Jagdeo is a “a waste” and “a relic”- says Trotman during Petroleum Commission Bill debate

Jagdeo is a “a waste” and “a relic”- says Trotman during Petroleum Commission Bill debate

 

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo (background) and Minister of Natural Resources, Raphael Trotman jostled each other to contribute to the debate on the Petroleum Commission of Guyana Bill.

Opposition Leader, Bharrat Jagdeo’s boast that his People’s Progressive Party Civic (PPPC)-administration is responsible for Guyana becoming an oil-producing nation, and suggestion that the two-year old coalition administration should set up the Norway-model Sovereign Wealth Fund sparked off Minister of Natural Resources, Raphael Trotman labelling him a “waste.”

Jagdeo called on government to swiftly enact legislation that would pave the way for the establishment of a Sovereign Wealth Fund, saying the Norway approach is best for Guyana to manage and save large inflows pf oil revenues. “That’s why a Sovereign Wealth Fund of the Norwegian type model, not a Trinidad and Tobago model, should be established and brought to this House urgently to ensure that we can manage those resources well,” he said.

However, the Minister of Natural Resources told Jagdeo that his suggested model for the fund is outdated. “Mr. Speaker, all those who lecture about Norwegian models obviously are in the dark ages because the new literature says that the Norway model cannot apply to countries that are developing like Guyana. Do some new reading. You are in the past. You are in the past, You are a relic. You are a relic. Your time has past, you are irrelevant and your time is up” said Trotman.

Just before Jagdeo concluded his contribution to the debate on the Petroleum Commission Bill, he remarked that the APNU+AFC coalition administration would lose the next general elections due in another three years. “By bye 2020,” said the former President who many believe has his eyes set on the presidency again if the Caribbean Court of Justice upholds a Guyana Court of Appeal ruling that a two-term presidential term limit is unconstitutional.

But Trotman later retorted: “Mr Speaker, the Opposition Leader has to remember he is in the Opposition and has to remain in the Opposition….We will not be lectured by the Leader of the Opposition on good governance; anybody else…never, never, never”

The Opposition Leader and the Minister of Natural Resources also tangled over the attraction of major investments to Guyana during the past two years, with Jagdeo saying that it was the PPP that not only brought ExxonMobil to Guyana but also two major gold producers that today contribute to the country’s revenue.

“You are not the initiators, the creators of this industry. You now have been given temporary stewardship over the industry and so I would urge you to be constantly reminded that so far we have seen a lot of talk about gold production and largely because of the efforts of the People’s Progressive Party and the new people who were brought in here so I am glad that this government is so excited by these sectors given the efforts of the People’s Progressive Party government; they should really be thankful,” Jagdeo told the House.

He added that the Opposition was not jealous or envious about the oil industry, but was “worried about incompetence” that would lead to the oil earnings being squandered by government.

Trotman, in wrapping up debate, vowed that he would not allow himself to be lectured by Jagdeo, whose tenure as President from 1999 to 2011, had been characterised by drug money and corruption and several failed projects like the US$200 million Skeldon Sugar Factory, Marriott Hotel as well as the Berbice River Bridge, and the National Insurance Scheme. “Every sector that he touched is down because of him,” he said. “You could say whatever, you are failure. You are a failure. That is why you are sitting there because you failed, that is why you sitting over there. You failed.”

The Minister of Natural Resources slammed Jagdeo for “grazing which ended in the gutter” and later cautioned him by implication against doing so again. “Some of us should not go about grazing because they are dirtying themselves and they are smelling bad,” he said

The Petroleum Commission of Guyana Bill has been sent to a bipartisan parliamentary select committee. The Board of the regulatory semi-autonomous body will include a representative each from the opposition and civil society.

When the Petroleum Commission is established, it will take over all responsibilities for the petroleum sector from the Guyana Geology and Mines Commission.

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Trotman, in wrapping up debate, vowed that he would not allow himself to be lectured by Jagdeo, whose tenure as President from 1999 to 2011, had been characterised by drug money and corruption and several failed projects like:

  • The US$200 million Skeldon Sugar Factory,

  • Marriott Hotel

  • The Berbice River Bridge

  • The National Insurance Scheme.

 

“Every sector that he touched is down because of him,” he said. “You could say whatever, you are a failure. You are a failure. That is why you are sitting there because you failed, that is why you sitting over there. You failed.”

Trotman later retorted: “Mr Speaker, the Opposition Leader has to remember he is in the Opposition and has to remain in the Opposition….We will not be lectured by the Leader of the Opposition on good governance; anybody else…never, never, never”

Raphael Trotman labeling him a “waste.”

No wonder the country is all messed up. These grown, professional men behave as if they are juveniles taunting each other. Is this the example they are setting for the younger generation? Siggy is right. Guyana needs an earthquake at the spot where parliament is and when it's in session. Throw these all these human waste("FECES") out.

ba$eman posted:

The rel relics are sitting in the PNC/AFC Govt hierarchy!

I will support a new Third Force composed of some bright young stalwarts. Too many old farts in parliament. The third force may not win the election. They might be able to secure enough seats to hold the balance of power.

Mitwah posted:
ba$eman posted:

The rel relics are sitting in the PNC/AFC Govt hierarchy!

