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Among Donald Trump’s Biggest U.S. Fans: Hindu Nationalists

By JEREMY W. PETERSOCT. 14, 2016


A fire ritual in Donald J. Trump’s honor, held by a right-leaning organization called Hindu Sena in New Delhi last May. Credit Rajat Gupta/European Pressphoto Agency

Your typical Trump rally this was not.

First there was the ritual Hindu fire, a yagna, which burned in his honor. Then there were the posters, standard Donald J. Trump head shots except for a touch of artistic interpretation: a tilak, the red dot symbolic of the spiritual third eye in Hindu culture, smudged on his forehead.

This celebration of Mr. Trump in New Delhi in May, and others like it in India this year, are the work of a small, devoted and increasingly visible faction of Hindu nationalists in India and the United States who see Mr. Trump as the embodiment of the cocksure, politically incorrect, strongman brand of politics they admire.

That some of Mr. Trump’s most passionate followers are Indian may seem, at first, somewhat strange, given how fond he is of scorning Asian countries where cheap labor saps demand for American workers. A poll on Asian-Americans’ political leanings conducted in August and September found that just 7 percent of Indian-Americans said they would vote for Mr. Trump.

But in one of the more peculiar pairings of this most peculiar political season, Mr. Trump has unwittingly fashioned a niche constituency in the overlap between the Indian right and the American right, which share a lot of the same anxieties about terrorism, immigration and the loss of prestige that they believe their leaders have been too slow to reverse.

“There’s a lot of parallels there,” said Shalabh Kumar, the founding chairman of the Republican Hindu Coalition. “Mr. Trump is all about development, development, development; prosperity, prosperity, prosperity; tremendous job growth. And at the same time, he recognizes the need to control the borders.”

As one of Mr. Trump’s biggest Hindu financial backers, Mr. Kumar, who runs an electronics manufacturing company in Illinois and grew up in the state of Punjab along the Pakistani border, has helped organize a speech by the Republican nominee in Edison, N.J., at a Bollywood-themed charity concert on Saturday. The proceeds will benefit terrorism victims.

“It will be an incredible evening,” Mr. Trump said in a video promoting it, one of the few ethnic events he has agreed to do during this campaign.

Mr. Trump may be largely indifferent to the reasons behind his Hindu loyalists’ fervor, but his most senior advisers are not. The campaign’s chief executive, Stephen K. Bannon, is a student of nationalist movements. Mr. Bannon is close to Nigel Farage, a central figure in Britain’s movement to leave the European Union, and he is an admirer of India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, a Hindu nationalist Mr. Bannon has called “the Reagan of India.”

Shalabh Kumar, the founding chairman of the Republican Hindu Coalition and a Trump supporter. Credit Joshua Bright for The New York Times

It may be pure coincidence that some of Mr. Trump’s words channel the nationalistic and, some argue, anti-Muslim sentiments that Mr. Modi stoked as he rose to power. But it is certainly not coincidental that many of Mr. Trump’s biggest Hindu supporters are also some of Mr. Modi’s most ardent backers.

At times, the similarity of Mr. Trump’s and Mr. Modi’s political vocabulary is striking. Mr. Modi fed the perception that India’s feckless leaders had failed to allow the country to reach its full potential. And he campaigned as the only one capable of fixing that.

“I will make such a wonderful India that all Americans will stand in line to get a visa for India,” he said once. A centerpiece of his agenda is the “Make in India” program, which is aimed at stimulating economic growth by encouraging more manufacturing in the country.

“It’s all about India first, or ‘Make India Great,’ ” said Sujeeth Draksharam, a civil engineer from Houston who supports Mr. Trump and planned to attend Saturday’s event. “Look at Donald Trump. It’s the same thing. ‘Make America Great Again’ — strong again.”

Another similarly powerful sentiment that both leaders have harnessed is grievance. Mr. Trump has seized on how the working class feels out of place and left behind in a country that is changing demographically and economically.

Even if Mr. Modi’s appeals were never as crass as Mr. Trump’s, his followers say he always understood that many Hindus felt their concerns were ignored by India’s secular and, in their minds, deeply corrupt government, which Mr. Modi vowed to clean up.

