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Originally Posted by simple:

The war has been over since 1992 and the PPP/C has been declared the winner by the international community. Jimmy Carter was there and he declared it so as well.

 

My Dear Simpleton,

 

Wars are won when one side is clearly defeated and the other is clearly victorious. This has not happened. Especially since you PPP auntymen dem complain of PNC buggery regularly.

 

Indians did not "defeat" Blacks. Nor should we. We should not seek to defeat 1/3 of our civil population. We should seek instead to formulate a social contract that is mutually acceptable so that our elections are more than Black v. Indian. I'm sick and tired of this nonsense. I'd like to have an election where we talk about issues.

 

That David Granger's words do not hit a profound note in your mind simply tells me that you are indeed a simpleton and have no clue about what I speak of. Go talk to the Rev. He's more your ilk, not I.

FM
Originally Posted by simple:

We are going to bring the war criminal (Granger) to justice. Rodney and the ballot box martyrs, Parmanand and Ramessar red blood is on his hands.

That apology is totally unacceptable. Place the hand cuffs on him.

 

So Granger has been living in Guyana since 1992 to the present. How come ayuh auntyman ain't arrest he yet for all them "war crimes"?

 

Do you even know WTF a "war crime" is you chammar?

FM

TIME.

 

Time has passages. It writes the story of a country, the passages of its sorrow, passages of its pain, passages of its suffering and……..

Ours is missing the passages of its joy. That we shall have soon. And soon can’t come quick enough for the celebration of good governance.

We eagerly await ELECTION DAY-all those who oppose the regime of the People’s Progress Party.

In Ecclesiastes 3, it is written, ”A Time for Everything.”

Time has come to choose a NEW PATH.

A path, I ENCOUAGE the YOUNG citizens to FOLLOW.

For fear exists in the land. No longer hidden. No longer an assumption of distrust. It is a practiced discrimination by the electorate. Afro will choose the PNC/APNU. The PPP and AFC battle for the Indo votes. The Amerindians free to choose one of these entities whose spell they happen to fall under. 

Imagine the People’s Progressive Party dominance of over their Indo supporters. Fearful is the AFC of the backlash of their portion of Indo supporters, if they stood side by side with PNC/APNU, at the rally against the Proroguing of Parliament.

YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE in this existing political climate, IS TO BE LOST FOREVER in confrontation. Such a scenario do no good for the country-it will ALWAYS leave us divided.

A clear majority is needed to move us forward in trust.

Time for the PATH that molds us as one people, one nation with one a common destiny.

YOUNG PEOPLE, this is your opportunity. Embrace your future.

This is your era.   

Young Amerindians, stand up and be significant in the development of your country.

Afro-Guyanese youths balance this nation with your fellow countrymen-the young Indo-Guyanese, the young Amerinds and the young of the other Races. For we are all Guyanese.  

Today, by the touch of a keypad you can access information from any time in history and of any culture.

Young People you can read of your past.  You are from a people with a history of suffering, pain and sorrow. IT IS YOUR RIGHT to usher in JOY in this country.

I urge you to be hungry and desperate for a new season. For it is your season. Seize the day and the moment. You are a chosen generation after centuries of hardships. Do it with all your might. Be like a meteor that is destined to consume anything in the old path. Seek for the citizens a new PATH.

And the people can say (Psalm 126), β€œThe Lord has done great things for us, and we are filled with joy.”

 

 

THE MESSAGE:

It is empowerment. And Local Government Elections is the bedrock upon which progress and empowerment is built upon. To deny you these elections is to deny you a say in the affairs of your country. Relinquishing your power to a centralized group of men and women far removed from your communities. You should be a stake holder in your country and if you have the talent to rise economically then we should have a government that bolster your aspirations-giving support, advice and directions to make your dreams a reality. We need a government that permit Guyanese of all walks of life to develop businesses and benefit from the richness of the land-its gold, timber, etc, etc. I believe in Guyanese first. Foreign investments is not only to extract our riches, but to learn from and eventually be their competitors.

The world was intended to be a sweet place.

No one wants to die but live forever-Guyana is a sweet place. But there are men whose works are mischievous, bringing misery into the lives of others-mostly to the masses.

Happiness is a comfort-it is only attainable if we care for one another. And democracy gives us all a say in the paths that we choose as a nation.

But Democracy demands Wisdom.

This election is about your empowerment, your knowledge, your wisdom and your destiny as one nation. It is all about your Democracy.

 

 THE PROPOSAL:

1)       No effort must be spared to empower Amerindians.

Opportunities in Guyana Defence Force will be opened to them. A contingent in the army with be created wholly for these citizens. Capable youths of male and female willing to participate will be educated to highest level at an accelerated pace. Their services are urgently needed to supervise and monitor our resources in the hinterland.