I will support a new Third Force composed of some bright young stalwarts. Too many old farts in parliament. The third force may not win the election. They might be able to secure enough seats to hold the balance of power.

To make a 3rd force relevant, Guyana needs constitutional reform which allows parties to run independently, score in the electorate, then decide if they want to join forces and form a Govt.  They should also be free to "walk" if they feel their interests are not being served.

The PPP and PNC will be the top dogs for some time, but a constitutional reform will give the "tail" the weight to wag the dog!

Under the current model, the AFC has been digested and shitted out be the PNC!  They are now, little more than horse manure!

Mitwah posted:

Trotman, in wrapping up debate, vowed that he would not allow himself to be lectured by Jagdeo, whose tenure as President from 1999 to 2011, had been characterised by drug money and corruption and several failed projects like:

  • The US$200 million Skeldon Sugar Factory,

  • Marriott Hotel

  • The Berbice River Bridge

  • The National Insurance Scheme.

 

“Every sector that he touched is down because of him,” he said. “You could say whatever, you are a failure. You are a failure. That is why you are sitting there because you failed, that is why you sitting over there. You failed.”

Yes, Trotty!!!! Bravo. 

Trotty has a point, however the PNC/AFC promised improvement but the country is going backwards instead. These jackasses in power must be held accountable for their promises, it is inexcusable to keep blaming their failures on the PPP. The jackasses are in power now, they must own the demise of the economy. 

FC posted:
Mitwah posted:

Trotman, in wrapping up debate, vowed that he would not allow himself to be lectured by Jagdeo, whose tenure as President from 1999 to 2011, had been characterised by drug money and corruption and several failed projects like:

  • The US$200 million Skeldon Sugar Factory,

  • Marriott Hotel

  • The Berbice River Bridge

  • The National Insurance Scheme.

 

“Every sector that he touched is down because of him,” he said. “You could say whatever, you are a failure. You are a failure. That is why you are sitting there because you failed, that is why you sitting over there. You failed.”

Yes, Trotty!!!! Bravo. 

Way to go Trotty...you da man!

The Speaker Mr. Scotland spoke about relevance to Nigel Dharamalal and that same principle applies to Trotman.

 

But as we can see the Speaker is openly bias against the PPP because Trotman's comment was irrelevant to the debate.

 

REPETITION AND RELEVANCE IN DEBATE

 

The rules of relevance and repetition [184]  are intertwined and mutually reinforcing. The requirement of relevance is necessary in order that the House might exercise its right to reach a decision and to exclude from debate any discussion which does not contribute to that process. The rule against repetition ensures that once all that is relevant to the debate has been presented, the question will be determined once and for all, at least during the current session. To have one rule without the other would seriously limit the ability of the House to use its time efficiently.

The rules respecting relevance and repetition are somewhat difficult to define and enforce. The rule against repetition can be invoked by the Speaker to prevent a Member from repeating arguments already made in the debate by other Members or the same Member. [185]  The rule of relevance, on the other hand, is used to keep a Member from straying from the question before the House or committee. It is not always possible to judge the relevance (or the repetition) of a Member’s remarks until he or she has made some progress in or completed his or her remarks. [186]  In practice, the Speaker allows some latitude— if the rules are applied too rigidly, they have the potential for severely curtailing debate; if applied too loosely and precious debating time is lost, they may prevent other Members from participating in debate. Individual circumstances, the mood of the House and the relative importance of the subject of debate will influence how strictly the Speaker interprets these rules.

In exercising the power to maintain the rules against irrelevance and repetition, the Speaker can call a Member to order and, if necessary, warn the Member that he or she risks being directed to discontinue his or her speech. Such warnings are usually sufficient. However, should the Member continue being irrelevant or repetitious, the Speaker can proceed to recognize another Member or, if no other Member wishes to speak, to put the question. In the event that the Member should disregard the Speaker’s instruction or direction, the Speaker has the authority to “name” the Member. 

 

source:  Canadian Parliament.

Nehru posted:

Yes Drugb but when you have FILTH HEAD ASS HOLE like FC, there is not much that can be done except that he is the only DUMB JACKASS!!!

Bhai, If/when I sneeze personal attacks like this or even of a lesser nature, Riff is ready to ban me. How are you able to get away with it?

Happy father's day.

Mitwah posted:
Nehru posted:

Yes Drugb but when you have FILTH HEAD ASS HOLE like FC, there is not much that can be done except that he is the only DUMB JACKASS!!!

Bhai, If/when I sneeze personal attacks like this or even of a lesser nature, Riff is ready to ban me. How are you able to get away with it?

Happy father's day.

it's not personal as he refers to their handle and gives his opinion on their posts.  He does not make up personal stories and lies on their personal lives.

You have an acute logic problem with this!

ba$eman posted:
Mitwah posted:
Nehru posted:

Yes Drugb but when you have FILTH HEAD ASS HOLE like FC, there is not much that can be done except that he is the only DUMB JACKASS!!!

Bhai, If/when I sneeze personal attacks like this or even of a lesser nature, Riff is ready to ban me. How are you able to get away with it?

Happy father's day.

it's not personal as he refers to their handle and gives his opinion on their posts.  He does not make up personal stories and lies on their personal lives.

You have an acute logic problem with this!

What value is added? Happy father's day.

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