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Rice-farming woman blazes trail in ‘a man’s world’

March 21, 2010 | By | Filed Under News 

 

Bibi Jamila Munir is a ‘Special Person’

 “I have twenty grandchildren. My family is my life. Guyana is my life. I grew up here and I will die here. I love my work and there is nothing else I would rather do.”

By Leonard Gildarie
She rides bikes, drives tractors, manages her home and then works from morning till night in the backdam planting rice. Her outspoken manner also angers many a politician, regional official and business associate. But that’s just what you get with this week’s special person.


Bibi Jamila Munir of Good Hope, East Bank Essequibo, known to some as simply Mrs. Munir and others as Auntie Jamila, is also the only woman in the nine-member co-op of the Vergenoegen Rice Mill.
In 2007, the Guyana Rice Producers Association (RPA) also paid tribute to the farmer, acknowledging her contribution as a businesswoman to the rice industry by featuring her in the quarterly magazine, “The Farmer”.
This week, Kaieteur News has chosen Munir as our Special Person for her role as a businesswoman, as a mother and a wife.

Female rice farmer, Bibi Jamila Munir

Female rice farmer, Bibi Jamila Munir

So what make her so special?
Well, her no-nonsense attitude might be a good reason. For example, she accuses Guyanese men of not being man enough and challenged them to play a stronger role in business and the home.
“Our Guyanese men always like to put down their wives…that they should be seen and not heard. I fight against this.”
It was difficult to make contact with Mrs. Munir via land phones since she was constantly in the backdam attempting to manage the water situation brought on by the dry conditions associated with the El Niño phenomenon.


Munir grew up in the world knowing about hard work since her family had been in rice farming for the longest while.
“At age six, I started driving tractors. You have to understand that we were six sisters and one brother.”
There were cows to graze and rice to cut. She was forced to leave school at 13, leaving at daybreak and working long hours in the farm.
“My husband and I…we got married when I was 17. Those days, in the Indian tradition, girls got married around that age. My daughters got married at that age too.”
The couple had three children – two girls and a boy- and then adopted two boys.


It was in 1984 that Munir decided to attend her daughter’s wedding in New York. However, her family decided not to allow her to come back to Guyana as the situation had become difficult here.
Her husband and the rest of the children, including the two adopted boys, later migrated to New York.
However, in 1995, Munir and her husband returned to Guyana after being encouraged by the change in government.

Ready for a long day in the backdam.

Ready for a long day in the backdam.

“We bought out the properties of our family and went into rice farming in a big way.”
The Munirs currently control 500 acres of rice land in the East Bank Essequibo area.
According to Bibi Munir, her husband is a quiet man who “does not like to talk, talk much.”
That left his wife, an outspoken and driven person, to take the reins of the business running it with an iron fist.
They currently employ about 25 workers and quite a few have been given land to build homes.
“I am a representative of the RPA and the Water Users Association also. Many people come to me for help all the time. What makes me special? I don’t know. I guess it would be that I like to help people.”
A normal day in Munir’s life would make many a man feel somewhat inferior. But it is all routine for the businesswoman. “I get up at 4 in the morning – seven days a week. I have to wash, pray, clean up, wash clothes and still go to work. I don’t have a maid and although I have a washing machine, I wash by hand.”
Munir also finds time to mind her ducks and chickens and tend to her little garden in the front of her yard
She is in charge of issuing instructions to her employers and handles all the financial and logistical dealings for her rice farm.


“I negotiate sale of the rice and I go down to the rice mill every day.”
It is not an easy thing in rice industry. And Mrs. Munir admits this. “There is the rice price to contend with. The weather. Then it’s the workers.”
Then there are the long hours and the uncertainty. This crop was an extremely challenging one for the Good Hope area. Water for irrigation is scarce but the businesswoman has been almost living in the rice fields.
“I am happy to say that in this area, nobody lost any crop since we really pushed in a lot of hours. The government helped too with the pumping.”
Throughout it all, Munir is modest when speaking of her achievements.
“I don’t like pinpointing my help to others. I do it because that is who I am. The President knows. RPA knows. The Minister of Agriculture knows.”
As if the rice farming is not enough, Munir is heavily involved in her Muslim faith. Her mosque, whenever it is fasting time, would even send her food to the factory to break her fast in the evening. They too know of her work.
“I have twenty grandchildren. My family is my life. Guyana is my life. I grew up here and I will die here. I love my work and there is nothing else I would rather do.”
The businesswoman, in our estimation, personifies the very essence of what hard work and love of that work can achieve.


She has entered into what has been known to be a “man’s territory” and is not afraid to voice her opinions or roll up her sleeves and drive a tractor if the need arises. Her balancing of the business, family and social aspects of her life is something all Guyanese should be proud of.
Mrs. Munir is indeed a special person.

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Bibi Jamila Munir is a ‘Special Person’

 “I have twenty grandchildren. My family is my life. Guyana is my life. I grew up here and I will die here. I love my work and there is nothing else I would rather do.”