 

2)      An Elite Armed Services will be created, comprising of talented from the ranks of the existing GDF and contingent of the Amerindians. Reflective of the races of the nation. They will be the eyes and ears of the country. Trained to fly within our air space, operate ocean going vehicles to provide safety to our fishermen within our territorial waters and hasten over land with modern equipment to protect our sovereignty.  Our intelligence gathering to protect our God given inheritance will be spared no cost.   

TRUTH & RECONCILIATION:

As a citizen of Guyana, if you were wronged in any way by the previous governments (after independence) you will be urged to come forward with your case. This includes those who were deviously robbed through corruption of their properties of house and land. Leased lands that was repossessed by the government without compensation. If government officials dismantled your living quarters and caused your family hardships, you will be heard. Cases will be heard by a selective body of professionals. If it warrants a judicial decision, it will be forwarded to a special court set up for expeditious judgement.  This country is yours and you must come first in all facets of its development. No Guyanese, regardless of education or influence are ever allowed to disrespect their fellow citizens no matter what level of the society they may find themselves.

 

BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT:

Corruption is a detriment to any type of business-large or small. It diminishes profitability, competition and the desire to invest in yourself-the entrepreneurial spirit. Further, it creates an elite class with ill- gotten gains. Such class of individuals are repressive to superiors as well as subordinates-for they are a people who care less about nation building and more on chaos of the society. Under such systems they excel in their corruptions.

This Movement will discourage all foreign importation. I want to emphasize discourage not banned. The emphasis is to manufacture every possible commodity that we consume. Thereby creating businesses and employment opportunities for Guyanese.  We will as a governing body encourage and assist in the development of the Fashion Industry, Music Industry, Film-making and documentaries to tell our stories. We have a history and there is the need for us to be entertained by our joys, pains and hurts. Individually we experience life and collectively as a nation, together we all share in the experiences of life.   

Some might argue, β€œWhere are we going get the money to do this?”  By an ordered and well organized taxation system we will collect every penny of taxes owing to the State. Be it foreign or local entities.

Our places of higher learning will develop programmes to train Guyanese to undertake all the infra-structure work necessary to make us a First-World nation.

Every Industrial Estate will have the necessary facilities to generate electricity for production. Localized power generation, reduces cost of electricity also maintenance costs. Security will be a priority, to protect the investments of those who dared to dream the progress of a country.

Copyright laws will be enacted to guarantee the royalties which you richly deserve for your efforts. 

We are going to add value to every piece of raw material that we extract from the land. It is a priority for Guyana. For a Home-based population of less than a million, we should have better standard of living. We have in diaspora perhaps an equal amount hoping to return to the place of their birth-a place free of crime and corruption.

And much more will be done.

 

THE REALITY:

We cannot escape the Racism that exists in this country. And to say, it is not there, is to fool one self.  In particular, we have Guyanese who write continually on the marginalization of Afro-Guyanese. And I cannot predict when this nation will be able to embrace itself with the races of people we proudly say we have in our midst. But we must do what must do to develop a country for all.  We have seen political parties that have trampled on the civil rights of ethnic groups in our history. And we never know when again such men would come out of the woodwork and receive approval of their constituents. EVEN THOUGH, I WOULD CANVASS FOR EVERY VOTE with the hope of denying every other political party an elected seat in parliament. I would promote among many other things that the AFC, PNC, PPP and every other political party receive equal funding and air time. Contesting an election should never be a battle, a war or denying. We should share the common goals of making the country a better place. Instead of what is being done now, prohibiting those who wish to govern by every conceivable means.

 

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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

This is a man who gets it. He seems to have a grasp of Guyanese history and our present predicament.

 

I hope he makes it. However, I suspect the record of anti-Indian violence left behind by the PNC's street mobs may deprive Guyana of his services as President. I pray to the atheist gods that I am wrong on this account.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone?  Nothing, their in nothing to stop him or and subsequent PNC leaders to revert to the old PNC tactics should their rule be challenged at some future date.

 

The clear mantra of his cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011, once they get in, the PNC will never again leave power, they will use the military and other sources to accomplish that goal.  The PNC are wolves in sheep clothing.  They cannot be trusted.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

This is a man who gets it. He seems to have a grasp of Guyanese history and our present predicament.

 

I hope he makes it. However, I suspect the record of anti-Indian violence left behind by the PNC's street mobs may deprive Guyana of his services as President. I pray to the atheist gods that I am wrong on this account.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone?  Nothing, their in nothing to stop him or and subsequent PNC leaders to revert to the old PNC tactics should their rule be challenged at some future date.

 

The clear mantra of his cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011, once they get in, the PNC will never again leave power, they will use the military and other sources to accomplish that goal.  The PNC are wolves in sheep clothing.  They cannot be trusted.

