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 Islamic State defections mount as death toll rises, U.S. official says

, USA TODAY 12:18 p.m. EST November 30, 2015

Defections of Islamic State fighters — a closely watched measure by officials of U.S.-led coalition — have begun to thin the ranks of the militants in Iraq in the last month, intelligence reports and drone footage show. USA TODAY

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WASHINGTON — Defections of Islamic State fighters — a closely watched measure by officials of U.S.-led coalition — have begun to thin the ranks of the militants in Iraq in the last month, intelligence reports and drone footage show.

Wholesale defections, sparsely manned checkpoints and elite foreign fighters pressed into mundane duty indicate that the U.S.-led bombing campaign and advances by Kurdish forces are eroding the forces of the Islamic State, also known as ISIL, said Army Col. Steve Warren, the top spokesman for the counter-ISIL coalition in Baghdad.

Top military officials estimate that the campaign has killed 23,000 Islamic State fighters, raising their death toll by 3,000 since mid-October. Army Gen. Lloyd Austin, who oversees U.S. military operations in the Middle East as chief of Central Command, told troops last week in Iraq that the campaign is inflicting maximum pain on the enemy, according to a military official who attended the meeting but who was not authorized to speak publicly about it.

Warren cautioned that evidence of Islamic State manpower shortages was largely anecdotal. When indicators are combined, however, they show strains on the group's fighting force, he said. Islamic State fighters continues to field about 20,000 to 30,000 fighters in Iraq and Syria, and they hold key Iraqi cities of Mosul and Ramadi, and large portions of Syria.

It's also too soon to tell if apparent strain on the group is a long-term trend, said Michael O'Hanlon, a military expert at the Brookings Institution. "I view those as provisional signs of progress," O'Hanlon said. "Individual metrics like  these can be deceptive, especially given the difficulty of measuring things accurately. I'd tend to agree with CENTCOM that these anecdotes and snippets of information sound promising, but just remain a bit more skeptical until we see some more indicators and see what happens when more time passes."

Near Kirkuk in the last week, 90 Islamic State fighters laid down their arms and turned themselves over to Kurdish peshmerga forces, Warren said. The former fighters were local men who had been coerced into joining the jihadists and have grown disillusioned with the cause or simply saw a way to quit the fight by turning themselves in.

The Kurds in Syria and Iraq, backed by U.S. airstrikes and advisers, have dealt ISIL blows recently on the battlefield. A peshmerga-led attack in northern Iraq two weeks ago seized the village of Sinjar, which sits astride a key highway and supply line for Islamic State forces. Meantime, over the last few days, Iraqi security forces completely surrounded Ramadi, capturing the last bridge jihadi fighters had used for resupply.

Another sign of reduced Islamic State manpower has been found at its road checkpoints, Warren said. Footage from surveillance drones shows fewer fighters manning those posts than in previous months. One result has been the ability of more civilians to escape Islamic State-held territory, he said, including a group of 22 people who recently fled Ramadi. That city has been held by the jihadists after a larger force fled without a fight.

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yuji22 posted:

This is the correct approach. Pound them until fatigue kicks in and they become demoralized. 

There must also be a program in place to integrate them back into civil society.

Nah nah nah. Kill them out.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
yuji22 posted:

This is the correct approach. Pound them until fatigue kicks in and they become demoralized. 

There must also be a program in place to integrate them back into civil society.

Nah nah nah. Kill them out.

Ow Bhai Skelly,

We must show compassion to those who are willing to change thier ways.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

They don't care. They are excited to meet seven virgins. Seriously, they should be vaporised off the face of the earth. Pound them even in their rabbit holes.

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FM

Do you realize the US has been fighting in Iraq for almost 25 years and there is no sign of resignation by the enemy?  ISIS replaced Al Qaeda as the most defiant force fighting the US  today. They have an oil-rich country of their own to plan major terrorist operations like what we recently witnessed in France.

Billy Ram Balgobin

The Russians started bombing in Syria about six weeks ago and look how much damage they have done to the terrorists since then. The Western press is largely keeping it secret from us.

Mr.T
Mr.T posted:

I see the US is taking credit for the results of the Russian bombings on isis.

Russia bombs Assad's enemies not ISIS. The US has dropped almost 4 times as many bombs on ISIS and targeted ones. The russian is in a habit of carpet bombing civillian areas also.

