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skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Chief
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

FM
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VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Thanks VVP. Egypt is not that dangerous however this is the best time to visit when the tourists are not flocking and the tour guides will do everything to make you comfortable.

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

Chief
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

FM
Chief posted:
VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Thanks VVP. Egypt is not that dangerous however this is the best time to visit when the tourists are not flocking and the tour guides will do everything to make you comfortable.

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

 They are such honorable and saintly Muslims even though they have women completely anonymized and close to a million workers  living in what are modern slave labor camps.
FM
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Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Stormborn, why do you denigrate Muslims so much?  I have seen some of your comments about Muslims on this board and I am surprised that they come from someone with such intellect.  Not all Muslims are terrorists.  Plus even if you are an atheist you are not supposed to judge anybody's religion.

FM
VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Stormborn, why do you denigrate Muslims so much?  I have seen some of your comments about Muslims on this board and I am surprised that they come from someone with such intellect.  Not all Muslims are terrorists.  Plus even if you are an atheist you are not supposed to judge anybody's religion.

I am not denigrating them. He said there is no compulsion to religion I am just reminding him that consequently there is no compulsion to the ritual, especially one as silly as this.  

I never said all Muslims are terrorists. 

I am an atheist as he is a Muslim because we have both judged and concluded on a position. I am hoping of course his decision is rational.

 

FM
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Chief
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

FM
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Chief posted:
VVP posted:

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

..... Egypt is not that dangerous ...

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

What's your "danger" benchmark, Iraq, Afgan, Chicago or PNC Guyana?  Then you might be correct!

Banna, your head stuck in those Wahab rear-end or the Sahara desert.  Saudi Wahab lifestyle in the scourge of the earth today.  I was even in Jordan and they despise Saudis, prefer they stay in their wahab kingdom!!

FM
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

Chief
Chief posted:

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.  

Chiefsta, unfortunately the Ummah lost sight of the following verse and we cannot put that burden on Stormy or any other before we rightfully put it on those within our Ummah who are guilty of it. 

ŲˆŲŽØ§ØđŲ’ØŠŲŽØĩŲŲ…ŲŲˆØ§Ų’ ØĻŲØ­ŲŽØĻŲ’Ų„Ų اŲ„Ų„Ų‘Ų‡Ų ØŽŲŽŲ…ŲŲŠØđŲ‹Ø§ ŲˆŲŽŲ„اŲŽ ØŠŲŽŲŲŽØąŲ‘ŲŽŲ‚ŲŲˆØ§Ų’ ŲˆŲŽØ§Ø°Ų’ŲƒŲØąŲŲˆØ§Ų’ Ų†ŲØđŲ’Ų…ŲŽØĐŲŽ اŲ„Ų„Ų‘Ų‡Ų ØđŲŽŲ„ŲŽŲŠŲ’ŲƒŲŲ…Ų’ ØĨŲØ°Ų’ ŲƒŲŲ†ØŠŲŲ…Ų’ ØĢŲŽØđŲ’ØŊŲŽØ§ØĄ ŲŲŽØĢŲŽŲ„Ų‘ŲŽŲŲŽ ØĻŲŽŲŠŲ’Ų†ŲŽ Ų‚ŲŲ„ŲŲˆØĻŲŲƒŲŲ…Ų’ ŲŲŽØĢŲŽØĩŲ’ØĻŲŽØ­Ų’ØŠŲŲ… ØĻŲŲ†ŲØđŲ’Ų…ŲŽØŠŲŲ‡Ų ØĨŲØŪŲ’ŲˆŲŽØ§Ų†Ų‹Ø§ ŲˆŲŽŲƒŲŲ†ØŠŲŲ…Ų’ ØđŲŽŲ„ŲŽŲ‰ŲŽ ØīŲŽŲŲŽØ§ Ø­ŲŲŲ’ØąŲŽØĐŲ Ų…Ų‘ŲŲ†ŲŽ اŲ„Ų†Ų‘ŲŽØ§ØąŲ ŲŲŽØĢŲŽŲ†Ų‚ŲŽØ°ŲŽŲƒŲŲ… Ų…Ų‘ŲŲ†Ų’Ų‡ŲŽØ§ ŲƒŲŽØ°ŲŽŲ„ŲŲƒŲŽ ŲŠŲØĻŲŽŲŠŲ‘ŲŲ†Ų اŲ„Ų„Ų‘Ų‡Ų Ų„ŲŽŲƒŲŲ…Ų’ ØĒŲŠŲŽØ§ØŠŲŲ‡Ų Ų„ŲŽØđŲŽŲ„Ų‘ŲŽŲƒŲŲ…Ų’ ØŠŲŽŲ‡Ų’ØŠŲŽØŊŲŲˆŲ†ŲŽ

FM
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Chief posted:

Kaz,

I maintain that no reform is needed in Islam. The message was for then, now and until the end of time!

Are some Muslims idiots and bad people, of course. IN Every group of people YOU WILL FIND THAT.

I agree that Islam as taught by the Qur'an does not need reform. However, the Muslim world need reform. A lot of it. Until Muslims make that step, we and the religion will continue to be in our current dire position. I am a Muslim and I am sick and tired of the everyday horrible acts of my Muslim compatriots. I can only imagine how non-Muslims feel. 

FM
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

FM
Chief posted:

Kaz,

I maintain that no reform is needed in Islam. The message was for then, now and until the end of time!

Are some Muslims idiots and bad people, of course. IN Every group of people YOU WILL FIND THAT.

You do not seem to get it. The evil is done in the name of Islam and supposedly for Muslims. Today women and children were slaughtered by car bombs in Iraq. What for? What basis in Islam can be found for this Muslim on Muslim crime? 

These are not isolated cases of bad people but an entire region of bad people turning the soil into dust with fighting. My sister told me Aleppo was one of the most beautiful old world places she visited.  That was not 10 years ago. I will never see it nor would the rest of the world. I am told it is no more...gone...dust.

You sitting on your hands saying all is well is bull crap. You even have the nerve to comment that the migrants to europe was a good thing...spreading Islam. Well, that does not seem to be going well as no one want them and it will break europe apart.

FM
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Stormborn posted:

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Hello D2

Where is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Why the West keep supporting Military Juntas like Sisi in Egypt? Don't you think a few thousands from the 95 million Egyptians will become freedom Fighters, sorry according to you and the others Terrorists.

Muslims like myself enhance the western societies we live in because we are honest and give honest answers.

Chief
VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Women should not drive. It is liberation to follow their husband's around as he visits his wimen dem. A guy who lived in Dubai told me dat.

