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APNU’s protest continues
December 3, 2011 By admin Leave a Comment
-supporters in New Amsterdam picket


By Tiffny Rhodius and Michael Itwaru
Disgruntled supporters of the A Partnership For National Unity (APNU) continued their demonstrations against the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) demanding verification of several statements of poll and other issues relating to the conduct of Monday’s elections.

David Granger leads his supporters in the peace march to GECOM from the Square of the Revolution
On Friday, party supporters in New Amsterdam picketed the Regional Democratic Council (RDC) office, Region Six in a bid to pressure GECOM to reconcile statements of polls.
The APNU Presidential Candidate David Granger on Friday told his supporters assembled at the Square of the Revolution around 10:00h that “We are going to walk in an orderly and disciplined manner,” to GECOM.
Granger reiterated his call for a verification of the statement of polls, adding, “We do not feel that it takes three days to count 400,000 votes.” Before the march got under way, Granger promised his supporters that the APNU is committed to ensuring that the people get good leadership, governance and a better life.
“Today, we ask you to stay organised, stay mobilised, we’re not giving up, we are not going to roll over and say well the battle is over, because the struggle continues,” said Granger.
The morning heat and cluster of persons caused one supporter to faint, prompting Granger to stop his speech and asked if a medical personnel was in the gathering.
During his address, Granger promised the people that the APNU will make representations on their behalf now that the opposition holds the majority in parliament.

Police keep the demonstrators at bay
Among the things that the APNU plans to clamour for include reduction of the cost of living, increase in salaries for civil servants, better water, better roads, and a cleaner and safer city.
After addressing the gathering, Granger led them in a peace march west along Vlissengen Road and east into Lamaha Street. As the demonstrators made their way to GECOM, riot police had already cordoned off Main and Lamaha Streets. GECOM is located at Cowan Street, Kingston.
When the procession arrived, they gathered at the barricades. Some chanted “Granger” while others milled about. Minutes later, the demonstrators sat on the road. Not much was said and no one engaged the police, although a few persons were heard hurling abusive words at the police.
The supporters spent about 15 minutes at the location and were made to march back to Square of the Revolution where they were again addressed by Granger. “I’m proud of your discipline. Today you’ve shown them how disciplined you are,” a satisfied Granger said.
He promised supporters that “We are going to keep up this struggle” until half of the population of Guyana have their voices heard and their votes counted.

Police on duty
Picketing in New Amsterdam
Meanwhile, in Berbice around 13:30h, the APNU’s New Amsterdam office was a hub of activities with supporters singing spiritual songs as they prepared placards. Around 14:00h, some 30 supporters had driven to the RDC and stood silently outside holding up placards, and after about 20 minutes, they halted the exercise and proceeded to the GECOM office at Princess Elizabeth Road, New Amsterdam. At that location, the group increased to nearly 50 persons.
At this location, the police had already set up road blocks and were in place as the supporters arrived and took up positions along the roadside facing GECOM’s office. The police presence quickly built up but the supporters remained silent and peaceful holding up their placards on which were slogans calling for “poll by poll verification’.
The demonstration which started at 14:45h, ended at 16:00h. The party’s Region Six campaign manager, Dr John Austin who led the supporters affirmed that the ANPU’s head office in Georgetown had

APNU supporters demonstrating outside GECOM’s New Amsterdam office on Friday
communicated to them that the coalition won Mondays’ elections outright, and as such, the party is demanding that GECOM conducts a recheck of the statements of poll.

Supporters sitting on the road at GECOM during the protest
According to Dr Austin, who has been barred by the Guyana Medical Council from practicing, the party combed the SOPs and found some irregularities. “We are protesting the fact that a large number of votes were not accounted for in South Georgetown and this is an ANPU support area…” Dr Austin alleged that a large number of the votes from the South Georgetown area were not included in the votes declared by GECOM on Thursday.


