Imran posted:

 

You can say whatever you want...Black people needs to put their houses in order, don't wait and depend on another race to fix it . 

To begin with, they spend more than what they earn , so they have nothing to show... others save and build with their blood and sweat . There is no question, there are a few successful blacks, but examine their history... they have some roots to Indians or live among Indians....

 

And this is the PPP gospel about blacks and then  Indians think blacks are incompetent and incapable.

Maybe Zed agrees with this view.

Imran posted:

Guyanese don't need our help, them people rass Appy like one big family. Indians and Africans a hug up and do all thing together 

there is an increase in Dougla picknee bai. 

An Indian customer a Doctor,both he and his wife born in Kenya,while having a conversation,his wife said her husband prefer the genes should mix up for longevity,suh in GY that is good added to that the political wranglings will cease.

Django posted:

Another Indian formed a company,the acronym QAII,Guyanese believed it's a foreign company investing their $$ in the country,which is not true,got huge contracts and became a multi-billionaire,one of the reasons kick backs to Government officials.

Yes only blacks are incompetent. I am just amazed that Zed wants proof when all he has to do is to read GNI.   With the opinions about blacks expressed, clearly a common view, and one dominant in the PPP, when we see their top level appointments, why even ask such a stupid question.

Guyana's economy was stagnant in Jagdeo's earlier years. Commodity price increases helped him out after 2008.  And then there was the rampant money laundering his clique engaged in which created a real estate bubble. The chickens are coming to roost now that prices are down.

I wonder why no one is asking Jagdeo why he didn't ensure that rice and sugar became globally competitive when prices were high. MadBURRO is a lunatic and Venezuelans are chasing rats to eat for dinner (NOT an exaggeration) and you all think that they will pay more than world prices for rice!  PPP incompetence!

Zed posted:

. The PPP inherited it. Also, bookers was hired. They are or were the experts, but were unable to. Ring about change for the better.

The PPP had 23 years to fix the problem and instead created the Skeldon factory fiasco.  So cease blaming a dictator who died over 30 years ago when there is another dictator running around screaming like a mental case that escaped for an asylum pretending as if he didn't do serious damage.

That man has the temerity to blame others for the state of Guysuco even though under the PPP over US$500 million was paid in as a bail out, in addition to hundreds of millions of debt that Guysuco piled on.

Yet the Indo KKK screams that blacks are lazy, incompetent, unproductive and have done nothing positive for Guyana.  And Zed pretends as if all is well.

Zed you remind me of the Jim Crow and the apartheid whites who wailed that their ni.g.rs were happy and its only trouble makers who tried to rile them up.

Drugb posted:

Looks like both PNC and PPP practiced racism?

And this is something that you only just discovered!

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

I been away from Guyana during most of the jagdeo years and am not too knowledgable about the extent of his rule.  Returned to Guyana in 2009. Since I joined this forum, Carib has been arguing that the Jagdeo government has practised racism against Afro Guyanese. I am asking Carib to provide the facts to  support this position. 

 

FACTs  I have presented numerous times. Listen I don't care what you think. If the PPP isn't racist then Burnham wasn't towards Indians.

 

Jagdeo sued Freddie K when the latter called him an institutional racist.  Freddie K and Nigel Hughes responded with facts and threw the matter back at Jagdeo. Even Luncheon couldn't respond to that.

 

Now it might be YOUR opinion that the PPP treated blacks equitably to how they treated Indians. Just that it is YOUR opinion that the PNC discriminated against Indians.

FACT. Blacks perceive the PPP as being hostile to them just as Indians perceive the PNC to be hostile.

Leave it at that.  If you wish blacks to respect how Indians feel about the PNC in general and about Burnham in particular then learn to respect blacks when they say that Jagdeo is a racist.

 

 

Please detail acts of commission and acts of omission by the Jagdeo government that proves he practised racism against Afro-Guyanese. Be fact based instead of ranting. I have not stated a position on the issue, awaiting the facts that other posters present. 

Mars mentioned the Freddie kissoon trial that detailed the hiring of many Indo-Guyanese to fill high level positions.. what other facts do you want to share with us?

caribny posted:

Imran posted:

 

You can say whatever you want...Black people needs to put their houses in order, don't wait and depend on another race to fix it . 

To begin with, they spend more than what they earn , so they have nothing to show... others save and build with their blood and sweat . There is no question, there are a few successful blacks, but examine their history... they have some roots to Indians or live among Indians....