S
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

Sorry bro, I had to put this one in. Lucifer waiting for the Madhi. For the time being, he making sure HIS persecution of HIS faithfuls is blamed on the infidels. Who just happens 2b Christians and Jews. I believe one of the Hadiths seys dat.

S
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Hello D2

Where is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Why the West keep supporting Military Juntas like Sisi in Egypt? Don't you think a few thousands from the 95 million Egyptians will become freedom Fighters, sorry according to you and the others Terrorists.

Muslims like myself enhance the western societies we live in because we are honest and give honest answers.

That is just another facile excuse. Remember Tariq Azise on the evening shows hinding that they did and Saddam with his sword in hand brandishing it and shouting taunts? Under the terms of the UN agreement they US had a right to go in. They broke the no fly zone and were bombing the Kurd...and Saddam was downright offensive. But all of this was an excuse.

A democracy was in place. The US turned over all the wells. They did not pay for any of the build out of roads and other infrastructure. They had an intact government and the centuries old shia/ sunni rivalry sent the country into disaster.

Again the US is the only one left to make it whole and piece by piece they are doing it all over again. Meanwhile the senseless killings of innocents continue. I am completely at peace stating it is because there is a lack of authoritative Islam from the ulema. Until they seriously get together and began to shape firm guidelines in Islam and expropriating   the obscene belief that paradise awaits those who murder innocents

Sisi is the face of abhorrent militant rulers in Islam. He was not the US first choice. They stayed away and let the people choose. They did, the brotherhood and what did those religious freaks began to do? Well Sisi was what it took to stop Egypt being another Syria.

FM
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When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day. This religion needs to grow up like Christianity and allow the State to be above religion and not vice versa. Europe disposed of all its kings and Queens and puts people's power first. Islam needs reformation or else the bloodshed and backwardness will never seized. Oil is becoming like sugar... it's possible we might witness in our lifetime oil producing nations begging for preferential market in Europe and North America.

 

Welcome back Chief. I believe Nehru missed you.

Billy Ram Balgobin
seignet posted:

Sorry bro, I had to put this one in. Lucifer waiting for the Madhi. For the time being, he making sure HIS persecution of HIS faithfuls is blamed on the infidels. Who just happens 2b Christians and Jews. I believe one of the Hadiths seys dat.

Stop listening to ISIS 

When dem boys stormed the Kaaba in 1979 even the Suadis were confused , they thought is was the real Mahdi.

 

Chief
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day. This religion needs to grow up like Christianity and allow the State to be above religion and not vice versa. Europe disposed of all its kings and Queens and puts people's power first. Islam needs reformation or else the bloodshed and backwardness will never seized. Oil is becoming like sugar... it's possible we might witness in our lifetime oil producing nations begging for preferential market in Europe and North America.

 

Welcome back Chief. I believe Nehru missed you.

Hey Billy how you doing?

Nehru and me are friends until we start cussing out each other.

Chief
Chief posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day. This religion needs to grow up like Christianity and allow the State to be above religion and not vice versa. Europe disposed of all its kings and Queens and puts people's power first. Islam needs reformation or else the bloodshed and backwardness will never seized. Oil is becoming like sugar... it's possible we might witness in our lifetime oil producing nations begging for preferential market in Europe and North America.

 

Welcome back Chief. I believe Nehru missed you.

Hey Billy how you doing?

Nehru and me are friends until we start cussing out each other.

I doing fine man. I needed your help the other day but you were not around. A member of a NON-PROPHET organization called "Atheist" wanted to put a fatwah on me.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Hello D2

Where is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Why the West keep supporting Military Juntas like Sisi in Egypt? Don't you think a few thousands from the 95 million Egyptians will become freedom Fighters, sorry according to you and the others Terrorists.

Muslims like myself enhance the western societies we live in because we are honest and give honest answers.

That is just another facile excuse. Remember Tariq Azise on the evening shows hinding that they did and Saddam with his sword in hand brandishing it and shouting taunts? Under the terms of the UN agreement they US had a right to go in. They broke the no fly zone and were bombing the Kurd...and Saddam was downright offensive. But all of this was an excuse.

 

This must be the stupidest thing ever posted here. 

 

 

 

 

AJ
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

Completely wrong.  There was no sunni/shia divide up to the 1980's. Please show where such a divide existed in the 19th and 20th century.  

 

Both you and Obama got it wrong.

AJ
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

AJ

Chief, the "Islam" I saw in India makes you think that they would be apostates. The rigor of Islam is unwavering and that is what non-Muslims see as an uncompromising phenomenon. It is why you get the type of commentary from Stormy and base. I can understand what you see in the religion of Islam, and it is a position Ii defend, but step out of the paths you went in those two countries and you'll be hit with a different reality.

Kari
Chief posted:

Kaz,

I maintain that no reform is needed in Islam. The message was for then, now and until the end of time!

Are some Muslims idiots and bad people, of course. IN Every group of people YOU WILL FIND THAT.

Funny thing is that I know that you will NEVER live in Saudi Arabia, a nation which justifies its laws and practices by how it interprets Islam.

 

Saudi Arabia has been in bed with the corporate elites of the USA so don't make yourself look stupid by pretending as if the West has targeted Islam.  If it had Saudi would be at logger heads with the USA.  Instead its one of their strongest Middle Eastern allies.

FM
caribny posted:
Chief posted:

Kaz,

I maintain that no reform is needed in Islam. The message was for then, now and until the end of time!

Are some Muslims idiots and bad people, of course. IN Every group of people YOU WILL FIND THAT.

Funny thing is that I know that you will NEVER live in Saudi Arabia, a nation which justifies its laws and practices by how it interprets Islam.

 

Saudi Arabia has been in bed with the corporate elites of the USA so don't make yourself look stupid by pretending as if the West has targeted Islam.  If it had Saudi would be at logger heads with the USA.  Instead its one of their strongest Middle Eastern allies.

caribny, Kaz is making a distinction between the religion and the bad people who inhabit it. Don't miss that point.

Kari
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caribny, Kaz is making a distinction between the religion and the bad people who inhabit it. Don't miss that point.

And that has been my point, though you had mental breakdowns every time I mention it.

Forces, which purport to represent Islam, distort the interpretation of the religion, and get confused kids to commit vile acts.

There is also no excuse for the behavior of the Saudi gov't when we see that they justify those acts by their interpretation of Islam.

When the decent majority of Islam remove the ability of these elements to "represent" Islam then we move to a solution of the problem, which can only be solved by Islam.

FM
caribny posted:
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caribny, Kaz is making a distinction between the religion and the bad people who inhabit it. Don't miss that point.

 

When the decent majority of Islam remove the ability of these elements to "represent" Islam then we move to a solution of the problem, which can only be solved by Islam.