“One of the things that Modi very subtly articulated, but was very clear about, was something which nobody wanted to say,” said Subramanian Swamy, a longtime Indian politician and Hindu nationalist who is often a thorn in the side of the country’s political elite. “And that is that Hindus, despite being 80 percent of the population, feel like they got a raw deal.”

There are important differences: Mr. Modi has maintained good relations with President Obama and is a proponent of free trade. Still, Mr. Swamy said, when nationalist-minded Hindus hear Mr. Trump, “they think that this guy talks the same language.”

And Mr. Trump’s Hindu admirers accept him, controversies and all. How can he be anti-immigrant when two of his three wives have been immigrants, as one recently told India Abroad. Why should he be punished for singling out Muslim terrorism when, as Mr. Draksharam said, “you’ve got to call a spade a spade.”


Prime Minister Narendra Modi of India in September. Many of Mr. Trump’s biggest Hindu supporters are also some of Mr. Modi’s most ardent backers. Credit Pool photo by Etienne Oliveau

Manu Bhagavan, who teaches South Asian history at Hunter College, said the Hindu nationalist movement in India and its devotees in the United States shared a belief that what was once pure and virtuous about Indian life has been tainted.

“They locate this in a grand Hindu past,” he said. “If you go before Muslims entered India, before all these foreigners came in and messed things up, Hindus could do this, Hindus could do that.”

The response, Mr. Bhagavan said — whether in India, the United States, Britain or any of the countries experiencing a convulsion of antiglobalism right now — is “let’s barricade ourselves in.”

“These problems are all stemming from these immigrants, these different people, so let’s get rid of them,” he said, describing the views of many nationalists. “And it’s easy answers to not such easy problems.”

But perhaps the strongest link between Mr. Trump’s speech and the Hindu nationalists who find his politics so comforting is the issue of terrorism and how bluntly Mr. Trump is willing to confront Muslim communities about it. Terrorism committed by Islamic extremists is a scourge that has rattled India as well, from the 2008 attacks in Mumbai that left 172 dead to the ambush killings of 20 Indian soldiers last month at an army base near the border with Pakistan.

Mr. Trump’s brand of tough talk, scholars said, gives some Indians a sense that he would be much harder on the country’s longtime adversary, Pakistan.

“What Donald Trump articulates has given them some food for thought,” said Harsh V. Pant, a professor of international relations at King’s College London. “If there is a Trump presidency, then there might be a stronger Washington policy vis-à-vis Pakistan.”

When Mr. Trump arrives at the Hindu charity gala in New Jersey on Saturday, the estimated 10,000 guests will be taking in a performance with Bollywood stars, a Hindu art temple and exhibitions honoring the contribution of Hindus to math and science.

Mr. Kumar, the Republican Hindu Coalition founder, said neither he nor Mr. Trump was naïve about the fact that most Indian-Americans vote for Democrats. But there could be a few, he said, who hear Mr. Trump on Saturday and discover his message is not all that unfamiliar.

What Mr. Trump should probably not expect is the kind of fawning reception he has gotten from his small bands of followers in New Delhi. There was the time in June when a right-wing group known as the Hindu Sena decided to celebrate his 70th birthday. Absent Mr. Trump, who was in North Carolina that day, they improvised and fed a life-size Trump cutout a piece of cake.

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Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Chief
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Stop blowing off hot air, Chief. How many people from all of West indies equals 99% that you're vouching for? 

FM
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Swine, the lowly of animals that has close DNA to humans. Parts of the SWINE is used for the survival of the human race in their ailments. So Trump, the swine will save America.

I would be happy for him to kick some asses to get immigrants to respect American values. One of which is the Democratic process where anyone can be President of the USA.

S
seignet posted:
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Swine, the lowly of animals that has close DNA to humans. Parts of the SWINE is used for the survival of the human race in their ailments. So Trump, the swine will save America.

I would be happy for him to kick some asses to get immigrants to respect American values. One of which is the Democratic process where anyone can be President of the USA.

.......to get immigrants to respect American values.

Seig-heil, you have zero understanding of what American values are or you would accuse Donald Trump of being anti-American.

