Don’t blame Ramjattan-President Granger.

President David Granger

July 14, 2017  Source

–President says minister inherited a broken prison system

NO blame should be attached to Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan for the two Georgetown Prison fires in March 2016 and last Sunday, President David Granger has said.
The President’s statement follows calls by the Opposition People’s Progressive Party’s (PPP) for Ramjattan to step down from his post. But President Granger reminded that the prison system has been plagued with problems for a long time, while noting that the problems are not a quick fix.

“It is quite unfortunate that Mr Ramjattan had to inherit a prison service which is in its present state,” the President told the Guyana Chronicle in an interview on Thursday.
He noted too that even while he was a member of the Disciplined Forces Commission 14 years ago, he was aware of the decrepit state of the infrastructure at all the country’s prison facilities.
Following the March 2016 fire which left 17 prisoners dead, the President and the Minister of Public Security visited the Mazaruni Prisons where an assessment of the infrastructure was done and plans made to have the facility expanded to accommodate more prisoners. “…he was with me last year, we visited Mazaruni and we knew what had to be done. I would not blame him, I think he has a very difficult ministry,” President Granger added.
Asked whether he believes the appointment of a junior minister to the Public Security Ministry would remove some of the pressures off Minister Ramjattan, the head-of-state said, “…the presence of a junior minister may not necessarily relieve him of the burden of the discrepant system.”
Granger made the point that each aspect of the security sector is faced with its own challenges, and as such, he is awaiting a report from his advisor on security on the way forward relative to reform of the force.
In the case of the Guyana Fire Service, the President noted the need for more equipment. “It is a high-expenditure ministry, but I would not attach any blame to him or any neglect of duty on his part. I think he is working very hard in a difficult situation,” Mr Granger asserted.

Meanwhile, on Wednesday, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo said Ramjattan should consider calls for him to resign following the second Camp Street penitentiary fire and jailbreak. Jagdeo labelled the minister as incompetent and said it would be best if the President asks Ramjattan to resign.
“He has to take responsibility just like in the past when they used to call on PPP ministers, when there was a problem… to resign,” said Jagdeo, who served as President during the 2002 jailbreak and other prison unrests.

However, on Sunday night, during a televised press conference aired on the National Communications Network (NCN), Ramjattan cast aside calls for him to demit office. When asked whether be believes he should step down, given the two fires which occurred just over a year apart, Ramjattan said he is not to be blamed as he did nothing wrong. “If there is a fault on my part; well, the President can do that… I would have resigned if it was a fault on my part,” Ramjattan told reporters.
He said too that because of the need to bailout the ailing sugar industry, large amounts were expended there and stressed that the government does not have the finances to construct a new facility immediately.

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Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

Also Ramjattan needs to do the right thing and demit his position as Minister of Home Affairs as he is as inept in this function as was Rohee.

Interesting that they put military men in all sorts of positions, some not even beginning to have a clue as to what to do, yet a position like this, which screams for the expertise that I presume that a high caliber military man should have, they put Ramjattan.

caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

the man just finished criticizing the Govt.....

skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

Carib is too nice to you people..this is where I woulda tell you about haul yo rass.The banna made a post against the Granger govt. So what part of it you got problems with?

RiffRaff posted:
skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

the man just finished criticizing the Govt.....

You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

caribny posted:

Also Ramjattan needs to do the right thing and demit his position as Minister of Home Affairs as he is as inept in this function as was Rohee.

Interesting that they put military men in all sorts of positions, some not even beginning to have a clue as to what to do, yet a position like this, which screams for the expertise that I presume that a high caliber military man should have, they put Ramjattan.

One of the few time I agree with you , dont jump for joy and expect a medal. Teach the other GNI brothers to be brave enough to criticize the PRESENT government .I am not here to shower praise, but to identify the faults of all government.

skeldon_man posted:
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You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

They did inherit a broken system just as they inherited a bankrupt Guysuco. You see you are too terrified that Jagdeo gives you a bytch slap to admit to these facts.

I can criticize Granger for making excuses instead of beginning to fix the problem. I can tell him that the only noises I want from his mouth is him itemizing what he has done.

You cannot admit the warts of the PPP.

kp posted:
. Teach the other GNI brothers to be brave enough to criticize the PRESENT government ...

Except for probably Mars none of us who supported the coalition government lavish praises on them today. In fact we are quite critical of them.