Did Islam create the mess in Iraq, Libya, or Syria?  You have nailed it with your other points, but think that all of the solutions is within Islam which obviously is not.

The issue we face today is not with Islam itself, but with the political system which leads to socio-economic issues.  

Once you disconnect the two, you will see the real problems.

We are all over ISIS about their brutality, but totally ignore the same from the house of Saud (which you did point out).  We even line up to supply them with more weapons to cause more mayhem.

We need to stop the hypocrisy. 

AJ
caribny posted:
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caribny, Kaz is making a distinction between the religion and the bad people who inhabit it. Don't miss that point.

And that has been my point, though you had mental breakdowns every time I mention it.

Forces, which purport to represent Islam, distort the interpretation of the religion, and get confused kids to commit vile acts.

There is also no excuse for the behavior of the Saudi gov't when we see that they justify those acts by their interpretation of Islam.

When the decent majority of Islam remove the ability of these elements to "represent" Islam then we move to a solution of the problem, which can only be solved by Islam.

You have not made any point other than decent Muslims a re responsible for the acts of the despicable ones. When are you going to get off this ridiculous notion of yours. And stop telling people what your point is when we know it and your mental breakdown comment on your point shows your shallow thinking.

 

Kari
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Hello D2

Where is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Why the West keep supporting Military Juntas like Sisi in Egypt? Don't you think a few thousands from the 95 million Egyptians will become freedom Fighters, sorry according to you and the others Terrorists.

Muslims like myself enhance the western societies we live in because we are honest and give honest answers.

That is just another facile excuse. Remember Tariq Azise on the evening shows hinding that they did and Saddam with his sword in hand brandishing it and shouting taunts? Under the terms of the UN agreement they US had a right to go in. They broke the no fly zone and were bombing the Kurd...and Saddam was downright offensive. But all of this was an excuse.

 

This must be the stupidest thing ever posted here. 

 

 

 

 

Not even examining the merit of the statement I would say it could not be matched by your incomparable statement that the US destroyed the WTC themselves just to blame Muslims! You set the bar too high for me to even match it for stupidity!

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

Egypt was a dictatorship most of its existence. The brotherhood was the first fairly voted in group but immediately they began their own pogrom. The lie that western took fanatics down is excusable because you are one of them. Mohammed Morsi selected Sisi thinking he was one of them given he burquaized his wife. When the people revolted Sisi stepped in. That was all Egyptian natural unfolding of the usual internal power struggle that gravitates to dictatorship.

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

Completely wrong.  There was no sunni/shia divide up to the 1980's. Please show where such a divide existed in the 19th and 20th century.  

 Both you and Obama got it wrong.

That there are sunnis and shia points to a need to define something...a divide, the origin of which began with the murder of Ali.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

Completely wrong.  There was no sunni/shia divide up to the 1980's. Please show where such a divide existed in the 19th and 20th century.  

 Both you and Obama got it wrong.

That there are sunnis and shia points to a need to define something...a divide, the origin of which began with the murder of Ali.

Again you are showing your stupidity. What does that have to do with the current topic or my response.

 

AJ
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

Completely wrong.  There was no sunni/shia divide up to the 1980's. Please show where such a divide existed in the 19th and 20th century.  

 Both you and Obama got it wrong.

That there are sunnis and shia points to a need to define something...a divide, the origin of which began with the murder of Ali.

Again you are showing your stupidity. What does that have to do with the current topic or my response.

 

You are denying history and calling me stupid? That is a fanatical Muslim for you. You invent useless denial strategy to ignore facts. Iraq disintegrated because Shia took revenge on the Sunnis by locking them out of the government. That is an ancient schism being acted out with the entire ummah as its canvas.

You answer was a more a denial shrouded in a non answer. It contained no factual support. It was just the same bunch of useless nonsense as when we argued about the WTC.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

Egypt was a dictatorship most of its existence. The brotherhood was the first fairly voted in group but immediately they began their own pogrom. The lie that western took fanatics down is excusable because you are one of them. Mohammed Morsi selected Sisi thinking he was one of them given he burquaized his wife. When the people revolted Sisi stepped in. That was all Egyptian natural unfolding of the usual internal power struggle that gravitates to dictatorship.

Completely idiotic.  

 

AJ
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

Completely wrong.  There was no sunni/shia divide up to the 1980's. Please show where such a divide existed in the 19th and 20th century.  

 Both you and Obama got it wrong.

That there are sunnis and shia points to a need to define something...a divide, the origin of which began with the murder of Ali.

Again you are showing your stupidity. What does that have to do with the current topic or my response.

 

You are denying history and calling me stupid? That is a fanatical Muslim for you. You invent useless denial strategy to ignore facts. Iraq disintegrated because Shia took revenge on the Sunnis by locking them out of the government. That is an ancient schism being acted out with the entire ummah as its canvas.

 

More bull, where you totally ignore the fact that American Viceroy Paul Bremer  fired the entire Army and other officials to installed his  new puppets

Is this an issue of religion or bad politics that has come back to haunt the world.

 

 

AJ
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

Egypt was a dictatorship most of its existence. The brotherhood was the first fairly voted in group but immediately they began their own pogrom. The lie that western took fanatics down is excusable because you are one of them. Mohammed Morsi selected Sisi thinking he was one of them given he burquaized his wife. When the people revolted Sisi stepped in. That was all Egyptian natural unfolding of the usual internal power struggle that gravitates to dictatorship.

Completely idiotic.  

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

Completely wrong.  There was no sunni/shia divide up to the 1980's. Please show where such a divide existed in the 19th and 20th century.  

 Both you and Obama got it wrong.

That there are sunnis and shia points to a need to define something...a divide, the origin of which began with the murder of Ali.

Again you are showing your stupidity. What does that have to do with the current topic or my response.

 

You are denying history and calling me stupid? That is a fanatical Muslim for you. You invent useless denial strategy to ignore facts. Iraq disintegrated because Shia took revenge on the Sunnis by locking them out of the government. That is an ancient schism being acted out with the entire ummah as its canvas.

 

More bull, where you totally ignore the fact that American Viceroy Paul Bremer  fired the entire Army and other officials to installed his  new puppets

Is this an issue of religion or bad politics that has come back to haunt the world.

 

 

Absolutely irrelevant. If they had a mind for justice...these bathists who were the oppressors of the Shia...they reflect on their sins and support a new country. The fight to build the state after decades of cruel dictatorship was not to take to the streets murdering their kinsmen like jackals. Bremer political mistake did not imply social mayhem. These fellows do not know better, nothing in their reality predicated a difference...especially not religion. From where I stand there is little good in religion as expressed here.

FM
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Abu Jihad posted:
 

Did Islam create the mess in Iraq, Libya, or Syria?  