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Do you realize the US has been fighting in Iraq for almost 25 years and there is no sign of resignation by the enemy?  ISIS replaced Al Qaeda as the most defiant force fighting the US  today. They have an oil-rich country of their own to plan major terrorist operations like what we recently witnessed in France.

I assure you they will be gone and very soon. No one will let them hold ground. Obama does not want to put boots on the ground but the next President will

The US is also not in Iraq. They simply target bomb isis so others can move in. It is happening. Sinjar was crucial.

Iraquis and Syrians will have to redraw t heir maps.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Mr.T posted:

I see the US is taking credit for the results of the Russian bombings on isis.

Russia bombs Assad's enemies not ISIS. The US has dropped almost 4 times as many bombs on ISIS and targeted ones. The russian is in a habit of carpet bombing civillian areas also.

That's the claim spread by the Western press. In reallity the Russians have been bombing the isis oil smuggling route. Men and machine have been sent to see their maker. Many believe, and Putin has hinte dat that, that the shooting down of the SU-24 was partly an attempted warning by Turkey for the damage Russia is doing on isis.

Mr.T
Mr.T posted:

The Russians started bombing in Syria about six weeks ago and look how much damage they have done to the terrorists since then. The Western press is largely keeping it secret from us.

If you really believe in that I have the Wijdenbosch bridge to sell ya.

Kari
ksazma posted:

The sooner these militant Muslims are destroyed, the better is will be for the rest of us. Well not Baseman. He would only be happy when all Muslims are destroyed.

Nah boi, I have pretty non-Sharia muslim girl friend.  Shed Sharia and ISIS, baseman is ok!

FM
Mr.T posted:

The Russians started bombing in Syria about six weeks ago and look how much damage they have done to the terrorists since then. The Western press is largely keeping it secret from us.

Russia is hitting non-ISIS for now.  They are putting feelers out in the former Bathist Sunni population.  Remember, they built the Iraqi Sunni army, now the ISIS army.  They will separate them from the Saudi Wahab terrorist, cleanse them out, then go to Iran and Iraq with an offer of peace.  The Russians will own Iraq, Syria and Iran and eventually Yemen.  The Wahab clowns in Saudi and Qatar will be left nursing their wounds while Obama recovering from shock and awe!

Them bannas are not the best Chest players for nothing!

FM
baseman posted:
Mr.T posted:

The Russians started bombing in Syria about six weeks ago and look how much damage they have done to the terrorists since then. The Western press is largely keeping it secret from us.

Russia is hitting non-ISIS for now.  They are putting feelers out in the former Bathist Sunni population.  Remember, they built the Iraqi Sunni army, now the ISIS army.  They will separate them from the Saudi Wahab terrorist, cleanse them out, then go to Iran and Iraq with an offer of peace.  The Russians will own Iraq, Syria and Iran and eventually Yemen.  The Wahab clowns in Saudi and Qatar will be left nursing their wounds while Obama recovering from shock and awe!

Them bannas are not the best Chest players for nothing!

If you really believe in that I have the Canje bridge to sell ya.

Kari
Kari posted:
Mr.T posted:

The Russians started bombing in Syria about six weeks ago and look how much damage they have done to the terrorists since then. The Western press is largely keeping it secret from us.

If you really believe in that I have the Wijdenbosch bridge to sell ya.

It is not what I believe. It is what is being reported from the battlefields. The fact that you are barred from receiving such news in the US only makes it even more troubling about what the aims are of the Western government and the collusion with media outlets there. Some European based TV stations have not been afraid to show the Russians and Kurds attacks on isis.

Mr.T

The fact that you are barred from receiving such news in the US.....

Ever heard of the Internet?

It just shows huw dumb you can be in making a belief a truth.

Here in the US we probably see more of most TV stations on cable systems around the world than you do on that island, including the likes of Russian TV sympatethic to Poootin and Al Jazeera and BBC, etc., not to mention the Russian newspaper supplement in the NY Times

Kari
Kari posted:

The fact that you are barred from receiving such news in the US.....

Ever heard of the Internet?

It just shows huw dumb you can be in making a belief a truth.

Here in the US we probably see more of most TV stations on cable systems around the world than you do on that island, including the likes of Russian TV sympatethic to Poootin and Al Jazeera and BBC, etc., not to mention the Russian newspaper supplement in the NY Times

Any one can have roku or magic box and get tv from across the globe. I got them just to watch bicycling but they get loads of stiuff from everywhere and from every poing of view. Plus of course we h ave infettered internte. No one has a firewall on or broadband.

FM

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