In my opinion APNU and their supporters are being a complete jackass here. Given our historic pattern of ethnic cleavage, which sane person in their right mind would expect a better result for these discredited bunch? They should forever be grateful and thankful to the AFC for being the straw that broke the camel's back. If they continue with this nonsense, they risk forcing the PPP into a corner with no alternative but an attitude of defiance and non cooperation with the JOPP. Should this happen and Government fall prematurely, the biggest winner would be the PPP/C in any snap election because the soft support AFC gained from PPP constituenies in these elections would be spooked right back to their base, just as what happened with the AFC supports that was poached from PNC in 2006 that went straight back to APNU here.

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Originally posted by Mara:
In my opinion APNU and their supporters are being a complete jackass here. Given our historic pattern of ethnic cleavage, which sane person in their right mind would expect a better result for these discredited bunch? They should forever be grateful and thankful to the AFC for being the straw that broke the camel's back. If they continue with this nonsense, they risk forcing the PPP into a corner with no alternative but an attitude of defiance and non cooperation with the JOPP. Should this happen and Government fall prematurely, the biggest winner would be the PPP/C in any snap election because the soft support AFC gained from PPP constituenies in these elections would be spooked right back to their base, just as what happened with the AFC supports that was poached from PNC in 2006 that went straight back to APNU here.[/b]

Mara, which corner will you be in if the Gov't falls "prematurely" bai??

PPP or AFC . . .?
FM
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Originally posted by TI:
Is this continuing today?


It is and it started from near to where the President was sworn in.

They were like zombies parading all over Georgetown causing businesses to pull their shutters down. Like lunatics they were shouting "Granger for President"

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FM
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Originally posted by raymond:
ayuh stopped being scared of black people marching...


Ray when you try to go to a Restaurant with Friends For Lunch, and you met with the owners the pulling their shutters down.....relating that goons are marching and they do not want to take chances, make you believe that the PNC no matter what names they changed to.....will always be destructive.

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FM
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by Mara:
In my opinion APNU and their supporters are being a complete jackass here. Given our historic pattern of ethnic cleavage, which sane person in their right mind would expect a better result for these discredited bunch? They should forever be grateful and thankful to the AFC for being the straw that broke the camel's back. If they continue with this nonsense, they risk forcing the PPP into a corner with no alternative but an attitude of defiance and non cooperation with the JOPP. Should this happen and Government fall prematurely, the biggest winner would be the PPP/C in any snap election because the soft support AFC gained from PPP constituenies in these elections would be spooked right back to their base, just as what happened with the AFC supports that was poached from PNC in 2006 that went straight back to APNU here.[/b]


Mara, which corner will you be in if the Gov't falls "prematurely" bai??

PPP or AFC . . .?


I believe anyone with a clear conscience and a sense of decency would still be repulsed by what the current cabal in the PPP represent and would and should stick with the AFC for the long haul. After all it would be a cold day in hell or a cauldron in heaven before APNU/ PNC would top 45% much less 50%+ in any free & fair elections. Having said that, I can visualize the type of campaigns both the PPP and APNU would run in any snap election and I would bet the fowl pen , some caca belly and the dankey cart what the outcome would be.
FM
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Originally posted by Mara:
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by Mara:
In my opinion APNU and their supporters are being a complete jackass here. Given our historic pattern of ethnic cleavage, which sane person in their right mind would expect a better result for these discredited bunch? They should forever be grateful and thankful to the AFC for being the straw that broke the camel's back. If they continue with this nonsense, they risk forcing the PPP into a corner with no alternative but an attitude of defiance and non cooperation with the JOPP. Should this happen and Government fall prematurely, the biggest winner would be the PPP/C in any snap election because the soft support AFC gained from PPP constituenies in these elections would be spooked right back to their base, just as what happened with the AFC supports that was poached from PNC in 2006 that went straight back to APNU here.[/b]


Mara, which corner will you be in if the Gov't falls "prematurely" bai??

PPP or AFC . . .?