Chief

 Crime has always been the reason so many of us stay away from that place, except for that it is a beautiful country. This is very sad and I hope those responsible are caught and the book thrown at them along with the noose.

 

cain

Ole people who through work, sweat and tears, rain or shine should not die this way.  I hope they find these bandits and throw dem rass in a furnace to die a slow death. This is the government who promised people that they will bring crime to an end. Instead they are making crime their biggest industry.

FM

Sad indeed!

Guyana needs to enact death by firing squad for any convicted of such senseless murders.  They need to do what China does, once appeals are over, you are executed within 48 hours!!

FM

Those looking to remigrate should beware, especially the elderly.  That is why we see people like Gilly, D2, Cain, T, Django, Warrior, Redux, CaribJ and Mitwah content to reside in the West but support an uncaring govt in Guyana.

FM
Stormborn posted:

I thought you said you would never go back? I still maintain my family home and farm so I have a squat whenever I want. I never said I am going back there to live. 

So what about the house and farm,  are they being put to good use or just lying there idle.

Sheik101
Sheik101 posted:
Stormborn posted:

I thought you said you would never go back? I still maintain my family home and farm so I have a squat whenever I want. I never said I am going back there to live. 

So what about the house and farm,  are they being put to good use or just lying there idle.

Sheik, you sure you are ready for the 1000 word essay? You really want to flip the man out heh.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

I am never going back to live there. May her soul Rest in Peace.

I would like to go back at some point. too many assets there. But the crime situation is way out of control that I'm seriously thinking if it's worth it.
Guyana is a dangerous place.

Sheik101
skeldon_man posted:
Sheik101 posted:
Stormborn posted:

I thought you said you would never go back? I still maintain my family home and farm so I have a squat whenever I want. I never said I am going back there to live. 

So what about the house and farm,  are they being put to good use or just lying there idle.

Sheik, you sure you are ready for the 1000 word essay? You really want to flip the man out heh.

Bai Skelly, all I asked was a simple question. I hope I get a simple answer; if any.

Sheik101
Sheik101 posted:
Stormborn posted:

I thought you said you would never go back? I still maintain my family home and farm so I have a squat whenever I want. I never said I am going back there to live. 

So what about the house and farm,  are they being put to good use or just lying there idle.

I had a cousin there. When my  mom died ( actually my aunt who raised me), they tried to get prescriptive rights to it . Imagine that....I fed and clothe them for over 20 years and provided a home for them and they tried to pull a con on me. The judge threw the case out...no family or guyanese any more. Have a chinese guy

FM
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Nehru posted:

What a bloody tragedy. The hard working people of Guyana cannot be protected under this CRIMINAL Govt!!!!!

You probably don't know this but the PPP is no longer in govt.

A

Crime is one of the biggest problems this country faces.   It devastates lives of not just the victim's family but the entire community as whole.  The economic impact is severe.  Farmers and businessmen cannot expand their operations out of fear for their lives.  How can we expect people to make significant progress in an environment that is governed by crime? For this society to progress law and order must be in place and criminals must have no where to shelter from the law.  Everyday we can open the daily newspapers and read about horrific crimes but seldom do we read about criminals being sent away behind bars for long periods of time.  This an injustice to the society where criminals ply their trade with the confidence that they might not never get caught or even if caught the system fails to administer justice.  It's a green light criminals and a no go for those who truly desire to work hard and build their farm or business.

 

Billy Ram Balgobin
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antabanta posted:
Nehru posted:

What a bloody tragedy. The hard working people of Guyana cannot be protected under this CRIMINAL Govt!!!!!

You probably don't know this but the PPP is no longer in govt.

Hinglish is your language obviously.

Nehru
Chief posted:

About 20 something people were massacred in Lusignan under the PPP Gov't.

The handiwork of the PNC and under the purveyance of the same Black police force who worked for the PNC reporting to Granger then and now.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Sheik101 posted:
Stormborn posted:

I thought you said you would never go back? I still maintain my family home and farm so I have a squat whenever I want. I never said I am going back there to live. 

So what about the house and farm,  are they being put to good use or just lying there idle.

I had a cousin there. When my  mom died ( actually my aunt who raised me), they tried to get prescriptive rights to it . Imagine that....I fed and clothe them for over 20 years and provided a home for them and they tried to pull a con on me. The judge threw the case out...no family or guyanese any more. Have a chinese guy

What is the point of holding on to the land now if you have a stranger benefiting from it? Sell it off at a discounted rate to an enterprising Black and help them climb the economic ladder.  

FM
Chief posted:

About 20 something people were massacred in Lusignan under the PPP Gov't.

Compliments your PNC!!  That should make you happy.  They were mostly Christians and Hindus!!  Smile now!!

FM

Five in custody over Good Hope farmers’ deaths

Source

21 Apr 2016

Five persons including characters known to the police are in custody as investigators continue to probe the killings of Mohamed and Jamilla Munir, who were burnt to death in their Good Hope, East Bank Essequibo home on Sunday night.