 

This slow burn racial issue is gonna get resolved by history soon in one of the following ways:

 

1) Continued Indian Rule (demographics preclude it and also the PPP is pretty clumsy and incompetent. They only know how to tief)

2) Black Rule (this will happen anyway due to demographics)

3) A Multiethnic Solution of Some Sort (best case for us all)

 

The PPP is living on borrowed time. If they manage to survive May 11th, then I guarantee you they'll be out in 2020. Indians need to start preparing for the day when Guyana becomes a majority-Black nation with a majority Black Government. The PPP's misdeeds will be remembered by the Black population as the misdeeds of "Indian Rule" so we should at least look to reforming the State before it's handed over to the PNC who will probably be exactly like the PPP circa 1992, a bunch of hungry belly daags starving for the perks and powers of office and in no mood to compromise.

 

Abbe PPP mudheads (you included) cannot see beyond ayuh dhall an roti. Guyanese Indians as a group are on the wrong side of the forces which shape the destinies of nations.

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

This is a man who gets it. He seems to have a grasp of Guyanese history and our present predicament.

 

I hope he makes it. However, I suspect the record of anti-Indian violence left behind by the PNC's street mobs may deprive Guyana of his services as President. I pray to the atheist gods that I am wrong on this account.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone?  Nothing, their in nothing to stop him or and subsequent PNC leaders to revert to the old PNC tactics should their rule be challenged at some future date.

 

The clear mantra of his cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011, once they get in, the PNC will never again leave power, they will use the military and other sources to accomplish that goal.  The PNC are wolves in sheep clothing.  They cannot be trusted.

 

This slow burn racial issue is gonna get resolved by history soon in one of the following ways:

 

1) Continued Indian Rule (demographics preclude it and also the PPP is pretty clumsy and incompetent. They only know how to tief)

2) Black Rule (this will happen anyway due to demographics)

3) A Multiethnic Solution of Some Sort (best case for us all)

 

The PPP is living on borrowed time. If they manage to survive May 11th, then I guarantee you they'll be out in 2020. Indians need to start preparing for the day when Guyana becomes a majority-Black nation with a majority Black Government. The PPP's misdeeds will be remembered by the Black population as the misdeeds of "Indian Rule" so we should at least look to reforming the State before it's handed over to the PNC who will probably be exactly like the PPP circa 1992, a bunch of hungry belly daags starving for the perks and powers of office and in no mood to compromise.

 

Abbe PPP mudheads (you included) cannot see beyond ayuh dhall an roti. Guyanese Indians as a group are on the wrong side of the forces which shape the destinies of nations.

more brer rabbit 'cleverness' from shaitaan, as cover . . .

 

brite bai stuff

FM
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

This is a man who gets it. He seems to have a grasp of Guyanese history and our present predicament.

 

I hope he makes it. However, I suspect the record of anti-Indian violence left behind by the PNC's street mobs may deprive Guyana of his services as President. I pray to the atheist gods that I am wrong on this account.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone?  Nothing, their in nothing to stop him or and subsequent PNC leaders to revert to the old PNC tactics should their rule be challenged at some future date.

 

The clear mantra of his cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011, once they get in, the PNC will never again leave power, they will use the military and other sources to accomplish that goal.  The PNC are wolves in sheep clothing.  They cannot be trusted.

 

This slow burn racial issue is gonna get resolved by history soon in one of the following ways:

 

1) Continued Indian Rule (demographics preclude it and also the PPP is pretty clumsy and incompetent. They only know how to tief)

2) Black Rule (this will happen anyway due to demographics)

3) A Multiethnic Solution of Some Sort (best case for us all)

 

The PPP is living on borrowed time. If they manage to survive May 11th, then I guarantee you they'll be out in 2020. Indians need to start preparing for the day when Guyana becomes a majority-Black nation with a majority Black Government. The PPP's misdeeds will be remembered by the Black population as the misdeeds of "Indian Rule" so we should at least look to reforming the State before it's handed over to the PNC who will probably be exactly like the PPP circa 1992, a bunch of hungry belly daags starving for the perks and powers of office and in no mood to compromise.

 

Abbe PPP mudheads (you included) cannot see beyond ayuh dhall an roti. Guyanese Indians as a group are on the wrong side of the forces which shape the destinies of nations.

more brer rabbit 'cleverness' from shaitaan, as cover . . .

 

brite bai stuff

 

Cover for what pray tell?

 

Some hidden agenda that gets advanced by staying hidden?

 

I was under the impression that political agendas get advanced in the public sphere by wide dissemination.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

This is a man who gets it. He seems to have a grasp of Guyanese history and our present predicament.

 

I hope he makes it. However, I suspect the record of anti-Indian violence left behind by the PNC's street mobs may deprive Guyana of his services as President. I pray to the atheist gods that I am wrong on this account.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone?  Nothing, their in nothing to stop him or and subsequent PNC leaders to revert to the old PNC tactics should their rule be challenged at some future date.