America is not the Warsaw Pact (old Soviet Union and satellites) or Israel that build walls on their borders. Other than the Japanese internment and treatment of Germans during World War II, American official policy is not to single out ethnic groups for specialized treatment that makes a mockery of all men being born equally. America does not withdraw from the world (tear up NATO and Trade Agreements). RThose are American values.

If you wants immigrants to grab some pu$$ies then you're on a whole different plane altogether.

Kari
Kari posted:
seignet posted:
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Swine, the lowly of animals that has close DNA to humans. Parts of the SWINE is used for the survival of the human race in their ailments. So Trump, the swine will save America.

I would be happy for him to kick some asses to get immigrants to respect American values. One of which is the Democratic process where anyone can be President of the USA.

.......to get immigrants to respect American values.

Seig-heil, you have zero understanding of what American values are or you would accuse Donald Trump of being anti-American.

America is not the Warsaw Pact (old Soviet Union and satellites) or Israel that build walls on their borders. Other than the Japanese internment and treatment of Germans during World War II, American official policy is not to single out ethnic groups for specialized treatment that makes a mockery of all men being born equally. America does not withdraw from the world (tear up NATO and Trade Agreements). RThose are American values.

If you wants immigrants to grab some pu$$ies then you're on a whole different plane altogether.

You forget to mention the role they played in Guyana to installed Burnham dictatorship and again in 2015 to installed Granger dictatorship (that you supported). You only speak when it's convenient alone. 

FM
Prince posted:

You forget to mention the role they played in Guyana to installed Burnham dictatorship and again in 2015 to installed Granger dictatorship (that you supported). You only speak when it's convenient alone. 

I haven't heard your hero Trump assail the CIA or American undercover activities including funding internal conflicts around the globe or even the drone killing of innocents in the Middle East.

Kari
seignet posted:
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Swine, the lowly of animals that has close DNA to humans. Parts of the SWINE is used for the survival of the human race in their ailments. So Trump, the swine will save America.

I would be happy for him to kick some asses to get immigrants to respect American values. One of which is the Democratic process where anyone can be President of the USA.

Trump cannot teach what he does not know.

FM
Kari posted:
seignet posted:
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Swine, the lowly of animals that has close DNA to humans. Parts of the SWINE is used for the survival of the human race in their ailments. So Trump, the swine will save America.

I would be happy for him to kick some asses to get immigrants to respect American values. One of which is the Democratic process where anyone can be President of the USA.

.......to get immigrants to respect American values.

Seig-heil, you have zero understanding of what American values are or you would accuse Donald Trump of being anti-American.

Rule of law, for starters, stop illegals, send them back, apply and come legally like the constitution says!

FM
Chief posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Who is this question for? The Hindus who are now worshiping him or the uneducated white males  across America?

I never realized the USA has 43% uneducated White males!!  Thank god you "educated" whatever migrated to save the great USA!!

FM
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ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

FM
Chief posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Who is this question for? The Hindus who are now worshiping him or the uneducated white males  across America?

I don't wish to turn the Trump train derailment into a religious war.

FM
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

S
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

Didn't Trump try to clap a kiss pun he VP, Pence. Maybe he was thinking spence.

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Didn't Trump try to grab his own daughter, Ivanka's ass?

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So what does Obama has to answer for again?

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FM
ksazma posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Ksazma do you really believe that she didn't know what she was doing

 

Pointblank
ksazma posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

FM
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

Where in the world you get the idea she broke laws! The highest judicial branch of law enforcement looked over tens of thousands of mail and did not agree with you.

I saw the recent e-mail. It is nothing but the way campaigns are built. She told no lies, held not corrupt views ( even if the alt right thinks otherwise ) and nothing she said or her people said ( since these mails are not hers).

 

She will be a deliberative, no nonsense president. She will defend america where she must and still have an open hand reaching out to the dispossessed of the earth. It is what America does. It is in its founding principles.

FM
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

FM
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

Well, what does two gay men do and two lesbisch when the night falls?  No need to peep anywhere!

FM
Stormborn posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

Where in the world you get the idea she broke laws! The highest judicial branch of law enforcement looked over tens of thousands of mail and did not agree with you.

