste of time and resources.
Don't you get tired of repeating the same shit over and over?
I will repeat it until I take my last breath so that every East Indian child and every dougla child in Guyana can repeat it word for word.
Prashad posted:I will repeat it until I take my last breath so that every East Indian child and every dougla child in Guyana knows it word for word.
Why don't you go there and do something instead of wasting your breath?
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Gilbakka posted:. Cheddi was a virile man in his youth, but a one-woman man.
Rumor has it that Burnham also used to share his duties to Janet. Not in the marital bed. At the seawall. This is why Burnham is Joey's godfather. For a while there Janet was worried that he might have been the actual father.
I am doing my part right here.
Prashad posted:I am doing my part right here.
Which amounts to zero. Thanks
You are entitled to your opinion Mars. Prashad believes in democracy.
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Prashad posted:You are entitled to your opinion Mars. Prashad believes in democracy.
Mars believes in PNC dictatorship..grainjaw and assoc.
skeldon_man posted:Prashad posted:You are entitled to your opinion Mars. Prashad believes in democracy.
Mars believes in PNC dictatorship..grainjaw and assoc.
Mars will never be a fan of dictators. The PPP was hugging up the Dictator Burnham for years and conning y'all fools. Giving him Critical Support and trying to form a National Front government with the PNC. Dictators like Castro are y'all best friends.
It is not a matter of if. It is just a matter of when Guyanese East Indians douglas who embrace their Indian heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people get their own independent sovereign country. When that day happens I hope that they chose a scandinavian model of democracy and a free society.
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Prashad posted:It is not a matter of if. It is just a matter of when Guyanese East Indians douglas who embrace their Indian heritage and allies of the Guyanese East Indian people get their own independent sovereign country. When that day happens I hope that they chose a scandinavian model of democracy and a free society.
OK. Your wife yelled and you again and banished you to your man cave, so now you engage in creating a magic world where only Indians will be allowed.
Your wife done tell you that she en gun live in no coolie country.
Carib I love my wife that is something I have no apologies for. It is foolishness to believe that African Guyanese who have fought for the last 400 years for the right to be ruled by their own people will just somehow accept an East Indian ruling over them.
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Prashad posted:Carib I love my wife that is something I have no apologies for. It is foolishness to believe that African Guyanese who have fought for the last 400 years for the right to be ruled by their own people will just somehow accept an East Indian ruling over them.
Here is what a major Portuguese businessman, who shows no love for blacks, as he hires few of them said.
Africans want fairness. If they feel that they will be treated fairly they don't care who rules. In 1953 they went to vote for Cheddi. Cheddi is NOT an African.
Indians don't want "to be ruled by black man". They will tolerate any misrule provided that "they aren't being ruled by black man".
You cannot mention even ONE instance when more than 10% of Indians have supported a non Indian. In 1953 Africans voted for an Indian, even though John Carter, a man of part African ancestry, and who led a black identified party. I will remind you that the League of Colored People, was an organization that aimed to improve the lot of Afro Guyanese. In 1953 the UDP, an affiliate organization, contested in the elections. Afro Guyanese instead voted for Cheddi.
Feel free to attempt to justify Indian clannishness by pretending that an equivalent African clannishness exists.
The UDP was seen by the majority of Africans in British Guiana as representing the red man while the PPP at that time had brilliant African Guyanese. That is why without the cream of African Guyanese in the PPP in the 1960s there were few Africans supporting them.
Churchill posted:Leonora posted:Gil and Churchill should have attended the funeral. Did Guyana send any representatives?
The official Guyana representatives were PM Nagamootoo and Chief PPP whip Gail Texiera....
I was invited by Cuban friends to attend but circumstances prevented me from doing so at this time ...Will be there for the New Year celebrations .....
Halim reuniting with his old comrades.
Prashad posted:I will repeat it until I take my last breath so that every East Indian child and every dougla child in Guyana can repeat it word for word.
Now why de rass you want waste other people dem time by having dem, like you, repeating shyte and never having anything come of it.
Like I said before it is not a matter of if it is just a matter of when East Indians of Guyana get their own independent sovereign country. It may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen.
