Kari tell us why Harmon is doing the job which Nagamootoo should have been doing and the Nagamootoo AFC faction aren't that well represented among the AFC cabinet members.

You can say what you wish but others are saying otherwise.

Kari tell us why the mixed population increased by 70% between 1991 and 2012.  Also tell us how many of these people are old enough to vote.  Maybe you might see that the population older than 18 is ethnically different than those under 18.

Provide answers not hysterical outbursts.   Maybe when you figure out how the mixed population grew so much after 1991 it might dawn on you that the adult population, the vast majority born before 1991 must be different than that born after.

So is the VOTING age population only 43% Indian (based on 2002 numbers)?

 Your answer will depend on why you think that the mixed population greew so much.

I give my answers and you rage in a hissy fit, but cannot provide an alternate.

Now you are trying to imply that the PPP ran a racist anti black campaign and yet got more black votes.

These assh0les sucking "C" and pretend is lolipop.  Bunch of assh0les, the whole bunch.  Deserves rat poison.

Now they are running around screaming that Moses brought in huge numbers of Indian votes and is king maker. Well folks are saying that he didn't and doesn't deserve 40% of the cabinet.

Kari can scream at caribj.  I suggest that he scream instead at Trotman and Granger.

And of course Kari shows a total inability to look at statistics and interpret.  I told him to go get his numbers, which are available and see for him self where the margins were for the PPP and for APNU AFC.  He lacks the ability to do so, but instead goes on an emotional tirade.

Kari Moses did NOT provide the margin of victory by pulling PPP votes.  The PPP got INCREASED its margins over the PPP by 14k over the numbers that their support exceeded APNU + AFC in 2011. 

Moses DID NOT EAT INTO PPP MARGINS!  The PPP sold him to Indians as a race traitor AND THEY BOUGHT IT!

Caribny, you haven't answered my points. For you everything boils down to race and race factions witching coalitions. 

I don't see any rage at all. Where do you get this?

Base.......you humor me.

and these comrades of yours make sense to you, why?

and exactly who is asserting that "Moses" deserve[s] 40% of the cabinet again? . . . whatever that means

take your time klown

Kari ignorant idiot and complete moron. I gave you break downs by region of how the PPP IMPROVED their margins.  You cannot understand these facts because you are stupid.  I cannot help you.

Now why don't YOU explain why the mixed population increased by 70% between 1991 and 2002?   My explanation is that there is a huge increase in the mixed population among those born after 1991, the oldest of these now being 24.  Meaning that the vast majority are too young to vote.  If this is true obviously the voting age population will be MORE African and MORE Indians than is the overall population.

You REJECT this thesis by implying that the voting age population is only 42% Indian.

DO NOT REJECT unless you have an alternate theory.

Kari to claim that it doesn't break down to race is idiotic.  Please show me crowds of Indians cheering.

It is OBVIOUS that this was another race vote.  If APNU AFC is trying to convince itself that it isn't they are being truly foolish.  This will be like the GOP claiming to have multi racial support based on the sliver of non white votes that it gets.

APNU AFC won support mainly from blacks and mixed with a small Indo and Amerindian swing.  The PPP took virtual all of the Indo votes and the majority of the Amerindian votes, and very few black/mixed votes.  Just like every other Guyanese election.

Stink mouth, go tell that to the 200k Indians in Guyana watching the unfolding re-enslavement.  You bunch of shameless vermins.  You deserve what ever comes.

Harmon vs. Moses.  Take your bets!

answer my questions you useful idiot

How politically polite.

Baseman have understanding for Afros who feel a certain way and fight for their own, I can work with that person.  I can do some horsetrading.

The worse for Indians are the rats in their kitchen, the Kari's, TK's, SS, Jalil, etc.  These are the true cancers among Indians, the traitors, the enemy, collaborators.  Then the pathetic bastards hiding out in the US after perpetuating the wickedness on their own in Guyana.

Redux you never ask questions, nor answer mine so I have nothing to discuss with you.

Now put on your thinking cap and talk to yourself about why Harmon and not Nagamootoo is telling us that state entities cannot meet and that there will be full investigations into their activities.

Don't debate me.  Pick up the phone and ask Harmon why Nagamootoo isn't the one saying this. In fact has any one heard any public comments by Nagamootoo since last week Saturday?

http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....ting-make-decisions/

Harmon.

well sir . . .  fact is, i asked you two questions [see bold] to initiate this exchange

please don't tell me now that u are having basic comprehension problems

as to your thought experiments regarding things i have no interest discussing with fools . . . well, i am sure baseman or shaitaan would be willing to engage u just for shits and giggles as they humor you and marvel at your misplaced vanity and willingness to be used for their ignoble purpose

Will it be a huge embarrassment to you if Shaitaan turned out to be correct that Moses will be tossed to the side.  I had argued that he wouldn't, until I saw the composition of the AFC cabinet members..

How come the KING MAKER couldn't get more of his people on, and now appears to be upstaged by Harmon?

As to those who are saying Moses got too much.  Just accept the fact that these are random APNU people who have access to the quiet rumblings that would never be made public.