I look forward to the day when you tell Jagdeo to stop screaming about Guysuco in its current state and start to admit that it is where it is because HE destroyed it.  The first day Granger got into office Guysuco bellowed and screamed that it was going to lay off thousands of people and shut down operations unless it got an IMMEDIATE bail out.

caribny posted:
kp posted:
. Teach the other GNI brothers to be brave enough to criticize the PRESENT government ...

Except for probably Mars none of us who supported the coalition government lavish praises on them today. In fact we are quite critical of them.

I look forward to the day when you tell Jagdeo to stop screaming about Guysuco in its current state and start to admit that it is where it is because HE destroyed it.  The first day Granger got into office Guysuco bellowed and screamed that it was going to lay off thousands of people and shut down operations unless it got an IMMEDIATE bail out.

Ever so often your poor bruised ego is reminded of the last time it has been bytch slapped by Mars and you have to make up some bullshit lies to soothe it. Keep my name out of your Anansi stories and get on without involving me. When have you seen me "lavishing praises" on the current government? If you can retrieve what I just wrote about the prison situation or Guysuco, you'll see that my perspective is balanced and objective. My views are based on facts first and not race first like you and that's why you always have to take a dig at me, because I'm not of your skin tone. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. It has been tainted by forming alliances with too many non-blacks. You don't fool me in any way. Regardless of what you may say here, I know your kind and you're the most dangerous. It's no coincidence that Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are the ones you're most critical of in the current government.

Mars posted:
caribny posted:
 

. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. 

Really? And here was I hearing all about how its an "African government intent on punishing Indians". Most recently by "attempting to restrict the importation of Indian wear".

Now I told you that Moses would be side lined and I have been proven correct. I challenge you to prove that Moses has any impact an any aspect of governance in Guyana.  In fact they repeatedly make Ramjattan look like an idiot when his job should have been performed by someone with background to actually be effective.

BTW the notion of you bytch slapping me as a laugh.  You are as silly as Nehru and druggie with their slavish defense of the PPP. Instead you frequently post propaganda items for the coalition government.

And Mars you will note that I almost never mention Moses and Ramjattan, seeing that they are trivial and are of no consequence.

My criticisms are always aimed at Granger and especially at Harmon. When last I checked neither man was an Indian.

In fact I scarcely even refer to the coalition gov't, referring to what it is and that is an APNU regime.

caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
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You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

They did inherit a broken system just as they inherited a bankrupt Guysuco. You see you are too terrified that Jagdeo gives you a bytch slap to admit to these facts.

I can criticize Granger for making excuses instead of beginning to fix the problem. I can tell him that the only noises I want from his mouth is him itemizing what he has done.

You cannot admit the warts of the PPP.

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, a very convenient way of stripping out a "coolie" and from the AFC and replace with a "kit and kin" croonie from the PNC!

The inherited a "bankrupt" Guysuco?  Well the PPP inherited a bankrupt nation and this is when Guysuco still enjoyed subsidies!!

Baseman gone till whenever!!

ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
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You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

They did inherit a broken system just as they inherited a bankrupt Guysuco. You see you are too terrified that Jagdeo gives you a bytch slap to admit to these facts.

I can criticize Granger for making excuses instead of beginning to fix the problem. I can tell him that the only noises I want from his mouth is him itemizing what he has done.

You cannot admit the warts of the PPP.

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, a very convenient way of stripping out a "coolie" and from the AFC and replace with a "kit and kin" croonie from the PNC!

The inherited a "bankrupt" Guysuco?  Well the PPP inherited a bankrupt nation and this is when Guysuco still enjoyed subsidies!!

Baseman gone till whenever!!

You peep made a statement and gone !!!

caribny posted:
Mars posted:
caribny posted:
 

. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. 

Really? And here was I hearing all about how its an "African government intent on punishing Indians". Most recently by "attempting to restrict the importation of Indian wear".

Now I told you that Moses would be side lined and I have been proven correct. I challenge you to prove that Moses has any impact an any aspect of governance in Guyana.  In fact they repeatedly make Ramjattan look like an idiot when his job should have been performed by someone with background to actually be effective.

BTW the notion of you bytch slapping me as a laugh.  You are as silly as Nehru and druggie with their slavish defense of the PPP. Instead you frequently post propaganda items for the coalition government.

Yes, really. The reason why you vehemently objected to your beloved PNC merging with the AFC to contest the elections was because you're a militant black racist who wants power to be held exclusively in the hands of blacks. You could not stand the thought of the PNC forming alliances with Nagamootoo and Ramjattan. That is why you lambasted those men endlessly since the new government took over the reins. Anybody with half a brain could have predicted that Nagamootoo would be powerless in the coalition. The PNC did it before with D'Aguiar, and with Moses, it's just history repeating itself. That is their modus operandi and it's difficult for old dogs to learn new tricks. Since you love to be in the "I told you so" business, you also predicted that the coalition would lose to the PPP. How did that turn out? 