I believe anyone with a clear conscience and a sense of decency would still be repulsed by what the current cabal in the PPP represent and would and should stick with the AFC for the long haul. After all it would be a cold day in hell or a cauldron in heaven before APNU/ PNC would top 45% much less 50%+ in any free & fair elections. Having said that, I can visualize the type of campaigns both the PPP and APNU would run in any snap election and I would bet the fowl pen , some caca belly and the dankey cart what the outcome would be.
Ae cannot h ave a snap elections. There will be violence. First APNU will want GECOM head fired. A replacement is not possible in that short time. He ought to be fired promptly with the sitting of parliament because he made what was simple a great big mess.
FM
Let the new government do its job and stop harping over what is the past now. People are so damn crabby.

Apparently a bunch of overseas based Guyanese who has no residency status in Guyana went back for holidays and voted for AFC. So much for honesty and fair election.
FM
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Originally posted by JT:
Let the new government do its job and stop harping over what is the past now. People are so damn crabby.

Apparently a bunch of overseas based Guyanese who has no residency status in Guyana went back for holidays and voted for AFC. So much for honesty and fair election.
Indeed they have a job to do and much of it involves unmaking PPPinc. They will have to deconstruct their patronage systems, their lack of transparency their non compliance with constitutional demands that parliament be informed of all decision making with respect to the country's resources. Alas, the have a really steep slope to transform into a gentle gradient. They are getting the back end of their thievery.
FM
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Originally posted by asj:
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Originally posted by TI:
Is this continuing today?


It is and it started from near to where the President was sworn in.

They were like zombies parading all over Georgetown causing businesses to pull their shutters down. Like lunatics they were shouting "Granger for President".

they will soon go home, need to work and feed the kids sometime. Time to move on.
FM
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Granger reiterated his call for a verification of the statement of polls, adding, “We do not feel that it takes three days to count 400,000 votes.”


Granger must know given in the PNC days the result was determined even before the elections. They didn't need three days. Actually they didn't need any days ay all.
FM
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Originally posted by ksazma:
Granger must know given in the PNC days the result was determined even before the elections. They didn't need three days. Actually they didn't need any days ay all.

What is your point?
FM
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Originally posted by D2:
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Originally posted by Mara:
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by Mara:
In my opinion APNU and their supporters are being a complete jackass here. Given our historic pattern of ethnic cleavage, which sane person in their right mind would expect a better result for these discredited bunch? They should forever be grateful and thankful to the AFC for being the straw that broke the camel's back. If they continue with this nonsense, they risk forcing the PPP into a corner with no alternative but an attitude of defiance and non cooperation with the JOPP. Should this happen and Government fall prematurely, the biggest winner would be the PPP/C in any snap election because the soft support AFC gained from PPP constituenies in these elections would be spooked right back to their base, just as what happened with the AFC supports that was poached from PNC in 2006 that went straight back to APNU here.[/b]


Mara, which corner will you be in if the Gov't falls "prematurely" bai??

PPP or AFC . . .?


I believe anyone with a clear conscience and a sense of decency would still be repulsed by what the current cabal in the PPP represent and would and should stick with the AFC for the long haul. After all it would be a cold day in hell or a cauldron in heaven before APNU/ PNC would top 45% much less 50%+ in any free & fair elections. Having said that, I can visualize the type of campaigns both the PPP and APNU would run in any snap election and I would bet the fowl pen , some caca belly and the dankey cart what the outcome would be.


Ae cannot h ave a snap elections. There will be violence. First APNU will want GECOM head fired. A replacement is not possible in that short time. He ought to be fired promptly with the sitting of parliament because he made what was simple a great big mess.


I can understand and appreciate the criticism of GECOM but having had the privilege of observing from close quarters in 1997 and knowing of some of the skullduggery employed then by those hell bent on perverting the system, I can also understand and relate to GECOM's delima. Regarding GECOM and Surajbally's delayed announcement of the results, I would say it is a case of dammed if you do or dammed if you don't . Had they announce prompt preliminary results without crossing the Ts & dotting the I's and proper tabulation of all SOP, I have absolutely no doubt that APNU and their acolytes would find other excuses to create chaos & pervert the system. The did it in 1992 and failed. The did it successfully in 1997. They did it in 2001 and failed again, even with their ferocious dogs of war unleashed and the only reason they did not try in 2006 was the excuses were running thin & familiar and the trashing at the poll was overwhelming.
FM
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by ksazma:
Granger must know given in the PNC days the result was determined even before the elections. They didn't need three days. Actually they didn't need any days ay all.

