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Originally Posted by Lucas:

Any attack on ISIS is an attack on NATO and therefore an attack on US, it is the message sent by Turkey.

Obama, Cameron and Holland support Turkey smart move.

wha happen...Putin was supposed to get rid of ISIS in a few hours...

 

now he got a russian super jet shot down by american made f16.. 

FM
Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:

Turkey is playing a dangerous game by messing with Putin.  They will have to pick a side and stick with it.  If not, they will lose corn and husk.

The shooting of the pilots in the air is a war crime!  Turkey is being egged-on by someone.

FM
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Originally Posted by Chief:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Bibi Haniffa:

Turkey is playing a dangerous game by messing with Putin.  They will have to pick a side and stick with it.  If not, they will lose corn and husk.

The shooting of the pilots in the air is a war crime!  Turkey is being egged-on by someone.

America!!

Turkey has a different agenda to America when it comes to the war against ISIS. They are supporters of ISIS just like you.

 

http://www.awdnews.com/top-new...tic-about-the-future

 

Turkish intelligence chief: Putin's intervention in Syria is against Islam and international law, ISIS is a reality and we are optimistic about the future

<dl class="article-info muted"><dd class="category-name hasTooltip" title="Category: "> Top News</dd><dd class="published hasTooltip" title="Published on ">18 October 2015</dd></dl>

 

Hakan Fidan

Hakan Fidan

 

 

Ankara--- Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known by the MÄ°T acronym, has drawn a lot of attention and criticism for his controversial comments about ISIS.

Mr. Hakan Fidan, Turkish President's staunchest ally, condemned Russian military intervention in Syria, accusing Moscow of trying to 'smother' Syria's Islamist revolution and serious breach of United Nations law.

“ISIS is a reality and we have to accept that we cannot eradicate a well-organized and popular establishment such as the Islamic State; therefore I urge my western colleagues to revise their mindset about Islamic political currents, put aside their cynical mentalitÃĐ and thwart Vladimir Putin's plans to crush Syrian Islamist revolutionaries,” Anadolu News Agency quoted Mr. Fidan as saying on Sunday.

Fidan further added that in order to deal with the vast number of foreign Jihadists craving to travel to Syria, it is imperative that ISIS must set up a consulate or at least a political office in Istanbul. He underlined that it is Turkey’s firm belief to provide medical care for all injured people fleeing Russian ruthless airstrikes regardless of their political or religious affiliation.

Recently as the fierce clashes between Russian army and ISIS terrorists raging across the war-torn Syria, countless number of ISIS injured fighters enter the Turkish territory and are being admitted in the military hospitals namely those in Hatay Province. Over the last few days, the Syrian army with the support of Russian air cover could fend off ISIS forces in strategic provinces of Homs and Hama.

Emile Hokayem, a Washington-based Middle East analyst said that Turkey's Erdoğan and his oil-rich Arab allies have dual agendas in the war on terror and as a matter of fact they are supplying the Islamist militants with weapons and money, thus Russian intervention is considered a devastating setback for their efforts to overthrow Syrian secular President Assad.

Hokayem who was speaking via Skype from Washington, D.C. highlighted the danger of Turkish-backed terrorist groups and added that what is happening in Syria cannot be categorized as a genuine and popular revolution against dictatorship but rather it is a chaos orchestrated by Erdoğan who is dreaming to revive this ancestor's infamous Ottoman Empire.

Mars

The Russians were not bombing ISIS; they were bombing the Turkmen tribe of the Free Syrian Army.

 

While Turkey wants to bomb the Kurds (who are America's allies) - like they exterminated those Armenians a century ago, they wanted to stay clear of ISIS. Remember that Erdogan's party is Islamist.

 

ISIS impact on Russia so far has been the downing of their airplane over the Sinai.

 

Obviously downing a military plane is a whole different matter and there has to be some wink-wink going on.

Kari

The Middle East region is comprised of different peoples living for centuries. With the advent of the Europeans and as their societies become more organized their competing claims came to the fore. The colonial masters kept order and when they left, after drawing arbitrary political boundaries, the strongmen took over and kept an uneasy peace, but a peace nevertheless. Al Qutb in the 1950s started the modern Islamic fundamentalism. Once oil became a sought-after commodity the Middle East took on more volatile importance.