 

The clear mantra of his cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011, once they get in, the PNC will never again leave power, they will use the military and other sources to accomplish that goal.  The PNC are wolves in sheep clothing.  They cannot be trusted.

 

This slow burn racial issue is gonna get resolved by history soon in one of the following ways:

 

1) Continued Indian Rule (demographics preclude it and also the PPP is pretty clumsy and incompetent. They only know how to tief)

2) Black Rule (this will happen anyway due to demographics)

3) A Multiethnic Solution of Some Sort (best case for us all)

 

The PPP is living on borrowed time. If they manage to survive May 11th, then I guarantee you they'll be out in 2020. Indians need to start preparing for the day when Guyana becomes a majority-Black nation with a majority Black Government. The PPP's misdeeds will be remembered by the Black population as the misdeeds of "Indian Rule" so we should at least look to reforming the State before it's handed over to the PNC who will probably be exactly like the PPP circa 1992, a bunch of hungry belly daags starving for the perks and powers of office and in no mood to compromise.

 

Abbe PPP mudheads (you included) cannot see beyond ayuh dhall an roti. Guyanese Indians as a group are on the wrong side of the forces which shape the destinies of nations.

more brer rabbit 'cleverness' from shaitaan, as cover . . .

 

brite bai stuff

 

Cover for what pray tell?

 

Some hidden agenda that gets advanced by staying hidden?

 

I was under the impression that political agendas get advanced in the public sphere by wide dissemination.

indeed!

 

ahmmm, think of "cover" in its proper context . . . hmmmm?

FM
Originally Posted by Nehru:

Shaitaan Bhai, A note of caution: Talk is cheap.  Some people given their History cannot be trusted.  They made rasy promises before and many ended up dead.

 

Granger I find trustworthy. It's the political creatures that are sitting on his coattails who will be dragged into Government should he win election that bothers me.

 

The Rickford Burke types who think "all coolie fi dead" and other such philosophers and deep thinkers.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Granger I find trustworthy. It's the political creatures that are sitting on his coattails who will be dragged into Government should he win election that bothers me.

 

The Rickford Burke types who think "all coolie fi dead" and other such philosophers and deep thinkers.

really now? . . . from the confused dissembler who told us a couple of mornings ago that he favored a APNU stand alone victory at the polls over one by the coalition

 

now this, abee Guyana version of loser Fox News antimen frightening us with lurid race bait featuring Al Sharpton making policy in Obama's White House and Mayor DiBlasio's City Hall

 

btw, did Rickford Burke ever say "all coolie fi dead" as u slyly imply? . . . never heard that

 

smfh

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
really now? . . . from the confused dissembler who told us a couple of mornings ago that he favored a APNU stand alone victory at the polls over one by the coalition

 

 

Yep...still do. An APNU Minority Government in the Executive and an AFC holding the balance of power in the National Assembly and the PPP sitting in Opposition. That's perfectly acceptable to me.

 

I'm hoping for a 32-32-1 result with APNU holding the Presidency. Or alternatively some similar permutation which leaves the PPP with a Minority Government.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
really now? . . . from the confused dissembler who told us a couple of mornings ago that he favored a APNU stand alone victory at the polls over one by the coalition

 

now this, abee Guyana version of loser Fox News antimen frightening us with lurid race bait featuring Al Sharpton making policy in Obama's White House and Mayor DiBlasio's City Hall

 

btw, did Rickford Burke ever say "all coolie fi dead" as u slyly imply? . . . never heard that

 

smfh

 

Yep...still do. An APNU Minority Government in the Executive and an AFC holding the balance of power in the National Assembly and the PPP sitting in Opposition. That's perfectly acceptable to me.

 

I'm hoping for a 32-32-1 result with APNU holding the Presidency. Or alternatively some similar permutation which leaves the PPP with a Minority Government.

weasel shyte . . . making no bloody sense

 

with all you have written about the Guyana apocalypse if PNC blackman wins the presidency; the militarization of Guyana; revenge a certainty; zero sum politics; the existential disaster for Indians . . . who do you really think you are fooling?

 

what a fraud

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone? 

12 out of the possible 33 or 34 seats that APNU AFC might win. Given that APNU AFC isn't going to win 45 seats then it does suggest that the departure of the AFC, which has now become Nagamootoo's party, will pretty much end the APNU govt.

 

It appears to me as if the real question is whether you think that Nagamootoo will remain with the coalition gov't of it behaves as the PNC did under Burnham.

 

Now what checks and balances do we have against PPP oppression and revenge against "dirty" Indians, whose defection from the PPP slave plantation is causing them anxiety?