A bumbling cock eyed fool like you talking about being silly? Surely you jest. I can have an intelligent discussion/debate with anyone on this forum on just about any topic because my interests are varied and I see the world from a logical and fact based perspective. The only thing that you can talk about is race and that is coming from a severely biased angle. I still remember seeing some of the vile things you wrote on this forum many years ago and thinking what a racist prick you were. You're probably not so openly racist now because you want to fool people that you have an ounce of objectivity in you but you don't fool me. You will always be racist to the bone.

Mars posted:

Ever so often your poor bruised ego is reminded of the last time it has been bytch slapped by Mars and you have to make up some bullshit lies to soothe it. Keep my name out of your Anansi stories and get on without involving me. When have you seen me "lavishing praises" on the current government? If you can retrieve what I just wrote about the prison situation or Guysuco, you'll see that my perspective is balanced and objective. My views are based on facts first and not race first like you and that's why you always have to take a dig at me, because I'm not of your skin tone. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. It has been tainted by forming alliances with too many non-blacks. You don't fool me in any way. Regardless of what you may say here, I know your kind and you're the most dangerous. It's no coincidence that Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are the ones you're most critical of in the current government.

Don't lie, you got your nose stuck up Granger's ass.  CaribJ manage to pull his nose out but you seem to like the smell of dry shtye of a 72 year old. 

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Ever so often your poor bruised ego is reminded of the last time it has been bytch slapped by Mars and you have to make up some bullshit lies to soothe it. Keep my name out of your Anansi stories and get on without involving me. When have you seen me "lavishing praises" on the current government? If you can retrieve what I just wrote about the prison situation or Guysuco, you'll see that my perspective is balanced and objective. My views are based on facts first and not race first like you and that's why you always have to take a dig at me, because I'm not of your skin tone. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. It has been tainted by forming alliances with too many non-blacks. You don't fool me in any way. Regardless of what you may say here, I know your kind and you're the most dangerous. It's no coincidence that Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are the ones you're most critical of in the current government.

Don't lie, you got your nose stuck up Granger's ass.  CaribJ manage to pull his nose out but you seem to like the smell of dry shtye of a 72 year old. 

Shut the hell up. You're just like CaribJ. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. Carib will be a PNC racist to the day he dies. PNC is not for me. I held my nose and supported the Coalition Government because the PPP alternative was ten times worse and still people like you are licking Jagdeo's balls. 

The only person I know on this forum who literally swam in a pool of shit is you. Then you ran to the newspapers to broadcast that you just swam in shit. You're a special kind of stupid who must love the smell of shit more than anyone else here.

Mars posted:

Shut the hell up. You're just like CaribJ. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. Carib will be a PNC racist to the day he dies. PNC is not for me. I held my nose and supported the Coalition Government because the PPP alternative was ten times worse and still people like you are licking Jagdeo's balls. 

The only person I know on this forum who literally swam in a pool of shit is you. Then you ran to the newspapers to broadcast that you just swam in shit. You're a special kind of stupid who must love the smell of shit more than anyone else here.

You are incapable of hurting anyone's feelings due to your intellectual deficiency, an education not past 5th grade, causes you to mistake silt for shyte. Even Caribj surpass you with his 6th grade education.

The Demerara River is a river in eastern Guyana that rises in the central rainforests of the country and flows to the north for 346 kilometres until it reaches the Atlantic OceanGeorgetown, Guyana's largest seaport and capital, is situated on the east bank of the river's mouth. The Demerara's estuary is narrow and the flowrate is rapid. This scouring action maintains a 5-to-6-metre-deep direct channel to the ocean. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Shut the hell up. You're just like CaribJ. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. Carib will be a PNC racist to the day he dies. PNC is not for me. I held my nose and supported the Coalition Government because the PPP alternative was ten times worse and still people like you are licking Jagdeo's balls. 

The only person I know on this forum who literally swam in a pool of shit is you. Then you ran to the newspapers to broadcast that you just swam in shit. You're a special kind of stupid who must love the smell of shit more than anyone else here.

You are incapable of hurting anyone's feelings due to your intellectual deficiency, an education not past 5th grade, causes you to mistake silt for shyte. Even Caribj surpass you with his 6th grade education.