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Yesterday afternoon, December 1, the funeral procession reached the province of CamagÞey, crossing the fertile plains of this region to receive a moving salute from the population along the Central Highway, and during an evening vigil in the capital city's Ignacio Agramonte Plaza de la RevoluciÃģn.
SOURCE: GRANMA
Cubans will wake up and discover that under Fidel the world has gone ahead and left them behind.
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Look how pragmatic the Vietnamese and Chinese have been and how successful they have become. Cuba and North Korea have not been able to prosper because of their refusal to acknowledge that their economic system is inefficient. Cuba needs to break with the past and reform the economy. Human rights is a big issue as well as democracy.
Ever heard about embargo my friend? Why is it as an American I cannot be allowed to visit? I thought we had freedom of travel here.
VVP posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:Look how pragmatic the Vietnamese and Chinese have been and how successful they have become. Cuba and North Korea have not been able to prosper because of their refusal to acknowledge that their economic system is inefficient. Cuba needs to break with the past and reform the economy. Human rights is a big issue as well as democracy.
Ever heard about embargo my friend? Why is it as an American I cannot be allowed to visit? I thought we had freedom of travel here.
The embargo has taken a major toll on Cuba's economy. There is no doubt about that. The US have had terrible relationship with many countries in this hemisphere going back to the last two hundred years, but none has been this nasty for so long. I would say the US needs to stop pressuring this country to submit to its whims and wishes. Cuba should also make meaningful changes that will bring more freedoms to the Cuban people and benefits to the economy. Cuba has been punished unfairly not necessarily because of its ideology and undemocratic rule - Cuba has been paying price for successfully defying the U.S. by thwarting every effort by the CIA to remove Castro. Many observers believe the US had no interest in democraticizing Cuba as was the case with Nicaragua under the Somoza Dynasty. The very attempt to topple Castro in 1961 indicated to the Cubans that the use was not interested in removing Fidel by elections but a fast Latin type coup and end of story. The Jagan gov't was brought down by the longest general strike in world history. They even confessed it was the most inexpensive operation the CIA ever carried out in removing a national gov't.
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:The embargo has taken a major toll on Cuba's economy.
This is why even though the people in Cuba are relatively poor they are content because they understand the effects of the embargo. Cuba needs free elections but the US needs to keep it hands out. It not like Cuba is involved in drug running.
Nicaragua was a pain in the US side but it looks like Ortega has been winning free elections for the past decade. Let the people decide!
VVP posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:The embargo has taken a major toll on Cuba's economy.
This is why even though the people in Cuba are relatively poor they are content because they understand the effects of the embargo. Cuba needs free elections but the US needs to keep it hands out. It not like Cuba is involved in drug running.
Nicaragua was a pain in the US side but it looks like Ortega has been winning free elections for the past decade. Let the people decide!
Knowing how much they hate Fidel if they have to spend US$1 billion to remove him in free elections they would. The Cubans know this. Free elections in Cuba involving Fidel would resulted in so much intervention by the Americans that it would risk a major internal conflict.
A cuban American told me that he was arrested and sent to prison for putting up an antenna in his yard to catch American radio stations so that he can listen to American music. His neighbours had reported him to the authorities. Not even Burnham ever did that.
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Prashad posted:A cuban American told me that he was arrested and sent to prison for putting up an antenna in his yard to catch American radio stations so that he can listen to American music. His neighbours had reported him to the authorities. Not even Burnham ever did that.
And Burnham never banned people from travelling to Cuba also. See Burnham was better than the US
Burnham was not a brutal dictator.
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Prashad posted:The UDP was seen by the majority of Africans in British Guiana as representing the red man while the PPP at that time had brilliant African Guyanese. That is why without the cream of African Guyanese in the PPP in the 1960s there were few Africans supporting them.
Just about every black person has a red person in their family and there is virtually no cultural difference. A red man is a light skinned black man. In fact no one can tell you at what point one is not black, but red instead. Some will call Granger red, but he calls himself black, while the darker Trotman calls himself mixed.
