Burnham fought inequality, poverty and illiteracy.

A portrait of late President Forbes Burnham.

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August 7, 2017

— says President Granger in tribute to late President

PRESIDENT David Granger on Sunday paid tribute to Guyana’s first Executive President and founder of the People’s National Congress (PNC), Linden Forbes Sampson Burnham, on the occasion of the 32nd anniversary of his death.

The wreath-laying ceremony was held at the Mausoleum at the Seven Ponds in the Botanical Gardens, where the former President was laid to rest.

President Granger in his remarks said the late Forbes Burnham, OE, SC, will always be remembered with reverence for his fight against inequality, poverty, illiteracy and other social ills, which affected the lives of the ordinary Guyanese.

A section of the attendees at the commemorative service

“We recall Forbes Burnham’s courageous campaign to transform the backward colony of British Guiana when he entered office on 14th December 1964 up to his death on 6th August 1985. Forbes Burnham described his mission as “… a struggle… against poverty, ignorance, unemployment, hunger and exploitation….”

He launched a process of national transformation to eliminate the inequalities associated with economic, geographic and demographic disparities.

Forbes Burnham’s policy of national transformation was based, in part, on providing easier access to public education,” the President said.

He noted that the institutions which were established by the late President still sustain social change and the evidence of his monumental achievements is visible everywhere, particularly in the University of Guyana at Turkeyen, the Cyril Potter College of Education, the Cooperative Training College at Kuru Kuru, the Technical Institute at New Amsterdam in East Berbice-Corentyne, the first hinterland secondary school at St Ignatius, in the Rupununi, the extension of  free education as an entitlement and the Teaching Service Commission and production of local textbooks, among others.

Attorney General Basil Williams, paying his tribute to the late President

“Forbes Burnham will always be remembered with reverence.  We renew, on this solemn commemoration of his death, our collective commitment to continue his campaign ‘…against poverty, ignorance, unemployment, hunger and exploitation…’” President Granger said.

Meanwhile, Attorney General Basil Williams, who also serves as Chairman of the PNC, in his brief remarks said the late prime minister and first Executive President of Guyana was a giant of history, who transformed not just a nation, but also the Caribbean.

“Linden Forbes Sampson Burnham was a consummate statesman and a freedom fighter whose keen commitment to the development of Guyana and its people is undeniable.

Members of the Guyana Police Force’s Band paying tribute to the late President through music and songs

Burnham played a significant role in shaping the political, social and economic landscape of Guyana. It was under his leadership that Guyana attained political Independence and Republican status. It was also under his leadership that many of the transformative infrastructural developments of Guyana materialised. Under Burnham, Guyana’s status in international and regional affairs was elevated and respected,” Minister Williams said.

Linden Forbes Sampson Burnham served as Prime Minister of Guyana from 1964 and as President from 1980 until the time of his death in 1985 at age 62. He was a lawyer, a politician, a fierce freedom fighter and a father of six children.

President David Granger lays a wreath at the Mausoleum where the late President was laid to rest

The event was attended by Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo, other Ministers of the Government, members of the diplomatic corps as well as representatives from the 10 administrative regions.

 
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In the year 1964,i was 11yrs old,what can a little boy know about politics,by the 1970's i started understand the political situation gathered from the limited media and street corner discussions.I lived thru the Burnham era,every idea he had was besmirched by suppressing Democracy starting with rigged elections in 1973,rigged 1980 referendum that gave Guyana a Constitution that unto this day have the country in turmoil,it continues until his death,he became a Dictator.

In my book there is nothing much to celebrate,if any one is offended i am sorry,i called Spade a Spade.

Drugb posted:

Burnham's name should never be revered, this is the campaign that the Granger and AFC are launching, to sanitize Burnham as the current generation did not live under his rule.

Why were you praising him for your fortunes from your smuggling business when he banned certain food stuff?

Rumor has it that your Dad was a stable hand at the Belfield Estate.

In the 70's Burnham and his Ministers systematically sought  out Indo Civil servants who were attending UG in the evenings  and had them transferred  out of GT or greater GT to Berbice, Essequibo and the interior so that they cannot access classes. This created the exodus of many like my self to Colleges and Universities in N/A and England. Yes Caribj, we are clannish. We learned to share; books, jobs, apartments, food and helped one another with rent, school fees and our music.

So how and when did we learn to fight and abuse one another on this BB?

Drugb posted:

Burnham's name should never be revered, this is the campaign that the Granger and AFC are launching, to sanitize Burnham as the current generation did not live under his rule.

When compare the Jagabaat record he should not be treated no different than Burnham. He should be banish from Guyana politics. He done enough damage sugar industry and young people with making the country - drug capital, human trafficking capital, after 23 years still remain most poor and corrupt in the western hemisphere just above Haiti.

Burnham does not have a mansion to show so he also thief more of the nation assets to enrich himself than Burnham. Like Burnham he also  run out all young talents to neighboring countries while hiring Chinese labor for Marriot and Airport projects.

Django posted:

Bibi,

The two current leaders of Guyana one a Burnhamite and the other a Jaganite,does it ring a bell,papa C.B.Jagan wanted a National Front Government,it came in 2015.

Both of these leaders need to depart from the wicked ways of the days of old or Guyana will never move forward.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

Bibi,

The two current leaders of Guyana one a Burnhamite and the other a Jaganite,does it ring a bell,papa C.B.Jagan wanted a National Front Government,it came in 2015.

Both of these leaders need to depart from the wicked ways of the days of old or Guyana will never move forward.

Well i will not say they are extremely wicked,the lawlessness needs to be checked,also the age-able men will not be there forever,I am optimistic Guyana will move forward.

This painting is a distortion of Forbes Burnham's real face. At this rate, 32 years from now the artist's memory would have dimmed further and he might draw Burnham to look like Cuffy.

Now, to the meat of the matter. When Burnham was Head of Government I was a PPP member. In 1977 Party Leader Cheddi Jagan wanted a National Patriotic Front Government with Burnham's PNC. His overture was rebuffed. In 1985 Jagan and Burnham were holding talks for a National Unity Government of the PPP+PNC. Burnham died midway and his successor Desmond Hoyte killed the project.

Obviously, Jagan saw some virtues in Burnham and vice versa. Gilbakka sees some virtues in both Burnham and Jagan. True, both had flaws but they were products of their era.

According to one newspaper report, President Granger said yesterday that the State will henceforward finance the commemoration of death anniversaries of ALL Guyana's presidents. That is a good thing.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Praying to Burnham with your eyes open.  Smart move though.  And people say de man stupitttt!!

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Where did you get this pic from?  Naga knows how to quarrel. You better no provoke the man again.  He will go on a rampage in parliament cussing out the PPP. Dracula bit him a couple of years ago. Beware of the Naga.

Gilbakka posted:

This painting is a distortion of Forbes Burnham's real face. At this rate, 32 years from now the artist's memory would have dimmed further and he might draw Burnham to look like Cuffy.

Now, to the meat of the matter. When Burnham was Head of Government I was a PPP member. In 1977 Party Leader Cheddi Jagan wanted a National Patriotic Front Government with Burnham's PNC. His overture was rebuffed. In 1985 Jagan and Burnham were holding talks for a National Unity Government of the PPP+PNC. Burnham died midway and his successor Desmond Hoyte killed the project.

Obviously, Jagan saw some virtues in Burnham and vice versa. Gilbakka sees some virtues in both Burnham and Jagan. True, both had flaws but they were products of their era.

According to one newspaper report, President Granger said yesterday that the State will henceforward finance the commemoration of death anniversaries of ALL Guyana's presidents. That is a good thing.  

Sounds like the Israelis and the PLO. 

sachin_05 posted:
Drugb posted:

Burnham's name should never be revered, this is the campaign that the Granger and AFC are launching, to sanitize Burnham as the current generation did not live under his rule.

When compare the Jagabaat record he should not be treated no different than Burnham. He should be banish from Guyana politics. He done enough damage sugar industry and young people with making the country - drug capital, human trafficking capital, after 23 years still remain most poor and corrupt in Bthe western hemisphere just above Haiti.

Burnham does not have a mansion to show so he also thief more of the nation assets to enrich himself than Burnham. Like Burnham he also  run out all young talents to neighboring countries while hiring Chinese labor for Marriot and Airport projects.

Get your head out of the sand, Burnham left a legacy of failure and a depressed economy with bruck up roads, economic blight and trampled on civil liberties. Jagdeo on the other hand presided over the most successful economic period that Guyana had ever experienced. The treasury was flushed when he left. The infrastructure vastly improved and the economy buzzing.  Freedom fighters were sent 6 feet under and investors were a plenty. Burnham and Jagdeo were not the same people. Burnham was a tyrant and dictator, Jagdeo was a liberator, both economically as well as from the wicked PNC. 

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Praying to Burnham with your eyes open.  Smart move though.  And people say de man stupitttt!!

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Where did you get this pic from?  Naga knows how to quarrel. You better no provoke the man again.  He will go on a rampage in parliament cussing out the PPP. Dracula bit him a couple of years ago. Beware of the Naga.

A good friend took the pic at the Burnham event yesterday.  Is it me or does Naga already look like he vex bad?

Gilbakka posted:

This painting is a distortion of Forbes Burnham's real face. At this rate, 32 years from now the artist's memory would have dimmed further and he might draw Burnham to look like Cuffy.

Now, to the meat of the matter. When Burnham was Head of Government I was a PPP member. In 1977 Party Leader Cheddi Jagan wanted a National Patriotic Front Government with Burnham's PNC. His overture was rebuffed. In 1985 Jagan and Burnham were holding talks for a National Unity Government of the PPP+PNC. Burnham died midway and his successor Desmond Hoyte killed the project.

Obviously, Jagan saw some virtues in Burnham and vice versa. Gilbakka sees some virtues in both Burnham and Jagan. True, both had flaws but they were products of their era.

According to one newspaper report, President Granger said yesterday that the State will henceforward finance the commemoration of death anniversaries of ALL Guyana's presidents. That is a good thing.  

Burnham look like he gat lil Putagee in him in this pic.  Did Granger reiterate on who he thinks would be the next President added to the commemoration list?

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Praying to Burnham with your eyes open.  Smart move though.  And people say de man stupitttt!!