 

And this is the PPP gospel about blacks and then  Indians think blacks are incompetent and incapable.

Maybe Zed agrees with this view.

You are wrong in assuming that I agree with the contents of said post. Please repost any comment that I have made that is racist against any group. 

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

. The PPP inherited it. Also, bookers was hired. They are or were the experts, but were unable to. Ring about change for the better.

The PPP had 23 years to fix the problem and instead created the Skeldon factory fiasco.  So cease blaming a dictator who died over 30 years ago when there is another dictator running around screaming like a mental case that escaped for an asylum pretending as if he didn't do serious damage.

That man has the temerity to blame others for the state of Guysuco even though under the PPP over US$500 million was paid in as a bail out, in addition to hundreds of millions of debt that Guysuco piled on.

Yet the Indo KKK screams that blacks are lazy, incompetent, unproductive and have done nothing positive for Guyana.  And Zed pretends as if all is well.

Zed you remind me of the Jim Crow and the apartheid whites who wailed that their ni.g.rs were happy and its only trouble makers who tried to rile them up.

You seem to get off on ranting and drawing conclusions that have no factual basis. I have never posted that things were all right for any group in Guyana, especially so for members of the working class or poor.. particular groups within both the Afro Guyanese and Indo-Guyanese communities faced and continues to face many problems.

provide the facts, do not make unsubstantiated statements about me that you are unabke to prove.

FC posted:

skeldon_man posted:

FC posted:

Surprised you did not blurt out the N word.  You seem to get an orgasim when you do.

I can coin many words with the acronym FC. Haul you ugly ass dah side.

Look, you garden variety racists are easily dealth with a fly swat.

 

Go cross your legs now.

Django posted:

 

An Indian customer a Doctor,both he and his wife born in Kenya,while having a conversation,his wife said her husband prefer the genes should mix up for longevity,suh in GY that is good added to that the political wranglings will cease.

Not sure about that as many Indians treat douglas as if they are blacks and as a result the bulk of the mixed population (which aren't just douglas btw) don't support the PPP. 

Jagdeo and Rohee called the PPP a "collie people party" and Jagdeo boasted that its base was mainly rural Indians.

Zed posted:

 

provide the facts, do not make unsubstantiated statements about me that you are unabke to prove.

 

Facts have already been provided by me and some one even reposted them.  If you don't accept the fact that Luncheon was unable to explain why blacks were being shut out of leadership slots then you really don't want to discuss this issue.

In fact this is the same evidence that you can come up with to describe how Indians were treated under Burnham.  Please don't ramble on about kick down door bandits as they also robbed blacks and I hardly doubt were sent by Burnham. 

In fact Burnham harassed many blacks who he considered a political threat, killing at least one of them and attempting others, so you cannot blame that his dictatorship was solely focused on harassing Indians.  Burnham was way more ruthless towards the blacks in the WPA then he ever was against the PPP.

So we are left with the conclusion. The PPP and the PNC are both cuddly parties which never had an ounce of racism in them.  Because you don't want to accept the proof that has been provided to you that Jagdeo was a racist.

Zed posted:

 

You are wrong in assuming that I agree with the contents of said post. Please repost any comment that I have made that is racist against any group. 

Given that you persist in asking about Jagdeo (PPP) racism against blacks when these views are presented daily by the Indo KKK one can be quite rational and come to that conclusion. 

In fact the Chronicle, when it was under PPP control, spewed the same venom. At no point did Jagdeo, or the PPP comment about the editorial and you do know that he and the PPP controlled every piece of news and ediotorial presented in that paper when the PPP was in power.

http://afcguyana.com/afcnew/?p=3870

The response of Imran's wife just about captured how many Afro Guyanese felt when the PPP was in power. In fact on a trip to Antigua Jagdeo met Guyanese (mainly blacks). When some opined that they were treated as foreigners in Guyana, about the same was they were in Antigua (where they were ACTUALLY foreigners) Jagdeo couldn't respond, and all he did was to attempt to punish the media person who reported it.

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 

You are wrong in assuming that I agree with the contents of said post. Please repost any comment that I have made that is racist against any group. 

Given that you persist in asking about Jagdeo (PPP) racism against blacks when these views are presented daily by the Indo KKK one can be quite rational and come to that conclusion. 