Just accept the fact. Blacks will sooner accept an Indian leader if they think that they will be fair than an Indian will accept a black leader.
Indians have yet to prove that they will select a black leader over an Indian one, so the notion that Indians view black voting patterns as more racist is a big joke.
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VVP posted:Prashad posted:A cuban American told me that he was arrested and sent to prison for putting up an antenna in his yard to catch American radio stations so that he can listen to American music. His neighbours had reported him to the authorities. Not even Burnham ever did that.
And Burnham never banned people from travelling to Cuba also. See Burnham was better than the US
Castro was a far more brutal dictator than Burnham.
1. Burnham allowed elections, even though he rigged them massively. So this allowed a framework for an opposition party to exist and to be quite vocal.
2. Castro arrests all his opponents, and up to the 70s sent many to firing squad. Had Burnham been like Castro Janet would have been a dead woman.
3. Even though Burnham did make life difficult for opposition media, by denying them access to print and paper these papers were sold openly in Guyana. Stabroek News, Catholic Standard, and Caribbean Contact were very popular as was Radio Antilles. Clearly only senior civil servants were punished for accessing those media outlets.
3. Burnham never prevents ordinary people from leaving. In fact it was mainly senior black officials, who fell out with him, who he sought to punish by denying them the ability to leave, and in fact many eventually were able to go.
4. Burnham harassed the private sector, but didn't prevent it from operating. Now that Castro "opened" the economy Cuba is now like what Guyana was during the worst of Burnham.
Those who praise Castro and cuss Burnham are hypocrites. They were both dictators with huge egos. Castro was a good deal more efficient and ruthless in persecuting those who he didn't like than Burnham was. He never set up those busy body neighborhood spy groups that Castro did.
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:. The Cubans know this. Free elections in Cuba involving Fidel would resulted in so much intervention by the Americans that it would risk a major internal conflict.
Do you know that Burnham used the same excuse for rigging?
Dictators always justify their brutality.
Who is Castro to decide who the ordinary Cubans will vote for? If Castro was doing good than he would have won. The problem was that he knew full well that he wasn't, and that many think that he has destroyed the country.
In fact Maurice Bishop was planning to hold elections in Grenada, wanting to be known as a legitimate leader. Castro ordered goons within his party to kill him. Note that Bishop was killed by HIS fellow party members. NOT by the US forces which intervened as Grenada fell into a blood bath with Grenadian soldiers shooting their own people, including Bishop, in cold blood.
THAT is Fidel Castro. Had the PPP won he would have ordered Cheddi to eliminate his opposition, and Cheddi would have eagerly complied.
In fact when Bouterse saw what Castro did in Grenada he immediately ordered them out of Suriname, fearing a similar fate.
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caribny posted:In fact Maurice Bishop was planning to hold elections in Grenada, wanting to be known as a legitimate leader. Castro ordered goons within his party to kill him.
Another fact straight from the sluice hole.
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VVP posted:caribny posted:In fact Maurice Bishop was planning to hold elections in Grenada, wanting to be known as a legitimate leader. Castro ordered goons within his party to kill him.
Another fact straight from the sluice hole.
This is a known fact, but the little communist that you are will deny this.
FACT.
1. The USA said that it will recognize the Bishop administration if it held elections. Bishop decided to do so.
2. Hardliners in the NJM movement aligned with Castro objected, on the instructions from Castro.
3. Bishop knew that most Grenadians had benefitted, and was confident of victory.
4. The hardliners than moved to eliminate him, as they knew that Bishop, and not them were popular.
5. When they shot and killed Bishop in cold blood, Grenadians staged street marches. The hardliners shot and killed people in cold blood and staged a curfew.
6. When the US invaded, the majority of Grenadians welcomed them. Had the US invaded with Bishop in power they would have rejected them.
Now continue with your Nancy story that Castro didn't have anything to do with events in Grenada. In fact when the US invaded it was the Cubans and not Grenadians, who were shooting back!
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Show me where Castro supported Bernard Coard over Maurice Bishop? Where is that document even if it is propaganda.
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VVP posted:Show me where Castro supported Bernard Coard over Maurice Bishop? Where is that document even if it is propaganda.