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Where did you get this pic from?  Naga knows how to quarrel. You better no provoke the man again.  He will go on a rampage in parliament cussing out the PPP. Dracula bit him a couple of years ago. Beware of the Naga.

A good friend took the pic at the Burnham event yesterday.  Is it me or does Naga already look like he vex bad?

Bastard is getting old and more troublesome.  Just look at the bags on his face. It's a reservoir of envy and hate. His days in office are numbered. 

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

Now Bunmham is a hero, these slop can carriers have no shame.

The biggest disciple of Burnham is your hero Jagdeo.  That is why he is called Baby Kong, his teacher being King Kong.

Didn't you say you were going to end your obsession with Jagdeo and stop mentioning his name needlessly over and over again?

Drugb posted:
 Jagdeo on the other hand presided over the most successful economic period that Guyana had ever experienced. 

Really. I suggest that you look at the economic performance between 2000 and 2007. After that gold rescued Guyana.  Real GDP was stagnant in some years, and down in others. 

Jagdeo benefitted from Hoyte reforms and the debt write offs that Jagan was able to negotiate.  The mediocre performance of the economy during his era showed what a failure that he was. 

It was during his era that mass flight to the Caribbean occurred, as Guyanese, desperate to be able to feed their families, were forced to flock to those islands.  And this even includes PPP supporters.  Bajans wanted to know why these PPP supporters voted for that party and that fled to crowd up their tiny island.

What is Jagdeo's legacy. A bankrupt Guysuco and a bunch of failed white elephant schemes.  Lucky they scaled back the airport as Jagdeo wanted this massive structure that what have had more jetways then even busy airports like St Maarten and Antigua.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

Now Bunmham is a hero, these slop can carriers have no shame.

The biggest disciple of Burnham is your hero Jagdeo.  That is why he is called Baby Kong, his teacher being King Kong.

Didn't you say you were going to end your obsession with Jagdeo and stop mentioning his name needlessly over and over again?

I never said anything of the sort. Now you and druggie wish I would as you don't want to talk about the failure that this man was. A man so corrupt that a PPP minister was killed, he screamed that he knew who master minded this killing, and up to now these people walk free (or maybe are in a USA jail if certain allegations are true).

Drugb posted:
. Burnham was a tyrant and dictator, Jagdeo was a liberator, both economically as well as from the wicked PNC. 

Let us get some facts.

1. Sat Sawh's family don't have as high a regard for Jagdeo as you do and in fact WikiLeaks shows that the US government considered Jagdeo to be a protector of drug dealers.  They refused to release any information about narco traffickers to him as their experience showed that within minutes that information would be conveyed to drug traffickers.

2. The Burnham economy was liberalized by Hoyte.  This forced Jagan to forgo his blatant Marxist Leninist economy and let the private sector lead the economy.

3. The "investors" under Jagdeo were a bunch of money launderers who engaged in speculative investment in real estate and retail. The productive sectors, with the exception of gold DECLINED under Jagdeo. The mere fact that a lot of real estate in Guyana is priced in US$ will indicate to you who the real market is. Clue, it isn't grass roots Guyanese who do NOT earn US dollars!

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Did Granger reiterate on who he thinks would be the next President added to the commemoration list?

I don't know. I just spotted the sentence in Stabroek News but no details. Next March, I hope Granger and Nagamootoo join Jagdeo and Ramotar at Babu Jaan to mark the Jagans' death anniversaries. And I hope APNU+AFC keeps its promise to fund the thing, including paying expenses to truck all dem people to the site.

Muslim Scholars and Guyanese Blacks have one thing in common. They seems to pick up history from a vantage point. Imagine dem black ppl claiming dat Guyana had a backward economy when Burnham took over from the Colonials. Then again, how would they know. One has to be gainfully employed inorder to know how the economy was performing.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Praying to Burnham with your eyes open.  Smart move though.  And people say de man stupitttt!!

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Look what "those" people did to the beloved Prime Minister.  The same ones he is worshiping with today.

"In the presence of my wife, I narrowly escaped being kidnapped by Burnham’s police and thugs.
In a nutshell: I was detained and/or jailed at Springlands, No. 51, Whim, Sister’s Village, Blairmont, Fort Wellington, Cove and John, Kitty, La Penitence and Brickdam Police Stations and at Eve Leary CID and Police Headquarters.
I was slapped with politically trumped-up charges ranging from resisting arrests, assaulting police officers, threatening behaviour to unlawful possession of firearm. Not once was I convicted on any of those spurious charges.


Each of those carried its own harrowing details, which I am not going to recount here. A few glimpses of my brush with the Burnham Era would, for now, suffice.
Once, whilst sharing the platform with the revolutionary hero/martyr Dr. Walter Rodney at the Kitty Market Square, a thug threw a bottle of formalin at me. I was knocked into unconsciousness. 
I was an active member of the PPP Central/Executive, but in the eyes of the goons and thugs of the regime that status did not attract any enviable privilege. 


Walter helped to revive me with cold water, and put me back on stage. When I returned, this time naked to my waist, I told the thugs: “next time you want me off this stage, you have to remove my dead body!”
On another occasion, as I got into the car of Ms. Janet Jagan outside her Bel Air house, a policeman suddenly put a gun to my head. With the gun cocked, he screamed: “don’t move!” I was dragged from Ms. Jagan’s car, pushed into another vehicle, and forced to by knees in the back seat. As the vehicle drove off, one of the men in the vehicle tried to wrest my camera away from me. When I resisted, the policeman with the gun, extinguished his lighted cigarette on my chest. 


I was a journalist. My crime? I photographed some suspicious-looking men sitting on a culvert in the vicinity of the home of Dr. Cheddi Jagan, then Leader of the Opposition. I was first held at La Penitence and later taken before Crime Chief, Skip Roberts. He relieved me of the roll of film in my camera, and let me go.
Before that, I was beaten mercilessly by known PNC thugs, dragged between two police horses to the Kitty Station, and then hauled away in handcuffs. Under cover of darkness I was bundled into a car, blindfolded, and driven off to what I believe was the Le Repentir Cemetery. I was placed between two policemen one of whom was repeatedly enquiring loudly, “is de hole finished yet?” After a while, a voice cackled on the intercom: “bring the prisoner in”. The vehicle turned around and I was taken to the Brickdam lock-ups. I was charged with illegal possession of firearm and some other offences.
Being hooded and blindfolded, reminded me of the time when, years before, I was arrested in West Berbice. I was detained at Fort Wellington, then handcuffed and blindfolded, and placed into a land rover with armed policemen. I was transferred to Georgetown, and held ex-communicado with other comrades for 10 days. At that time I was held under the dreaded National Security Act, and threatened repeatedly with being put away at Sibley Hall.
I recall on another occasion when I was assaulted by a former Chief of Staff of the Guyana Defence Force and threatened with death for writing a Mirror article under the caption, “Army Takeover of Parliament”. A day later, I was attacked by men in soldier’s boots, slashed twice at the base of my head and stabbed with what appeared to be a rusty bayonet. Even as I am writing, I caress the scars, and I remember my life in struggle and what could have been.
This narrative is not going to be complete without reference to the anguish of my wife, my infant kids and my late parents as policemen occasionally raided my home, searching for elusive “arms and ammunition”. When I was traveling abroad, I would routinely be detained and strip-searched by plainclothes policemen at the Timehri airport and relieved of booklets and pamphlets. 
I would never be able to know the full effect on my family of what was a prolonged period of state-sponsored terrorism, though I would be forever grateful to them for their courage in withstanding the fear and uncertainty of that period.
Lastly, I recall what was the height of madness during the Burnham era when I was arrested outside Parliament Building on a protest demonstration against the banning of Wheaten flour. I had taken my 4-year-old daughter, Adela (now my legal partner) to the protest. The police arrested her as well, and threw us both in the putrid Brickdam lock-ups, which was already crowded with over a dozen protesters. I remember holding my child in the air, close to the grilled window, so she could get fresh air! Ms. Janet Jagan, accompanied by Attorney and party colleague Ralph Ramkarran, persuaded the police to let my child go. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

We should pay attention to what he wrote.  It is very revealing.  Wonder if anyone in the PNC camp ever challenged the authenticity of his writing.

My friend Moses has an extra-large heart. Just look at his chest. He forgives and forgets. He is a proud Christian.

I look forward to the day when my friend Moses will forgive Jagdeo and his other PPP  ex-comrades and forget the unchristianly persecution/crucifiction he suffered at Freedom House.

Drugb posted:

Burnham's name should never be revered, this is the campaign that the Granger and AFC are launching, to sanitize Burnham as the current generation did not live under his rule.

Burnham fought for equality the same as Hitler fought for peace...or was that piece!!

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

They had it hard under the rule of the PNC. Life for the opposition under Bharat Jagdeo was heaven. Some changes are not good.

So much so that Guyana's population DECLINED under Jagdeo. Even as the USA and Canada had tightened up their immigration forcing Guyanese to flee to coral reefs and volcanic peaks.

What is interesting of this period is that all of the decline is due to a drop in the male population.  This is due to the fact that it was heavily males who went to the islands working in construction or the canefields or as gardeners.   They lived crowded many men sleeping on mattresses on the floor, eking as much as they could to send $$$ back to Guyana.

Yes reports in Barbados that PPP Indians were ordered out of their seats by Bajans who just wished that they would leave the island.  These folks, desperate as ever, didn't even when Bajan cops began to wake them up in the middle of the night and threaten to send them on the first LIAT back to Guyana.

I can only wonder why they went through this, and why did so many PPP supporters flee.  Even as the overall population dropped the Indo population dropped even faster.

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

Now Bunmham is a hero, these slop can carriers have no shame.

You jumped too quick.

Burnham also fought to kill coolies, rig elections and fought to be dicktater for life. He accomplished all of what he set out to do.

Jagdeo fought to kill blacks and tried to rig the last elections, but his plan to stick in fake ballots was caught.  Under Jagdeo para militias controlled by the wealthy roamed the land, PPP ministers and other senior officials had their US, Canada and UK visas revoked. A PPP minister was killed ad Jagdeo refused to arrest the killers, even as he screamed that he knew who they were.