Minister of Agriculture, Noel Holder offering condolences
 

Crime Chief Wendell Blanhum told Stabroek News last evening that investigators are working on several leads with the hope of making a breakthrough in the matter soon. Up to press time, the men were being grilled by the police.

A handyman of the elderly couple was arrested on Tuesday. Sources indicate that he may be one of the suspects currently in custody along with Winston Sherlock called “Quarters,” who was wanted for the abduction of Windsor Forest businessman, Tazim Gafoor.

Sherlock turned himself into the Leonora Police station on Tuesday accompanied by his attorney.

Mohamed, 75, and his wife, Jamilla, 70, who were well known rice farmers, died on Sunday night after bandits broke into their home and later set it alight.

Residents had told Stabroek News that the bandits scaled the veranda and cut the grill before smashing their way into the couple’s home through a glass door. After they were unable to gain entry to the Munirs’ bedroom, where they had secured themselves, the bandits apparently poured gasoline and lit a fire in front of the couple’s bedroom.

Some residents had said Mohamed had phoned them and told them that bandits had invaded his property. There were also reports of the sounds of gunshots during the attack.

The Munirs’ were both laid to rest yesterday according to Muslim rites.

Scores of people turned up at the funeral to bid farewell to the couple who was remembered for being an “embodiment of strength and goodness.”

In a very emotional speech, one of their grandchildren, Afifa Samad said her grandparents were not “an unfortunate statistic, they were part of our very being. We have all lost a part of ourselves and we are all suffering greatly.”

She described her grandfather as the” most hardworking, kindest, most compassionate, most gentle person. My grandmother was the greatest woman in the world, filled with love and incomparable strength. She was a driving force in our lives and her community.”

According to her, “They loved their families and they loved their country. They left us to better this beautiful land and we pray that this country would serve them justice that they deserve.”

She said they “fought for what they wanted their entire lives and they fought until their last breath. They are my example in this world. My grandparents would forever be in our hearts and in everything good that we do.”

Their son, Muntaz Munir,

thanked everyone for being there to pay their respects to his parents. He was also grateful to relatives, friends and neighbours “who offered their assistance in their final moment. We weren’t here but you were and we would like to thank you.

Their daughter, Nazarene thanked the rice and Islamic organisations that her mother was a part of.

Minister of Agriculture, Noel Holder was also there to offer his condolences on behalf of the government.

In his remarks, former president, Bharrat Jagdeo said that the couple’s lives epitomised hard work, dedication and commitment.

He said that as an executive member of the Rice Producers Association, Jamilla knew what struggle was.

According to him, “It’s a pity that in this country today that hard work seems not to be recognised and that people can come in such a callous manner and see the fruits of hard work and try to snatch it away.”

He said it is “not a political event because no government in the world can stop crime…”

He accused the government of not visiting “places where tragedies occur right across this country… but we see negotiations in the prisons with criminals…”

He said over 70 people were released... I have been asking until today to see the records of those people and there is no attempt on the part of the government to make those records public

Meanwhile, at the wake on Tuesday evening, One of Munir’s brothers described them as being “generous, simple and very helpful people. They lived very nice as husband and wife… they made a wonderful pair.”

According to another speaker, Azim, “We need to take a stand and say to the people in authority that we need protection. We need to stand in solidarity against what is happening in our country.”

He said too that crime is being taken to “another level and we will not stand up and take it.”

Former president, Donald Ramotar, in expressing condolences, said that all must be concerned about security.

He lamented that that was the reason why the Community Policing Group is very important.

He said the country has seen a lot of crime in the last few days and mentioned the young Wakenaam businessman who was killed in Georgetown on Tuesday.

President of the Guyana Islamic Trust, Shaykh, Aleem Rahim said the murders were “heartless and inhumane and it has shown the lack of mercy and the level at which we have sunk in our morality.”

He said too: “Islam teaches us mercy even to the animals, much less human beings. The fact that we can burn someone alive, prove that we have to reconnect with the creator and rebuild relationship with the creator.”


Chairman of the Good Hope/Hydronie NDC, Parsaram Persaud said not just the family but the community has lost a great couple at the hands of cruel people and called for justice to be served.

Django
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Noel Holder should be ashamed to face those rice farmers in that community.  Two of them are dead and then he shows up.

Ashamed for what?

Don't politize their death please.

Django de Brother Munir and Sister Jamila 

were decent people.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

 

Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

 were proudly Marry.

 

They were life Partners

Ready for a long day in the backdam. 

Brother Munir Protected his wife...

 

he never claim they were not legally marry

or lock her out of the bedroom.

 

 

 

Now... Noel Holder has nothing to be ashamed of....

He Never Claim Bamboo Wedding is not Legal

 

Noel Holder never practice

none of them Nastiness to accommodate Kwame ....

 

Bibi need to stop using these tragedy on GNI

to Promote and Defend Jagdeo

and Stop attacking the Govt.

 

 

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Part of the crowd that attended the funeral.

 

Part of the crowd that attended the funeral.