What is your point?


My point is that there is no compelling evidence that the elections were rigged. There were representatives from each party and they all could have photographed these SOP with their camera or cell phones and I have to believe they all did preserve the information in some form given our communications capabilities nowadays. This is not the 70s when people had to type up a stensil and run copies off a gestetner machine. I believe the delay had more to do with the closeness of the counts and not incompetence to issue the final result. Him using the elepsed three days to question what he should have already known is irresponsible and it gave us a glimpse of the old PNC bullyism ways and to me that is frightening. I like the current makeup because no doube there are more PPP supporters than PNC ones and the government is balance. The AFC has the greatest and most coveted role in this makeup because they will be able to use their margin to keep the other sides honest. Make no mistake about it, Guyana has again shown that it is mostly a two party society but if only two parties exist, the people will get screwed. And fortunately the people running the AFC seem more decent than all those hundred and one parties that sprung up before the 1992 elections.
FM
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Originally posted by ksazma:
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by ksazma:
Granger must know given in the PNC days the result was determined even before the elections. They didn't need three days. Actually they didn't need any days ay all.

What is your point?


My point is that there is no compelling evidence that the elections were rigged . . .

Then you should have said so in the first place.
FM
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Originally posted by Mara:
I can understand and appreciate the criticism of GECOM but having had the privilege of observing from close quarters in 1997 and knowing of some of the skullduggery employed then by those hell bent on perverting the system, I can also understand and relate to GECOM's delima. Regarding GECOM and Surajbally's delayed announcement of the results, I would say it is a case of dammed if you do or dammed if you don't . Had they announce prompt preliminary results without crossing the Ts & dotting the I's and proper tabulation of all SOP, I have absolutely no doubt that APNU and their acolytes would find other excuses to create chaos & pervert the system. The did it in 1992 and failed. The did it successfully in 1997. They did it in 2001 and failed again, even with their ferocious dogs of war unleashed and the only reason they did not try in 2006 was the excuses were running thin & familiar and the trashing at the poll was overwhelming.

You can talk all you want about 1992, 1997, even 1973. Fact remains that reasonable people agree that there was skullduggery in 2011 . . . To what end, I do not know; but GECOM did not acquit itself creditably, and did nothing to disabuse the impression that it was a handmaiden to the ruling party.

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.
FM
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Originally posted by redux:

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.


What exactly Surujbally did wrong? Are you saying he should have rigged the elections in APNU's favor and then all would have been well in your books?
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by redux:

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.


What exactly Surujbally did wrong? Are you saying he should have rigged the elections in APNU's favor and then all would have been well in your books?

Stop your foolishness. GECOM's 'maladmistration' and unprofessionalism in delivering on its mandate for Elections 2011 is well documented . . . look it up!

Surujbally initially compromised himself by negotiating with Jagdeo for another high paying, no-show job, and only backed down when the appointment was found to be likely unconstitutional.

You need more . . .?
FM
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by redux:

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.



What exactly Surujbally did wrong? Are you saying he should have rigged the elections in APNU's favor and then all would have been well in your books?

Stop your foolishness. GECOM's 'maladmistration' and unprofessionalism in delivering on its mandate for Elections 2011 is well documented . . . look it up!

Surujbally initially compromised himself by negotiating with Jagdeo for another high paying, no-show job, and only backed down when the appointment was found to be likely unconstitutional.

You need more . . .?



More vague mumbo jumbo. Come on, articulate exactly what he did wrong.
FM
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
More vague mumbo jumbo. Come on, articulate exactly what he did wrong.