But for Hoyte's reforms which reduced the role of the state in the economy, and the soaring levels of remittances, considerably higher than in the 70s and 80s, and soaring gold prices one can only wonder where Jagdeo would have crashed the economy.  A clue is Skeldon factory which even Peeping Tom, a PPP supporter, concedes is a colossal failure and a behemoth.

ba$eman posted:
Drugb posted:

Burnham's name should never be revered, this is the campaign that the Granger and AFC are launching, to sanitize Burnham as the current generation did not live under his rule.

Burnham fought for equality the same as Hitler fought for peace...or was that piece!!

And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

Now Bunmham is a hero, these slop can carriers have no shame.

You jumped too quick.

Burnham also fought to kill coolies, rig elections and fought to be dicktater for life. He accomplished all of what he set out to do.

You does shoot goat poop hoping it will stick,how much coolies were killed under Burnham comparable to your hero Baby Kong Jagdeo ????

Give the numbers.

Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

Now Bunmham is a hero, these slop can carriers have no shame.

You jumped too quick.

Burnham also fought to kill coolies, rig elections and fought to be dicktater for life. He accomplished all of what he set out to do.

You does shoot goat poop hoping it will stick,how much coolies( were killed under Burnham comparable to your hero Baby Kong Jagdeo ????

Give the numbers.

If you can tell me how many times you waxed Harmun goady, I will be able to answer your question. Make that "how many coolies".

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

Now Bunmham is a hero, these slop can carriers have no shame.

You jumped too quick.

Burnham also fought to kill coolies, rig elections and fought to be dicktater for life. He accomplished all of what he set out to do.

You does shoot goat poop hoping it will stick,how much coolies( were killed under Burnham comparable to your hero Baby Kong Jagdeo ????

Give the numbers.

If you can tell me how many times you waxed Harmun goady, I will be able to answer your question. Make that "how many coolies".

Snide remarks doesn't bolster your argument.

How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.

caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
Drugb posted:

Burnham's name should never be revered, this is the campaign that the Granger and AFC are launching, to sanitize Burnham as the current generation did not live under his rule.

Burnham fought for equality the same as Hitler fought for peace...or was that piece!!

And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

Well said!

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

Chief posted:

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

should we forget the record of

Lamumba, Kwame, Hamilton,

Kit Nascimento, Norman McClean,

Edgehill, Witicka and Bynoe

and Keep Supporting and Voting for the PPP?

 

Or should we distance ourselves

from those Black Thugs,

Killers, Rapist,

Kick-down-door Bandits

and Ballot Box Thieves?????

Chief posted:

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

Even a DUMMY, which in your case will be an improvement knows that Jagdeo EXTERMINATED a Group that killed BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN in their SLEEP!!!  You are beyond dumb, stupid and illiterate!!!

Nehru posted:
Chief posted:

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

Even a DUMMY, which in your case will be an improvement knows that Jagdeo EXTERMINATED a Group that killed BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN in their SLEEP!!!  You are beyond dumb, stupid and illiterate!!!

Using a "DRUG LORD" to do the Exterminating.

Django posted:
Nehru posted:
Chief posted:

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

Even a DUMMY, which in your case will be an improvement knows that Jagdeo EXTERMINATED a Group that killed BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN in their SLEEP!!!  You are beyond dumb, stupid and illiterate!!!

Using a "DRUG LORD" to do the Exterminating.

I thought the Extermination was before the Lusignan massacre.

Django posted:
Nehru posted:
Chief posted:

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

Even a DUMMY, which in your case will be an improvement knows that Jagdeo EXTERMINATED a Group that killed BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN in their SLEEP!!!  You are beyond dumb, stupid and illiterate!!!

Using a "DRUG LORD" to do the Exterminating.

Let us get this straight. RK was snatched before the Lusignan murders.  Jagdeo cried, screamed and wailed, and threaten to leave CARICOM howling at Suriname and T&T for cooperating with the US in the rendition of an "outstanding" Guyanese citizen.

Now Jagdeo is yet to tell us who was responsible for the murders connected to Sat Sawh, and the massacres in Lusignan, Bartica and other places, and the invasion of Kaieteur News, at murders connected to that as well. Let us note that KN was vociferous in its condemnation of the PPP at the time.

Let us also discuss why Burnham was a hooligan because of certain violent characters, yet when these SAME thugs joined the PPP at the invitation of the PPP Jagdeo isn't similarly condemned.

Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

#2: BHOLANAUTH PERMANAND

#3: JAGAN RAMESSAR

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

Allegations are that an Indo PPP minister was killed by people who Jagdeo knows.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

#2: BHOLANAUTH PERMANAND

#3: JAGAN RAMESSAR

Good going. We have 3 so far. How many more we need?

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

#2: BHOLANAUTH PERMANAND

#3: JAGAN RAMESSAR

Good going. We have 3 so far. How many more we need?

#4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 - the seven members of the Jaikarran family of Chance, Mahaicony in August, 1964.

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

#2: BHOLANAUTH PERMANAND

#3: JAGAN RAMESSAR

Good going. We have 3 so far. How many more we need?

Keep counting,

Skelly can help with some names,

this what he said "Burnham also fought to kill coolies"

Eight in Family Are Killed in British Guiana Bombing

GEORGETOWN, British Guiana, June 12—Arthur Abra‐ham, 47 years old, who was once permanent secretary in Premier Cheddi B. Jagan's of‐fice, and seven of his nine chil‐dren died today when their city home was burned down after terrorists had thrown two bombs into it. The children, four girls and three boys, were from 6 to 10 years old.

Mr. Abraham was transferred to the Ministry of Works six months ago after documents disappeared from his office.

The bombs were thrown as the family slept. Mrs. Abraham escaped by jumping through a window. The other two children were away from home.

Terrorists also tried to burn down the home of Senator Ann Jardim, a member of the

United Force party of Peter D’Aguiar.

Today's deaths brought to 46 the number of persons killed in the 121-day‐old strike of sugar workers.

(Over 30 of those killed in this number were Indians.  I don't have their names or the exact number.)

"In December 1964, the PNC became the major party in a coalition government with the United Force and Burnham became Premier of British Guiana. He led the country to Independence on May 26, 1966, becoming under the constitution, the first Prime Minister of Guyana, as the country was now called. On February 23, 1970 Guyana became a Co-operative Republic."

fsburnhamfoundation.org/bibfb.php


 

Bibi take note.

Two from Sooknanan family. 4 from Ally family.

"To date there has been no closure for the massacre of the three unarmed Indian families at Mahaicony, East Coast Demerara, Guyana. Police dog Rio tracked the Ally's murderer to the Sergeant at Mahaicony Police Station. He was flown away to Lethem. The murder of the Sooknanans remained uninvestigated. The murderers of the Allys and Jaikarans were 'legally' identified and arrested; yet they were never brought to justice. The death toll among the three families alone was thirteen."

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
 
 

Keep counting,

Skelly can help with some names,

this what he said "Burnham also fought to kill coolies"

Bibi start padding de list wid coolies killed during the 1960s riots, Jagan time before December 1, 1964. She no comprende.

Probably born during Burnham era,learned how to pad the list.

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
 
 

Keep counting,

Skelly can help with some names,

this what he said "Burnham also fought to kill coolies"

Bibi start padding de list wid coolies killed during the 1960s riots, Jagan time before December 1, 1964. She no comprende.

The Burnham coup d'état was in motion in 1964. Let these coolies be counted.  My father know the whole Mahaicony clan and all those houses that were burnt down on Branch road and Central Mahaicony.  He saved many lives during that time.  These stories were told at our dinner table.  I know my history.

Bibi Haniffa posted: 
 The Burnham coup d'état was in motion in 1964. Let these coolies be counted.  My father know the whole Mahaicony clan and all those houses that were burnt down on Branch road and Central Mahaicony.  He saved many lives during that time.  These stories were told at our dinner table.  I know my history.

Arright, leh we add de 13. So 3 + 13 = 16. How many more we need?

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted: 
 The Burnham coup d'état was in motion in 1964. Let these coolies be counted.  My father know the whole Mahaicony clan and all those houses that were burnt down on Branch road and Central Mahaicony.  He saved many lives during that time.  These stories were told at our dinner table.  I know my history.

Arright, leh we add de 13. So 3 + 13 = 16. How many more we need?

Suh tha is all the Coolies killed and East Indians was the majority in 1985.

r@ss i thought it was a genocide,me think Baseman does seh suh.

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted: 
 The Burnham coup d'état was in motion in 1964. Let these coolies be counted.  My father know the whole Mahaicony clan and all those houses that were burnt down on Branch road and Central Mahaicony.  He saved many lives during that time.  These stories were told at our dinner table.  I know my history.

Arright, leh we add de 13. So 3 + 13 = 16. How many more we need?

Suh tha is all the Coolies killed and East Indians was the majority in 1985.

r@ss i thought it was a genocide,me think Baseman does seh suh.

What? You think Burnham should have killed more coolie?

Django posted:
Arright, leh we add de 13. So 3 + 13 = 16. How many more we need?

Suh tha is all the Coolies killed and East Indians was the majority in 1985.

r@ss i thought it was a genocide,me think Baseman does seh suh.

Hold it, banna. We still counting. I scratching me head bad-bad fo rememba. In 1972 a coolie man named Victor Yassin, owner of Carib Hotel at Liliendaal, was murdered. So 16 + 1 = 17.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Arright, leh we add de 13. So 3 + 13 = 16. How many more we need?

Suh tha is all the Coolies killed and East Indians was the majority in 1985.

r@ss i thought it was a genocide,me think Baseman does seh suh.

What? You think Burnham should have killed more coolie?

You deh pun stupidness,lighten up.

Nehru posted:
Chief posted:

Let me see you refute any of this or even try to!

 

"And Jagdeo, ever the loyal student, copied Burnham.  He even went better.  Rather than having the House of Israel with its sticks and stones Jagdeo had the Phantoms with machine guns. Both used to kill "anti government traitors".

 

Even a DUMMY, which in your case will be an improvement knows that Jagdeo EXTERMINATED a Group that killed BABIES, WOMEN, CHILDREN in their SLEEP!!!  You are beyond dumb, stupid and illiterate!!!

Drunk again?

There should be some control for Nehru he should never Post While Drunk!