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

FM
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Jalil posted:
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Noel Holder should be ashamed to face those rice farmers in that community.  Two of them are dead and then he shows up.

Ashamed for what?

Don't politize their death please.

Django de Brother Munir and Sister Jamila 

were decent people.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

 

Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

 were proudly Marry.

 

They were life Partners

Ready for a long day in the backdam. 

Brother Munir Protected his wife...

 

he never claim they were not legally marry

or lock her out of the bedroom.

 

 

 

Now... Noel Holder has nothing to be ashamed of....

He Never Claim Bamboo Wedding is not Legal

 

Noel Holder never practice

none of them Nastiness to accommodate Kwame ....

 

Bibi need to stop using these tragedy on GNI

to Promote and Defend Jagdeo

and Stop attacking the Govt.

 

 

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Part of the crowd that attended the funeral.

 

Part of the crowd that attended the funeral.

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

Oh Lord.....medication time now!!!!!

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Noel Holder should be ashamed to face those rice farmers in that community.  Two of them are dead and then he shows up.

Since when you determine who should attend a funeral in Guyana....

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Jalil posted:
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Noel Holder should be ashamed to face those rice farmers in that community.  Two of them are dead and then he shows up.

Ashamed for what?

Don't politize their death please.

 

 

Part of the crowd that attended the funeral.

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

Oh Lord.....medication time now!!!!!

Django....

Haniffa got no Shame...

She love, defend and practice Kwameism...

 

Haniffa think.....Noel Holder Must be ashamed

because Jagdeo lie about his marriage to a woman.

 

Noel Holder did not stop Pundit Reep

from Registering the Wedding.

 

Noel Holder did not give Kwame everything

and Neglected his wife.

FM
RiffRaff posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Noel Holder should be ashamed to face those rice farmers in that community.  Two of them are dead and then he shows up.

Since when you determine who should attend a funeral in Guyana....

But some would like to make this decision for others, stupidly even to their own funeral.

Animosity has its consequences.   

Tola

Ok, let me set the record straight once and for all.  I never said who should attend and who should not attend.  What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers.  I would never disrespect the dead, especially these two people who were icons in their community.  I have shown the utmost respect to these two people and I made that very clear several times in this thread.  Those of you who want to twist what I said and take it out of context should read it again.

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Ok, let me set the record straight once and for all.  I never said who should attend and who should not attend. 

But you said Noel Holder who attended should be ashamed..... tell us why?

What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers. 

You did not say...you hope the death of these good people teach Jagdeo a lesson on how to live a decent and honest life.

I would never disrespect the dead, especially these two people who were icons in their community. 

But you just forgot to mention  "Bibi Hanifa" is not "Bibi Jamila Munir"

I have shown the utmost respect to these two people and I made that very clear several times in this thread. 

You should have said you will try to stop lieing and being Dishonest.... and "Like all of us just..... have respect for our sister  Bibi Jamila Munir and pray for her.... instead of using this tragedy to praise Jagdeo and attacking Minister Noel Holder and the Govt

Those of you who want to twist what I said and take it out of context should read it again.

No one but you... been twisting anything... you started with the Heading at the very top.

Tell us why you refused to use the Headline for the Kaiteur News article you copy and paste at the top of this thread.

Here is the Headline of the Kaiteur article

Rice-farming woman blazes trail in ‘a man’s world’

March 21, 2010 | By | Filed Under News .

 

Bibi Jamila Munir is a ‘Special  Person'

 

A better and Honest Heading for this topic should be....

 

Guyana mourns loss of popular

Husband & Wife Essequibo Rice Farmer.....

 

But what we have here... is ...... "Bibi"

who claims to be Bar-rat Sweetwoman....

telling us........."Bibi" is a Special Person....

 

with a little Honesty, Decency & Respect "Bibi"

could have used the heading as published in Kaiteur News

'Bibi Jamila Munir is a Special  Person'

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

 

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.

 

FM
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Bibi Haniffa posted:

Ok, let me set the record straight once and for all.  I never said who should attend and who should not attend.  What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers.  I would never disrespect the dead, especially these two people who were icons in their community.  I have shown the utmost respect to these two people and I made that very clear several times in this thread.  Those of you who want to twist what I said and take it out of context should read it again.

"What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers."


Read your statement does it not sound political,you want it to be broken up,sometimes you are like a loose cannon.

Django
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Ok, let me set the record straight once and for all.  I never said who should attend and who should not attend.  What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers.  I would never disrespect the dead, especially these two people who were icons in their community.  I have shown the utmost respect to these two people and I made that very clear several times in this thread.  Those of you who want to twist what I said and take it out of context should read it again.

So, is that a problem to you? seems like he is there for the funeral and not an official visit to the community

 

FM
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Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Ok, let me set the record straight once and for all.  I never said who should attend and who should not attend.  What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers.  I would never disrespect the dead, especially these two people who were icons in their community.  I have shown the utmost respect to these two people and I made that very clear several times in this thread.  Those of you who want to twist what I said and take it out of context should read it again.

"What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers."