This is a well known fact. If you don't know that is really your issue.
FACT. Bouterse tossed the Cubans out of Suriname when he saw happened to Bishop.
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caribny posted:VVP posted:Show me where Castro supported Bernard Coard over Maurice Bishop? Where is that document even if it is propaganda.
This is a well known fact. If you don't know that is really your issue.
Like I said straight from the hole.
caribny posted:Prashad posted:The UDP was seen by the majority of Africans in British Guiana as representing the red man while the PPP at that time had brilliant African Guyanese. That is why without the cream of African Guyanese in the PPP in the 1960s there were few Africans supporting them.
Just about every black person has a red person in their family and there is virtually no cultural difference. A red man is a light skinned black man. In fact no one can tell you at what point one is not black, but red instead. Some will call Granger red, but he calls himself black, while the darker Trotman calls himself mixed.
Just accept the fact. Blacks will sooner accept an Indian leader if they think that they will be fair than an Indian will accept a black leader.
Indians have yet to prove that they will select a black leader over an Indian one, so the notion that Indians view black voting patterns as more racist is a big joke.
The fact that the carib is on here every day bashing East Indians clearly illustrates my point. Folks, the carib does not like a koolie ruling over Africans. He is a product of 400 years of the African fight to be ruled by Africans.
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Prashad posted:.The fact that the carib is on here every day bashing East Indians clearly illustrates my point. Folks, the carib does not like a koolie ruling over Africans. He is a product of 400 years of the African fight to be ruled by Africans.
So what do I say about Indians that is bad.
Compare that to others who brand blacks as lazy, useless, criminal and incompetent.
In fact you consider creole culture to be a degraded culture created by criminals. Of course you than marry a creole woman.
The state that you are in due to your fear of your creole wife is truly pitiable. I bet that you have yet to tell her that you want your kids to have nothing to do with her culture!
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VVP posted:Show me where Castro supported Bernard Coard over Maurice Bishop? Where is that document even if it is propaganda.
A few months before Maurice Bishop's untimely death, during discussions at Freedom House, some senior PPP members had expressed the view that Bernard Coard was more Marxist-Leninist than Bishop. When Bishop was killed on October 19, 1983, the pro-Coard PPPites shut up tight. The next morning I went to Freedom House to wish Janet Jagan a happy birthday. She told me: "This is the worse day of my life."
I think it's a stretch to say that Fidel had a hand in Bishop's death. Everything I've read about the events on October 19 tells me that things got out of control and Coard and Hudson-Austin just lost their power-drunk minds.
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Gilbakka posted:VVP posted:Show me where Castro supported Bernard Coard over Maurice Bishop? Where is that document even if it is propaganda.
A few months before Maurice Bishop's untimely death, during discussions at Freedom House, some senior PPP members had expressed the view that Bernard Coard was more Marxist-Leninist than Bishop. When Bishop was killed on October 19, 1983, the pro-Coard PPPites shut up tight. The next morning I went to Freedom House to wish Janet Jagan a happy birthday. She told me: "This is the worse day of my life."
I think it's a stretch to say that Fidel had a hand in Bishop's death. Everything I've read about the events on October 19 tells me that things got out of control and Coard and Hudson-Austin just lost their power-drunk minds.
It was in fact the popularity of Maurice Bishop that protected the NJM in the minds of the Grenadian people, many of whom were ambivalent about Castro and Cuba.
It is the very Marxist Leninist orientation of Coard that led him to adopt a more Castroite view of the world and reject Bishop, who wanted a more Manley type of governance. Bishop was a social democrat in the way that Manley and Trudeau were.
Bishop was also wanting to reduce the presence in Grenada of the Cuban army officials, once the airport was completed.
When Bishop began moving to elections, confident that he would win Castro was NOT amused, given that he had rejected similar demands. He urged Coard to rid Grenada of Bishop. He promised them support if ridding Grenada resulted in open intervention by the USA. While Reagan reluctantly tolerated Bishop he was NOT going to tolerate a 2nd Soviet satellite in the Caribbean.