Yes! 

The conflicts are part of the endless war of the Shias and the Sunnis, and the attempts by the primitive Wahhabis to dominate them all. 

The Saudis have poured billions to propagate a very conservative interpretation of Islam.  We see this even in the Caribbean where many Muslim women have changed the way that they dress.

Muslims cannot pretend that the Middle East confusion isn't partially due to defects within their religion.  After all religion is used as an excuse by many to justify their acts, and they continue to engage in these acts.

FM
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Abu Jihad posted:
 

More bull, where you totally ignore the fact that American Viceroy Paul Bremer  fired the entire Army and other officials to installed his  new puppets

Is this an issue of religion or bad politics that has come back to haunt the world.

 

 

Well the US is not involved in Iraq, but we haven't seen mature discussions among the various religious factions to resolve their problems.  Instead we see ISIS, which spends most of its time slaughtering other Muslims.

FM
caribny posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
 

More bull, where you totally ignore the fact that American Viceroy Paul Bremer  fired the entire Army and other officials to installed his  new puppets

Is this an issue of religion or bad politics that has come back to haunt the world.

 

 

Well the US is not involved in Iraq, but we haven't seen mature discussions among the various religious factions to resolve their problems.  Instead we see ISIS, which spends most of its time slaughtering other Muslims.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!

 

TODAY THE US IS FIGHTING A WAR IN IRAQ AS WE SPEAK.

AJ
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

Egypt was a dictatorship most of its existence. The brotherhood was the first fairly voted in group but immediately they began their own pogrom. The lie that western took fanatics down is excusable because you are one of them. Mohammed Morsi selected Sisi thinking he was one of them given he burquaized his wife. When the people revolted Sisi stepped in. That was all Egyptian natural unfolding of the usual internal power struggle that gravitates to dictatorship.

Completely idiotic.  

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

Quite an intellectual .......

AJ
caribny posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
 

Did Islam create the mess in Iraq, Libya, or Syria?  

Yes! 

The conflicts are part of the endless war of the Shias and the Sunnis, and the attempts by the primitive Wahhabis to dominate them all. 

The Saudis have poured billions to propagate a very conservative interpretation of Islam.  We see this even in the Caribbean where many Muslim women have changed the way that they dress.

Muslims cannot pretend that the Middle East confusion isn't partially due to defects within their religion.  After all religion is used as an excuse by many to justify their acts, and they continue to engage in these acts.

As originally stated, point me in the direction of such endless war over the past 200 years.

AJ

Caribny and Stormy,Colin Powell famously quoted someone "if you break it, you own it". The current Mid-East implosion and its effects on the rest of the world started with the US's support for the Shah of Iran who got into power in a coup d'etat. The Ayatollah came to power in Iran and the US used the Iraqis as a proxy. At the end of the Iran-Iraq war the Saudis were belligerent towards Saddam, who complained in the Gulf Cooperation Council with the US as observer status. Ignored, Saddam went into Kuwait, and the US put troops in the holy land to Osama bin Laden's dismay. 9/11 followed and then the straw that broke the camel's back - Bush's invasion of Iraq. Paul Bremmer's de-baathification move had enormous impact in opening old wounds that Saddam kept a lid on. The Arab spring came after the chaos in Iraq and Abu is right to point out that religious differences existed centuries ago. The question we have to ask is not about religion but the politics of it. The religion in all its troubling aspects will continue. We have to solve the politics and the military is one act in that. The Iraqis with US help is about to assault Mosul and isolate Raqqah. I hope before Obama leaves office IS is history - like Osama bin Laden. There will still be remnants of Al Qaeda nd IS but they will be more manageable.

Kari

baseman, you completely ignored my point about religious schisms existing for centuries and will continue to exist. I also mentioned the troubling aspects of the religion.

Previously I mentioned that it is disingenuous to state that the cause of IS is that all Muslims tolerate them - caribny's fool-hardy point.

Just like Guyana it all starts with getting the politics right. Solve that and the other things fall in place. Today's problems can be traced to the Iran of the 70s. Saddam's invasion of Kuwait got Al Qaeda going. The invasion of Iraq and the de-baathification got IS started. With all these political acts the religion still had the schisms it has today and will continue to have.

Like an addict you have to recognize the problem. Saying Islam is the problem will not solve anything. Is there a problem with Islam as its practiced in some places? You bet! Is it the same for other religions? Certainly! The only difference is that the Islam problems has this political layer. Oil is a differentiator in the proxy wars between Western Democracies and Soviet Communism.

Kari
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

Egypt was a dictatorship most of its existence. The brotherhood was the first fairly voted in group but immediately they began their own pogrom. The lie that western took fanatics down is excusable because you are one of them. Mohammed Morsi selected Sisi thinking he was one of them given he burquaized his wife. When the people revolted Sisi stepped in. That was all Egyptian natural unfolding of the usual internal power struggle that gravitates to dictatorship.

Completely idiotic.  

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

I get suspended for "Wasted Sperm" and you continue calling people "Dick Heads" without any warnings? I see the politics of this BB. PNC good; PPP bad.

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
caribny posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
 

More bull, where you totally ignore the fact that American Viceroy Paul Bremer  fired the entire Army and other officials to installed his  new puppets

Is this an issue of religion or bad politics that has come back to haunt the world.

 

 

Well the US is not involved in Iraq, but we haven't seen mature discussions among the various religious factions to resolve their problems.  Instead we see ISIS, which spends most of its time slaughtering other Muslims.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!

 

TODAY THE US IS FIGHTING A WAR IN IRAQ AS WE SPEAK.

Who are most of the people killing Muslims in Iraq.  OTHER MUSLIMS! The USA is fighting ISIS.  ISIS is slaughtering those Muslims who they think aren't Muslim enough.

So blame Muslims because if there wasn't this problem among Muslims others wouldn't intervene!

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Only a jacka$$ will say something like that.  Do you have any facts to support such a stupid statement.

 

Did the people of Egypt not support democracy only to be cut down by the Western backed military.

Egypt was a dictatorship most of its existence. The brotherhood was the first fairly voted in group but immediately they began their own pogrom. The lie that western took fanatics down is excusable because you are one of them. Mohammed Morsi selected Sisi thinking he was one of them given he burquaized his wife. When the people revolted Sisi stepped in. That was all Egyptian natural unfolding of the usual internal power struggle that gravitates to dictatorship.

Completely idiotic.  

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

Quite an intellectual .......

Indeed...not a fanatic who is bound by delusions that the words of a great book guides me. I am of the western cannon...no rigid ideology frames my thinking.