Read your statement does it not sound political,you want it to be broken up,sometimes you are like a loose cannon.

Bibi have no shame and lack moral values.

Mitwah
Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Ok, let me set the record straight once and for all.  I never said who should attend and who should not attend.  What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers.  I would never disrespect the dead, especially these two people who were icons in their community.  I have shown the utmost respect to these two people and I made that very clear several times in this thread.  Those of you who want to twist what I said and take it out of context should read it again.

"What I said was it took the death of two good people for Noel Holder to be in that community which consists primarily of rice farmers."


Read your statement does it not sound political,you want it to be broken up,sometimes you are like a loose cannon.

Bibi have no shame and lack moral values.

Mr. Advisor - you better be quiet before I give you and your friends an IQ test!!!!

Bibi Haniffa

Criminal rampage in Guyana

April 22, 2016 | By | Filed Under Letters 

Dear Editor,
The brutal burning to death of a rice farming family (Munir and Jamila) on Sunday night, April 17, 2016 at Good Hope East Bank Essequibo is a grim reminder of the degenerated culture of brutality and people on people violence which has evolved to become epidemic in Guyana.

 

Munir and Jamila though unassuming to many at the upper echelons of Guyanese society, were among the small group of large rice farmers that emerged in the rice industry since 2000.

 

Jamila was a prominent member of the Rice Producers Association, and is well-known in rice farming circles across the country.


The inhumanity and depravity demonstrated by this heinous act by persons so far not named, and unknown will undoubtedly send shock waves across the country, especially in the Indo-Guyanese farming communities.

 

The Working Peoples Alliance Overseas Associates urges the authorities in Guyana, and its policing agencies to act with urgent haste to investigate, get to the bottom of this crime, and bring the perpetrators to justice.


The scale and terror of the criminal rampage in Guyana demand that every community, social political religious, cultural labour organization subscribe to a national effort to curtail crime and that the issue be depoliticised.

 

Further, we call upon the government to engage in the broadest possible consultation in creating a viable policy and expedite reform in the security forces to enhance their professionalism and capacity to make our country safe and secure.


Keith Boyce
WPA Overseas Associates

 

Inna Lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un.

Dead couple: Mohamed and Bibi Jamila Munir

FM
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Chameli posted:
Chief posted:

Cham

When we die we have no control as to who will show up.

true...but those we leave should follow what we request...NO?

I wish ...ah never mind

---------------------------------------

Chief, i did not read that last post until now

Yesterday mom told me that one of the grandsons of this couple (Uncle Munir and Aunty Jamila) died in CT recently.... I taught his mom in sch (my first yr as a pupil tchr)

Didn't know they have family here,do they live the area of Hartford and Suburbs or Waterbury,we are so spread out here you don't see a Guyanese for months.There is one Guyanese grocery store in Hartford where you get some info,I hardly stop by there kind a out from my work and home.

Django
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Chameli posted:
Django posted:
{}Didn't know they have family here,do they live the area of Hartford and Suburbs or Waterbury,we are so spread out here you don't see a Guyanese for months.There is one Guyanese grocery store in Hartford where you get some info,I hardly stop by there kind a out from my work and home.

Django,I don't know much about the area where he lived.  I heard he was a male nurse.   PM Ksaz to see if he heard, maybe he will have some info.

40 or more yrs ago i had  penpal who moved to Hartford.  They were from MMZ, she had a brother who was a mechanic.  I  remember their names...lol  maYBE  his name was Krishna

Pen pal got to up there in age,as i mentioned we spread out here,only time you see Guyanese is at some one funeral,mostly Berbicians here,being here so long know some of the them,so i does blend in.

Django
Django posted:
Chameli posted:
Django posted:
{}Didn't know they have family here,do they live the area of Hartford and Suburbs or Waterbury,we are so spread out here you don't see a Guyanese for months.There is one Guyanese grocery store in Hartford where you get some info,I hardly stop by there kind a out from my work and home.

Django,I don't know much about the area where he lived.  I heard he was a male nurse.   PM Ksaz to see if he heard, maybe he will have some info.

40 or more yrs ago i had  penpal who moved to Hartford.  They were from MMZ, she had a brother who was a mechanic.  I  remember their names...lol  maYBE  his name was Krishna

Pen pal got to up there in age,as i mentioned we spread out here,only time you see Guyanese is at some one funeral,mostly Berbicians here,being here so long know some of the them,so i does blend in.

Django,

Please permit me to comment if I may:

Our Berbicians have one bad habit. At funerals, they are in and around the funeral homes chatting so loud that they actually disturb the prayers and mourning.

I noticed them in New York drinking in the funeral home's parking lot with the liquor in the trunk of their cars. A bad habit that has now spread to Canada.

I officiated at a funeral and appealed to them to cease this unacceptable behaviour. 

FM
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yuji22 posted:
 

Django,

Please permit me to comment if I may:

Our Berbicians have one bad habit. At funerals, they are in and around the funeral homes chatting so loud that they actually disturb the prayers and mourning.