I saw the recent e-mail. It is nothing but the way campaigns are built. She told no lies, held not corrupt views ( even if the alt right thinks otherwise ) and nothing she said or her people said ( since these mails are not hers).

 

She will be a deliberative, no nonsense president. She will defend america where she must and still have an open hand reaching out to the dispossessed of the earth. It is what America does. It is in its founding principles.

She will be feckless like Obama.  She is too compromised.  The Russians have lots of sh1t on her!

If she acts as arrogant as Obama, she will end up like him, boxed in!!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

Well, what does two gay men do and two lesbisch when the night falls?  No need to peep anywhere!

the point is it is not your business. They do not ask what you do wit your wife

FM
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

Where in the world you get the idea she broke laws! The highest judicial branch of law enforcement looked over tens of thousands of mail and did not agree with you.

I saw the recent e-mail. It is nothing but the way campaigns are built. She told no lies, held not corrupt views ( even if the alt right thinks otherwise ) and nothing she said or her people said ( since these mails are not hers).

 

She will be a deliberative, no nonsense president. She will defend america where she must and still have an open hand reaching out to the dispossessed of the earth. It is what America does. It is in its founding principles.

She will be feckless like Obama.  She is too compromised.  The Russians have lots of sh1t on her!

If she acts as arrogant as Obama, she will end up like him, boxed in!!

The russians got nothing. Her political and private live seem to coincide. She will be the president with the enormous arsenal of the US intelligence agencies  to deploy against them so she is not afraid of them.

 

Obama is as arrogant as you define him not as he actually is. He was not boxed in but seem reluctant to use US ground troops. To his credit ISIS as all but lost all territory in Iraq and Syria. They are going to be stateless when Mosul and Raqua falls and that will be very soon. He seem to have done the impossible, weld a good deal of cooperation between its various factions for the first time. They are presently working together to take out ISIS in Mosul. Hillary will set up a safe zone.

Obama already detailed out some 5 thousand square miles where there will be a safe zone. Mrs C will bring it to fruition. R0ussia will lose its importance as that region reconstitutes itself.

FM
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Stormborn posted:
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

Where in the world you get the idea she broke laws! The highest judicial branch of law enforcement looked over tens of thousands of mail and did not agree with you.

I saw the recent e-mail. It is nothing but the way campaigns are built. She told no lies, held not corrupt views ( even if the alt right thinks otherwise ) and nothing she said or her people said ( since these mails are not hers).

 

She will be a deliberative, no nonsense president. She will defend america where she must and still have an open hand reaching out to the dispossessed of the earth. It is what America does. It is in its founding principles.

She will be feckless like Obama.  She is too compromised.  The Russians have lots of sh1t on her!

If she acts as arrogant as Obama, she will end up like him, boxed in!!

The russians got nothing. Her political and private live seem to coincide. She will be the president with the enormous arsenal of the US intelligence agencies  to deploy against them so she is not afraid of them.

 

Obama is as arrogant as you define him not as he actually is. He was not boxed in but seem reluctant to use US ground troops. To his credit ISIS as all but lost all territory in Iraq and Syria. They are going to be stateless when Mosul and Raqua falls and that will be very soon. He seem to have done the impossible, weld a good deal of cooperation between its various factions for the first time. They are presently working together to take out ISIS in Mosul. Hillary will set up a safe zone.

Obama already detailed out some 5 thousand square miles where there will be a safe zone. Mrs C will bring it to fruition. R0ussia will lose its importance as that region reconstitutes itself.

Obama has been boxed in by a GOP controlled House and Senate since 2010.  He paid a price for his "I won" attitude to the GOP and they kept him in check since 2010.

On ISIS, Syria, Iraq, if the Russians did not make their move in Syria and offered Iraq a similar hand of assistance, feckless Obama and hapless Hillary would be sitting and waiting to see where the chips fall.

We will not win in Syria, we cannot.  Syria is a client state and strategic ally of Russia.  The Russians are dug in, they are not going anywhere and will throw back at us.  This is why Trump said he will cede Syria for Russia to handle ISIS and focus on eradicating them out of Iraq which we (US) will then control.

FM
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the russians have done noting about ISIS they are attacking the opponents of Assad.