FM
Kari posted:

Caribny and Stormy,Colin Powell famously quoted someone "if you break it, you own it". The current Mid-East implosion and its effects on the rest of the world started with the US's support for the Shah of Iran who got into power in a coup d'etat. The Ayatollah came to power in Iran and the US used the Iraqis as a proxy. At the end of the Iran-Iraq war the Saudis were belligerent towards Saddam, who complained in the Gulf Cooperation Council with the US as observer status. Ignored, Saddam went into Kuwait, and the US put troops in the holy land to Osama bin Laden's dismay. 9/11 followed and then the straw that broke the camel's back - Bush's invasion of Iraq. Paul Bremmer's de-baathification move had enormous impact in opening old wounds that Saddam kept a lid on. The Arab spring came after the chaos in Iraq and Abu is right to point out that religious differences existed centuries ago. The question we have to ask is not about religion but the politics of it. The religion in all its troubling aspects will continue. We have to solve the politics and the military is one act in that. The Iraqis with US help is about to assault Mosul and isolate Raqqah. I hope before Obama leaves office IS is history - like Osama bin Laden. There will still be remnants of Al Qaeda nd IS but they will be more manageable.

What was Powell talking about if not American will to go to war win with massive force that war and get america out in one piece? Iraq was broken already and america cannot fix that. It is for the people themselves to fix it. America tried to give than that chance.

Saddam had already killed some 300 thousand. He had practically tied the hands and foot of the shia for decades. He just got trounced in a war invading  Kuwait, a nation he owed money to and felt if he absorb them he will to erase the debt. The US warned him not to do it, he went, he destroyed the place setting some 200 oil wells a fire ...even one in the gulf. The US went in trashed his behind all the way to the gates of Bhagdad. He then signed a treaty with firm guidelines to save his ass and maintain his regime.

He broke everyone over the subsequent years...not permitting free inspection of his chemical warfare sights...always insinuating he can again take on the US...all his jets were in Iran where they were hidden. He attacked the the Kurds; they were dying by the thousands in the mountains and plastered on our screens at Christmas time. Chaney asked the president to establish a no fly zone, and began air drops to the kurds and so began the Kurds in constituting their own space in Iraq. 

 

Saddam broke that no fly zone many times. Whatever was the source of the paranoia that caused Bush to believe that he had weapons of mass destruction is irrelevant. One can only take so many chances. The precautionary principle became a grating theme for them. America began to debate pre emptive wars...just wars etc. After all Saddam did gas the Kurds. That was the use of a mass destruction weapon. That he did not have more was his ill luck. That he made the US believe that was what caused the destruction of his regime. Bush did not break Iraq. It was a broken place hardly possible to reconstitute from the pieces.

 

Digging back into pre history to constitute a rationale for what is going on there is not reasonable. Why stop there? Did not the western powers create all of those states artificially from among itinerant Bedouin tribes living in a no man's land they called Jazirat al Arab and who lived in a natural state with their own clan laws and squabbling over water holes and little green spaces in endless internecine struggles? Why should a non-state like Osama displeasure at his King asking the US to come in and prevent Iraq from overrunning Saudi? He can be pissed all he want he had no standing to make such demands. The very idea that kufars cannot visit this holy place is offensive to me.

What Saddam kept the lid on was a the ancient tribalism and religious sectarianism that could have been resolved when they had the right to choose and determine freely through negotiation. What sense does it make that we need tyrants in the world to maintain peace? Sensible people are to forge their own path according to their own traditions as long as it does not mean murdering others en mass those not like them. Then some one has to stand up for them. Who will stand for the Yazidi, the Copts and the ancient Assyrian tribal Christians being slaughtered?  Well it falls to the US again and that is why the people here are tired of wars. But as long as there are barbarians claiming absolute knowledge who are determined to interpret what is right for others or they kill them like rats then someone has to stop them.

 

The next US administration will put boots on the ground again. They will have to clear a space in Lybia or Syria to be a beach head of safety for the endless mass of people streaming into Europe. If that is not stop then what do you think will happen? Those people will eventually begin go cannibalize their hosts with car bombs and suicide bombs. Europe has to create a safe haven for them and the US and Nato will be engaged oncemore on the ground.

FM
skeldon_man posted:

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

I get suspended for "Wasted Sperm" and you continue calling people "Dick Heads" without any warnings? I see the politics of this BB. PNC good; PPP bad.

I have no inhibition to call him a dick head. That fellow insists the US blew up the Trade Towers to get into the war and rob muslims of their oil.  He is now claiming that ISIS was produced by the US and not the reality that Sunnis and Shia cannot get along and as soon as the US left...they went after each other. He claims there was no long standing struggle between the two groups when it existed since Ali. Yes...only something with out a brain can do that...ie a dick head.

FM
baseman posted:

We shouldn't have ousted Sadaam!!  That was a strategic blunder!!

Hind sight is exactly that, looking at your backsides. Saddam was a butcher, a mad butcher and what he was doing the the Swamp Arabs, the Kurds was untenable. We are faced with the same dilemma with ISIS. No one wants to go in because they do not want to do what conquering armies has to do to win...occupy space. Airstrikes combined with fighting between factions on the ground will simply destroy the entire region. It is either you go in and try to constitute some order or stay out and watch the genocide and Europe will have to dump refuges into the desert because Europe cannot take in all that wants to come. Nations are natrions only if they can maintain some semblance of internal order. Saddam needed to die. Maybe the new realty of not holding space but containing the factions in it and their citizens as well  means letting the feuding factions kill each other to the point of extinction and their citizens as well. You decide.

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:

We shouldn't have ousted Sadaam!!  That was a strategic blunder!!

Hind sight is exactly that, looking at your backsides.

The French, all Europe, except the UK, the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, Guyana, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Trump and baseman said that back then!!  I saw many in the US held the position that Iran will rise without their natural check-mate and it will be a strategic blunder!!

So now you pon Bush side?  I think he was misled by Powell, Rice, Gates and they special oil interest and the Likud!!

Talk about looking with your rear end, but then again, we talking Stormin' D2!!!

baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:

We shouldn't have ousted Sadaam!!  That was a strategic blunder!!

Hind sight is exactly that, looking at your backsides.

The French, all Europe, except the UK, the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, Guyana, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Trump and baseman said that back then!!  I saw many in the US held the position that Iran will rise without their natural check-mate and it will be a strategic blunder!!

So now you pon Bush side?  I think he was misled by Powell, Rice, Gates and they special oil interest and the Likud!!

Talk about looking with your rear end, but then again, we talking Stormin' D2!!!

I was against the first one. I said let the wicked Kuwaitis get consumed.

I was not against the second. I felt is was time for Saddam  to meet his maker. Bonus and I argued the nature of pre emptive war, just wars etc right here. He felt we should not go in

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:

We shouldn't have ousted Sadaam!!  That was a strategic blunder!!