 

Enter stage left the Ayatollah Khomeini and the American-supported Shah was given the boot and the hostage crisis took over. After the Saddam invasion, US boots in the holy land gave birth to Al Qaeda 9/11 and the criminal invasion of Iraq ensued. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld sent the Saddam Baathists in the arms of Al Bhadadi, released from a US prison in Iraq in 2004 by Bush.

 

After $2 trillion wasted dollars and many lives lost, including hundreds of thousands of innocent Arab civilians, Obama corrected America’s unlawful and wasteful engagement in the Middle East. But first he had to take care of business – Al Qaeda business. Then ISIS declared its caliphate and over-ran the Iraqi army while ensconced in parts of Syria. Obama tried two fronts after ISIS threatened in the summer of 2014 – the Kurds and Syrian Free Army in Syria and the Kurds and the Shiite government in Iraq after Maliki was sent packing. So far ISIS has been contained and their command and control centers have been pounded. Their desperation move, and we’ve seen this with Al Qaeda, is to terrorize Europe, as it finds it difficult to penetrate the US homeland or inspire lone wolves, though some like the brothers in the Boston bombing and the shootings at US military installations by deranged individuals. The Kurds have regained Sinjar and the Mahdi army is driving on Mosul and Tikrit.

 

The upshot of this, even with Russia’s belated defense of Assad in trying to muster some political settlement, is that while ISIS may be gone in a year’s time or sooner, we still have the post-Assad situation to straighten out, and in Iraq the Sunnis must be engaged unlike the Bush years that was really the trigger for all this nonsense today.

Kari
Originally Posted by Kari:

The Middle East region is comprised of different peoples living for centuries. With the advent of the Europeans and as their societies become more organized their competing claims came to the fore. The colonial masters kept order and when they left, after drawing arbitrary political boundaries, the strongmen took over and kept an uneasy peace, but a peace nevertheless. Al Qutb in the 1950s started the modern Islamic fundamentalism. Once oil became a sought-after commodity the Middle East took on more volatile importance.

 

Enter stage left the Ayatollah Khomeini and the American-supported Shah was given the boot and the hostage crisis took over. After the Saddam invasion, US boots in the holy land gave birth to Al Qaeda 9/11 and the criminal invasion of Iraq ensued. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld sent the Saddam Baathists in the arms of Al Bhadadi, released from a US prison in Iraq in 2004 by Bush.

 

After $2 trillion wasted dollars and many lives lost, including hundreds of thousands of innocent Arab civilians, Obama corrected America’s unlawful and wasteful engagement in the Middle East. But first he had to take care of business – Al Qaeda business. Then ISIS declared its caliphate and over-ran the Iraqi army while ensconced in parts of Syria. Obama tried two fronts after ISIS threatened in the summer of 2014 – the Kurds and Syrian Free Army in Syria and the Kurds and the Shiite government in Iraq after Maliki was sent packing. So far ISIS has been contained and their command and control centers have been pounded. Their desperation move, and we’ve seen this with Al Qaeda, is to terrorize Europe, as it finds it difficult to penetrate the US homeland or inspire lone wolves, though some like the brothers in the Boston bombing and the shootings at US military installations by deranged individuals. The Kurds have regained Sinjar and the Mahdi army is driving on Mosul and Tikrit.

 

The upshot of this, even with Russia’s belated defense of Assad in trying to muster some political settlement, is that while ISIS may be gone in a year’s time or sooner, we still have the post-Assad situation to straighten out, and in Iraq the Sunnis must be engaged unlike the Bush years that was really the trigger for all this nonsense today.

Did you ever learn pressie in QC?

FM
Originally Posted by RiffRaff:
Originally Posted by Lucas:

Any attack on ISIS is an attack on NATO and therefore an attack on US, it is the message sent by Turkey.

Obama, Cameron and Holland support Turkey smart move.

wha happen...Putin was supposed to get rid of ISIS in a few hours...

 

now he got a russian super jet shot down by american made f16.. 

Now we Know that ISIS is not just a bunch of bearded killers getting money out of the blue to buy missiles, but that they are really helped and sponsored y the governments of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and very obviously Turkey.

FM

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