 

In fact the Chronicle, when it was under PPP control, spewed the same venom. At no point did Jagdeo, or the PPP comment about the editorial and you do know that he and the PPP controlled every piece of news and ediotorial presented in that paper when the PPP was in power.

http://afcguyana.com/afcnew/?p=3870

The response of Imran's wife just about captured how many Afro Guyanese felt when the PPP was in power. In fact on a trip to Antigua Jagdeo met Guyanese (mainly blacks). When some opined that they were treated as foreigners in Guyana, about the same was they were in Antigua (where they were ACTUALLY foreigners) Jagdeo couldn't respond, and all he did was to attempt to punish the media person who reported it.

The rants here by both sides of the issue, in my opinion, do not represent the average person in Guyana. As I mentioned earlier, I travel around in Guyana, visit many communities, meet Guyanese from all ethnic groups and see or feel that animosity. The racists here on this site speak for themselves. Definitely not for me or any group with which I am associated.

as I mentioned to Mars, the info presented during the kissoon trial was one thread of the tapestry.  I am still awaiting more complete numbers because I think that there are more than 50 senior positions within the government and government agencies. In the work I do in Guyana, I get the opportunity to meet with givernment officials, sometimes with groups of programme heads, and there is more diversity than the list suggests.

Your conclusion is not rational. I am responsible for what I post, not the posts of others. I have said my piece regarding the racist rants , but refuse to continue hitting my head against a brick wall. I prefer to spend the time to do my work here, to give back.

present some hard facts, not just some editorial that you imply that Jagdeo would have approved. Be fact based. Complement your anecdotal evidence with hard data.

IMRAN khan is a political hack hanging on to his job, drinking the soup as does Moses and others who betrayed all those who believed their offer of change and a better life.

prove the point with data, here are some possible areas if you need ideas. Tell me what percentage of persons of African descent applied and received house lots as against other races, what percent of those had to move out of their community and how it compares to other races,  the income disparity between Afro Guyanese and other races, the poverty level and how this has changed the level of unemployment and under-employment of each race, the education levels of each race, composition of members of the disciplined service, the health service, of the civil service, and tie that disparity to acts of commission or omission by the Jagdeo government. Compare all of these indicators, and I can mention much more, at the beginning and end of the Jagdeo regime.

Zed...it was reported at one time that Guyana was a hub for drug running and at the time Canada, England and the USA offered to assist with drug enforcement which was refused. 

Why would the Guyana government not accept the help to curb this practice which ruins the lives of many?

cain posted:

Zed...it was reported at one time that Guyana was a hub for drug running and at the time Canada, England and the USA offered to assist with drug enforcement which was refused. 

Why would the Guyana government not accept the help to curb this practice which ruins the lives of many?

 

What kind of question is duh ?? was on a blog mentioned the under ground economy,one guy said drugs build America i must check wikileaks,my head nearly fall off.

When pressed for facts, these guys caribj, d2, django, cain and others will only provide anecdotal "evidence". No hard facts are to be provided. In fact caribj consults a secret book of survey that only he is privy to for his "facts". 

Drugb posted:

When pressed for facts, these guys caribj, d2, django, cain and others will only provide anecdotal "evidence". No hard facts are to be provided. In fact caribj consults a secret book of survey that only he is privy to for his "facts". 

Suh when you talk about APNU/AFC you have the evidence ??,how about the source any different than what most have access to.

I have a family in the Public Service wan lil top position with a Ministry is also a strong PPP supporter,when ever we have conversation get lots of info,wouldn't reveal here too much attacks.

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

When pressed for facts, these guys caribj, d2, django, cain and others will only provide anecdotal "evidence". No hard facts are to be provided. In fact caribj consults a secret book of survey that only he is privy to for his "facts". 

Suh when you talk about APNU/AFC you have the evidence ??,how about the source any different than what most have access to.

I have a family in the Public Service wan lil top position with a Ministry is also a strong PPP supporter,when ever we have conversation get lots of info,wouldn't reveal here too much attacks.

Don't take is personal, it is quite clear, Zed is asking for hard evidence and you folks are feeding him hearsay. 

cain posted:

Zed...it was reported at one time that Guyana was a hub for drug running and at the time Canada, England and the USA offered to assist with drug enforcement which was refused. 

Why would the Guyana government not accept the help to curb this practice which ruins the lives of many?