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 The Burnham coup d'état was in motion in 1964. Let these coolies be counted.  My father know the whole Mahaicony clan and all those houses that were burnt down on Branch road and Central Mahaicony.  He saved many lives during that time.  These stories were told at our dinner table.  I know my history.

But you forgot to add the 5 coolies killed in Wismar in 1964. But then again, you have to square that up with the Son Chapman black martyrs, dozens of them. 54 to be exact. 

Since the history of Guyana was never accurately recorded, we will never know the exact number of people who were political martyrs.  On the ECD, every single Indian person was removed from the villages of Bachelor's Adventure, Victoria, and Belfield.  Some were killed.  Others were driven out.  Many of their houses were burned to the ground.  By the end of 1966, there were no Indians left in those villages.  A few returned to sell their land cheaply.  Only to never return again.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Since the history of Guyana was never accurately recorded, we will never know the exact number of people who were political martyrs.  On the ECD, every single Indian person was removed from the villages of Bachelor's Adventure, Victoria, and Belfield.  Some were killed.  Others were driven out.  Many of their houses were burned to the ground.  By the end of 1966, there were no Indians left in those villages.  A few returned to sell their land cheaply.  Only to never return again.

Suh the "Commission of Inquiry" did not give a true picture of what happened.

Did you read it ??  http://www.guyana.org/govt/wynnparry_report.html

Refresh your memory.

24.The two largest ethnic groups of the population of British Guiana are the East Indians and Africans. At the end of 1961 the East Indians formed 49 per cent of the total population and Africans 32.7 per cent. The East Indians it may be mentioned are the descendants of the indentured labour originally imported from India to work on the sugar cane farms. More than a quarter of a million of them were brought over between 1844 and 1914, and of these 65,000 were repatriated to India, while the rest remained to make a permanent home for themselves in British Guiana. The Africans are the descendants of the slaves who were brought by European settlers to work on the land and were later emancipated. They and their descendants adopted British Guiana as their homeland. In addition to these two ethnic groups, there are some Chinese, Portuguese and Amerindians, who are the descendants of the original Red Indian residents. As is inevitable in a country of several races, there is a substantial element of what is now known as "mixed population"'. The East Indians are for the most part agriculturalists and, therefore, residents of villages. They work on the sugar cane and rice farms. The Africans, for the most part, are factory workers and, therefore, town dwellers. Thus we find that according to tire Census of 1946 the Africans comprised 53.6 per cent of the population of Georgetown and East Indians numbered only 15.5 per cent. it would appear that a similar state of affairs also obtains in New Amsterdam. The Portuguese are mostly town dwellers and are employed in commerce, and almost all the Chinese and Europeans live in the towns. The Amerindians are to be found in the Savannahs.

25. The initial aloofness of the Indians, springing, perhaps, from a nostalgic attachment to their native land, is no longer observable and the present generation of East Indians have not only accepted British Guiana as the country which they inhabit and to which they owe allegiance, but they have without qualification or reservation identified themselves with every aspect of its life. Their inherent habits of hard work and thrift have enabled many of them to rise above the humble status of manual workers and enter the professions of law, medicine, commerce, and the civil service.

26. The Indians now take a prominent part in the social and political life of the country. There are several able lawyers. including more than one Queen's Counsel, and a number of highly qualified doctors. Dr. Jagan, the Premier and several of the Ministers in his Cabinet are East Indians.

27. With regard to the political affiliations of the various ethnic groups, although there is no sharply defined classification, the Indians, for the most part, support the People s Progressive Party, of which Dr. Jagan, the present Premier, is the leader. The Africans support, for the most part, the People's National Congress, which was inaugurated comparatively recently. Mr. Burnham, a local barrister, is the leader of this party. Until a few years ago he was a colleague and supporter of Dr. Jagan. The Portuguese, for the most part, support the party known as the United Force, of which Mr. D'Aguiar, and important businessman of Georgetown is the leader. It is difficult to escape the hypothesis that considerations of race are to some extent responsible for political affiliations and loyalties, although it must be stated that many East Indians support Mr. Burnham's party and many Africans owe allegiance to Dr. Jagan's party. The various political parties are of recent birth and, being still in the formative period, the convictions and loyalties of their members are somewhat superficial and personal.

28. We found little evidence of any racial segregation in the social life of the country and in Georgetown, East Indians and Africans seemed to mix and associate with one another on terms of the greatest cordiality, though it was clear that the recent disturbances and the racial twist given to them by some of the unprincipled and self seeking politicians had introduced slight, but it is hoped, transient over-tones of doubt and reserve. Among the inhabitants of Georgetown there is, of course, always present the danger that hostile and anti racial sentiments may be aroused by a clash of the hopes and ambitions of rival politicians. We draw attention to this possibility because there have been indications of such friction in the past, although, as will appear in the course of this report, the disturbances of February 16th did not originate in a racial conflict, nor did they develop into a trial of strength between the East Indians and the Africans.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Since the history of Guyana was never accurately recorded, we will never know the exact number of people who were political martyrs.  On the ECD, every single Indian person was removed from the villages of Bachelor's Adventure, Victoria, and Belfield.  Some were killed.  Others were driven out.  Many of their houses were burned to the ground.  By the end of 1966, there were no Indians left in those villages.  A few returned to sell their land cheaply.  Only to never return again.

You are absolutely correct. But the obverse is also true. By the end of 1964 not a black man was left in Leonora, Enterprise and Enmore. Dem get chase out.

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Since the history of Guyana was never accurately recorded, we will never know the exact number of people who were political martyrs.  On the ECD, every single Indian person was removed from the villages of Bachelor's Adventure, Victoria, and Belfield.  Some were killed.  Others were driven out.  Many of their houses were burned to the ground.  By the end of 1966, there were no Indians left in those villages.  A few returned to sell their land cheaply.  Only to never return again.

You are absolutely correct. But the obverse is also true. By the end of 1964 not a black man was left in Leonora, Enterprise and Enmore. Dem get chase out.

When were they chased out and by whom?   My mother's family lived at Enmore since the 1870s and it was always predominantly Indian.  

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Since the history of Guyana was never accurately recorded, we will never know the exact number of people who were political martyrs.  On the ECD, every single Indian person was removed from the villages of Bachelor's Adventure, Victoria, and Belfield.  Some were killed.  Others were driven out.  Many of their houses were burned to the ground.  By the end of 1966, there were no Indians left in those villages.  A few returned to sell their land cheaply.  Only to never return again.

You are absolutely correct. But the obverse is also true. By the end of 1964 not a black man was left in Leonora, Enterprise and Enmore. Dem get chase out.

Same at,Cornelia Ida .

Bibi Haniffa posted:
When were they chased out and by whom?   My other's family lived at Enmore since the 1870s and it was always predominantly Indian.  

Predominantly Indian is not the same as wholly Indian. A minority of blacks lived in Enmore and were chased out by the Indians during the 1960s racial disturbances. My mamee was from Enmore Pasture and in 1962 I heard her telling my mamoo about her black neighbours. My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

Likewise, Leonora had a few black residents who were also chased out because Leonora was/is a well-known PPP stronghold. In August 1969 Burnham officially opened the newly built Leonora Government School. In his speech Burnham recalled his last visit to Leonora during the 1964 election campaign. He said someone pelted him with a bottle that cut his knee. I watched as he lifted up his pants sleeve to show the scar. I was a teacher there. Now, if dem Leonora people could give Burnham a life scar, what would they not do to an ordinary blackman?

Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

How come Skeldon_Man nah like blackman? Oh, never mind ... he admit he ugly. Blackman nicer than he. 

Django posted:
Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

Same at Hague WCD.

NOT TRUE, THEY KILLED A BLACK MAN AT HAGUE BACK DAM.

Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

How come Skeldon_Man nah like blackman? Oh, never mind ... he admit he ugly. Blackman nicer than he. 

Gilly you are back with all your glory!

Chief posted:
Django posted:
Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

Same at Hague WCD.

NOT TRUE, THEY KILLED A BLACK MAN AT HAGUE BACK DAM.

Actually, they shot him on the dam between Hague and Den Amstel. I can't remember the man's name. 

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Eight in Family Are Killed in British Guiana Bombing

GEORGETOWN, British Guiana, June 12—Arthur Abra‐ham, 47 years old, who was once permanent secretary in Premier Cheddi B. Jagan's of‐fice, and seven of his nine chil‐dren died today when their city home was burned down after terrorists had thrown two bombs into it. The children, four girls and three boys, were from 6 to 10 years old.

Mr. Abraham was transferred to the Ministry of Works six months ago after documents disappeared from his office.

The bombs were thrown as the family slept. Mrs. Abraham escaped by jumping through a window. The other two children were away from home.

Terrorists also tried to burn down the home of Senator Ann Jardim, a member of the

United Force party of Peter D’Aguiar.

Today's deaths brought to 46 the number of persons killed in the 121-day‐old strike of sugar workers.

(Over 30 of those killed in this number were Indians.  I don't have their names or the exact number.)

Mr. Abraham was a UF member and a lifelong civil servant who was the Permanent Secretary for the Premier's (Jagan) Office. He had previously worked in the Governor General's office before assuming the position at the Premier's Office. He was suspected of giving secrets to the opposition and was transferred out of the Premier's Office to the Ministry of Works. His daughter who was living in his home, was also a well known UF youth activist. She worked at Barclay's Bank and reported that she saw checks coming from Russia for the benefit of the PPP. She was charged with sedition by the PPP government for spilling state secrets.

The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found but who had the motive to do this?

skeldon_man posted:
 
 

If you can tell me how many times you waxed Harmun goady, I will be able to answer your question. Make that "how many coolies".

You mean in addition to slop can duties, djangy blowing harmun? What a job to undertake in ones old age.  It probably helps when the man tek out he false teeth.

Chief posted:
Django posted:
Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

Same at Hague WCD.

NOT TRUE, THEY KILLED A BLACK MAN AT HAGUE BACK DAM.

Well Chief an Indian named  Motilall was killed at Hague Back while working in his rice field.

Suh my bad Skeldon is ahead.

Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:
Django posted:
Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

Same at Hague WCD.

NOT TRUE, THEY KILLED A BLACK MAN AT HAGUE BACK DAM.