Also Obama did very well fighting through a house and senate against him and he did not take the knee for either and that is to his credit not detriment. His cause was righteous. Theirs was like he trumpeteer.

Syria is untenable under Assad. He has to go.

FM
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

The man passed a law.

S
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

Well, what does two gay men do and two lesbisch when the night falls?  No need to peep anywhere!

The man is an atheist-anything wrong has his justification. It appears as some other religious grouping thinks like him. 

S
Kari posted:
seignet posted:
Chief posted:

Definitely Pointy!

99% of West Indians  living in NY are against Trump.

When I read the article this morning I had to conclude why a section of  Guyanese Indians are so loyal in their support for that swine.

Swine, the lowly of animals that has close DNA to humans. Parts of the SWINE is used for the survival of the human race in their ailments. So Trump, the swine will save America.

I would be happy for him to kick some asses to get immigrants to respect American values. One of which is the Democratic process where anyone can be President of the USA.

.......to get immigrants to respect American values.

Seig-heil, you have zero understanding of what American values are or you would accuse Donald Trump of being anti-American.

America is not the Warsaw Pact (old Soviet Union and satellites) or Israel that build walls on their borders. Other than the Japanese internment and treatment of Germans during World War II, American official policy is not to single out ethnic groups for specialized treatment that makes a mockery of all men being born equally. America does not withdraw from the world (tear up NATO and Trade Agreements). RThose are American values.

If you wants immigrants to grab some pu$$ies then you're on a whole different plane altogether.

U forgot the Wet-backs and the Native People.

Anyway, you rather pump money into dying causes and deplete American resources.

Is that all u can get from Trump that he grap pu$$ies. Who doesn't.

That Jewish radio guy interview a number of celebrities and that is all he ask them about their sexual encounters. And on radio.

Sex in the City, Two and Half Men, Mom, etc are all jewish authored shows. It appears these men have a fixation on sex.

Suh, how come yuh doan try to censor them.

S
Stormborn posted:

the russians have done noting about ISIS they are attacking the opponents of Assad.

Also Obama did very well fighting through a house and senate against him and he did not take the knee for either and that is to his credit not detriment. His cause was righteous. Theirs was like he trumpeteer.

Syria is untenable under Assad. He has to go.

Assad will go, but not on US terms.  The Russians picking and timing their fights.  Let the US hit ISIS, they are hitting all the other Assad enemies some of whom are supported by the US.  The US is so pissed that they bomb and killed 60 Syrian troops.  What the Russian did, brought in their most modern SAMs capable of hitting US fighters.

When they wipe them out, they will take on ISIS.  Obama is upset at the Russians for not fighting the US war.  The Russians will crush the US allies, then push ISIS back into Iraq for the US to handle.  They (Russia and Assad) don't want to expend enormous resources crushing ISIS in Syria and leaving the anti-Assad pro-US forces intact.

The Russians have a clear strategic agenda.  We, the US have a muddled agenda and trying to thread many needles at the same time.

The US (and Israel and [terror] House of Saud) want Assad and their pro-Iranian allies gone.  The US is prepared to throttle the war where Assad falls and let ISIS [temp] take over Syria.  The [terrorist] House of Saud promised to rein in ISIS but preserve their [medieval] Wahab components.  If that don't work, the US/Israel will go in and crush ISIS [and Hezbollah] and move Israeli forces up to the Iranian border.  The aim is to surround and contain Iran.

One big problem, the Russians have a major naval base in Syria, a client state.  The Russians are in an uncoil, they grabbed Georgian and Ukr territory and will not forgo Syria.  The sh1t is flying all over while poor old Hillary is fainting all over!!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

Where in the world you get the idea she broke laws! The highest judicial branch of law enforcement looked over tens of thousands of mail and did not agree with you.

I saw the recent e-mail. It is nothing but the way campaigns are built. She told no lies, held not corrupt views ( even if the alt right thinks otherwise ) and nothing she said or her people said ( since these mails are not hers).

 

She will be a deliberative, no nonsense president. She will defend america where she must and still have an open hand reaching out to the dispossessed of the earth. It is what America does. It is in its founding principles.