Hind sight is exactly that, looking at your backsides.

The French, all Europe, except the UK, the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, Guyana, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Trump and baseman said that back then!!  I saw many in the US held the position that Iran will rise without their natural check-mate and it will be a strategic blunder!!

So now you pon Bush side?  I think he was misled by Powell, Rice, Gates and they special oil interest and the Likud!!

Talk about looking with your rear end, but then again, we talking Stormin' D2!!!

baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:

We shouldn't have ousted Sadaam!!  That was a strategic blunder!!

Hind sight is exactly that, looking at your backsides.

The French, all Europe, except the UK, the Russians, the Chinese, the Indians, Guyana, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Trump and baseman said that back then!!  I saw many in the US held the position that Iran will rise without their natural check-mate and it will be a strategic blunder!!

So now you pon Bush side?  I think he was misled by Powell, Rice, Gates and they special oil interest and the Likud!!

Talk about looking with your rear end, but then again, we talking Stormin' D2!!!

I was against the first one. I said let the wicked Kuwaitis get consumed.

I was not against the second. I felt is was time for Saddam  to meet his maker. Bonus and I argued the nature of pre emptive war, just wars etc right here. He felt we should not go in

Then your principles are tangled up.  In 1990 Iraq invaded a sovereign nation in violation of all international law and norms.  Whether the Kuwaitis were "wicked" or not, was not up for discussion.  The second time, we invaded on a WAG or, at best, a very stretched SWAG.

Now, if "wickedness" was the benchmark for invasion, then I take it you would have supported a US or Venezuelan invasion of Guyana under the wicked, diabolic and murderous PNC regime!!

Now to today, then you should agree with Trump for taking some "pre-emptive" measures to protect the homeland against Islamic extremist.  Instead, you call him a racist.

Tell us then, exactly where do you actually belong, leaving out [for now], the mental asylum!!

My principles are arrow straight. Saddam violated the terms of his treaty for the cessation of war. I am not responsible for the guises used to enter the world. The administration ought to have follow the process before them. The war was justified.

You are also arguing like a cow. If venezuela invade they would be using spurious reasons concocted on rumors. They did sign an agreement.

I am not against taking on ISIS. I noted here Obama has an obligation to go in and spare europe and the rest of the world the misery of a collapsed Syria. He also owe it to the Christians and the ruin of heritage sites by those beasts.  Fortunately, Trump will not be our president. I noted Hillary will have to put boots on the ground. I believe she will.

Trump is a bigot for reasons he alone is guilty of...calling Hispanic rapists etc throwing our black kids from his meetings, not disavowing the KKK but truing to prevaricate as he usually does so he can switch back and say he was not doing that.

Again please do not argue like a cow.

FM
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day.

And this is the root of the problem.  What kept Muslims from killing each other were secular dictators like Saddam and Gaddafi.  Remove them and the blood thirst of centuries resumes.

THAT is what Powell meant when he said that "if you break it, you fix it".

The only reason why Obama still has a presence in Iraq and Afghanistan is because misbehaving Muslim fanatics.  Unlike the Bush clan, he has no interest in unilaterally walking into that bees' nest.

You see when Africans slaughter each other, it doesn't impact the rest of the world, unless those Africans are Muslim fanatics (Boko Haram).  So they can be ignored.  Not so the Middle East as those problems spill every where, so the rest of us CANNOT ignore this.

When decent Muslims remove the fanatics from being able to use this Judeo/Christian/Islam religion, by conservative interpretations of 3 books, all written centuries ago, then the will restore the image of Islam to what it was 700 years ago.

FM
Stormborn posted:
 I noted here Obama has an obligation to go in and spare europe

Why does the USA have this obligation. In fact our intervention into this powder keg has made what is already a bad situation (Sunni vs. Shia, and Bedouin vs. urban) conflicts even worse.

We ought to ignore these people much as we ignore South Sudan.  In fact the latter presents a much greater humanitarian disaster as there isn't even an infrastructure that allows humanitarian aid to be delivered.

FM
baseman posted:
 

Now to today, then you should agree with Trump for taking some "pre-emptive" measures to protect the homeland against Islamic extremist.  Instead, you call him a racist.

 

Trump is a bigot in the same way as you are, so this is why you cannot see him as a bigot.

Rubio, Cruz, and Paul Ryan do though, even though its only for hypocritical reasons, as when Trump began to display this behavior they ALL happily joined in.  Only now that the GOP fear that a man, over whome they have no control, will win the GOP, they pretend t care.

FACT.  Trump, Rubio, and Cruz are all horrendous candidates who will LOSE against Hillary in Nov.  This isn't because she is so good.  Its because they are ALL that bad.

Put any of the 3 in charge and the mad Muslim lunatic nest will be disturbed even more. When bees are angry, the best thing is to keep away, and let them sting each other.  The world is no longer energy scarce so really, why are we there?

FM
Stormborn posted:
. Saddam was a butcher, a mad butcher and what he was doing the the Swamp Arabs, the Kurds was untenable.

African dictators do no less, and at least Iraqis can get refugee status in Europe. South Sudanese, Eritreans, and others who suffer at the hands of African strong men cannot.

Let the world treat the Middle East as it does Africa.  Then the fanatics will have less of a recruiting tool to perpetuate their lunacy. 

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:

I was against the first one. I said let the wicked Kuwaitis get consumed.

I was not against the second. I felt is was time for Saddam  to meet his maker. Bonus and I argued the nature of pre emptive war, just wars etc right here. He felt we should not go in

Then your principles are tangled up.  In 1990 Iraq invaded a sovereign nation in violation of all international law and norms.  Whether the Kuwaitis were "wicked" or not, was not up for discussion.  The second time, we invaded on a WAG or, at best, a very stretched SWAG.

Now, if "wickedness" was the benchmark for invasion, then I take it you would have supported a US or Venezuelan invasion of Guyana under the wicked, diabolic and murderous PNC regime!!

Now to today, then you should agree with Trump for taking some "pre-emptive" measures to protect the homeland against Islamic extremist.  Instead, you call him a racist.

Tell us then, exactly where do you actually belong, leaving out [for now], the mental asylum!!

My principles are arrow straight. Saddam violated the terms of his treaty for the cessation of war. I am not responsible for the guises used to enter the world. The administration ought to have follow the process before them. The war was justified.

You are also arguing like a cow. If venezuela invade they would be using spurious reasons concocted on rumors. They did sign an agreement.