I noticed them in New York drinking in the funeral home's parking lot with the liquor in the trunk of their cars. A bad habit that has now spread to Canada.

I officiated at a funeral and appealed to them to cease this unacceptable behaviour. 

True,

Demerarians are no different.

Django

Get outta here..peeps drinking in a funeral home's parking lot? That is indeed a shame. Dam, I've been to funerals and never saw any of this. I once saw strippers but they were paying respects to one of their own..and nooo they were not on tables.

The bikers have more respect dam. Just over a year ago I was at a biker"s funeral (Outlaws) they each had one drink after they went back to the clubhouse with the dude that checked out. After the toast they took his body back to the funeral home, went back to the clubhouse they then tied one on. That's how it is done.

cain

Cain,

Please visit a Indo Hindu funeral and spend some time in the parking lot and carefully take notice. Just observe. 

I admire my muslim brothers, they do not display this bad habit.

I did not notice this bad habit at Christian funerals either.

FM

Oi cham you know about this ongoing slackness? 

One thing I do notice on my way home on occasion. There is a funeral home in the Overlea Blvd and every so often there is a radar trap cop sitting in the driveway..pulling drivers over and giving tickets in the lot. That is eyepass.

cain
yuji22 posted:

Cain,

Please visit a Indo Hindu funeral and spend some time in the parking lot and carefully take notice. Just observe. 

I admire my muslim brothers, they do not display this bad habit.

I did not notice this bad habit at Christian funerals either.

Back home wake nights daru flowing,here not at Funeral Homes,maybe if wake is kept at their home.

 I am speaking of my Guyanese brothers.

Muslims that's Harram.

Django
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Oi cham you know about this ongoing slackness? 

One thing I do notice on my way home on occasion. There is a funeral home on Overlea Blvd and every so often there is a radar trap cop sitting in the driveway..pulling drivers over and giving tickets in the lot. That is eyepass.

cain
cain posted:

Oi cham you know about this ongoing slackness? 

One thing I do notice on my way home on occasion. There is a funeral home on Overlea Blvd and every so often there is a radar trap cop sitting in the driveway..pulling drivers over and giving tickets in the lot. That is eyepass.

This goes to show how little you have been around Indians hence your racist disdain for our indo guyanese culture. It is a tradition to send the dead off with a car trunk drink. In fact it is not relegated to Hindus or even Indians. I have seen Muslims and Blacks from the country areas doing the same. It is more of a portable bar. 

FM

True story. Was at the funeral of a family friend few years ago and a few guys sitting behind me were busy carrying on a conversation loudly. Finally I couldn't stand it anymore and turned around with a nasty look on my face and came face to face with one of my father's oldest friends. Chap looked at me and said, "he cyan't hear me, referring to the deceased, he dead", then added, "you know who tell me that? You ole man". I had no option but to smile and turn around.

GTAngler
Chameli posted:
cain posted:

Honestly Cham, I have seen drinks and food at wakes but never at any funeral I was ...ahem...invited to.

It's a clique thing...u doan drink so no one will offer...sometimes the guys ask each other..."u have a fine thing?" or such insider little communications

This goes to show how much Cain and  other Indo haters such as CaribJ and D2 understand about our culture. I remember how I was made to feel ashamed of the IdoGuyanese culture at Saints, Portuguese, Blacks and even some uppity Indians would make disparaging remarks about how we eat with our hands, smell of curry and worship idols.  Now after all my years of experience and knowledge I can put these idiots in their place when they come with their racist rants.

FM
Drugb posted:
Chameli posted:
cain posted:

Honestly Cham, I have seen drinks and food at wakes but never at any funeral I was ...ahem...invited to.

It's a clique thing...u doan drink so no one will offer...sometimes the guys ask each other..."u have a fine thing?" or such insider little communications

This goes to show how much Cain and  other Indo haters such as CaribJ and D2 understand about our culture. I remember how I was made to feel ashamed of the IdoGuyanese culture at Saints, Portuguese, Blacks and even some uppity Indians would make disparaging remarks about how we eat with our hands, smell of curry and worship idols.  Now after all my years of experience and knowledge I can put these idiots in their place when they come with their racist rants.

I will have to ask my Niece,Nephew [who is probably your age] Son and few other villagers who attended Saints if they had the same experience,all were from the Country areas,never heard any complaints that they were treated with disrespect.

Django
Django posted:

I will have to ask my Niece,Nephew [who is probably your age] Son and few other villagers who attended Saints if they had the same experience,all were from the Country areas,never heard any complaints that they were treated with disrespect.

I am not asking for your validation. Each of us have our own reality, you can not censor my own experiences on this forum. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Django posted:

I will have to ask my Niece,Nephew [who is probably your age] Son and few other villagers who attended Saints if they had the same experience,all were from the Country areas,never heard any complaints that they were treated with disrespect.

I am not asking for your validation. Each of us have our own reality, you can not censor my own experiences on this forum. 

Just seeking the truth,i think i have that right to verify if that Great Institution where family members and villagers attended,allowed racism to prevail.

