Back from Saudi Arabia and Egypt

skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Thanks VVP. Egypt is not that dangerous however this is the best time to visit when the tourists are not flocking and the tour guides will do everything to make you comfortable.

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Chief posted:
VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Thanks VVP. Egypt is not that dangerous however this is the best time to visit when the tourists are not flocking and the tour guides will do everything to make you comfortable.

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

 They are such honorable and saintly Muslims even though they have women completely anonymized and close to a million workers  living in what are modern slave labor camps.
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Stormborn, why do you denigrate Muslims so much?  I have seen some of your comments about Muslims on this board and I am surprised that they come from someone with such intellect.  Not all Muslims are terrorists.  Plus even if you are an atheist you are not supposed to judge anybody's religion.

VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Stormborn, why do you denigrate Muslims so much?  I have seen some of your comments about Muslims on this board and I am surprised that they come from someone with such intellect.  Not all Muslims are terrorists.  Plus even if you are an atheist you are not supposed to judge anybody's religion.

I am not denigrating them. He said there is no compulsion to religion I am just reminding him that consequently there is no compulsion to the ritual, especially one as silly as this.  

I never said all Muslims are terrorists. 

I am an atheist as he is a Muslim because we have both judged and concluded on a position. I am hoping of course his decision is rational.

 

Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

Chief posted:
VVP posted:

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

..... Egypt is not that dangerous ...

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

What's your "danger" benchmark, Iraq, Afgan, Chicago or PNC Guyana?  Then you might be correct!

Banna, your head stuck in those Wahab rear-end or the Sahara desert.  Saudi Wahab lifestyle in the scourge of the earth today.  I was even in Jordan and they despise Saudis, prefer they stay in their wahab kingdom!!

Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

Chief posted:

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.  

Chiefsta, unfortunately the Ummah lost sight of the following verse and we cannot put that burden on Stormy or any other before we rightfully put it on those within our Ummah who are guilty of it. 

وَاعْتَصِمُواْ بِحَبْلِ اللّهِ جَمِيعًا وَلاَ تَفَرَّقُواْ وَاذْكُرُواْ نِعْمَةَ اللّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ كُنتُمْ أَعْدَاء فَأَلَّفَ بَيْنَ قُلُوبِكُمْ فَأَصْبَحْتُم بِنِعْمَتِهِ إِخْوَانًا وَكُنتُمْ عَلَىَ شَفَا حُفْرَةٍ مِّنَ النَّارِ فَأَنقَذَكُم مِّنْهَا كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللّهُ لَكُمْ آيَاتِهِ لَعَلَّكُمْ تَهْتَدُونَ

Mitwah posted:

Chief, happy to know that you and your family are back safe and that you had an enjoyable time. Hope you got your darshan.

He will always be safe.  It's the Shia, Christian, Jew, Hindu, etc who need to worry!!

Chief posted:

Kaz,

I maintain that no reform is needed in Islam. The message was for then, now and until the end of time!

Are some Muslims idiots and bad people, of course. IN Every group of people YOU WILL FIND THAT.

I agree that Islam as taught by the Qur'an does not need reform. However, the Muslim world need reform. A lot of it. Until Muslims make that step, we and the religion will continue to be in our current dire position. I am a Muslim and I am sick and tired of the everyday horrible acts of my Muslim compatriots. I can only imagine how non-Muslims feel. 

Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Chief posted:

Kaz,

I maintain that no reform is needed in Islam. The message was for then, now and until the end of time!

Are some Muslims idiots and bad people, of course. IN Every group of people YOU WILL FIND THAT.

You do not seem to get it. The evil is done in the name of Islam and supposedly for Muslims. Today women and children were slaughtered by car bombs in Iraq. What for? What basis in Islam can be found for this Muslim on Muslim crime? 

These are not isolated cases of bad people but an entire region of bad people turning the soil into dust with fighting. My sister told me Aleppo was one of the most beautiful old world places she visited.  That was not 10 years ago. I will never see it nor would the rest of the world. I am told it is no more...gone...dust.

You sitting on your hands saying all is well is bull crap. You even have the nerve to comment that the migrants to europe was a good thing...spreading Islam. Well, that does not seem to be going well as no one want them and it will break europe apart.

Stormborn posted:

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Hello D2

Where is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Why the West keep supporting Military Juntas like Sisi in Egypt? Don't you think a few thousands from the 95 million Egyptians will become freedom Fighters, sorry according to you and the others Terrorists.

Muslims like myself enhance the western societies we live in because we are honest and give honest answers.

VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Women should not drive. It is liberation to follow their husband's around as he visits his wimen dem. A guy who lived in Dubai told me dat.

Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

Sorry bro, I had to put this one in. Lucifer waiting for the Madhi. For the time being, he making sure HIS persecution of HIS faithfuls is blamed on the infidels. Who just happens 2b Christians and Jews. I believe one of the Hadiths seys dat.

Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:

I do not have to say more. I noticed in a documentary of undercover police work in London among Islamist that what you said above is exactly the kind of crapola used as a recruiting tool for ISIS. The west hates islam so they create dissent in the Ummah to fragment Muslim unity!  You are exactly those who would undermine the society with lies. Worse, you believe it.

Hello D2

Where is the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?

Why the West keep supporting Military Juntas like Sisi in Egypt? Don't you think a few thousands from the 95 million Egyptians will become freedom Fighters, sorry according to you and the others Terrorists.

Muslims like myself enhance the western societies we live in because we are honest and give honest answers.

That is just another facile excuse. Remember Tariq Azise on the evening shows hinding that they did and Saddam with his sword in hand brandishing it and shouting taunts? Under the terms of the UN agreement they US had a right to go in. They broke the no fly zone and were bombing the Kurd...and Saddam was downright offensive. But all of this was an excuse.

A democracy was in place. The US turned over all the wells. They did not pay for any of the build out of roads and other infrastructure. They had an intact government and the centuries old shia/ sunni rivalry sent the country into disaster.

Again the US is the only one left to make it whole and piece by piece they are doing it all over again. Meanwhile the senseless killings of innocents continue. I am completely at peace stating it is because there is a lack of authoritative Islam from the ulema. Until they seriously get together and began to shape firm guidelines in Islam and expropriating   the obscene belief that paradise awaits those who murder innocents

Sisi is the face of abhorrent militant rulers in Islam. He was not the US first choice. They stayed away and let the people choose. They did, the brotherhood and what did those religious freaks began to do? Well Sisi was what it took to stop Egypt being another Syria.

When will Sunni Muslims accept their Shiite brothers as Muslims too?  Islam was divided from inception and it remains divided up until this day. This religion needs to grow up like Christianity and allow the State to be above religion and not vice versa. Europe disposed of all its kings and Queens and puts people's power first. Islam needs reformation or else the bloodshed and backwardness will never seized. Oil is becoming like sugar... it's possible we might witness in our lifetime oil producing nations begging for preferential market in Europe and North America.

 

Welcome back Chief. I believe Nehru missed you.

seignet posted:

Sorry bro, I had to put this one in. Lucifer waiting for the Madhi. For the time being, he making sure HIS persecution of HIS faithfuls is blamed on the infidels. Who just happens 2b Christians and Jews. I believe one of the Hadiths seys dat.

Stop listening to ISIS 

When dem boys stormed the Kaaba in 1979 even the Suadis were confused , they thought is was the real Mahdi.

 

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