Actually, they shot him on the dam between Hague and Den Amstel. I can't remember the man's name. 

That dam is in Fellowship.

Drugb posted:
skeldon_man posted:
 
 

If you can tell me how many times you waxed Harmun goady, I will be able to answer your question. Make that "how many coolies".

You mean in addition to slop can duties, djangy blowing harmun? What a job to undertake in ones old age.  It probably helps when the man tek out he false teeth.

You always DEH PUN SK...NT,

nothing to add only imagining someone appearance,worry about yourself.

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
When were they chased out and by whom?   My other's family lived at Enmore since the 1870s and it was always predominantly Indian.  

Predominantly Indian is not the same as wholly Indian. A minority of blacks lived in Enmore and were chased out by the Indians during the 1960s racial disturbances. My mamee was from Enmore Pasture and in 1962 I heard her telling my mamoo about her black neighbours. My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

Likewise, Leonora had a few black residents who were also chased out because Leonora was/is a well-known PPP stronghold. In August 1969 Burnham officially opened the newly built Leonora Government School. In his speech Burnham recalled his last visit to Leonora during the 1964 election campaign. He said someone pelted him with a bottle that cut his knee. I watched as he lifted up his pants sleeve to show the scar. I was a teacher there. Now, if dem Leonora people could give Burnham a life scar, what would they not do to an ordinary blackman?

I have seen many pics from the colonial era of Enmore and all I saw was Caucasian looking people.  I was told that the blacks pooled their money with other villagers and bought the village of Victoria and move away shortly after 1838.  Dr. Balwant Singh has a sister-in-law (wife sister) who had a "big, bright shop" on the train line at Enmore.  Do you know her?

Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Eight in Family Are Killed in British Guiana Bombing

GEORGETOWN, British Guiana, June 12—Arthur Abra‐ham, 47 years old, who was once permanent secretary in Premier Cheddi B. Jagan's of‐fice, and seven of his nine chil‐dren died today when their city home was burned down after terrorists had thrown two bombs into it. The children, four girls and three boys, were from 6 to 10 years old.

Mr. Abraham was transferred to the Ministry of Works six months ago after documents disappeared from his office.

The bombs were thrown as the family slept. Mrs. Abraham escaped by jumping through a window. The other two children were away from home.

Terrorists also tried to burn down the home of Senator Ann Jardim, a member of the

United Force party of Peter D’Aguiar.

Today's deaths brought to 46 the number of persons killed in the 121-day‐old strike of sugar workers.

(Over 30 of those killed in this number were Indians.  I don't have their names or the exact number.)

Mr. Abraham was a UF member and a lifelong civil servant who was the Permanent Secretary for the Premier's (Jagan) Office. He had previously worked in the Governor General's office before assuming the position at the Premier's Office. He was suspected of giving secrets to the opposition and was transferred out of the Premier's Office to the Ministry of Works. His daughter who was living in his home, was also a well known UF youth activist. She worked at Barclay's Bank and reported that she saw checks coming from Russia for the benefit of the PPP. She was charged with sedition by the PPP government for spilling state secrets.

The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found but who had the motive to do this?

If you are insinuating that the PPP killed this family, you need to give us some more facts.  And why didn't Burnham take any action on this case since he was in power from 1964 - 1985?  Does that explain why the "The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found."

Mrs. Patricia Abraham recently died a few months ago in Toronto at the age of 98.

Bibi Haniffa posted:

Dr. Balwant Singh has a sister-in-law (wife sister) who had a "big, bright shop" on the train line at Enmore.  Do you know her?

No. I remember a big bright shop near the train station. I was sibala in 1962 when my mamoo married Jan Singh's daughter at Enmore Pasture. Next visit: Easter weekend 1963. My mamee died in 1963 at age 23. Next visit: June 1974 when I spoke at a GAWU Enmore Martyrs' Day Rally at Roberts Square. Next visit: 1984 to attend another rally. Never stepped into Enmore after that. I got acquainted with Dr Balwant Singh in Georgetown. Another member of the clan, Indra Raj of Indra's Hair Dressing Salon on Oronoque St, cut my hair from 1972 to 1996.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mars posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Eight in Family Are Killed in British Guiana Bombing

GEORGETOWN, British Guiana, June 12—Arthur Abra‐ham, 47 years old, who was once permanent secretary in Premier Cheddi B. Jagan's of‐fice, and seven of his nine chil‐dren died today when their city home was burned down after terrorists had thrown two bombs into it. The children, four girls and three boys, were from 6 to 10 years old.

Mr. Abraham was transferred to the Ministry of Works six months ago after documents disappeared from his office.

The bombs were thrown as the family slept. Mrs. Abraham escaped by jumping through a window. The other two children were away from home.

Terrorists also tried to burn down the home of Senator Ann Jardim, a member of the

United Force party of Peter D’Aguiar.

Today's deaths brought to 46 the number of persons killed in the 121-day‐old strike of sugar workers.

(Over 30 of those killed in this number were Indians.  I don't have their names or the exact number.)

Mr. Abraham was a UF member and a lifelong civil servant who was the Permanent Secretary for the Premier's (Jagan) Office. He had previously worked in the Governor General's office before assuming the position at the Premier's Office. He was suspected of giving secrets to the opposition and was transferred out of the Premier's Office to the Ministry of Works. His daughter who was living in his home, was also a well known UF youth activist. She worked at Barclay's Bank and reported that she saw checks coming from Russia for the benefit of the PPP. She was charged with sedition by the PPP government for spilling state secrets.

The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found but who had the motive to do this?

If you are insinuating that the PPP killed this family, you need to give us some more facts.  And why didn't Burnham take any action on this case since he was in power from 1964 - 1985?  Does that explain why the "The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found."

Mrs. Patricia Abraham recently died a few months ago in Toronto at the age of 98.

Well you were insinuating that the PNC killed them and that they were Indian, without offering a shred of evidence. They were not Indian people and they belonged to the UF Party. The PNC and the UF had no motive to kill them since they were working with the Opposition against the PPP Government. The father and his daughter were accused by the PPP government of spilling state secrets. The father was transferred and the daughter was charged with a serious crime. Why didn't Jagan find the perpetrators if the PNC killed them? I presented the facts and it's quite obvious that the PPP had more to gain from their deaths than any other party.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
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#4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 - the seven members of the Jaikarran family of Chance, Mahaicony in August, 1964.

Burnham wasn't prime minister then and you also need to add those blacks killed in the Son Chapman and other incidences of slaughter by the bloodthirsty PYO.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
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When were they chased out and by whom?   My mother's family lived at Enmore since the 1870s and it was always predominantly Indian.  

Stop your hypocritical nonsense. It is a matter of record that violence perpetuated by BOTH groups led to people from BOTH groups being forced to move to places where their ethnic group dominated.

I know that your Indo KKK tendencies lead to you wanting to paint blacks as savages but you will NOT be allowed to do this.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

And why didn't Burnham take any action on this case since he was in power from 1964 - 1985?  Does that explain why the "The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found."

Mrs. Patricia Abraham recently died a few months ago in Toronto at the age of 98.

Why didn't the PPP take any action to find the killers of Sat Sawh as well as those involved in the massacres of Lusignan, Bartica and elsewhere?  Jagdeo screamed that he knew who was involved.

Nehru posted:

Ther animalsistic Group: The PNC and their FILTH HEAD supporters calling PYO blood thirsty. Well, I am not surprise at Ian Smith !!!

Stay off the rum and then you will come to your senses.

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

And why didn't Burnham take any action on this case since he was in power from 1964 - 1985?  Does that explain why the "The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found."

Mrs. Patricia Abraham recently died a few months ago in Toronto at the age of 98.

Why didn't the PPP take any action to find the killers of Sat Sawh as well as those involved in the massacres of Lusignan, Bartica and elsewhere?  Jagdeo screamed that he knew who was involved.

And President Jagdeo is on record, saying that he knew who Sat Sawh killers are.

Chief posted:
Nehru posted:

Ther animalsistic Group: The PNC and their FILTH HEAD supporters calling PYO blood thirsty. Well, I am not surprise at Ian Smith !!!

Stay off the rum and then you will come to your senses.

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

I rather drink rum that ROB and CHEAT people in a friggin Masjid!! Bloody low life thief!!!

Chief posted:
Nehru posted:

Ther animalsistic Group: The PNC and their FILTH HEAD supporters calling PYO blood thirsty. Well, I am not surprise at Ian Smith !!!

Stay off the rum and then you will come to your senses.

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

Please elaborate on that.  And playing "police and thief" using a sling shot doesn't count.

caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

And why didn't Burnham take any action on this case since he was in power from 1964 - 1985?  Does that explain why the "The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found."

Mrs. Patricia Abraham recently died a few months ago in Toronto at the age of 98.

Why didn't the PPP take any action to find the killers of Sat Sawh as well as those involved in the massacres of Lusignan, Bartica and elsewhere?  Jagdeo screamed that he knew who was involved.

Here we go with the lies again.  Weren't those killers in the prison that was recently burnt down so they could be let loose? - once again!  Where did the guns come from that the prisoners used?  How did the get matches and gasoline in the prison?

Chief posted:
caribny posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

And why didn't Burnham take any action on this case since he was in power from 1964 - 1985?  Does that explain why the "The perpetrators of this heinous crime were never officially found."

Mrs. Patricia Abraham recently died a few months ago in Toronto at the age of 98.

Why didn't the PPP take any action to find the killers of Sat Sawh as well as those involved in the massacres of Lusignan, Bartica and elsewhere?  Jagdeo screamed that he knew who was involved.

And President Jagdeo is on record, saying that he knew who Sat Sawh killers are.

Most of the killers are 6 feet under. What more are you expecting of the man? 

Nehru posted:
Chief posted:
Nehru posted:

Ther animalsistic Group: The PNC and their FILTH HEAD supporters calling PYO blood thirsty. Well, I am not surprise at Ian Smith !!!

Stay off the rum and then you will come to your senses.

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

I rather drink rum that ROB and CHEAT people in a friggin Masjid!! Bloody low life thief!!!

 

 

 "a friggin Masjid"

Remember never use a curse word to describe God's House.

Shame on you Nehru !