You are asking me to detail what was/is readily available in the Guyana Press (and on GNI) these past 5 days for your pleasure?

Are you out of your F*****g mind!?

I wrote about his aborted "appointment" to the no-show job (mumbo jumbo?) - smartly ignored by U; now you want me to make APNU's case on GNI . . . really now?!

That's 'clever' but not clever enough to make me waste my time.
FM
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Originally posted by redux:
I wrote about his aborted "appointment" to the no-show job (mumbo jumbo?) - smartly ignored by U; now you want me to make APNU's case on GNI . . . really now?!
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Politically it is incredibly "ill-advised" for the APNU to endorse these protests by their fringe elements. In the court of public opinion, these "protests" make headlines all around the world. They should have accepted the results, been gracious and attended the swearing in of the President of our Republic and met with the AFC as to how they will wrest the majority vote from the PPP/C within the next 3-5 years. Every other point is trivial and further diminishes their reputation aboard as the biggest stakeholder in the Government.
FM
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Originally posted by Vish M:
I understand that GT is still shut-down.

Why?


The only good reason that I can think of is the the PNC and their goons is hoping to get an opportunity to loot and then burn Indo businesses. The same might continue next week, where someone migh snap and start the ball rolling.

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FM
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Originally posted by Mara:
After all it would be a cold day in hell or a cauldron in heaven before APNU/ PNC would top 45% much less 50%+ in any free & fair elections.


Here is how they can secure a victory in a snap elections, assuming there is no coalition government.

1. Appoint Nagamotoo as the Speak of the House. He has proven that he can connect with the discontented PPP/C voters. His sole agenda as speaker will be to draw contrast between the opposition and the governing party.

2. Continue the brilliant strategy by Joseph Harmon and the APNU of re branding the opposition.

3. Establish a joint agenda between the AFC and the APNU, in case any snap elections. This should specify that they will form a coalition party if a "no-confidence" is brought to the floor.

4. Establish a joint Legislative agenda between the parties to be spearheaded by Granger, Roopnaraine and Trotman. This should be promoted through their media interest.

5. Wait on a scandal to break out within the Government in years 3, or 4. The element of surprise will render the financial advantage of the PPP/C ineffective, since they will spend most of their budget on addressing the "scandal" than negative ads against the opposition.

6. Lastly, set on a party ticket that is not traditional for opposition. A Khemraj/Harmon ticket would secure 51% if all preceding points are followed.
FM
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by Mara:
I can understand and appreciate the criticism of GECOM but having had the privilege of observing from close quarters in 1997 and knowing of some of the skullduggery employed then by those hell bent on perverting the system, I can also understand and relate to GECOM's delima. Regarding GECOM and Surajbally's delayed announcement of the results, I would say it is a case of dammed if you do or dammed if you don't . Had they announce prompt preliminary results without crossing the Ts & dotting the I's and proper tabulation of all SOP, I have absolutely no doubt that APNU and their acolytes would find other excuses to create chaos & pervert the system. The did it in 1992 and failed. The did it successfully in 1997. They did it in 2001 and failed again, even with their ferocious dogs of war unleashed and the only reason they did not try in 2006 was the excuses were running thin & familiar and the trashing at the poll was overwhelming.


You can talk all you want about 1992, 1997, even 1973. Fact remains that reasonable people agree that there was skullduggery in 2011 . . . To what end, I do not know; but GECOM did not acquit itself creditably, and did nothing to disabuse the impression that it was a handmaiden to the ruling party.

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.


I did not reference 1973 so it must be a slip up on your part on what results those "reasonable people" find acceptable. And if your definition of "reasonable people" are confined to those within APNU/PNC then you are absolutely correct.

GECOM can only be as good as its weakest link and perfect examples of those weakness reveal itself in 1997 when some returning officers in Region 4 refused to sign SOP and again in 2011 when one Returning Officer at Eversham Corentyne was immediately fired for handing out 'Tendered Ballots' voters. It is a sad indictment on our character to have outsiders supervising us like uncivilized beast or petulant kids but our sordid history at elections it may be necessary regressive step to address & dispel doubts at these elections.
FM
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Originally posted by Mara:
. . . It is a sad indictment on our character to have outsiders supervising us like uncivilized beast or petulant kids but our sordid history at elections it may be necessary regressive step to address & dispel doubts at these elections.