A nation 

Cain, I am at a loss but you may want to venture an explanation. Was it Luncheon who offered an explanation? What is your explanation? I can offer an explanation but will not do so because it will be just conjecture on my part.

from the many convictions for exporting drugs as reported in the local newspapers, assuming that they are reporting correctly, Guyana is being used as a trans-shipping point for the export of drugs, the US government  if my memory serves me correct, has identified Guyana as a trans-shipping point for shipping  of illegal drugs.

I have sat in on many "rum shop" discussions on the topic of drugs and the export of drugs. Some argue that it is a supply and demand issue. That as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply, that it is the capitalist way. Others argue that it is a transfer of wealth, a kind of reverse imperialism. Others argue tat even though the demand is foreign, there are serious consequences for Guyanese society.  Some argue that there is no stigma attached to money. That it is ok once they get their piece.  Still others argue that it is good for the economy while others argue it creates a structurally weak economy, a facade.

Zed posted:

I have sat in on many "rum shop" discussions on the topic of drugs and the export of drugs. Some argue that it is a supply and demand issue. That as long as there is a demand, there will be a supply, that it is the capitalist way. Others argue that it is a transfer of wealth, a kind of reverse imperialism. Others argue tat even though the demand is foreign, there are serious consequences for Guyanese society.  Some argue that there is no stigma attached to money. That it is ok once they get their piece.  Still others argue that it is good for the economy while others argue it creates a structurally weak economy, a facade.

Damn something is not right with these folks,it's an illegal substance to begin with that damages people lives,that's like saying prostitution is ok and there is no stigma to the individual.

I guess that is the get rich quick generation,nothing like my time when money is made by hard work.No wonder young men are found with bullet hole in their heads,the country can't bear such shocks,i assume that is why someone don't know who to trust.

Yugi you are a friggin jackass and that is the reason you are told that. Now off you go and reread the two threads you simply closed your eyes to.

Again I ask Zed why would the Guyana government not accept the assistance from the countries I mentioned knowing dam well they were not capable of fighting the drug trade?

I and I am sure anyone with a slight bit of intelligence would take this refusal as a way of saying it was in the interest of the government to not wish to put a halt to drug trafficking it was the only way they knew to bring in $$$$.

Cain,

With all due respect, You are the nasties of posters on GNI. Your level of intelligence is worse than that of a goat. I will no longer respond to your cuss down and name calling.

As as I said before, you are not worthy of washing my car. I will now add that you are not even worthy of polishing/shining my shoes.

Go brush your teeth and please take some lessons, I will then decide if you are worthy of a response.

Honourable and Respectable Yuji.

You will soon run away again from the board crying..you dam wos.

Yugi and Cain,

Bannas you guys should take it light,does no worth the animosity.

I give credit where it is due, he is credited as being a dam wos.

Django posted:

Drugb posted:

When pressed for facts, these guys caribj, d2, django, cain and others will only provide anecdotal "evidence". No hard facts are to be provided. In fact caribj consults a secret book of survey that only he is privy to for his "facts". 

Suh when you talk about APNU/AFC you have the evidence ??,how about the source any different than what most have access to.

I have a family in the Public Service wan lil top position with a Ministry is also a strong PPP supporter,when ever we have conversation get lots of info,wouldn't reveal here too much attacks.