 

 

 

Chief posted:

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

PYO never gave Gilbakka military training. I taught myself the theory of guerrilla warfare. I studied Che Guevara's "Guerrilla Warfare", Regis Debray's "Revolution in the Revolution?", William J Pomeroy's "Guerrilla Warfare and Marxism", Vo Nguyen Giap's "Military Art of People's War" etc. I mastered the theory and was waiting for General Jagan's call to battle. It never came. De man soft.

Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

PYO never gave Gilbakka military training. I taught myself the theory of guerrilla warfare. I studied Che Guevara's "Guerrilla Warfare", Regis Debray's "Revolution in the Revolution?", William J Pomeroy's "Guerrilla Warfare and Marxism", Vo Nguyen Giap's "Military Art of People's War" etc. I mastered the theory and was waiting for General Jagan's call to battle. It never came. De man soft.

Didn't  Accarbre College supplied you with the all of the above material  and information? 

Did you just woke up one day and say you want to be a warfare guerrilla, or was the political party that you were affiliated cause you to think that yes you can overthrow the Government?

 

Gilbakka posted:
Nehru posted:

Gilly, dat Banna think everyone is a soup drinker and sellout like him!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder if Chief got any military training from the YSM or ISIS. Wha yuh think?

He to dumb to be trained!!

 

He now use Religion for glory wealth and power!!!

Chief posted:

Didn't  Accarbre College supplied you with the all of the above material  and information? 

Did you just woke up one day and say you want to be a warfare guerrilla, or was the political party that you were affiliated cause you to think that yes you can overthrow the Government?

 

Gilbakka never attended Accabre College. He was never invited to attend a course. With modesty Gilbakka can say today that he was far more brilliant than tutors at Accabre who were drawn from Freedom House or GAWU office. 

As for your second question, here is my answer. I was a serious political activist who spent my pocket money to buy PPP-Marxist-Socialist-Communist literature from Michael Forde Bookshop. At the height of the Cold War, having regard to the prevailing international situation and how it impacted on the local situation, I strove conscientiously to arm myself with necessary knowledge. As you know, knowledge is power. As it turned out, such a background served me well during my journalism days.

Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
When were they chased out and by whom?   My other's family lived at Enmore since the 1870s and it was always predominantly Indian.  

Predominantly Indian is not the same as wholly Indian. A minority of blacks lived in Enmore and were chased out by the Indians during the 1960s racial disturbances. My mamee was from Enmore Pasture and in 1962 I heard her telling my mamoo about her black neighbours. My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

Likewise, Leonora had a few black residents who were also chased out because Leonora was/is a well-known PPP stronghold. In August 1969 Burnham officially opened the newly built Leonora Government School. In his speech Burnham recalled his last visit to Leonora during the 1964 election campaign. He said someone pelted him with a bottle that cut his knee. I watched as he lifted up his pants sleeve to show the scar. I was a teacher there. Now, if dem Leonora people could give Burnham a life scar, what would they not do to an ordinary blackman?

how dr balwant singh relate to you

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:
 
 

Keep counting,

Skelly can help with some names,

this what he said "Burnham also fought to kill coolies"

Bibi start padding de list wid coolies killed during the 1960s riots, Jagan time before December 1, 1964. She no comprende.

The Burnham coup d'état was in motion in 1964. Let these coolies be counted.  My father know the whole Mahaicony clan and all those houses that were burnt down on Branch road and Central Mahaicony.  He saved many lives during that time.  These stories were told at our dinner table.  I know my history.

so i guess you know balchand,baie,Dougla Alfred some of the people that fight back the blacks

Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

So you and Bibi related.

warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

BRADDAPPP!!! Warrior and Bibi are cousins of sorts. Real surru-durru on dis forum.

Django posted:
warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

So you and Bibi related.

na she too ugly

Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

PYO never gave Gilbakka military training. I taught myself the theory of guerrilla warfare. I studied Che Guevara's "Guerrilla Warfare", Regis Debray's "Revolution in the Revolution?", William J Pomeroy's "Guerrilla Warfare and Marxism", Vo Nguyen Giap's "Military Art of People's War" etc. I mastered the theory and was waiting for General Jagan's call to battle. It never came. De man soft.

Impressive.........

Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

BRADDAPPP!!! Warrior and Bibi are cousins of sorts. Real surru-durru on dis forum.

i guess that is why she know about mahaicony dr balwant background is from there so her family maybe from mora point 

warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
Django posted: So you and Bibi related.

na she too ugly

Then how come she not related to Skeldon_Man? He ugly too.

i bet both of them swim in the same trench 

Careful there. Bibi most likely swims in the Marriott's pool.

Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
Django posted: So you and Bibi related.

na she too ugly

Then how come she not related to Skeldon_Man? He ugly too.

i bet both of them swim in the same trench 

Careful there. Bibi most likely swims in the Marriott's pool.

only if ppp was in power no more freeco 

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 

Please elaborate on that.  And playing "police and thief" using a sling shot doesn't count.

Bibi the PNC and the UF obtained their guns from the CIA. The PYO obtained guns and training from Fidel Castro.

These facts are known.  That you maybe ignorant of this is really your problem.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
caribny posted:
 

Why didn't the PPP take any action to find the killers of Sat Sawh as well as those involved in the massacres of Lusignan, Bartica and elsewhere?  Jagdeo screamed that he knew who was involved.

Here we go with the lies again.  Weren't those killers in the prison that was recently burnt down so they could be let loose? - once again!  Where did the guns come from that the prisoners used?  How did the get matches and gasoline in the prison?

Jagdeo is on record saying that he knew who the master minds of the various killings were. NO ONE was arrested apart from some petty hooligans.

You however have no proof tying those who recently escaped jail to these massacres.

warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

No freaking way!   Then you must be the dumbest person in this family.  Dr. Balwant Singh's mother and my great grandmother are two sisters.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:
warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

No freaking way!   Then you must be the dumbest person in this family.  Dr. Balwant Singh's mother and my great grandmother are two sisters.  

You are upset that Warrior is more closely related to the Dr. yippieyippie

Bibi Haniffa posted:
 
No freaking way!   Then you must be the dumbest person in this family.  Dr. Balwant Singh's mother and my great grandmother are two sisters.  
 

This is a continuation of the age-old tale of rich cousins berating poor cousins. Nothing new under the sun. Dumbest or no dumbest, Warrior comes from high pedigree too. I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Mitwah posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

No freaking way!   Then you must be the dumbest person in this family.  Dr. Balwant Singh's mother and my great grandmother are two sisters.  

You are upset that Warrior is more closely related to the Dr. yippieyippie

I don't believe him for a moment.  We don't have family in Better Hope, ECD where he is from. 

Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

#2: BHOLANAUTH PERMANAND

#3: JAGAN RAMESSAR

Good going. We have 3 so far. How many more we need?

Keep counting,

Skelly can help with some names,

this what he said "Burnham also fought to kill coolies"

Bai, just logged in. Had a minor surgery done on my foot..bone spurs. That's from all the hard work to make an honest living.
Does Shirley Field Ridley count? Was this lady Hammie Green's wife?
Does killing by starvation count?

warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
Django posted: So you and Bibi related.

na she too ugly

Then how come she not related to Skeldon_Man? He ugly too.

i bet both of them swim in the same trench 

And they are smarter than you. You might need to swim in a latrine pit to get any smarts.

Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:

Skeldon was the only place in Guyana that was not affected by the ugly race riots back in the 60s.

Up to  today, thank God , Skeldon is still the place where the two major races live in peace with each other.

How come Skeldon_Man nah like blackman? Oh, never mind ... he admit he ugly. Blackman nicer than he. 

They constantly fighting me fuh see who moe ugly. I keep winning though.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
warrior posted:
Gilbakka posted:
warrior posted:
 

 My mamee was a relative of your mother and Dr Balwant Singh.

 

how dr balwant singh relate to you

He was related to my mother's brother's wife, as noted above. And Bibi is closely related to Dr Singh. She came from high pedigree.

he is my father first cousin 

 

No freaking way!   Then you must be the dumbest person in this family.  Dr. Balwant Singh's mother and my great grandmother are two sisters.  

You are upset that Warrior is more closely related to the Dr. yippieyippie

I don't believe him for a moment.  We don't have family in Better Hope, ECD where he is from. 

Calling you that name of the female species would be an insult to that breed of animals. You are no lady and you are to be treated as such. Carry on with yuh ugly uppity self suh. yippieyippieyippie

Chief posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

PYO never gave Gilbakka military training. I taught myself the theory of guerrilla warfare. I studied Che Guevara's "Guerrilla Warfare", Regis Debray's "Revolution in the Revolution?", William J Pomeroy's "Guerrilla Warfare and Marxism", Vo Nguyen Giap's "Military Art of People's War" etc. I mastered the theory and was waiting for General Jagan's call to battle. It never came. De man soft.

Didn't  Accarbre College supplied you with the all of the above material  and information? 

Did you just woke up one day and say you want to be a warfare guerrilla, or was the political party that you were affiliated cause you to think that yes you can overthrow the Government?

 

Chief, I suggest you analyze your grammar here and tell the truth. You did not get a distinction in English GCE.

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: How many Coolies were killed under Burnham,give a number.
 

32 years after Burnham's death it's mighty hard to provide a number. But we can start counting killed coolies from memory and add them up. Lemme start the ball rolling with #1: VINCENT TEEKAH. 

#2: BHOLANAUTH PERMANAND

#3: JAGAN RAMESSAR

Good going. We have 3 so far. How many more we need?

Keep counting,

Skelly can help with some names,

this what he said "Burnham also fought to kill coolies"

Bai, just logged in. Had a minor surgery done on my foot..bone spurs. That's from all the hard work to make an honest living.
Does Shirley Field Ridley count? Was this lady Hammie Green's wife?
Does killing by starvation count?

Get well soon,heard bone spurs are painful.

Gilbakka posted:

This painting is a distortion of Forbes Burnham's real face. At this rate, 32 years from now the artist's memory would have dimmed further and he might draw Burnham to look like Cuffy.

Now, to the meat of the matter. When Burnham was Head of Government I was a PPP member. In 1977 Party Leader Cheddi Jagan wanted a National Patriotic Front Government with Burnham's PNC. His overture was rebuffed. In 1985 Jagan and Burnham were holding talks for a National Unity Government of the PPP+PNC. Burnham died midway and his successor Desmond Hoyte killed the project.