She will be feckless like Obama.  She is too compromised.  The Russians have lots of sh1t on her!

If she acts as arrogant as Obama, she will end up like him, boxed in!!

The russians got nothing. Her political and private live seem to coincide. She will be the president with the enormous arsenal of the US intelligence agencies  to deploy against them so she is not afraid of them.

 

Obama is as arrogant as you define him not as he actually is. He was not boxed in but seem reluctant to use US ground troops. To his credit ISIS as all but lost all territory in Iraq and Syria. They are going to be stateless when Mosul and Raqua falls and that will be very soon. He seem to have done the impossible, weld a good deal of cooperation between its various factions for the first time. They are presently working together to take out ISIS in Mosul. Hillary will set up a safe zone.

Obama already detailed out some 5 thousand square miles where there will be a safe zone. Mrs C will bring it to fruition. R0ussia will lose its importance as that region reconstitutes itself.

Obama has been boxed in by a GOP controlled House and Senate since 2010.  He paid a price for his "I won" attitude to the GOP and they kept him in check since 2010.

On ISIS, Syria, Iraq, if the Russians did not make their move in Syria and offered Iraq a similar hand of assistance, feckless Obama and hapless Hillary would be sitting and waiting to see where the chips fall.

We will not win in Syria, we cannot.  Syria is a client state and strategic ally of Russia.  The Russians are dug in, they are not going anywhere and will throw Iback at us.  This is why Trump said he will cede Syria for Russia to handle ISIS and focus on eradicating them out of Iraq which we (US) will then control.

ISIS has been around since in the 6th century. Different names. These are warlike people from since creation. And wherever they live a portion of them will kill. 

Eliminate ISIS and another set of alphabet will take it's place. Too much in-equality in the Mid_East. It festers with dissention.

S

I have a problem with these these upper caste Hindus who talk big but would do anything to discriminate against lower caste Hindus. Their women would do anything to run away bollywood style with a white fellow or a mulatto fellow. I admire the Pakistani people in keeping their culture. I am supporting Trump because of economics and I am against Clinton double talk to win votes.

Prashad
seignet posted:
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

The man passed a law.

Presidents do not pass laws. That happens in the house and senate acting independently in the decision making and cooperatively in the crafting of the legislation. The President signs it. Consequently, every law on the books have the assent of the American People. We are a representative democracy.

FM
seignet posted:
ba$eman posted:
Stormborn posted:
seignet posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

The man is lawless, yes I agree. But Obama allowing men to buggah men and women to women to rub up women. That is a transgression for a WHOLE nation. Trump will answer for HIS sins, but my goodness, Obama will have to answer for the WHOLE nation.

You like peeping in other people's bedroom and assigning your own label on what they do! Obama did nothing that your ancestors did not do going on thousands of years. They had no taboo about sex.

Well, what does two gay men do and two lesbisch when the night falls?  No need to peep anywhere!

The man is an atheist-anything wrong has his justification. It appears as some other religious grouping thinks like him. 

Atheism is natural. You are not born with religion. It is foisted on you by some community. Atheism is also rational. You do not have a corner on the market with religion.Every moral precept has to contain some element of agreement on conditions independent of an appeal to the divine to be applicable in  a modern democracy. Religious people do not get to create them on faith. That would lead to chaos especially now that we practice religious pluralism.

FM
ba$eman posted:

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know.  So who is Trump not to overstep.

Did you see the latest batch of leaked emails?  That Hillary is the mother of all conivers.  She is WW3 in the making.

Hillary, a lawyer and 40-year veteran in Government broke some serious laws but did not know. 

 

It would help to state these laws that she broke.

Kari
Pointblank posted:
ksazma posted:
ba$eman posted:
ksazma posted:

How can a lawless man be the President for law and order?

Just like Hillary could be!!

Hillary did not go about seeking at break the law. She did so more out of complacency. Trump lives his life breaking laws and expecting his position in society to shield him.

Not many who ascend to the presidency of the United States were able to do so with a squeaky clean lifestyle as President Obama. His biggest baggage was that his pastor was too outspoken but even his pastor did not break laws.

Ksazma do you really believe that she didn't know what she was doing

 

I don't think that she deliberately broke the law.

FM

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