Django shut yo Sk ... read

The government yesterday confirmed a BBC report that a 4.9m pounds sterling security sector reform project with the UK had collapsed following differences between the two countries.
Roger Luncheon
Roger Luncheon
In a statement last night, the Office of the President (OP) linked the collapse of the project to the denial of a UK request for a live firing exercise in the west of Guyana.
“This decision by the UK Government is believed to be linked to the administration’s refusal to permit training of British Special Forces in Guyana using live firing in a hinterland community on the western border with Brazil and Venezuela”, the OP statement said last night.
Observers note, however, that the project had been in serious trouble earlier this year after Guyana objected to certain preconditions which were thought to include the stationing of overseas law enforcement professionals in the police force here. The dispute had sparked sharp statements from Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon, who had responsibility for the project, and the British High Commissioner here, Fraser Wheeler. Luncheon went as far as offering his resignation to the President over the dispute.
Yesterday, the BBC Caribbean report disclosed that the project had been called off after the two countries failed to agree on its management.
It said that the decision to abandon the programme followed a meeting between a top official of the UK’s Department for International Development, DfID, and Guyana’s President, Bharrat Jagdeo.
Last night, Luncheon issued his own statement on the matter.
He said the decision by the UK Government was believed to be linked to the administration’s refusal to permit training of British Special Forces in Guyana using live firing in a community on the western border with Brazil and Venezuela.
“The position of the Government of Guyana is that indeed the decision is regrettable. Guyanese would recall that the project itself attracted quite a bit of media attention and has indeed been characterized by ups and downs in the public engagements; however, the trend in the negotiation was what led to expectations that the project itself would be approved and implemented.”
He noted that as late as December 2008, the two parties had agreed on it in Georgetown and a design was submitted to the principals in the UK for their blessings. He pointed out that in April 2009 Guyanese were advised about a redesign that was unilaterally carried out by the UK when they submitted their response to the joint December 2008 submission.
“This design violated the sovereignty of Guyana. It was drawn to the attention of the British High Commission here in Guyana and after efforts it was agreed that the government would submit its revised version of the British design. The President was involved in that activity and ultimately the British High Commission was presented with a document that in great detail outlined what was the Guyanese version of the model to be used to design and ultimately to implement the Security Sector Reform project”, Luncheon said.
Luncheon said that President Jagdeo was later informed that the project itself had been halted and the UK Government had provided him with information saying that they were not interested in pursuing an agreement with the Government of Guyana.
Said Luncheon: “It is tempting to believe that this about face from the December 2008 joint agreement to what happened in the middle of 2009 might have been associated with some decision that the Guyanese Government made with request to training by the UK Special Forces, on a Western border location with live firing to which the government was unprepared to support.”
“It could be that the UK Government did not fully appreciate how dearly held was our position on the non-violation of the sovereignty of Guyana. Their insistence in installing in their design in April, … management features that seriously compromise Guyana’s ownership and when our new design re-established ownership that was more consistent with our notions of sovereignty, the plug was pulled. I started by saying it was regrettable; it’s unfortunate because our joint positions at the beginning was Security Sector Reform in its entirety was indeed in our best interest. Security Sector Reform will continue in Guyana, maybe at a different pace and the scope and the design will be different, but the implementation of that will be from public funds from the Government of Guyana”, he added.
The scrapping of the project and the tiff over it will be tagged as a worsening of relations between the two countries at a time when Guyana needs to mobilize as much support as possible for security and its low carbon development strategy. Britain is a key player in this process and the scuppering of the deal would likely point to its dissatisfaction with Georgetown over the fundamentals of security reform. Various interest groups have urged root and branch reform of the police force to curb corruption.
The UK deal had been conceptualized shortly after the massacres in 2007 and following a request from the government here which had been deeply shocked by the killings. Observers said interest in Georgetown for the project diminished after the security situation improved. The government here has steadfastly rebuffed any attempt to place foreign professionals in the force or to cede any modicum of control over the force.
In June, British High Commissioner Wheeler had said that he was “frustrated” with the delays in implementation and he blamed persons in government “quibbling” over administrative details for holding it up. Although he did not go into the details of the delay in the process, he emphasised that the UK sees the need for “very tight management of resources” in the current economic climate. “The administration of money should not be a deal breaker, I would hope, [the reform is] too important for that,” Wheeler said.
An interim Memorandum of Understanding for the Security Sector Reform Action Plan was signed in August 2007. Since that time, Luncheon has been responsible for engagement with the UK government’s representatives.
Late last year, a framework for the “Formulation and Implementation of a National Security Policy and Strategy” was concluded. Subsequently, in April the representatives of the UK’s DfID and the Foreign and Commonwealth Office (FCO) advised that their government had given approval for the agreed design for reform and they offered two documents that provided details of implementation.
It was this April report that Dr Luncheon had strongly objected to in letters he wrote to President Jagdeo and Wheeler.
“The content of their April submission is offensive, suggesting that Guyana is totally incapable of managing its own Security Sector Reform and needed to be spoon fed in the implementing of all aspects of the Security Sector Reform contemplated in the GOG/UK engagement,” Luncheon informed Jagdeo in the letter. He added that based on their submissions, he could not accept that the resident representatives of the British government seriously intended his continued involvement.
“Mr. President, I am left to conclude that the representatives had to have an ulterior motive in presenting these two documents whose content they were quite aware I would find offensive and unacceptable,” he had said.
Luncheon’s letter also indicated that the engagements had been “challenging” and he said his experiences revealed the UK’s representatives to be “insincere and inconsistent” with regard to Guyana’s concerns about national ownership of the process. “The records would show that with each important step along the way I have had to repeatedly address issues of National Ownership and even resort to your inputs at times,” he wrote.
He also communicated similar concerns about the motives of the British government’s resident representatives to Wheeler, explaining that it was owing to his disappointment with the UK’s proposals on management of the project, the process and the timeline, that he intended to withdraw from further participation. He also mentioned his recommendation to his principals that the proposals be rejected in their entirety, while suggesting that they did not reflect the commitments agreed during the bilateral engagements.
Although he noted the Guyana’s government’s “profoundly negative reactions” to the proposals, Luncheon also indicated to Wheeler its appreciation of the efforts made during the bilateral engagements “in progressively agreeing in principle” with a programme for security sector reform in Guyana.
In keeping with components of the plan, in January this year, Major General (Ret) Michael Atherly was appointed Project Coordinator for Security Sector Reform, with a Security Sector Reform Secretariat established within the Office of the President, while the National Assembly approved the creation of an Oversight Committee for the Security Sector.
The five main elements of the plan cover building the operational capacity of the police force; strengthening policy-making across the security sector to make it more transparent, effective, and better coordinated; mainstreaming financial management in the security sector into public sector financial management reform; creating substantial parliamentary and other oversight of the security sector; and building greater public participation and inclusiveness in security sector issues. The plan was specifically designed to complement the ongoing IDB Citizen Security and Justice Reform programmes, in a bid to tackle crime and security in a holistic manner.
A parliamentary committee has been set up to review the plan’s implementation, but it has met only once to elect a chairman. The review committee is expected to receive and examine official annual reports from the administration on the status of the implementation of the activities in 11 priority areas on an annual basis and also to provide a final report to the National Assembly of its examination of the reports on the implementation of the entire action plan.
The priority areas were identified after extensive discussions and consultations with stakeholders, including the leadership of the law enforcement agencies, the public and the donor community.
Among the short-term priority areas were: the establishment of a special firearms support team to execute high-risk operations with regard to terrorism, hijacking, hostage release and negotiations and specialized tactical deployment; developing an anti-crime unit through support for an operational protocol, provide training on technical aspects of anti-crime operations and the acquisition of operational equipment and resources among other things; boosting crime intelligence by supporting the capability of the police force with regard to the gathering, analysis, interpretation, dissemination and management of strategic and operational crime-related information; and developing forensic capacity.