3 paragraphs of nothing

smfh

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do not know about all the numbers being thrown around. Many are guesses. Need to analyze info from polling stations versus the latest data from the census when it is released. From where I am, I believe that Moses is being marginalized. First, Harmon was made a minister for presidential affairs and so   Even though he is a minister under Moses, his access to the president and the mandate of the ministry gives him greater authority tha Moses. Moses has been quite while Harmon has been issuing directives to officers of ministries which should have been Moses or the subject minister responsible. Additionally, Amina ally has announced that part of her mandate is to deal with constitutional I.ssues, that it will be formalized in the near future.

Zed is  making important observations.

Harmon was sworn in before Moses. Why?

Harmon might be the other VP.

WE are going through the "storming, forming, norming, performing cycle" of change.

antiman runnings

more antiman runnings

Harmon is the Chief in charge of everything, office of the President and civil service, all the boards.

You just noticing this?  I don't think that APNU, or the non Nagamootoo faction of the AFC plan to allow Moses to hold them hostage.

In fact when I saw the two campaigning in NYC when Moses "reassured" his supporters of his 12 seats, claiming that he will take them away of the coalition doesn't work (to his satisfaction) I detected a vague smirk on Granger's face.  The man is a highly trained military man and a student of Guyanese history and society.  He is no fool.

To his credit he means well, and the same applies to Moses.  Let us hope that they keep their flock under control.  Both those inside and outside of cabinet.

Good conversation, but I wish the we could keep the insults down. We don't want to become like parliament and have Granger sanction us too. Putting aside for the moment the notion of rigging etc., it is very hard to argue that given the slim margin of victory,  the AFC did not deliver the elections to the coalition. It is equally hard to argue that had the coalition not been formed, the election would not have gone to the PPP. Had the coalition not been formed, the AFC would have won more or less the same votes they did the last time, putting the PPP back in office. I am not basing this on any exhaustive analysis of the polls etc; purely from a common sense perspective. I therefore think we can conclude that AFC is indeed the Kingmaker.

I am curious though as to whether the new Ministries, especially the one occupied by Mr. Harmon was discussed when the accord was signed. In any event Moses and the AFC have no where to go back to, other than support the coalition, and if APNU is driving the agenda, as I am afraid, they have to go along. As such I think APNU more has AFC than the other way around. Moses is now tied to them whether he agrees with them or not. Where is he going to go? And if this sours, his political life is over.

The AFC delivered some votes and Linden/Bartica delivered the voting margins.

So let Moses and Linden/Bartica battle it out for king maker.

Here's my take on this by what I've been hearing.

If a vote was called today in Guyana I am confident the Coalition would win by a much larger margin because the people would not feel as intimidated as pre election.

Right here on GNI we see those who stunk up the place before the election now simply adore the new Government, they suddenly speak quite ill of the PPP. Were these some of the ones being intimidated?

No they just found out that the PPP soup is rotten, so now they crave APNU soup.  They found out that he has more to offer than Moses.

I thought it was a coalition Govt.

So was the Conservative Lib Dem govt in the UK.  People just know who calls the shots.  HARMON!

For one, we need to give the coalition a chance to get their act together. Two, Moses with his experience and with, will be no match for Granger and his core supporters. If anyone can manipulate the other, its going to be Granger manipulating Moses, not the other way around (he is 40% remember?). Three, Moses has no future outside the coalition, as it is now (unless future political dynamics change). If the PPP gets its act together, hopefully within the next five years, Moses might be tempted to support an opposition, assuming he gets badly slighted. Four, he looks young, but I believe he is 70, Moses will not want to start over with a new movement where he will be further down the chain of power. He likes where he is now. He will turn his back on things if they are not going well in the coalition. He did say in NY that if it doesnt work out he will take his coalition out. Some of the above might sound contradictory, but we need to see how things progress...  

Does he control those 12 seats?   That is the key question.

I have  a suspicion that the AFC on the campaign trail, and the AFC in government isn't the same thing.

dude, i know u understand that there is a coalition gov't

why are u being an irresponsible little punk going after Moses Nagamootoo?

how old are u again?

I suggest you:

1. Read the Cummingsburg Accord;
2. Read about the AFC's leadership structure;
3. Say what your next phrase-du-jor will be (it was race, race.,race, ad infinitum ; then faction; now recall.......)

Kari, I admit I did not read the accord, but the AFC has no damn leadership structure, Ramjattan picked Moses, and your point # 3 makes no sense...I am perplexed.

Kari I brought up that thread when a year ago you demanded that the PNC appease INDIANS by apologizing.  

Now isn't that race race race? 

As to the rest time will tell soon enough.   But take a look at the UK elections to see what could happen.

As to the AFC it isn't the PPP.  Leaders come and leaders go and its the membership which determines who they are.  If Moses wants to go and the others want to stay this isn't the PPP.

By the same token, your PPP/C has no structure. Janet picked BJ who in turn picked his puppet Ramotar. Why are you perplexed with #3?