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
really now? . . . from the confused dissembler who told us a couple of mornings ago that he favored a APNU stand alone victory at the polls over one by the coalition

 

now this, abee Guyana version of loser Fox News antimen frightening us with lurid race bait featuring Al Sharpton making policy in Obama's White House and Mayor DiBlasio's City Hall

 

btw, did Rickford Burke ever say "all coolie fi dead" as u slyly imply? . . . never heard that

 

smfh

 

Yep...still do. An APNU Minority Government in the Executive and an AFC holding the balance of power in the National Assembly and the PPP sitting in Opposition. That's perfectly acceptable to me.

 

I'm hoping for a 32-32-1 result with APNU holding the Presidency. Or alternatively some similar permutation which leaves the PPP with a Minority Government.

weasel shyte . . . making no bloody sense

 

with all you have written about the Guyana apocalypse if PNC blackman wins the presidency; the militarization of Guyana; revenge a certainty; zero sum politics; the existential disaster for Indians . . . who do you really think you are fooling?

 

what a fraud

 

1. I have never held Blacks to be unfit for any office whatsoever. On the contrary, the only political figure I have not even criticized is David Granger. Last I checked David Granger was Black.

 

2. I criticize the PNC as an organization because it has a sordid history of anti-Indian violence that it just can't shake off.

 

3. Militarization of Guyana? You must have me confused with dem PPP posters. Never said or implied such a thing.

 

4. Ethnic "revenge" of some sort to some degree is pretty much a hallowed  Guyanese custom by now. I have relatives who were dismissed from the civil service as soon as the PNC came to power in 1964 on trumped up charges. And I'm sure the PPP removed a boatload of competent Blacks from the civil service (home and foreign) when they came to power. In 2015, if the Coalition wins there will be a hundreds if not thousands of dismissals of Indians (many justified, some not). There is always an element in the PPP and the PNC that wants to give some "pay back."

 

5. We have zero sum politics. Thanks in no small part to the PNC and their illustrious constitutional architecture which they conjured up and erected in Guyana.

 

6. Indians are facing an existential disaster in Guyana. The problem is that the PPP is not a solution as much as the PNC isn't.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
really now? . . . from the confused dissembler who told us a couple of mornings ago that he favored a APNU stand alone victory at the polls over one by the coalition

 

now this, abee Guyana version of loser Fox News antimen frightening us with lurid race bait featuring Al Sharpton making policy in Obama's White House and Mayor DiBlasio's City Hall

 

btw, did Rickford Burke ever say "all coolie fi dead" as u slyly imply? . . . never heard that

 

smfh

 

Yep...still do. An APNU Minority Government in the Executive and an AFC holding the balance of power in the National Assembly and the PPP sitting in Opposition. That's perfectly acceptable to me.

 

I'm hoping for a 32-32-1 result with APNU holding the Presidency. Or alternatively some similar permutation which leaves the PPP with a Minority Government.

weasel shyte . . . making no bloody sense

 

with all you have written about the Guyana apocalypse if PNC blackman wins the presidency; the militarization of Guyana; revenge a certainty; zero sum politics; the existential disaster for Indians . . . who do you really think you are fooling?

 

what a fraud

 

1. I have never held Blacks to be unfit for any office whatsoever. On the contrary, the only political figure I have not even criticized is David Granger. Last I checked David Granger was Black.

 

2. I criticize the PNC as an organization because it has a sordid history of anti-Indian violence that it just can't shake off.

 

3. Militarization of Guyana? You must have me confused with dem PPP posters. Never said or implied such a thing.

 

4. Ethnic "revenge" of some sort to some degree is pretty much a hallowed  Guyanese custom by now. I have relatives who were dismissed from the civil service as soon as the PNC came to power in 1964 on trumped up charges. And I'm sure the PPP removed a boatload of competent Blacks from the civil service (home and foreign) when they came to power. In 2015, if the Coalition wins there will be a hundreds if not thousands of dismissals of Indians (many justified, some not). There is always an element in the PPP and the PNC that wants to give some "pay back."

 

5. We have zero sum politics. Thanks in no small part to the PNC and their illustrious constitutional architecture which they conjured up and erected in Guyana.

 

6. Indians are facing an existential disaster in Guyana. The problem is that the PPP is not a solution as much as the PNC isn't.

as i noted . . . the contradictions, confusion, mendacity and outright comedy of your lengthy and multifarious dissembling are manifest and require no additional comment by me at this time

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

6. Indians are facing an existential disaster in Guyana. The problem is that the PPP is not a solution as much as the PNC isn't.

So given that not every one can leave Guyana then isn't it in the interest for Indians to PROACTIVELY engage themselves with cross ethnic alliances and then see to it that these alliances are MUTUALLY beneficial.

 

If Nagamootoo fires thousands of Indians then blame him and not the PNC. He is responsible for crafting the shape of the ministries and staffing the boards and top leadership of state owned entities.

 

 In fact I am sure that he negotiated it, and the PNC agreed to prevent the very spirit of ethnic revenge which occurred in 1964 and again in 1992.