I am not against taking on ISIS. I noted here Obama has an obligation to go in and spare europe and the rest of the world the misery of a collapsed Syria. He also owe it to the Christians and the ruin of heritage sites by those beasts.  Fortunately, Trump will not be our president. I noted Hillary will have to put boots on the ground. I believe she will.

Trump is a bigot for reasons he alone is guilty of...calling Hispanic rapists etc throwing our black kids from his meetings, not disavowing the KKK but truing to prevaricate as he usually does so he can switch back and say he was not doing that.

Again please do not argue like a cow.

I figured as much.  Well now, stop cussing out Bush.  He is great.  And in time, you will come to the same conclusion about President Trump!!  You just lil slow, I get it!!

George bush and I seldom agreed but I like him. I do not agree with any thing trump says and he is a lout.

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:

My principles are arrow straight. Saddam violated the terms of his treaty for the cessation of war. I am not responsible for the guises used to enter the world. The administration ought to have follow the process before them. The war was justified.

You are also arguing like a cow. If venezuela invade they would be using spurious reasons concocted on rumors. They did sign an agreement.

I am not against taking on ISIS. I noted here Obama has an obligation to go in and spare europe and the rest of the world the misery of a collapsed Syria. He also owe it to the Christians and the ruin of heritage sites by those beasts.  Fortunately, Trump will not be our president. I noted Hillary will have to put boots on the ground. I believe she will.

Trump is a bigot for reasons he alone is guilty of...calling Hispanic rapists etc throwing our black kids from his meetings, not disavowing the KKK but truing to prevaricate as he usually does so he can switch back and say he was not doing that.

Again please do not argue like a cow.

I figured as much.  Well now, stop cussing out Bush.  He is great.  And in time, you will come to the same conclusion about President Trump!!  You just lil slow, I get it!!

George bush and I seldom agreed but I like him. I do not agree with any thing trump says and he is a lout.

Well stop calling him [Bush] names!!  As I said, you lil slow, understood.  You will come around to Trump presidency!!  And you will love it when he wack those Wahabs back to the stone ages!!

I do not know I called President Bush any names. I do not have any that stuck and the one I called him was Opie for country and a bit sloppy with speech.

You saying I am slow is a laugh.

Trump is not getting into office so I do not have to worry about what he will do. I would be happy if Hillary put boots on the ground.

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:

I figured as much.  Well now, stop cussing out Bush.  He is great.  And in time, you will come to the same conclusion about President Trump!!  You just lil slow, I get it!!

George bush and I seldom agreed but I like him. I do not agree with any thing trump says and he is a lout.

Well stop calling him [Bush] names!!  As I said, you lil slow, understood.  You will come around to Trump presidency!!  And you will love it when he wack those Wahabs back to the stone ages!!

I do not know I called President Bush any names. I do not have any that stuck and the one I called him was Opie for country and a bit sloppy with speech.

You saying I am slow is a laugh.

Trump is not getting into office so I do not have to worry about what he will do. I would be happy if Hillary put boots on the ground.

And that she will do, almost certain!!  She will not be a push-over like Obama!!  She will kick those Wahab asses as will Sanders, Trump and Cruz, even lil bai Rubio!!  I think even Jimmy carter will!!

Only Obama see this as a "JV" Team sporting around, but just chopping off heads and selling women into servitude!!

Dude Obama is fighting his way...he tied his hands by saying he will not start wars. He was wrong. He needed to be in this fight with boots but he sees himself more effective by doing it slowly through attrition. He is making progress. They are without much food, their oil routes blocked and  they have lost more than 50 percent of their footprint. However I think he needed to do more.

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:

Well stop calling him [Bush] names!!  As I said, you lil slow, understood.  You will come around to Trump presidency!!  And you will love it when he wack those Wahabs back to the stone ages!!

I do not know I called President Bush any names. I do not have any that stuck and the one I called him was Opie for country and a bit sloppy with speech.

You saying I am slow is a laugh.

Trump is not getting into office so I do not have to worry about what he will do. I would be happy if Hillary put boots on the ground.

And that she will do, almost certain!!  She will not be a push-over like Obama!!  She will kick those Wahab asses as will Sanders, Trump and Cruz, even lil bai Rubio!!  I think even Jimmy carter will!!

Only Obama see this as a "JV" Team sporting around, but just chopping off heads and selling women into servitude!!

Dude Obama is fighting his way.... He was wrong.... He sees himself more effective by doing it slowly through attrition......He is making progress. .... However "I think" [who D2??] he needed to do more.

I helped out our readers with a lil synopsis of your "argumentation" for Obama.  Hope you and them appreciate my efforts!!

Dude, that JV Team reference was well into his 2nd term.  Now, that some [sputtering] learning curve.  Even Sadaam's 30 yr old scuds were better ramping up!!

So, how long does he need, 28 years?  Then was Scalia correct?

SHIT, why did I say that!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama was a very good President. He stopped the hemorage of 1 million jobs a month to a positive gain of some 200k. His health care package is the first of its kind and with tweaking will work. None of those dufus will kill it because their constituents use it.

Scalia was a bigot like you as there is no existential measure of intelligence on race because there is no such thing as race.  There is also no consensus as to what constitute intelligence or whether it is a single thing or many "intelligences".

 

Government sponsored schools must show diversity because every index say diversity is best for the nation.

FM
baseman posted:
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
 

Now to today, then you should agree with Trump for taking some "pre-emptive" measures to protect the homeland against Islamic extremist.  Instead, you call him a racist.

 

Trump is a bigot in the same way as you are, so this is why you cannot see him as a bigot.

Don't argue with me, argue with these supporters!!  Maybe they are not as racist and myopic like you.  Maybe that is Guyana's problem!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGwF7D6MT_0

http://www.thepoliticalinsider...y-clinton-is-scared/

http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...ump-45-of-hispanics/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2KXtNrIDDI

Trump's supporters are racist just as you are.  The joke is that their hatred extends to people like you.

I think that you think that because some of them hate blacks, which you certainly do, that means that they aren't racist.

You can scream daily that blacks are violent, and useless and black communities i9n Guyana must be ignored.  You can scream that only Indians are productive people. You can rant that any Indo racism exists is justified because blacks started the racism.  THAT makes you a racist.

You cannot cite any claims made by me about Indians, except their attitude towards blacks.  You certainly CANNOT claim that I assert that the only racists in Guyana are Indian or that I claim that Indians haven't been victimized by racism from blacks. 

I suggest that you read comments made by some of the INDIANS here who fully understood my comments and reminded you that I was as harsh on blacks, and on the PNC as I have been on Indians and the PPP.

FM
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:

Contrast that to what you just said:

Storm said:
Dude Obama is fighting his way.... He was wrong.... He sees himself more effective by doing it slowly through attrition......He is making progress. .... However "I [D2] think"he needed to do more.