Source . 
http://www.stabroeknews.com/20...6b-security-project/

Imran,

I read that since 2009,the funny fellas was making all kind of excuses suh how the British are there now bhai ??

That post should have been addressed to Cainsta,

Nah you watching when i post thinking you can chak me.

Django posted:

Imran,

I read that since 2009,the funny fellas was making all kind of excuses suh how the British are there now bhai ??

That post should have been addressed to Cainsta,

Nah you watching when i post thinking you can chak me.

Cainsta ... that cuss bud , he went to the same SKOOL as we jr Minister of Aducation that's all he knows ... he gat some loose screws and since you a the repair man ... just tighten them screws and pass me post to he ... he need some Buxton line top blackpudding and souce to calm he rass down ... he knows what I man talking bout 

Nahh I am a vegetarian cussbird. Funny story about black pudding. I visited someone who made this as a side job and she tried getting me to order a veggie black pudding..she said it has no blood she uses milk instead. I had to laugh..the dam milky rice is still stuffed into whatever that nasty covering is..some crap from the gut and I do not drink milk. On occasion I use Almond milk.

Zed posted:

 

Please detail acts of commission and acts of omission by the Jagdeo government

 

Already mentioned in the link posted by Mars and my link of an article written by Imran Khan.

Now run around and scream "black man a kill ahbe" because it is clear that in your head the only racism which exists is from blacks. I already wrote of PNC racism against Indians so clearly it is YOU who hold this view of an innocent and a guilty race.

Drugb posted:

. No hard facts are to be provided. In fact caribj consults a secret book of survey that only he is privy to for his "facts". 

Nigel Hughes, Freddie Kissoon and Imran Khan supplied FACTs which were linked on posts by me on Mars.  You all are free to ignore this as you rush with your usual attempt to damn blacks as the only racists in Guyana.

Now why don't you show  facts that blacks under the PPP were treated better than were Indians. Yes tell us about the black criminals who ranted that they want milk in their tea. Or the black PPP soup licker in Linden who called Jagdeo daddy.

And in fact the PPP controlled Chronicle wrote a whole racist diatribe against blacks. The PPP NEVER apologized for this, and why would they when its contents are a summary of the attitudes of the PPP and its supporters towards Afro Guyanese.