 

The return of the PPP means the current economic holocaust against blacks, joined by those who the PPP considers to be "dirty" Indians.  Of course the Indian masses will remain the dalits, to be used as collateral damage so that the few Indian elites can retain 100% POWER!

 

I expect the PPP will become like the post 1978 PNC. With the growth of the WPA and restiveness in Linden, Buxton and elsewhere and with more of the black intelligentsia becoming anti Burnham there was tremendous crack down by the PNC with a spirit of pure vindictiveness and arrogance.

 

The PPP is now where the PNC was in 1978.

FM
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Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by redux:
really now? . . . from the confused dissembler who told us a couple of mornings ago that he favored a APNU stand alone victory at the polls over one by the coalition

 

now this, abee Guyana version of loser Fox News antimen frightening us with lurid race bait featuring Al Sharpton making policy in Obama's White House and Mayor DiBlasio's City Hall

 

btw, did Rickford Burke ever say "all coolie fi dead" as u slyly imply? . . . never heard that

 

smfh

 

Yep...still do. An APNU Minority Government in the Executive and an AFC holding the balance of power in the National Assembly and the PPP sitting in Opposition. That's perfectly acceptable to me.

 

I'm hoping for a 32-32-1 result with APNU holding the Presidency. Or alternatively some similar permutation which leaves the PPP with a Minority Government.

weasel shyte . . . making no bloody sense

 

with all you have written about the Guyana apocalypse if PNC blackman wins the presidency; the militarization of Guyana; revenge a certainty; zero sum politics; the existential disaster for Indians . . . who do you really think you are fooling?

 

what a fraud

 

1. I have never held Blacks to be unfit for any office whatsoever. On the contrary, the only political figure I have not even criticized is David Granger. Last I checked David Granger was Black.

 

2. I criticize the PNC as an organization because it has a sordid history of anti-Indian violence that it just can't shake off.

 

3. Militarization of Guyana? You must have me confused with dem PPP posters. Never said or implied such a thing.

 

4. Ethnic "revenge" of some sort to some degree is pretty much a hallowed  Guyanese custom by now. I have relatives who were dismissed from the civil service as soon as the PNC came to power in 1964 on trumped up charges. And I'm sure the PPP removed a boatload of competent Blacks from the civil service (home and foreign) when they came to power. In 2015, if the Coalition wins there will be a hundreds if not thousands of dismissals of Indians (many justified, some not). There is always an element in the PPP and the PNC that wants to give some "pay back."

 

5. We have zero sum politics. Thanks in no small part to the PNC and their illustrious constitutional architecture which they conjured up and erected in Guyana.

 

6. Indians are facing an existential disaster in Guyana. The problem is that the PPP is not a solution as much as the PNC isn't.

as i noted . . . the contradictions, confusion, mendacity and outright comedy of your lengthy and multifarious dissembling are manifest and require no additional comment by me at this time

 

Guyana is the one place where contradictions are the order of the day. One cannot subscribe to the proposition that this thing is bad therefore that thing is good.

 

Try and understand something really simple chap.....almost everything in Guyana, every party, every ethnic group (except probably the Amerindians) is tainted, rotten, and corrupted. There are no goodies v. baddies. There are generally baddies and other baddies.

 

The PPP is a good example of the baddies next to the PNC which is just some other baddies.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

Try and understand something really simple chap.....almost everything in Guyana, every party, every ethnic group (except probably the Amerindians) is tainted, rotten, and corrupted. There are no goodies v. baddies. There are generally baddies and other baddies.

 

The PPP is a good example of the baddies next to the PNC which is just some other baddies.

I heartily agree with you.

 

But then you wage a one sided scream against PNC (black) violence against Indians, ignoring Indian on black, Indian on Indian, black on black, and Indian/black on Amerindian.

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
 

Try and understand something really simple chap.....almost everything in Guyana, every party, every ethnic group (except probably the Amerindians) is tainted, rotten, and corrupted. There are no goodies v. baddies. There are generally baddies and other baddies.

 

The PPP is a good example of the baddies next to the PNC which is just some other baddies.

I heartily agree with you.

 

But then you wage a one sided scream against PNC (black) violence against Indians, ignoring Indian on black, Indian on Indian, black on black, and Indian/black on Amerindian.

 

Do you even read anything I write before you start assuming words I have not said representing beliefs I don't hold?

 

I'm sure that there's significant Indian on Black criminal violence, Indian on Indian criminal violence, Black on Black criminal violence, and Indian+Black criminal violence on Amerindians.

 

The reason why I appear to you to focus on PNC violence against Indians is quite simple. Really really simple. It's because it's political violence. That simple. It's why terrorism is not defined as "ordinary crime" or "ordinary murder." It's because it's a crime in the context of politics. Do you think you can stick to this simple explanation for a moment without going into la-la-land about me supposedly caring only for Indo lives vs. some pathological hatred of Blacks you seem to think I have?