On the basis of this promise of protection and a fear of a democratic win solidifying Bishop's legitimacy in the eyes of the world Coard and others acted. And the rest is history.
When Grenadians went to rescue the very popular Maurice Bishop from jail they were shot down in the streets and a 24 hour curfew was immediately put in place with those not complying, being shot on the spot. Grenadians, not being accustomed to this, even under the dictator Gairy, begged for outside help.
Where were the many Cuban soldiers present at that time on the island? Protecting Coard and company, as Castro promised that they would do.
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Caribny - who is considered a hero in Cuba today Bishop or Coard? Banna that hole getting very big.
CaribJ
Stabroek News came on the scene after Burnham died.
Hugh Desmond Hoyte was the man who started to allow free press O ce again in Guyana.
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VVP posted:Caribny - who is considered a hero in Cuba today Bishop or Coard? Banna that hole getting very big.
Castro killed Bishop so if they see him as a hero what a set of hypocrites that you are.
They did NOTHING to rescue him, even as they fought against the US and Caribbean troops when they landed.
So why didn't the Cuban troops rescue Bishop?
VVP you are a communist fool who laps up all the lies that Castro tells you. If you have HBO on Demand there is a documentary on Cuba were Cubans discuss how frustrating life in Cuba is. Very reminiscent of Guyana in 1980!
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Chief posted:CaribJ
Stabroek News came on the scene after Burnham died.
Hugh Desmond Hoyte was the man who started to allow free press O ce again in Guyana.
WRONG. I left Guyana under Burnham and Stabroek News was very much there. What happened is that they eventually began to be printed in Trinidad, which was when they began to be more easily found, but they were in Guyana before Burnham died. Printing a few sheets when ever tey could find paper.
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Even Che, now celebrated in Cuba, was deliberately sent out to Bolivia by Fidel, who wanted him out of the way. When he was killed Castro wasn't upset.
Now I know that Fidel is your daddy, but he really really wasn't a nice man.
CaribJ
CHECK your facts.
Stabroek News came after Burnham died and yes they were printed in Trinidad for the first few editions. They started out S a weekly publication
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This morning at 7 o' clock Fidel's ashes were entombed near the remains of Cuba's national hero JosÃĐ Martà in Santiago de Cuba. A final farewell rally was held in that city last night. President RaÚl Castro told the mammoth gathering about Fidel's last wishes: no parks and other public places to be named after him, and no monuments, statues or busts too. No idol worship. RaÚl said Cuba's parliament will soon pass a law to enforce Fidel's last wishes. Picture shows a small section of the rally.
I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
One of Fidel final wishes, no naming of monuments in his honor. He came with a BANG and left with a whisper.
Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler was also a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
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Mars posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler was also a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
You talkin' houri and hassa.
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Mars posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler was also a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
The world was hunting Hitler whereas Fidel is respected the world over even in the USA.
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Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler did the same to his death....should you say hooray to him? Castro was a mentally ossified fool who caused great harm to come to his people simply because he could not bear to give in to facts that communism has failed an autarky is not possible in our modern world.We are interdependent and seeking to wall off one's self based on a dead ideology bury creativity. Havana is exactly the same as when the americans left, only broken down and showing 60 years of decay. Cubans are poor, struggling for an experience and the chant of the five heroes does not feed them. They need commerce, technology, ability to travel unrestricted, democracy.
VVP posted:Mars posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler was also a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
The world was hunting Hitler whereas Fidel is respected the world over even in the USA.
No doubt that there are Commie fools the world over who would have respect for even the most brutal dictators just because they poked their finger at the USA.
skeldon_man posted:Mars posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler was also a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
You talkin' houri and hassa.
I feel the same about all of them, eat shit and die.
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skeldon_man posted:Mars posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Hitler was also a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
You talkin' houri and hassa.
The comparisons are about her mention of "steel in character" not the racist utopian ideology. Castro was a narcissist and as all narcissists would broke no other competitive idea or leadership to grow in cuba. It remained a cocooned and stagnated state were people percolate in their imposed misery. There can be no excuse for what those people must endure because of the will of one man and his family.