I guess Zed and company will deny this editorial.

Zed posted:

caribny posted:

Zed posted:

 

You are wrong in assuming that I agree with the contents of said post. Please repost any comment that I have made that is racist against any group. 

Given that you persist in asking about Jagdeo (PPP) racism against blacks when these views are presented daily by the Indo KKK one can be quite rational and come to that conclusion. 

 

In fact the Chronicle, when it was under PPP control, spewed the same venom. At no point did Jagdeo, or the PPP comment about the editorial and you do know that he and the PPP controlled every piece of news and ediotorial presented in that paper when the PPP was in power.

http://afcguyana.com/afcnew/?p=3870

The response of Imran's wife just about captured how many Afro Guyanese felt when the PPP was in power. In fact on a trip to Antigua Jagdeo met Guyanese (mainly blacks). When some opined that they were treated as foreigners in Guyana, about the same was they were in Antigua (where they were ACTUALLY foreigners) Jagdeo couldn't respond, and all he did was to attempt to punish the media person who reported it.

The rants here by both sides of the issue, in my opinion, do not represent the average person in Guyana. As I mentioned earlier, I travel around in Guyana, visit many communities, meet Guyanese from all ethnic groups and see or feel that animosity. The racists here on this site speak for themselves. Definitely not for me or any group with which I am associated.

as I mentioned to Mars, the info presented during the kissoon trial was one thread of the tapestry.  I am still awaiting more complete numbers because I think that there are more than 50 senior positions within the government and government agencies. In the work I do in Guyana, I get the opportunity to meet with givernment officials, sometimes with groups of programme heads, and there is more diversity than the list suggests.

Your conclusion is not rational. I am responsible for what I post, not the posts of others. I have said my piece regarding the racist rants , but refuse to continue hitting my head against a brick wall. I prefer to spend the time to do my work here, to give back.

present some hard facts, not just some editorial that you imply that Jagdeo would have approved. Be fact based. Complement your anecdotal evidence with hard data.

IMRAN khan is a political hack hanging on to his job, drinking the soup as does Moses and others who betrayed all those who believed their offer of change and a better life.

prove the point with data, here are some possible areas if you need ideas. Tell me what percentage of persons of African descent applied and received house lots as against other races, what percent of those had to move out of their community and how it compares to other races,  the income disparity between Afro Guyanese and other races, the poverty level and how this has changed the level of unemployment and under-employment of each race, the education levels of each race, composition of members of the disciplined service, the health service, of the civil service, and tie that disparity to acts of commission or omission by the Jagdeo government. Compare all of these indicators, and I can mention much more, at the beginning and end of the Jagdeo regime.

 

You are attempting to create a diversion with your ask to perform data analytics when you know data is not readily available or accessible.  Besides those indicators are not related to the topic of discussion. You are disengenious because you will say hey no evidence. I am onto to that game you are playing. You are not fooling anyone.  Gwan dah side.  I ask you what metrics and evidence do you have for Burnham discrimination against Indians? No evidence then there was no discrimination and marginalization.

caribny posted:

Drugb posted:

. No hard facts are to be provided. In fact caribj consults a secret book of survey that only he is privy to for his "facts". 

Nigel Hughes, Freddie Kissoon and Imran Khan supplied FACTs which were linked on posts by me on Mars.  You all are free to ignore this as you rush with your usual attempt to damn blacks as the only racists in Guyana.

Now why don't you show  facts that blacks under the PPP were treated better than were Indians. Yes tell us about the black criminals who ranted that they want milk in their tea. Or the black PPP soup licker in Linden who called Jagdeo daddy.

they supplied same as you, hearsay. Confusing party affiliation with racism. 

Everyone will now play Zed's game...Never mind the articles printed..Never mind the blatant in your face misuse of the country's funds/resources.. Never mind reports from various organizations. Dammit! We want proof..heheee.

caribny posted:

And in fact the PPP controlled Chronicle wrote a whole racist diatribe against blacks. The PPP NEVER apologized for this, and why would they when its contents are a summary of the attitudes of the PPP and its supporters towards Afro Guyanese.

I guess Zed and company will deny this editorial.

Can you repost the editorial so we can dissect it?  Also make sure to post the name of the editor, more than likely a PNC plant with the intent of stirring up controversy. On the other hand if the PPP spoke out you would scream that they were censoring the news paper.