Django
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Drugb posted:
Chameli posted:
cain posted:

Honestly Cham, I have seen drinks and food at wakes but never at any funeral I was ...ahem...invited to.

It's a clique thing...u doan drink so no one will offer...sometimes the guys ask each other..."u have a fine thing?" or such insider little communications

This goes to show how much Cain and  other Indo haters such as CaribJ and D2 understand about our culture. I remember how I was made to feel ashamed of the IdoGuyanese culture at Saints, Portuguese, Blacks and even some uppity Indians would make disparaging remarks about how we eat with our hands, smell of curry and worship idols.  Now after all my years of experience and knowledge I can put these idiots in their place when they come with their racist rants.

Lookie here...you did not even know that Hinduism was monotheistic. I had to inform you of that here. I am also of an indian centred home with practising Hindus and the reason I am a vegetarian...the compromise my Christian mother made with my father not to indoctrinate me into any tradition but let me choose. Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the

Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the artie money at the food of the hanuman murti now and then to buy cigarettes and smoke behind the horse shed or using it to buy my "sudden" books when I was a kid.  I even went to Hindi night school except they only thought us the script by the time I left. I know for sure I know as much Hindi as you do since my grandmother and my father spoke quite a bit of it when we were growing up. You and your presumption to know more than the available evidence has always been the reason you are an idiot.

FM
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Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:

I will have to ask my Niece,Nephew [who is probably your age] Son and few other villagers who attended Saints if they had the same experience,all were from the Country areas,never heard any complaints that they were treated with disrespect.

I am not asking for your validation. Each of us have our own reality, you can not censor my own experiences on this forum. 

Just seeking the truth,i think i have that right to verify if that Great Institution where family members and villagers attended,allowed racism to prevail.

That is not verification but rather a survey of other opinions. My own testimony is from my specific experiences.  

FM
D2 posted:.

Lookie here...you did not even know that Hinduism was monotheistic. I had to inform you of that here. I am also of an indian centred home with practising Hindus and the reason I am a vegetarian...the compromise my Christian mother made with my father not to indoctrinate me into any tradition but let me choose. Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the

Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the artie money at the food of the hanuman murti now and then to buy cigarettes and smoke behind the horse shed or using it to buy my "sudden" books when I was a kid.  I even went to Hindi night school except they only thought us the script by the time I left. I know for sure I know as much Hindi as you do since my grandmother and my father spoke quite a bit of it when we were growing up. You and your presumption to know more than the available evidence has always been the reason you are an idiot.

You never schooled me on anything about Hinduism, you yourself are a self confessed athiest who still believe in fairy tales and greek mythology. 

The fact that someone told you about hindu practices and you can regurgitate it is no evidence of you not being racist. Your actions of the years demeaning Indians are testimony to your hatred of Indians. You join the likes of other bottom feeders like cain, django, caribj and mars in make derogatory remarks about Indians. 

FM
Drugb posted:
D2 posted:.

Lookie here...you did not even know that Hinduism was monotheistic. I had to inform you of that here. I am also of an indian centred home with practising Hindus and the reason I am a vegetarian...the compromise my Christian mother made with my father not to indoctrinate me into any tradition but let me choose. Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the

Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the artie money at the food of the hanuman murti now and then to buy cigarettes and smoke behind the horse shed or using it to buy my "sudden" books when I was a kid.  I even went to Hindi night school except they only thought us the script by the time I left. I know for sure I know as much Hindi as you do since my grandmother and my father spoke quite a bit of it when we were growing up. You and your presumption to know more than the available evidence has always been the reason you are an idiot.

You never schooled me on anything about Hinduism, you yourself are a self confessed athiest who still believe in fairy tales and greek mythology. 

The fact that someone told you about hindu practices and you can regurgitate it is no evidence of you not being racist. Your actions of the years demeaning Indians are testimony to your hatred of Indians. You join the likes of other bottom feeders like cain, django, caribj and mars in make derogatory remarks about Indians. 

Dude Hinduism spans the spectrum of beliefs. From Samkhyaism ( pre Hindu and progenitor of the faith) to the Buddhists and the Jains, the degree of belief system spanned a triune god, monotheism and atheism.

And yes, I did tell you in a long discussion here that Sanathan dharma the brand of Hinduism that Guyanese subscribe to was monotheist. Shame and innate dishonesty would of course cause you to deny that.

I have little regard for Indians who cling to their legacy in dalitdom.

 

FM
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Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:

I will have to ask my Niece,Nephew [who is probably your age] Son and few other villagers who attended Saints if they had the same experience,all were from the Country areas,never heard any complaints that they were treated with disrespect.

I am not asking for your validation. Each of us have our own reality, you can not censor my own experiences on this forum. 

Just seeking the truth,i think i have that right to verify if that Great Institution where family members and villagers attended,allowed racism to prevail.

That is not verification but rather a survey of other opinions. My own testimony is from my specific experiences.  