The Demerara River is a river in eastern Guyana that rises in the central rainforests of the country and flows to the north for 346 kilometres until it reaches the Atlantic OceanGeorgetown, Guyana's largest seaport and capital, is situated on the east bank of the river's mouth. The Demerara's estuary is narrow and the flowrate is rapid. This scouring action maintains a 5-to-6-metre-deep direct channel to the ocean. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

You barely made it to Saints and talking about intellect. Laughable!

Did you see me say anything about the cause of the river's color? Y'all come with all kinds of rigmarole arguments. You're just like CaribJ. Two bumbling fools.

Jackass, the Georgetown sewer system is emptied into the Demerara River without being treated. You were swimming in raw shit and enjoying it.

Mars posted:

You barely made it to Saints and talking about intellect. Laughable!

Did you see me say anything about the cause of the river's color? Y'all come with all kinds of rigmarole arguments. You're just like CaribJ. Two bumbling fools.

Jackass, the Georgetown sewer system is emptied into the Demerara River without being treated. You were swimming in raw shit and enjoying it.

Nonsense, it washes out to sea jackass, a river is constantly flowing. In fact the sewer empties at the Kitty foreshore at Vlissengen road. Even though jackass Granger gave you a paycheck, he did not give you enough information to continue fetching pnc slopcna. Using the same logic the entire sea is contaminated and no one should go to the beach. 

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

You barely made it to Saints and talking about intellect. Laughable!

Did you see me say anything about the cause of the river's color? Y'all come with all kinds of rigmarole arguments. You're just like CaribJ. Two bumbling fools.

Jackass, the Georgetown sewer system is emptied into the Demerara River without being treated. You were swimming in raw shit and enjoying it.

Nonsense, it washes out to sea jackass, a river is constantly flowing. In fact the sewer empties at the Kitty foreshore at Vlissengen road. Even though jackass Granger gave you a paycheck, he did not give you enough information to continue fetching pnc slopcna. Using the same logic the entire sea is contaminated and no one should go to the beach. 

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

The Admin knows who I am and I'll pledge my money with him. Finding all kinds of reasons now to back down, so who's the real wuss. What does my identity have to do with the place where GT empties its sewerage? You must have swallowed nuff PNC man from GT shit and smiling for the camera afterwards. Soon you gonna want to meet up with Carib and sniff his BT for more enjoyment.  

Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

The Admin knows who I am and I'll pledge my money with him. Finding all kinds of reasons now to back down, so who's the real wuss. What does my identity have to do with the place where GT empties its sewerage? You must have swallowed nuff PNC man from GT shit and smiling for the camera afterwards. Soon you gonna want to meet up with Carib and sniff his BT for more enjoyment.  

Who cares about admin, reveal your identity to me and we will bet.  Maybe you afraid that you will have to come out of the closet. 

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

The Admin knows who I am and I'll pledge my money with him. Finding all kinds of reasons now to back down, so who's the real wuss. What does my identity have to do with the place where GT empties its sewerage? You must have swallowed nuff PNC man from GT shit and smiling for the camera afterwards. Soon you gonna want to meet up with Carib and sniff his BT for more enjoyment.  

Who cares about admin, reveal your identity to me and we will bet.  Maybe you afraid that you will have to come out of the closet. 

OK PNC shit swallower. My name is Ramjohn Guptiwarie. Bet on.

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

OK PNC shit swallower. My name is Ramjohn Guptiwarie. Bet on.

My background search revealed that this is a fictitious used by the Granger administration to identify anonymous slop can carriers who are on the payroll. 

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

Mars posted:

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

There is no running, you jackass did not reveal your identity but you got the other anti man Lilmohan as your mouth piece. Please post your real name so I can verify your identity. Many of you cowards hide behind your keyboard and are cyber heroes. 

Deryck, you are full of shyte. You get angry when your slop cans arrive late with your decadent turdilicious piss & poop. This angst is why you have high BP. When was the last time you saw your GP for your congenital Anosmia? hahahahahahaha

Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

There is no running, you jackass did not reveal your identity but you got the other anti man Lilmohan as your mouth piece. Please post your real name so I can verify your identity. Many of you cowards hide behind your keyboard and are cyber heroes. 

There is no way for you to verify my identity by just seeing me post a name Jackass. You should have identified the fecal matter before you jumped in it. Did you verify the identity of any of Granger's logs?

ba$eman posted:

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, 

Given that all of you scream that Ramjattan is a "Congolover" and a traitor I can only ponder why you are disturbed by anyone claiming that he is inappropriate for his job.

In fact your hero Jagdeo screams daily that he is incompetent.

Do you think he is doing a good job?

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