Obviously, Jagan saw some virtues in Burnham and vice versa. Gilbakka sees some virtues in both Burnham and Jagan. True, both had flaws but they were products of their era.

According to one newspaper report, President Granger said yesterday that the State will henceforward finance the commemoration of death anniversaries of ALL Guyana's presidents. That is a good thing.  

Since 1961 Dr.Jagan invited Mr.Burnham and the PNC to join him and the PPP in some form of power sharing but this was ignoired by the PNC leadership which was already in negotiating with external forces to remove the PPP. Dr.Jagan was consistent in his efforts to foster unity and eventually in 1985 a formula was worked out for a power sharing arrangement. Some members of the inter party committee which brokered the proposed arrangement are still alive and can reached for clarification on this. It was agreed  that after the 1985 PPP congress an announcement would have been made however Burnham died before this coulld happen . In the meantime Hoyte scuttled the plans after his return from a trip to the USA.

 

Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Gilbakka posted:

This painting is a distortion of Forbes Burnham's real face. At this rate, 32 years from now the artist's memory would have dimmed further and he might draw Burnham to look like Cuffy.

Now, to the meat of the matter. When Burnham was Head of Government I was a PPP member. In 1977 Party Leader Cheddi Jagan wanted a National Patriotic Front Government with Burnham's PNC. His overture was rebuffed. In 1985 Jagan and Burnham were holding talks for a National Unity Government of the PPP+PNC. Burnham died midway and his successor Desmond Hoyte killed the project.

Obviously, Jagan saw some virtues in Burnham and vice versa. Gilbakka sees some virtues in both Burnham and Jagan. True, both had flaws but they were products of their era.

According to one newspaper report, President Granger said yesterday that the State will henceforward finance the commemoration of death anniversaries of ALL Guyana's presidents. That is a good thing.  

Sounds like the Israelis and the PLO. 

"  Obviously, Jagan saw some virtues in Burnham and vice versa. Gilbakka sees some virtues in both Burnham and Jagan. True, both had flaws but they were products of their era. "

Fidel Castro saw  many virtues in both men also. 

comrade posted:
 

Fidel Castro saw  many virtues in both men also. 

It was pure Cold War politics. Janet Jagan was a Marxist Leninist so Castro became interested.  The USA, fearing that Guyana might become another Cuba got the UK to rein him in and concocted a CIA plan to remove him. Castro and Moscow concocted their own plan to keep Jagan there.

Roll forward to the 70s. Moscow determined that all left wing parties should be supported, not just the Marxist ones so embraced people like Burnham, Manley and Bishop, and even lent a friendly ear to Eric Williams.

Jagan was told to cooperate and like the little commie lap dog that he was followed their orders to befriend Burnham even though he knew that he was a monster.  Fidel was in almost as bad shape as by then he had done so much damage to Cuba that it couldn't survive without the USSR, so had to do as it was told.

Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: 
Get well soon,heard bone spurs are painful.

Ditto. Spurs on one foot are bad enough. Spurs on two feet will make Skelly walk like a fowl cock. Can't let that happen. Take care, Skelly.

Take care Skelly. Hope you feel better soon.

Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: 
Get well soon,heard bone spurs are painful.

Ditto. Spurs on one foot are bad enough. Spurs on two feet will make Skelly walk like a fowl cock. Can't let that happen. Take care, Skelly.

Take care Skelly. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks. I do have spurs on both feet. I chose to have one foot done at a time. Glad I did.

skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: 
Get well soon,heard bone spurs are painful.

Ditto. Spurs on one foot are bad enough. Spurs on two feet will make Skelly walk like a fowl cock. Can't let that happen. Take care, Skelly.

Take care Skelly. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks. I do have spurs on both feet. I chose to have one foot done at a time. Glad I did.

Pray you doan get a spur pon the main bone banna.

cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: 
Get well soon,heard bone spurs are painful.

Ditto. Spurs on one foot are bad enough. Spurs on two feet will make Skelly walk like a fowl cock. Can't let that happen. Take care, Skelly.

Take care Skelly. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks. I do have spurs on both feet. I chose to have one foot done at a time. Glad I did.

Pray you doan get a spur pon the main bone banna.

Bai, you rass mad. You lolo is not a bone; it's a muscle. Which bone do you consider as the main bone?

skeldon_man posted:
cain posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Mitwah posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted: 
Get well soon,heard bone spurs are painful.

Ditto. Spurs on one foot are bad enough. Spurs on two feet will make Skelly walk like a fowl cock. Can't let that happen. Take care, Skelly.

Take care Skelly. Hope you feel better soon.

Thanks. I do have spurs on both feet. I chose to have one foot done at a time. Glad I did.

Pray you doan get a spur pon the main bone banna.

Bai, you rass mad. You lolo is not a bone; it's a muscle. Which bone do you consider as the main bone?

So what is a boner? I am sure Bibi can answer this one.  

antabanta posted:

Because of the inherent tyranny of a dictatorship, Burnham did more harm than good. Not to mention his dependence on divisive politics and murder to retain his hold on power.

At least you have a conscience, unlike the slop can crew who are trying to resurrect Burnham as the second coming of Christ. 

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Because of the inherent tyranny of a dictatorship, Burnham did more harm than good. Not to mention his dependence on divisive politics and murder to retain his hold on power.

At least you have a conscience, unlike the slop can crew who are trying to resurrect Burnham as the second coming of Christ. 

Thank you for the commendation. Unfortunately, I cannot reciprocate as your blind adulation for the biggest Rat in Guyana matches the reverence of some for Burnham.

caribny posted:
comrade posted:
 

Fidel Castro saw  many virtues in both men also. 

It was pure Cold War politics. Janet Jagan was a Marxist Leninist so Castro became interested.  The USA, fearing that Guyana might become another Cuba got the UK to rein him in and concocted a CIA plan to remove him. Castro and Moscow concocted their own plan to keep Jagan there.

Roll forward to the 70s. Moscow determined that all left wing parties should be supported, not just the Marxist ones so embraced people like Burnham, Manley and Bishop, and even lent a friendly ear to Eric Williams.

Jagan was told to cooperate and like the little commie lap dog that he was followed their orders to befriend Burnham even though he knew that he was a monster.  Fidel was in almost as bad shape as by then he had done so much damage to Cuba that it couldn't survive without the USSR, so had to do as it was told.

Carib,

What you don't say is that LFS Burnham was also a passionate Leftist like Cheddie who worked hand in hand with Castro and his bosses in Moscow in supporting Marxist forces fighting in Mozambique, Rhodesia, Namibia, and South Africa. Forbes insisted on numerous occasions that his party was socialist from inception and is the true vanguard of the working people of Guyana. His real Marxist vision for Guyana was revealed in his speeches at the Sophia declaration. In those speeches he attacked the PPP for being a bourgouis party which never had the interest of the working class at heart. Nationalization of foreign industries in Guyana was prerequisite for building that society they envisioned as "each according to the ability to each according to his work".  Cheddie was vehement at the defection of many of his top idealogues to the PNC . He declared Burnham's socialism to be hoax and charged the Burnham was a skillful demagogue who was a genius at coaxing politicians over to his side.  Don't forget that the man who presided over the transformation of Guyana's economy to a planned economy was his finance minister, Desmond Hoyte, who later succeeded him in becoming president.

skeldon_man posted:
Chief posted:
Gilbakka posted:
Chief posted:

There are old PPP insiders who are on GNI than  can attest that yes, there were military training within the PYO.

If they are brave enough, they will come forward and speak the truth. 

PYO never gave Gilbakka military training. I taught myself the theory of guerrilla warfare. I studied Che Guevara's "Guerrilla Warfare", Regis Debray's "Revolution in the Revolution?", William J Pomeroy's "Guerrilla Warfare and Marxism", Vo Nguyen Giap's "Military Art of People's War" etc. I mastered the theory and was waiting for General Jagan's call to battle. It never came. De man soft.

Didn't  Accarbre College supplied you with the all of the above material  and information? 

Did you just woke up one day and say you want to be a warfare guerrilla, or was the political party that you were affiliated cause you to think that yes you can overthrow the Government?

 

Chief, I suggest you analyze your grammar here and tell the truth. You did not get a distinction in English GCE.

My distinction really hurting up your head.

I suggest you write London and ask them for GCE results for Line Path Govt Secondary for June 1974.

antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Because of the inherent tyranny of a dictatorship, Burnham did more harm than good. Not to mention his dependence on divisive politics and murder to retain his hold on power.

At least you have a conscience, unlike the slop can crew who are trying to resurrect Burnham as the second coming of Christ. 

Thank you for the commendation. Unfortunately, I cannot reciprocate as your blind adulation for the biggest Rat in Guyana matches the reverence of some for Burnham.

Au contraire,  I didn't support Jagdeo in all aspects of his presidency, but I respected his handling of the PNC insurgency as they attempted to make the country ungovernable post the mash day jail break via mo fiah slow fiah and freedom fighters fiasco. He broke the back of bullyism by the PNC.  Today there is now a tried and true formula for handling PNC criminals/politicians should they get out of hand. 

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Because of the inherent tyranny of a dictatorship, Burnham did more harm than good. Not to mention his dependence on divisive politics and murder to retain his hold on power.

At least you have a conscience, unlike the slop can crew who are trying to resurrect Burnham as the second coming of Christ. 

Did Burnham ever die, boss? Judging from how the PPP resurrected Burnham's name every election cycle, I thought Burnham was still kicking and licking.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Because of the inherent tyranny of a dictatorship, Burnham did more harm than good. Not to mention his dependence on divisive politics and murder to retain his hold on power.

At least you have a conscience, unlike the slop can crew who are trying to resurrect Burnham as the second coming of Christ. 

Thank you for the commendation. Unfortunately, I cannot reciprocate as your blind adulation for the biggest Rat in Guyana matches the reverence of some for Burnham.

Au contraire,  I didn't support Jagdeo in all aspects of his presidency, but I respected his handling of the PNC insurgency as they attempted to make the country ungovernable post the mash day jail break via mo fiah slow fiah and freedom fighters fiasco. He broke the back of bullyism by the PNC.  Today there is now a tried and true formula for handling PNC criminals/politicians should they get out of hand. 