BTW "was" or "is".  Are you confused?

You rass "Cucu loco loco", as the Swiss kids would say!!

He "is" fighting an airwar. He "was" wrong not to plan  to put troops on the ground as well. The only one somewhat shell shocked from being constantly upbraided for nonsense is you.

FM
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baseman posted:
 

You would be surprised if you know me.  Baseman love Blacks who support the PPP and people like Trump!!

I love those Blacks in those videos.  They are great and heroic!!

No shock.  You love blacks who love white and Indo racists.

 Look how the PPP blacks are wailing that Jagdeo is only interested in PPP Indians, and that no one is protecting PPP blacks.

Not that I care because this should be the fate of House Negroes.

They are like the slaves who begged massa not to free them after the South lost the Civil War, and like those who wanted David Duke to be governor of Louisiana.

 

FM
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baseman posted:
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The Afros of the PPP will be very well defended by the PPP boys and girls. 

Kwame and Roger Luncheon, Jennifer and others beg to differ with you.

And if the PPP cared about its blacks, why did it scream "ethnic cleansing" when what the APNU/AFC was doing was "PPP cleansing".

 

Of course I am yet to hear that those dismissed were highly competent people with lots to offer.  Every one agrees that the agencies which they headed were rife with inefficiency, incompetence and corruption.

FM

In fact Kwame was taken in front of the courts, even during the PPP era.  Charged with child molestation, and with attempting to murder PNC supporters, using a vehicle as a weapon.

You seriously ought not to rush to the defense of a man, who was a Hammie Green henchman, before the PPP soup beckoned him.  You should hear the man singing praises of Burnham, who he screamed, did wonderous things for black people.

FM
Stormborn posted:
skeldon_man posted:

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

I get suspended for "Wasted Sperm" and you continue calling people "Dick Heads" without any warnings? I see the politics of this BB. PNC good; PPP bad.

I have no inhibition to call him a dick head. That fellow insists the US blew up the Trade Towers to get into the war and rob muslims of their oil.  He is now claiming that ISIS was produced by the US and not the reality that Sunnis and Shia cannot get along and as soon as the US left...they went after each other. He claims there was no long standing struggle between the two groups when it existed since Ali. Yes...only something with out a brain can do that...ie a dick head.

Your reference is in the plural so you are definitely not speaking to me (singular).  You are referencing all Muslims/Arabs

Your fascist rantings is worse than ISIS or whoever you think that you are above.  You need to hook up with Mr. Trump or possibly ISIS to realize your dreams of mass genocide.

 

AJ
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:

Contrast that to what you just said:

Storm said:
Dude Obama is fighting his way.... He was wrong.... He sees himself more effective by doing it slowly through attrition......He is making progress. .... However "I [D2] think"he needed to do more.

BTW "was" or "is".  Are you confused?

You rass "Cucu loco loco", as the Swiss kids would say!!

He "is" fighting an airwar. He "was" wrong not to plan  to put troops on the ground as well. The only one somewhat shell shocked from being constantly upbraided for nonsense is you.

Bai, quit when you are ahead.  You making a bigger fool of yourself each time to entangle with me!!!

You being daft and ignorant of english tenses does not mean I am a fool. "He is fighting an air war" is the present tense. This event was planned in previously with a decision made to not poor boots on the ground. That is explained in the past perfect : He "was" wrong not to plan for to put troops on the ground in conjunction with his air war". Check with your primary care physician to see if you are having an onset of premature senility.

FM
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
skeldon_man posted:

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

I get suspended for "Wasted Sperm" and you continue calling people "Dick Heads" without any warnings? I see the politics of this BB. PNC good; PPP bad.

I have no inhibition to call him a dick head. That fellow insists the US blew up the Trade Towers to get into the war and rob muslims of their oil. That fellow insists the US blew up the Trade Towers to get into the war and rob muslims of their oil.  and not the reality that Sunnis and Shia cannot get along and as soon as the US left...they went after each other. He claims there was no long standing struggle between the two groups when it existed since Ali. Yes...only something with out a brain can do that...ie a dick head.

Your reference is in the plural so you are definitely not speaking to me (singular).  You are referencing all Muslims/Arabs

Your fascist rantings is worse than ISIS or whoever you think that you are above.  You need to hook up with Mr. Trump or possibly ISIS to realize your dreams of mass genocide.

 

 

You are the subject of every sentence. There is no confusion there.

I think you need to look at and understand fascism or any strategy to coerce any form of authoritarianism. It addresses your habit of lying for no reason since the facts are pellucidly clear to any who care to look at them. The last sentence is simply gratuitous bull crap to make you feel good.

FM

Stormy needs to consider that Iraq's complaint in the Gulf Cooperation Council (at which the US had Observer status) were:

  1. The Saudis kept the cost of a barrel of oil at around $11 for a decade when the free market proice should have been double that. They claimed that they lost about $10 x 3,000,000 (barrels a day export) x 365 (days in a year) x 10 (years). That's hundreds of billions of US$. And the Saudis were calling in their war financing debt.
  2. Iraq shed blood to keep the Shiite threat from the Sunni Gulf States and yet the Saudis were calling in their war financing to Iraq.
  3. Kuwait was stealing Iraq's oil with slant drilling in the border areas.
  4. Kuwait was really Iraq but the British/rench machinations arbitrarily gave Kuwait to the Princely family.

 

The US had warning that Saddam would enter into Kuwait, but it was spun in the West as this big bad Saddam suddenly went into this poor little country.

Kari
Stormborn posted:
Abu Jihad posted:
Stormborn posted:
skeldon_man posted:

 

No doubt....immaculate perception...from god mouth to your ears.... What a bunch of insular dick heads.

I get suspended for "Wasted Sperm" and you continue calling people "Dick Heads" without any warnings? I see the politics of this BB. PNC good; PPP bad.

I have no inhibition to call him a dick head. That fellow insists the US blew up the Trade Towers to get into the war and rob muslims of their oil. That fellow insists the US blew up the Trade Towers to get into the war and rob muslims of their oil.  and not the reality that Sunnis and Shia cannot get along and as soon as the US left...they went after each other. He claims there was no long standing struggle between the two groups when it existed since Ali. Yes...only something with out a brain can do that...ie a dick head.

Your reference is in the plural so you are definitely not speaking to me (singular).  You are referencing all Muslims/Arabs

Your fascist rantings is worse than ISIS or whoever you think that you are above.  You need to hook up with Mr. Trump or possibly ISIS to realize your dreams of mass genocide.

 

 

You are the subject of every sentence. There is no confusion there.

 

So you are now claiming to be a dunce who lacks basic grammatical skills.

 

 

 

 

AJ

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