You have summarized my thoughts perfectly in your final ¶ . . . we therefore have no real disagreement on the way forward.

* BTW, I threw in "1973" [only] as an extreme example of PNC skullduggery.
FM
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Originally posted by BK2BERLIN:
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Originally posted by Mara:
After all it would be a cold day in hell or a cauldron in heaven before APNU/ PNC would top 45% much less 50%+ in any free & fair elections.


Here is how they can secure a victory in a snap elections, assuming there is no coalition government.

1. Appoint Nagamotoo as the Speak of the House. He has proven that he can connect with the discontented PPP/C voters. His sole agenda as speaker will be to draw contrast between the opposition and the governing party.

2. Continue the brilliant strategy by Joseph Harmon and the APNU of re branding the opposition.

3. Establish a joint agenda between the AFC and the APNU, in case any snap elections. This should specify that they will form a coalition party if a "no-confidence" is brought to the floor.

4. Establish a joint Legislative agenda between the parties to be spearheaded by Granger, Roopnaraine and Trotman. This should be promoted through their media interest.

5. Wait on a scandal to break out within the Government in years 3, or 4. The element of surprise will render the financial advantage of the PPP/C ineffective, since they will spend most of their budget on addressing the "scandal" than negative ads against the opposition.

6. Lastly, set on a party ticket that is not traditional for opposition. A Khemraj/Harmon ticket would secure 51% if all preceding points are followed.


Perhaps not such a bad strategy overall. However I believe it would be inappropriate for for Nagamottoo or any speaker to have an " agenda to draw contrast between the opposition and the governing party". The role of the Speaker is one of neutrality and impartiality. Secondly any "joint agenda between the AFC and the APNU"m or the slightest perception of any such agenda would come at a tremendous cost to AFC. For the AFC to be relevant as a counter balance between the two braying jackasses, it has to stick firmly to its principles of "CHANGE" and at all time having the peoples interest at heart. Fairness, justice and equity guided by a clear conscience should be their watch word.
FM
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Originally posted by Mara:
. . . For the AFC to be relevant as a counter balance between the two braying jackasses, it has to stick firmly to its principles of "CHANGE" and at all time having the peoples interest at heart. Fairness, justice and equity guided by a clear conscience should be their watch word.

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FM
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
More vague mumbo jumbo. Come on, articulate exactly what he did wrong.

You are asking me to detail what was/is readily available in the Guyana Press (and on GNI) these past 5 days for your pleasure?

Are you out of your F*****g mind!?

I wrote about his aborted "appointment" to the no-show job (mumbo jumbo?) - smartly ignored by U; now you want me to make APNU's case on GNI . . . really now?!

That's 'clever' but not clever enough to make me waste my time.


Indeed you have no case to make as I see, tell us what he did wrong during the elections not dubious old time store that predates the elections. The votes were counted in front of representatives from each party, where requested for valid reasons, recounts were done. What did he do wrong, being meticulous is not a bad trait.
FM
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by redux:

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.


What exactly Surujbally did wrong? Are you saying he should have rigged the elections in APNU's favor and then all would have been well in your books?

Stop your foolishness. GECOM's 'maladmistration' and unprofessionalism in delivering on its mandate for Elections 2011 is well documented . . . look it up!

Surujbally initially compromised himself by negotiating with Jagdeo for another high paying, no-show job, and only backed down when the appointment was found to be likely unconstitutional.

You need more . . .?