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

Gilbakka posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Because of the inherent tyranny of a dictatorship, Burnham did more harm than good. Not to mention his dependence on divisive politics and murder to retain his hold on power.

At least you have a conscience, unlike the slop can crew who are trying to resurrect Burnham as the second coming of Christ. 

Did Burnham ever die, boss? Judging from how the PPP resurrected Burnham's name every election cycle, I thought Burnham was still kicking and licking.

I am no PPP man and never have been, unlike you and your boss lilmohan.  How is the slop can duties these days? Did the boys provide you with new spade and shovel?

antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Drugb posted:
I am no PPP man and never have been, unlike you and your boss lilmohan.  How is the slop can duties these days? Did the boys provide you with new spade and shovel?

Glad you asked, boss. Slop duties terrible. How can a man work without new spade and shovel? My boss lilmohan giving me the cold shoulder since I resumed. 

Gilbakka posted:
Drugb posted:
I am no PPP man and never have been, unlike you and your boss lilmohan.  How is the slop can duties these days? Did the boys provide you with new spade and shovel?

Glad you asked, boss. Slop duties terrible. How can a man work without new spade and shovel? My boss lilmohan giving me the cold shoulder since I resumed. 

Druggie jealous tarasss, just give him the slopcan and a straw, he'll be a happy man.

antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django, both parties have their faults. There was/is corruption in the PNC and PPP. We have a choice of two evils. I always choose the lesser of the two evils...the PPP. I am defending the PPP because they chose to address the welfare of the people first. They did not empty the treasury, hide $5 mil(USD) in someone's goady, give themselves 50% raises, blatantly practise racism, they hire only black PNC card carrying members, all the coolies in the ministries are being put in a back room working on "corporate development"(a term commonly used to set someone aside waiting to be fired).

Gilbakka posted:
cain posted: Druggie jealous tarasss, just give him the slopcan and a straw, he'll be a happy man.
 

Cain ... umm ... I think you made a mistake. That should be "piss pot and a straw". 

He mixes them into his turdelicious sloppy.  He shares with no one. 

skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django, both parties have their faults. There was/is corruption in the PNC and PPP. We have a choice of two evils. I always choose the lesser of the two evils...the PPP. I am defending the PPP because they chose to address the welfare of the people first. They did not empty the treasury, hide $5 mil(USD) in someone's goady, give themselves 50% raises, blatantly practise racism, they hire only black PNC card carrying members, all the coolies in the ministries are being put in a back room working on "corporate development"(a term commonly used to set someone aside waiting to be fired).

Ok boss to each his own....but.... that was the Jaganite PPP,the "Rat" PPP looks after themselves first and the people after.

 
antabanta posted:

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

 

Who is this rat you are talking about?  In case you have been living under a rock, the operative word is phantomizing. 

Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django- you are completely overestimating yourself if you believe you are on the same intellectual level as DrugB.  

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django- you are completely overestimating yourself if you believe you are on the same intellectual level as DrugB.  

LOL! One hard face rat run out from under de bed. 

Mitwah posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django- you are completely overestimating yourself if you believe you are on the same intellectual level as DrugB.  

LOL! One hard face rat run out from under de bed. 

So then you should exterminate your dirty house for rodents.  This is a very common thing for those who live in Coolieville.

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Mitwah posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django- you are completely overestimating yourself if you believe you are on the same intellectual level as DrugB.  

LOL! One hard face rat run out from under de bed. 

So then you should exterminate your dirty house for rodents.  This is a very common thing for those who live in Coolieville.

I see you survived and can now squeak about it. How is that bloody face lift that Trumpsta tweeted about?

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Your words on this forum prove otherwise. What about his handling of the situation do you respect?

6 feet under is the operative word. The PNC lost their teeth under his rule. Even their street protests became docile. When Ramoutar came to power he reversed the trend and let you wicked PNC people back into the fray of things. 

What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

The "Rat" backers gone under their bed.

Drugb,no show to the question,yet he is all over a few threads defending the "Rat"

Django- you are completely overestimating yourself if you believe you are on the same intellectual level as DrugB.  

Well..any one who defends the "Rat" are high intellectuals in your book,both of you taking a beating on GNI,you usually run and hide when confronted and Drugb goes around in circle thinking he can confuffle posters.

skeldon_man posted:
, give themselves 50% raises, blatantly practise racism, 

The PPP was a blatantly racist party. We are still waiting for Jagdeo to furnish proof that he wasn't an institutional racist. He sent Luncheon, a black token, to defend him. All Luncheon could do was to admit that the exclusion of blacks was real and that he could offer no reason for that.

The PPP was blatantly corrupt so they didn't have to give themselves pay increases.  The drastic display of wealth is all that we need to know as it certainly wasn't funded by their salaries.

Drugb posted:
 
antabanta posted:

Anyone? What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

 

Who is this rat you are talking about?  In case you have been living under a rock, the operative word is phantomizing. 

You credit Bharat for "handling the PNC insurgency." What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

antabanta posted:

You credit Bharat for "handling the PNC insurgency." What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Mr Baldeo, don't know of any rat but I do know that the FF's aka Mash Day escapees aka PNC operatives are all 6 feet under. In my books this is mission accomplished. Today we see PNC freeing prisoners in the guise of prison break. 

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

You credit Bharat for "handling the PNC insurgency." What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Mr Baldeo, don't know of any rat but I do know that the FF's aka Mash Day escapees aka PNC operatives are all 6 feet under. In my books this is mission accomplished. Today we see PNC freeing prisoners in the guise of prison break. 

And the GNI certified Jackass brays. You are so full of shyte.

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

You credit Bharat for "handling the PNC insurgency." What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Mr Baldeo, don't know of any rat but I do know that the FF's aka Mash Day escapees aka PNC operatives are all 6 feet under. In my books this is mission accomplished. Today we see PNC freeing prisoners in the guise of prison break. 

Whose mission accomplished? Brammo was kidnapped and held for ransom. After the ransom was paid the kidnappers were still going to kill him. He escaped and within four hours of his escape, half of the gang were dead. The others, except for Fineman, were attended to shortly after (NOT by any of Guyana's security forces.) What role did the Rat play in these events?

antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

You credit Bharat for "handling the PNC insurgency." What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Mr Baldeo, don't know of any rat but I do know that the FF's aka Mash Day escapees aka PNC operatives are all 6 feet under. In my books this is mission accomplished. Today we see PNC freeing prisoners in the guise of prison break. 

Whose mission accomplished? Brammo was kidnapped and held for ransom. After the ransom was paid the kidnappers were still going to kill him. He escaped and within four hours of his escape, half of the gang were dead. The others, except for Fineman, were attended to shortly after (NOT by any of Guyana's security forces.) What role did the Rat play in these events?

Maybe whoever this rat is, presided over the elimination of the FF, with invisible hands guiding the process, inspiring the outcome.  A president will always keep a distance between himself and covert activity. 

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

You credit Bharat for "handling the PNC insurgency." What did the Rat do to rid the country of those criminals that escaped prison and were terrorizing the country?

Mr Baldeo, don't know of any rat but I do know that the FF's aka Mash Day escapees aka PNC operatives are all 6 feet under. In my books this is mission accomplished. Today we see PNC freeing prisoners in the guise of prison break. 

Whose mission accomplished? Brammo was kidnapped and held for ransom. After the ransom was paid the kidnappers were still going to kill him. He escaped and within four hours of his escape, half of the gang were dead. The others, except for Fineman, were attended to shortly after (NOT by any of Guyana's security forces.) What role did the Rat play in these events?

Maybe whoever this rat is, presided over the elimination of the FF, with invisible hands guiding the process, inspiring the outcome.  A president will always keep a distance between himself and covert activity. 

So once again ... a confession that you have no idea what you're talking. Your support for the Rat is based solely on adulation and racist bigotry.

Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django- you are completely overestimating yourself if you believe you are on the same intellectual level as DrugB.  

Well..any one who defends the "Rat" are high intellectuals in your book,both of you taking a beating on GNI,you usually run and hide when confronted and Drugb goes around in circle thinking he can confuffle posters.

Django, why are you offended when the naked truth stares you in the face? Drugb has more academic qualifications than you. Face facts.

However, it's also an inconvenient fact that Drugb under-utilizes his grey matter big time. So, a big portion of his grey matter has turned into waste matter that is now brown matter. This is right up your alley, man.

So, Django, roll up your shirtsleeves, pick up your slopcan and spade, and scoop and pitch Drugb's brown brain matter into the Demerara river astuary. Where the mudcurass and other bottom feeders are waiting in anticipation of a free feast. 

Prashad posted:

Gilbakka I have a question for you. Is it true that Burnham had told the crowd at Bourda Cricket Ground during a test match that he preferred the British to rule Guyana instead of Jagan and the PPP.

Me nah know, bai. But if Burnham in fact said that, it would have been in the early 1960s when he was Opposition Leader and Jagan was Premier. Or before, after the 1955 party split.

Gilbakka posted:

Django, why are you offended when the naked truth stares you in the face? Drugb has more academic qualifications than you. Face facts.

So, Django, roll up your shirtsleeves, pick up your slopcan and spade, and scoop. 

It is not polite to make fun of a man because of his lack of education. True enough he has secured gainful employment as a slop can carrier under you tutelage. However this does not mean he is any lesser a human being. 

Drugb posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Django, why are you offended when the naked truth stares you in the face? Drugb has more academic qualifications than you. Face facts.

So, Django, roll up your shirtsleeves, pick up your slopcan and spade, and scoop. 

It is not polite to make fun of a man because of his lack of education. True enough he has secured gainful employment as a slop can carrier under you tutelage. However this does not mean he is any lesser a human being. 

I'm so happy to see this coming from you. However, my comment in no way attributed a "lack of education" to Django. My term "more academic qualifications" simply means that Django has academic qualifications too but you have more than he.

Gilbakka posted:
My term "more academic qualifications" simply means that Django has academic qualifications too but you have more than he.

The idiot that you are failed to understand that he was laughing at you, basically saying that your meagre academic qualifications are in fact a waste and your brain is made of the same material that one can find in a sewer.

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