 

I've had the same conversation ad nauseum with Muslims here on Islamic terrorism and why I'm almost unconcerned about Muslims committing ordinary crimes like civilized cretins as opposed to terrorism like savages.

FM
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Shaitaan:

This is a man who gets it. He seems to have a grasp of Guyanese history and our present predicament.

 

I hope he makes it. However, I suspect the record of anti-Indian violence left behind by the PNC's street mobs may deprive Guyana of his services as President. I pray to the atheist gods that I am wrong on this account.

What concrete measures has he proposed to ensure the excesses of the past cannot be repeated even after he is long gone?  Nothing, their in nothing to stop him or and subsequent PNC leaders to revert to the old PNC tactics should their rule be challenged at some future date.

 

The clear mantra of his cadre of ex-military campaigners in 2011, once they get in, the PNC will never again leave power, they will use the military and other sources to accomplish that goal.  The PNC are wolves in sheep clothing.  They cannot be trusted.

 

This slow burn racial issue is gonna get resolved by history soon in one of the following ways:

 

1) Continued Indian Rule (demographics preclude it and also the PPP is pretty clumsy and incompetent. They only know how to tief)

2) Black Rule (this will happen anyway due to demographics)

3) A Multiethnic Solution of Some Sort (best case for us all)

 

The PPP is living on borrowed time. If they manage to survive May 11th, then I guarantee you they'll be out in 2020. Indians need to start preparing for the day when Guyana becomes a majority-Black nation with a majority Black Government. The PPP's misdeeds will be remembered by the Black population as the misdeeds of "Indian Rule" so we should at least look to reforming the State before it's handed over to the PNC who will probably be exactly like the PPP circa 1992, a bunch of hungry belly daags starving for the perks and powers of office and in no mood to compromise.

 

Abbe PPP mudheads (you included) cannot see beyond ayuh dhall an roti. Guyanese Indians as a group are on the wrong side of the forces which shape the destinies of nations.

Yes Farouk, everyone knows your number, and it fits so well.

FM
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Originally Posted by Shaitaan:
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Do you even read anything I write before you start assuming words I have not said representing beliefs I don't hold?

 

I'm sure that there's significant Indian on Black criminal violence, Indian on Indian criminal violence, Black on Black criminal violence, and Indian+Black criminal violence on Amerindians.

 

The reason why I appear to you to focus on PNC violence against Indians is quite simple. Really really simple. It's because it's political violence. That simple. It's why terrorism is not defined as "ordinary crime" or "ordinary murder." It's because it's a crime in the context of politics. Do you think you can stick to this simple explanation for a moment without going into la-la-land about me supposedly caring only for Indo lives vs. some pathological hatred of Blacks you seem to think I have?

 

I've had the same conversation ad nauseum with Muslims here on Islamic terrorism and why I'm almost unconcerned about Muslims committing ordinary crimes like civilized cretins as opposed to terrorism like savages.

If there is any one who I read on GNI its you.  You are the only Indo KKKite who writes with some intelligence so you provide information about how the ROARites/PPPItes think.

 

You are screaming race when there was ONE attack.  We do not know who the attackers are.  You have NOT furnished proof that elements within the PNC are creating an environment to encourage their supporters to attack Indians. 

 

You have made lots of excuses about why Crum Ewing was murdered, even though even YOU concede that it was quite likely political, and more disturbingly, orchestrated from the highest levels.

 

And yet you launch into anti PNC hysteria when it is the PNC and NOT the PPP who in this election, are attempting to rise above the quagmire.

 

When Anil Nandlall calls up the KN and threatens IT IS POLITICAL.  When a protestor is murdered after threats of violence were directed against them IT IS POLITICAL.

 

The fact that you focus on one isolated incident, when we don't know who was responsible, or what their motivations were, when there is more then enough evidence to support rumors that Anil and Kwame were actively involved in a POLITICAL MURDER, shows your racist bias!

FM
Originally Posted by caribny:
If there is any one who I read on GNI its you.  You are the only Indo KKKite who writes with some intelligence so you provide information about how the ROARites/PPPItes think.

 

You are screaming race when there was ONE attack.  We do not know who the attackers are.  You have NOT furnished proof that elements within the PNC are creating an environment to encourage their supporters to attack Indians. 

 

You have made lots of excuses about why Crum Ewing was murdered, even though even YOU concede that it was quite likely political, and more disturbingly, orchestrated from the highest levels.

 

And yet you launch into anti PNC hysteria when it is the PNC and NOT the PPP who in this election, are attempting to rise above the quagmire.

 

When Anil Nandlall calls up the KN and threatens IT IS POLITICAL.  When a protestor is murdered after threats of violence were directed against them IT IS POLITICAL.