Isn't this bottom-feeding politics? Fact is, counting was done at polling stations, process, ink etc were available for opposition to sign-off well PRIOR to Nov 28th. What we have now is a run for thelowest common denominator to score points and make mountains out of mold hills. I'm surprised some members of the AFC happily carrying to APNU/PNC crap-shoot banner, throw and let's see what sticks. Fact is the PPP is now a minority Govt, a major new political reality, fact is, even with any issues, 10 point lead is unsurmountable, fact is the international community is satified, fact is the PPP will form the Govt according to the constitution. Now we blaming GECOM for our (AFC and PNC) collective failures.

Oh, I must "go home", well I have always been at home with my values and principles. Truth is I wished AFC had taken more votes from BOTH constituencies, but so be it, the people have spoken and the constitution is being upheld and we now have a shackeled PPP which now must compromise and be mindful of the speed bumps and traffic lights. This is all a product of the AFC, not the APNU. Short of an outright AFC victory, this is the second best outcome for Guyana.
FM
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Originally posted by baseman:
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Originally posted by redux:
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Originally posted by BGurd_See:
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Originally posted by redux:

I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.


What exactly Surujbally did wrong? Are you saying he should have rigged the elections in APNU's favor and then all would have been well in your books?

Stop your foolishness. GECOM's 'maladmistration' and unprofessionalism in delivering on its mandate for Elections 2011 is well documented . . . look it up!

Surujbally initially compromised himself by negotiating with Jagdeo for another high paying, no-show job, and only backed down when the appointment was found to be likely unconstitutional.

You need more . . .?

Isn't this bottom-feeding politics? Fact is, counting was done at polling stations, process, ink etc were available for opposition to sign-off well PRIOR to Nov 28th. What we have now is a run for thelowest common denominator to score points and make mountains out of mold hills. I'm surprised some members of the AFC happily carrying to APNU/PNC crap-shoot banner, throw and let's see what sticks. Fact is the PPP is now a minority Govt, a major new political reality, fact is, even with any issues, 10 point lead is unsurmountable, fact is the international community is satified, fact is the PPP will form the Govt according to the constitution. Now we blaming GECOM for our (AFC and PNC) collective failures.

Oh, I must "go home", well I have always been at home with my values and principles. Truth is I wished AFC had taken more votes from BOTH constituencies, but so be it, the people have spoken and the constitution is being upheld and we now have a shackeled PPP which now must compromise and be mindful of the speed bumps and traffic lights. This is all a product of the AFC, not the APNU. Short of an outright AFC victory, this is the second best outcome for Guyana.

Your anger is misplaced!

I am on the record elsewhere on GNI acknowledging that GECOM’s 'lapses' and reputed 'collaboration' with the PPP to massage the ballot numbers could not be dispositive [putting APNU in the lead . . . that is] under any scenario that reasonable people can envisage.

Fact is that Surujbally & Co. need to understand that a majority of Guyanese DO NOT TRUST the PPP and, with the stakes being this high, rational thinkers recognize that they would pursue ANY avenue available to retain unencumbered power.

Therefore, [at the very least, the APPEARANCE of] impartiality by GECOM should have been a sine qua non . . . They failed to convince the people of this! Surujbally stupidly set the ball rolling downhill early with the no-show job imbroglio.

I have heard enough in the press and from sources close to the action to conclude that an effort was made to massage the poll numbers via recount to tip the PPP over 50% [The inability of the EAB observers to receive SOPs from GECOM days after the election, large numbers of missing SOPs that were only 'found' after a huge stink was made, and related issues . . .]

This is existential for the tiefmen assoiates of PPP Inc., OK . . .

So stop pretending that you are some kind of naïf!

*BTW, what objections could you possibly have to my suggestion of Int'l supervision for the next election?
FM
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. . . For the AFC to be relevant as a counter balance between the two braying jackasses, it has to stick firmly to its principles of "CHANGE" and at all time having the peoples interest at heart. Fairness, justice and equity guided by a clear conscience should be their watch word.

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I suggest that Surujbally, Boodhoo and all the other arrogant bums in charge be fired. We should then petition to have some UN/OAS/Caricom agency supervise the next election.


What exactly Surujbally did wrong? Are you saying he should have rigged the elections in APNU's favor and then all would have been well in your books?