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Danyael posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Castro was a mentally ossified fool who caused great harm to come to his people simply because he could not bear to give in to facts that communism has failed an autarky is not possible in our modern world.We are interdependent and seeking to wall off one's self based on a dead ideology bury creativity. Havana is exactly the same as when the americans left, only broken down and showing 60 years of decay. Cubans are poor, struggling for an experience and the chant of the five heroes does not feed them. They need commerce, technology, ability to travel unrestricted, democracy.
Is China communist? Cubans are struggling because of the USA embargo and they understand that that's why they are content.
Why doesn't the USA allow open travel to Cuba?
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VVP posted:Danyael posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:I do not agree with his governance. But he was a man of steel, who stuck to his guns, who lived what he believed in, who practiced what he preached. And there is something to be said for that. No one can take that away from him. He has made his mark in the history books. For good or for bad.
Castro was a mentally ossified fool who caused great harm to come to his people simply because he could not bear to give in to facts that communism has failed an autarky is not possible in our modern world.We are interdependent and seeking to wall off one's self based on a dead ideology bury creativity. Havana is exactly the same as when the americans left, only broken down and showing 60 years of decay. Cubans are poor, struggling for an experience and the chant of the five heroes does not feed them. They need commerce, technology, ability to travel unrestricted, democracy.
Is China communist? Cubans are struggling because of the USA embargo and they understand that that's why they are content.
Why doesn't the USA allow open travel to Cuba?
China is not a place poor Chinese want to be. My friend, a scientist at NIH said you need permission for internal movement. She told me that the bunnies we see running all around our homes where we live would not exist because some one would have made a meal of them. So needy it is she said that if you put your food down it is likely to be snatched away if you look away too long. People for the most part live in excruciating povery and even in Urban centers where life is good the environment is oppressive and living conditions harsh.
China exists on a hybrid economy. The south is capitalistic and the agency of the economy are friends and family of the central committee or political class. There people eke out a marginal life as a few get rich. China needs growth of around 10 percent yearly to get its people out of poverty in 2030. Most live on live than 2 dollars a day. It cannot maintain that and is at around 7 percent now and that is sustained by absolutely devastating environmental damage as it tries to produce cheep products for the west. Is you need to grasp what china means to freedom, use the Hong Kong Chinese as a measure. They would if they could seceded from the mainland. To that end I blame the British.
Indeed Cuba suffers because of the embargo but the embargo is in place because of its totalitarian political and antagonistic political regime so close to US borders.
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D2 there are place in the good ole USA you would not visit also. People could write all sort of negative stories about the USA also....like 5% of the world population but 25% of the world's inmates.
All estimate is that China economy will surpass the USA in the very near future.
No, I ain't a communist sympathizer, it is just that we need to deal with the facts.
I would not comment on this statement you made it is not worth it...just think about the tyrant the USA supported:
Indeed Cuba suffers because of the embargo but the embargo is in place because of its totalitarian political and antagonistic political regime so close to US borders.
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VVP posted:D2 there are place in the good ole USA you would not visit also. People could write all sort of negative stories about the USA also.
All estimate is that China economy will surpass the USA in the very near future.
No, I ain't a communist sympathizer, it is just that we need to deal with the facts.
I traveled this nation more than most. I have been to more than 20 this past election cycle and all by road because I have dogs. I know where there are pockets of abject poverty. However, nowhere in the US do the people rely on a measure of 3 dollars a day for food. It in fact feeds 47 million who do not make the 25k bread basket.
That does not happen in china where there are absolutely no social safety nets. Also,nowhere can the river or lake outside homes spontaneously combust because of its pollution from manufacturing neglect. China is a different place. It builds entire cities and have them turn to ghost cities like kangbashi because the people cannot afford to come it cannot support the the cost of living to populate them. Yet in other places the live in absolute squalor because it is economically viable.
The economy can be bigger but if it is built on the backs of poverty it would be one where the measure to the us is not possible. Chinese make iphones and cannot buy it. They live better lives only because they sell to the us cheaply.They create the fat poor Walmart crowd in the us
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