 

The fact that you focus on one isolated incident, when we don't know who was responsible, or what their motivations were, when there is more then enough evidence to support rumors that Anil and Kwame were actively involved in a POLITICAL MURDER, shows your racist bias!

 

I must say you have a peculiar way of giving a compliment laced with a heavy dose of malathion. Are you sure you're not at least part dalit?

 

I'm not so sure I represent the typical mind of a PPPite or even ROARite. I've always been a party of one with varied opinions on varied subject areas. You may rest assured that I write here for the purpose of providing as much of an unbiased voice as I can muster within my own numerous limitations.

 

I cannot help but cringe every time you break out the term Indo KKK for a number of reasons. First, you lower the tenor of our dialogues a couple notches. Second, you do great injustice to the history of suffering of American Blacks and others at the hands of the real KKK. Third, you oversimplify our racial issues to Blackman good v. Coolieman bad. For the last reason alone, I do my utmost to avoid calling an interlocutor especially one who is Guyanese Black a "racist" if only because it does nothing to advance the dialogue. If he/she is indeed a racist then I must still deal with them because they're part of my tribe (one of the many I hold membership in) and I can't make my peace with my friends but I must do so with those with whom I have outstanding differences with that need settling. Fourth, and most personal and thus most importantly you injure my innermost Shaitaan with such a casual charge of anti-Black racism as I am largely the product not of Indian mentors or white mentors but of British Afro-Saxon mentors and American Black mentors. I was moulded into the human I am today largely because of great Black men and women in my life. One particular British Afro-Saxon mentor who has guided me through my formative teen and young adult years has arguably exercised more influence and commanded more affection from me than my own father. It's probably why I have such a soft spot for you Afro-Saxons, even the rogue ones like you. So it does pain me a little to think that I can be painted as "Indo KKK", especially in relation to Black people. Irish people sure. I'm not fond of the Irish. But not Black people.

 

To your points.

 

I was not screaming "race." I was pointing out what I and probably 99% of Indos will hear when they are presented with this story. Here's the PNC (and more specifically some of its supporters) assaulting Indian women and children again. And we're not surprised that even led by a David Granger, some PNCites just can't help themselves.

 

I don't know why you think I somehow want to "excuse" away the murder of Crum Ewing. I'm pretty sure I haven't done that.

 

The PNC is not trying to rise above the "quagmire" per se. They're trying to win an election. Not that I'm not sympathetic to that nor do I think anything is wrong with that. I'm not an idealist but a realist. I'm ok with working with the Devil if and when necessary. Let me be lil moh clear on this point. I am biased against the AFC Indians. Like really biased. I don't like them. Meaning, I personally don't like them and their political pedigrees. Much more so than the average Indian dislikes them. Remember how you took pains to describe how Cheddi was Burnham's favorite coolie antiman? I agree with you. Cheddi's ghost is contained in these AFC Indians' heads. And I'm in no rush to marry the Cheddi cultists still possessed with his demon to political power. The more you talk to me about Moses and AFC Spicy Recipe, the more you frighten me. Oddly enough, I trust David Granger over any Coalition Indian period. If only for the fact that he doesn't have to look over his shoulder to make sure he's "acting Black enough" like abbe clumsy Jaganites when dem deh around Black people. Give me a Black person sure of himself any day over a malformed Indian with a complex.

 

Yes Anil Nandlall is a madman. And his threats are clearly political. If you notice I have spent the overwhelming part of my years on GNI being vicious to the PPP and their GNI supporters. I only train my guns on the PNC for one thing: anti-Indian violence. Do you even hear me routinely mention anything pre-1992?

 

Please consider my words carefully as I have shared as much of my mind and in one instance here a part of my personal history very few people know of.

 

FM
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One incident of stone throwing by people nobody knows...certainly not done with the knowledge of the PNC officialdom.

 

A KILLING of a black protestor, and extrajudicial killings of over 400 blacks at the hands of people connected to the PPP.

 

Hmmm.  Your screams are only about the PNC.  Why then are you shocked that some might see you as a racist because clearly YOU are not interested in carrying the dialogue forward. 

 

One carries the dialogue forward when one listens to the other side and concedes a point.  I don't argue that blacks have suffered more.  I argue that BOTH have suffered and elements of BOTH are guilty.

 

You on the other hand scream about the unique suffering of the Indian.  You concede NOTHING about how much the PPP has hurt blacks, including the use of VIOLENCE when they have seen fit.  David Hinds and Eric Phillips can tell you all about death threats that they have received from PPP connected folks because they advocate for Afro Guyanese.  The fact that they are alive today is because they are internationally connected people.  Sadly Crum Ewing wasn't.

 

 

The ONLY political death for the year was a coalition supporter, yet you scream of the Indian. You are very much a ROARite!

 

 

 

 

FM

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