Stop your foolishness. GECOM's 'maladmistration' and unprofessionalism in delivering on its mandate for Elections 2011 is well documented . . . look it up!

Surujbally initially compromised himself by negotiating with Jagdeo for another high paying, no-show job, and only backed down when the appointment was found to be likely unconstitutional.

You need more . . .?

Isn't this bottom-feeding politics? Fact is, counting was done at polling stations, process, ink etc were available for opposition to sign-off well PRIOR to Nov 28th. What we have now is a run for thelowest common denominator to score points and make mountains out of mold hills. I'm surprised some members of the AFC happily carrying to APNU/PNC crap-shoot banner, throw and let's see what sticks. Fact is the PPP is now a minority Govt, a major new political reality, fact is, even with any issues, 10 point lead is unsurmountable, fact is the international community is satified, fact is the PPP will form the Govt according to the constitution. Now we blaming GECOM for our (AFC and PNC) collective failures.

Oh, I must "go home", well I have always been at home with my values and principles. Truth is I wished AFC had taken more votes from BOTH constituencies, but so be it, the people have spoken and the constitution is being upheld and we now have a shackeled PPP which now must compromise and be mindful of the speed bumps and traffic lights. This is all a product of the AFC, not the APNU. Short of an outright AFC victory, this is the second best outcome for Guyana.

Your anger is misplaced!

I am on the record elsewhere on GNI acknowledging that GECOM’s 'lapses' and reputed 'collaboration' with the PPP to massage the ballot numbers could not be dispositive [putting APNU in the lead . . . that is] under any scenario that reasonable people can envisage.

Fact is that Surujbally & Co. need to understand that a majority of Guyanese DO NOT TRUST the PPP and, with the stakes being this high, rational thinkers recognize that they would pursue ANY avenue available to retain unencumbered power.

Therefore, [at the very least, the APPEARANCE of] impartiality by GECOM should have been a sine qua non . . . They failed to convince the people of this! Surujbally stupidly set the ball rolling downhill early with the no-show job imbroglio.

I have heard enough in the press and from sources close to the action to conclude that an effort was made to massage the poll numbers via recount to tip the PPP over 50% [The inability of the EAB observers to receive SOPs from GECOM days after the election, large numbers of missing SOPs that were only 'found' after a huge stink was made, and related issues . . .]

This is existential for the tiefmen assoiates of PPP Inc., OK . . .

So stop pretending that you are some kind of naïf!

*BTW, what objections could you possibly have to my suggestion of Int'l supervision for the next election?

I'm not angry in anyway, I'm happy with the results as they stand, it's the second best possible outcome, short of an full AFC victory. I'm just not happy with the "goonish" attitude adopted by some AFCites who sounding like APNU/PNCites.

I don't care about int'l supervision, was that ever a topic of discussion? I doubt you will get any support as the Int'l community seems very contented with the outcome. I think you barking at a parked car bai.
FM
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I'm not angry in anyway, I'm happy with the results as they stand, it's the second best possible outcome, short of an full AFC victory. I'm just not happy with the "goonish" attitude adopted by some AFCites who sounding like APNU/PNCites.

I don't care about int'l supervision, was that ever a topic of discussion? I doubt you will get any support as the Int'l community seems very contented with the outcome. I think you barking at a parked car bai.

I don't know what "goonish" attitudes you are talking about . . . I'm happy with the results myself.

However, I take offense at your characterization of AFC 'supporters' who question Surujbally/GECOM's conduct as "APNU/PNCites" . . . that is race-coded, cheap demagoguery, and does you no credit!!

My call for Int'l observers is an INDICTMENT of the new PPP who have done little to garner the trust of fair minded people these past dozen years . . . I am aware that this cannot happen without consent of the Gov't. It would require a gesture for promotion of goodwill in the nation that the 'entitled' PPP and their arrogant apologists are incapable of making.

You know the depths of depravity that the PPP have plumbed . . . why would anyone trust them?
FM

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