Suh a survey will prove if Racism was allowed to prevail,or we have to take one person experience to taint that Great Institution,

and may i ask if you made any complaint so head of the Institution can take some actions,[you don't need to answer if you do not wish to].

When my Sister-in-Law goes to the city for Business,she will always stop by to say hello to Head of that Institution,she also attended Parent Teacher Meetings,although living far away in the country side,she looked after the interest of her two children and my son,we are living next to each other she had more interest in her nephew than his parents.

 

Django
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Drugb posted:
D2 posted:.

Lookie here...you did not even know that Hinduism was monotheistic. I had to inform you of that here. I am also of an indian centred home with practising Hindus and the reason I am a vegetarian...the compromise my Christian mother made with my father not to indoctrinate me into any tradition but let me choose. Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the

Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the artie money at the food of the hanuman murti now and then to buy cigarettes and smoke behind the horse shed or using it to buy my "sudden" books when I was a kid.  I even went to Hindi night school except they only thought us the script by the time I left. I know for sure I know as much Hindi as you do since my grandmother and my father spoke quite a bit of it when we were growing up. You and your presumption to know more than the available evidence has always been the reason you are an idiot.

You never schooled me on anything about Hinduism, you yourself are a self confessed athiest who still believe in fairy tales and greek mythology. 

The fact that someone told you about hindu practices and you can regurgitate it is no evidence of you not being racist. Your actions of the years demeaning Indians are testimony to your hatred of Indians. You join the likes of other bottom feeders like cain, django, caribj and mars in make derogatory remarks about Indians. 

I don't make derogatory remarks about anyone based on their race so stop lying. If I ever told you that you're an idiot, it was because of your idiotic behavior. Nothing to do with your race. 

Mars

It is obviousy druggie was a fool and carrued on with the same shit as he does here since school days and probably was picked on for that. Serves him right.

cain
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Drugb posted:
D2 posted:.

Lookie here...you did not even know that Hinduism was monotheistic. I had to inform you of that here. I am also of an indian centred home with practising Hindus and the reason I am a vegetarian...the compromise my Christian mother made with my father not to indoctrinate me into any tradition but let me choose. Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the

Every thing you saw in your house, I saw in mine...granted I had no prohibition swiping the artie money at the food of the hanuman murti now and then to buy cigarettes and smoke behind the horse shed or using it to buy my "sudden" books when I was a kid.  I even went to Hindi night school except they only thought us the script by the time I left. I know for sure I know as much Hindi as you do since my grandmother and my father spoke quite a bit of it when we were growing up. You and your presumption to know more than the available evidence has always been the reason you are an idiot.

You never schooled me on anything about Hinduism, you yourself are a self confessed athiest who still believe in fairy tales and greek mythology. 

The fact that someone told you about hindu practices and you can regurgitate it is no evidence of you not being racist. Your actions of the years demeaning Indians are testimony to your hatred of Indians. You join the likes of other bottom feeders like cain,django, caribj and mars in make derogatory remarks about Indians. 

Banna,take my name of the list,you are blowing hot air.

Django
Mars posted:

I don't make derogatory remarks about anyone based on their race so stop lying. If I ever told you that you're an idiot, it was because of your idiotic behavior. Nothing to do with your race. 

He just cannot help himself...lying comes easy to him...so easy he makes them up on the fly.

FM
D2 posted:
Mars posted:

I don't make derogatory remarks about anyone based on their race so stop lying. If I ever told you that you're an idiot, it was because of your idiotic behavior. Nothing to do with your race. 

He just cannot help himself...lying comes easy to him...so easy he makes them up on the fly.

That boy Mars team up with CaribJ calling us brown bai kkk. he is guilty as charged. Any derogatory comments about Indians normally brings a snicker from both of you pnc apologists.

FM
Drugb posted:
D2 posted:
Mars posted:

I don't make derogatory remarks about anyone based on their race so stop lying. If I ever told you that you're an idiot, it was because of your idiotic behavior. Nothing to do with your race. 

He just cannot help himself...lying comes easy to him...so easy he makes them up on the fly.

That boy Mars team up with CaribJ calling us brown bai kkk. he is guilty as charged. Any derogatory comments about Indians normally brings a snicker from both of you pnc apologists.

Try telling the truth for a change. You call yourself a Christian and heap lies upon lies. 

Mars
Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
D2 posted:
Mars posted:

I don't make derogatory remarks about anyone based on their race so stop lying. If I ever told you that you're an idiot, it was because of your idiotic behavior. Nothing to do with your race. 

He just cannot help himself...lying comes easy to him...so easy he makes them up on the fly.

That boy Mars team up with CaribJ calling us brown bai kkk. he is guilty as charged. Any derogatory comments about Indians normally brings a snicker from both of you pnc apologists.

Try telling the truth for a change. 

Go look in the archives at your comments about brown bai KKK.

FM

So sad cham..I will stay off of this thread after I say my bit. The conversation ran smooth..a certain walla brought up race and was ignored...you told me it is possible I dont drink so no one would invite me...no disrespect thus far

Baddam enter Walla yet again.

cain
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